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| jelkner | Good afternoon comrade anthony_p! | 20:00 |
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| anthony_p | good afternoon @jelkner | 20:02 |
| anthony_p | good afternoon klarios | 20:03 |
| klarios | hi all, sorry Im a bit late | 20:03 |
| klarios | good afternoon jelkner | 20:03 |
| jelkner | Good afternoon klarios! | 20:03 |
| klarios | do we know if johan will be able to make it? | 20:03 |
| jelkner | So great to see you. | 20:03 |
| anthony_p | all good | 20:03 |
| klarios | thank you! happy chinese new year! haha its pretty lively in my campus right now | 20:03 |
| jelkner | klarios, blu just showed up | 20:04 |
| anthony_p | not sure, i sent him an email earlier in the week after i figured out and updated the test decidim server to the latest version despite the errors, but never heard back from him | 20:04 |
| jelkner | students didn't have school today | 20:04 |
| klarios | hello blu! | 20:04 |
| anthony_p | hello blu | 20:04 |
| klarios | ahh i see | 20:04 |
| jelkner | i don't know how that will impact attendance here this evening | 20:05 |
| klarios | I dont have any of his other contact information. We should get that next time | 20:05 |
| blu | hi! | 20:05 |
| jelkner | i'm sure you're getting tired of my flood of emails | 20:05 |
| jelkner | but i can't recommend seminars with Trebor Schultz at the New School highly enough | 20:05 |
| jelkner | in 2021, I participated in Platform Cooperatives Now! | 20:06 |
| anthony_p | so, i was able to figure out what was going on with the accountability module | 20:06 |
| anthony_p | did some renaming and category creation to do some initial stuff with that to get it started | 20:06 |
| jelkner | oh that is great news anthony_p | 20:07 |
| anthony_p | i created a decidim category and a website category and put a placeholder in for the SECOSOL website under that category at 100% complete | 20:07 |
| jelkner | https://www.mondragon.edu/en/-/segunda-edicion-programa-cooperativas-plataforma- | 20:07 |
| anthony_p | Also renamed Accountability to Projects because that seems to do a better job of describing what's going on there | 20:08 |
| klarios | that's great news! | 20:08 |
| klarios | are we able to use it in our decidim instnace? | 20:08 |
| anthony_p | we can probably put the items listed on the Projects page in the NOVA assembly into items in the Projects accountability module for streamlining and consolidation | 20:08 |
| anthony_p | it's actually in the live instance right now | 20:09 |
| anthony_p | that's where i did it all | 20:09 |
| klarios | anthony_p: renaming it is fine, we just have to emphasize that we will be using the module to instill accountability | 20:09 |
| anthony_p | it didn't require any code changes, it was simply not being used properly, and it's proper use is not accurately described in the Decidim documentation | 20:10 |
| klarios | great! I cant wait to test it! with this we can start working on getting jetro set up with the accountability module as well | 20:10 |
| klarios | got it | 20:10 |
| klarios | if there arent any differences on how it should be used, then we can try its directed to be used? | 20:10 |
| anthony_p | i want to start working on updating the live instance because it's still on 0.28.2 | 20:11 |
| anthony_p | but i need to be careful with it and make a backup beforehand | 20:11 |
| klarios | do you think there will be any issues with ruby gems and their version if the live instance is updated? | 20:11 |
| anthony_p | I will start doing it slowly, going up version by version and looking at the changes noted in each version as I do so, to identify any propblems | 20:12 |
| klarios | +1 agree, we dont want to break it. Unfortunately due to my ssh issue I wont be able to log into the decidim server to help with backups, but I can manage our workforce using decidim of coures | 20:12 |
| anthony_p | i don't suspect there will be any issues with any of the updates, but that's why I want to do it one by 1 | 20:12 |
| klarios | got it. How long do you think itll take? | 20:13 |
| anthony_p | i have to make some specific changes to gemspecs and Gemfile.locks to account for the concurrent-ruby issue and force it to stay at 1.3.4 throughout the process | 20:13 |
| klarios | hi ledmer | 20:14 |
| anthony_p | not sure how long it will take exactly because I don't know if the update actions will change those configurations to try and update concurrent-ruby | 20:14 |
| anthony_p | hello ledmer | 20:14 |
| anthony_p | but it shouldn't take more than an evening | 20:14 |
| klarios | yeah that makes sense, i would expect it to be time consuming though. If its possible, keep a close track of time so that we know how long it normally takes to do something like this | 20:15 |
| ledmer | hi | 20:15 |
| klarios | in the future we want you to get paid for it of course | 20:15 |
| anthony_p | i'll probably start tonight late in the evening, after 11PM so I don't interfere with anyone doing anything or reading it. will probably require a few restarts of the server | 20:15 |
| klarios | hi ledmer | 20:15 |
| anthony_p | this will not be a normal occurrence | 20:16 |
| jelkner | Good afternoon ledmer (I mean "Mr. Chair" ;-) | 20:16 |
| klarios | makes sense. Thank you for the update and the good news anthony_p | 20:16 |
| anthony_p | i'm going to be keeping a closer eye on versioning from now on and perform version updates when they occur | 20:16 |
| klarios | jelkner: about your point it would be amazing if a member of the coop can be part of the program! | 20:16 |
| klarios | i hope theyre not too costly | 20:16 |
| jelkner | klarios, you and anthony_p are already in school | 20:17 |
| klarios | anthony_p: if everything else is working correctly, thats the best thing we can do. ALthough there are still some things we cant use, we can figure it out as the versions roll out | 20:17 |
| jelkner | but as soon as you finish, i will recommend these New School courses! | 20:17 |
| klarios | we can take them as summer courses right? | 20:17 |
| jelkner | i don't know | 20:18 |
| jelkner | this one is offered this semester | 20:18 |
| jelkner | it is so cool they way Treber does | 20:18 |
| jelkner | it | 20:18 |
| klarios | it seems its only presential but itd be a great thing to join | 20:18 |
| jelkner | there are undergraduate and graduate students from the New School taking it for credit | 20:18 |
| klarios | never mind there is online courses as well | 20:18 |
| anthony_p | yeah, my semester is going to be pretty stuffed as is, with my capstone and two lab courses on top of the internship course | 20:18 |
| jelkner | but there are also participants from around the world | 20:19 |
| jelkner | India, Uruguay, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Columbia | 20:19 |
| klarios | I have 2 free spaces this semester because I took care of my online classes very early. If theres a chance to join and its not too costly, id love to do it | 20:19 |
| anthony_p | although, one of my capstone projects can work double duty, because I can do a cybersecurity analysis on one or more of our sites, and submit any issues I find to Jeff, and use that as some of my work for the internship as well | 20:20 |
| jelkner | Two comrades from the state of Kerala in India | 20:20 |
| jelkner | They have *a lot* of experience with cooperatives | 20:20 |
| jelkner | for many years | 20:20 |
| jelkner | and also with popularly elected progressive government | 20:21 |
| anthony_p | it sounds like a great opportunity that we should get some folks into | 20:21 |
| klarios | https://www.mondragon.edu/cursos/es/curso/cooperativas-de-plataforma-ya | 20:21 |
| jelkner | all in good time, my dear friend | 20:21 |
| klarios | heres a great source | 20:21 |
| jelkner | i'll focus on this now | 20:21 |
| jelkner | since we have to become a viable business to even be here a year from now | 20:22 |
| jelkner | it sounds like you're doing exactly what you need to do | 20:22 |
| anthony_p | looks like i'd have to get some decent proficiency in spanish | 20:22 |
| jelkner | i had a good conversation with Thomas and Spencer this morning | 20:22 |
| jelkner | Spanish helps anthony_p | 20:22 |
| jelkner | but this course is all in English | 20:22 |
| jelkner | all the Latin American participants speak English | 20:23 |
| jelkner | and all discussion and reading is in English | 20:23 |
| jelkner | But when we end up going to Barcelona... ;-) | 20:23 |
| klarios | well I can blend with them but my specialty is not spain spanish lol | 20:23 |
| jelkner | You need to learn Catalan, klarios | 20:24 |
| anthony_p | i'm working on my spanish, i actually can understand the gist of what that site is saying, but i couldn't possibly repeat it back in spanish... not enough exposure or practice for me | 20:24 |
| klarios | jajaj ill try my best jelkner, ive always been passionate about learning languages | 20:25 |
| anthony_p | i think i might start watching my anime and news in spanish | 20:25 |
| klarios | it helps to consume media like that anthony_p | 20:26 |
| klarios | jelkner: any idea as to when freena and janet will be able to join us? im worried that it may be too late in liberia for them to join us | 20:27 |
| klarios | do we push the meeting time earlier? | 20:27 |
| jelkner | klarios, no | 20:27 |
| jelkner | don't change the meeting time | 20:28 |
| jelkner | they need to adjust to our schedule | 20:28 |
| jelkner | that's the plan | 20:28 |
| jelkner | klarios, did you see the irc log from this morning? | 20:28 |
| klarios | No I havent. I can take a look after the meeting | 20:28 |
| jelkner | my task is to struggle with the Jetro members to step up | 20:28 |
| jelkner | i will be relentless, i can promise you that | 20:29 |
| klarios | I noticed your email where you said thomas would offer his place as an office | 20:29 |
| klarios | will they be able to work with that? | 20:30 |
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| anthony_p | a newish thing i noticed while i was working decidim issues | 20:31 |
| anthony_p | there is actually a module for integrating jitsi with decidim | 20:32 |
| klarios | of really?1 | 20:32 |
| klarios | wow thatd be super helpful | 20:32 |
| anthony_p | yes | 20:32 |
| klarios | would it use the conference module? | 20:32 |
| anthony_p | you have to have an already existing jitsi server and configure the jitsi module in decidim to use it | 20:33 |
| anthony_p | it allows you to ad Jitsi Meetings as a component | 20:34 |
| anthony_p | its something i want to test with | 20:34 |
| klarios | wow, does that mean we can add it to an existing assembly like nova web | 20:34 |
| klarios | ? | 20:34 |
| anthony_p | you can add it inot processes and assemblies according to the github page | 20:35 |
| klarios | would you have to create a new component? | 20:35 |
| klarios | alright. If we can test it that'd be amazing, we already have a server | 20:36 |
| anthony_p | it's something i'd like to test with, because if we can have jitsi meetings readily available to be clicked on from the decidim, it would make organizing video meetings with external comrades a bit more smooth and easy | 20:36 |
| klarios | I dont personally have access to it though | 20:36 |
| anthony_p | ledmer does, he added me as an admin, but i'm not certain about how to integrate it or details on that | 20:36 |
| klarios | true, plus it could be a place to drop in if possible | 20:36 |
| anthony_p | yes | 20:37 |
| klarios | we could ask adrian or stefan about it | 20:37 |
| klarios | theyre the ones who set it up i thinl | 20:37 |
| ledmer | I mean we could just use links no? | 20:37 |
| jelkner | klarios, i will be insisting that freena and janet start joining you here from 3 to 7 pm EST | 20:37 |
| klarios | Thank you jelkner I will keep in contact with them today through telegram | 20:38 |
| jelkner | Their stipend from SJC will be contingent on their participation here | 20:38 |
| ledmer | since you can personalize the link the jitsi meetings have | 20:38 |
| jelkner | So i'll bring that up with them on saturday | 20:38 |
| anthony_p | ledmer, sure, but the idea is to get to a point of understanding in decidim that we can include these things and offer them to customers in the future | 20:38 |
| jelkner | and hold them to it next thursday | 20:38 |
| anthony_p | having the capability of integrating a fast video conferencing capability into decidim would be a good selling point | 20:39 |
| ledmer | ohh gotchu | 20:39 |
| klarios | anthony_p: lets bring it up in our meeting. if we do this, then we have to get the members to use it | 20:39 |
| klarios | as well | 20:39 |
| ledmer | I just jumped in the convo since you mentioned me | 20:39 |
| anthony_p | all good | 20:39 |
| ledmer | I didn't had the whole context | 20:39 |
| klarios | that's alright ledmer, we want give our costumers the full experience and one price | 20:40 |
| anthony_p | i think it's potentially overkill for us to use on the regular, but having it available to offer larger organizations with more members is something we should be doing | 20:40 |
| klarios | I think it would be okay for us to test it, see if it hold up to updates, version change, etc. | 20:40 |
| anthony_p | and so i hope we can work together to test it out and get it going, even if we dont need it ourselves in the long run | 20:40 |
| klarios | I think we could definitely use it as we grow | 20:41 |
| anthony_p | but i'll probably need your help a bit with the jitsi side of things since you seem to have the best understanding of how to administer it | 20:41 |
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| klarios | if ledmer and you need more guidance, we could get adrian and stefan involved | 20:42 |
| anthony_p | sure, if we need to lets do that, but i want to see where we can take it without their assistance for now | 20:43 |
| klarios | https://github.com/alabs/decidim-module-jitsi-meetings | 20:43 |
| klarios | is this the page? | 20:43 |
| jelkner | anthony_p, i use jisti all the time | 20:43 |
| anthony_p | yep | 20:43 |
| jelkner | it should be dead simple | 20:43 |
| klarios | looks like it works great! | 20:43 |
| jelkner | if you have a may first login | 20:43 |
| anthony_p | repeating for ledmer: but i'll probably need your help a bit with the jitsi side of things since you seem to have the best understanding of how to administer it | 20:44 |
| anthony_p | i think i have a mayfirst login now? | 20:44 |
| ledmer | yeah | 20:44 |
| anthony_p | i'm pretty sure that's what ledmer gave me last week | 20:44 |
| jelkner | want to try to start a meeting? | 20:44 |
| ledmer | you have access to everything you may need | 20:44 |
| jelkner | i can talk you through it if you have a login | 20:44 |
| jelkner | that's the show stopper | 20:44 |
| klarios | yeah anthony_p I think you have it. If not, bitwarden has the nova web admin for mayfirst | 20:44 |
| jelkner | since you need to be able to authenticate to start a meeting | 20:45 |
| jelkner | everyone else can just join | 20:45 |
| jelkner | with no credentials at all | 20:45 |
| jelkner | but an authenticated user has to start the meeting | 20:45 |
| anthony_p | https://meet.mayfirst.org/TestMeeting | 20:45 |
| jelkner | anthony_p, can i voice an opinion here? | 20:47 |
| anthony_p | absolutely | 20:47 |
| jelkner | i would vote against doing anything with Jitsi | 20:47 |
| jelkner | now | 20:47 |
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| jelkner | i get it | 20:48 |
| jelkner | geeks like to geek out | 20:48 |
| anthony_p | it's not about using it for us | 20:48 |
| jelkner | we ran a custom jitsi server for nova web in the past | 20:48 |
| jelkner | stefan and adrian set it up | 20:48 |
| jelkner | they were amazing geeks | 20:48 |
| anthony_p | it's about figuring it out so we can have the availability of the option for future customers and partners that would be interested | 20:48 |
| jelkner | they could make anything work | 20:48 |
| jelkner | what they couldn't do, is make a successful business :-( | 20:49 |
| jelkner | i will always advocate for an agile approach | 20:49 |
| jelkner | do the simplest thing that works | 20:49 |
| jelkner | we're a coop | 20:49 |
| jelkner | and perhaps you all need to make your own mistakes | 20:50 |
| klarios | jelkner: I understand your concern, but we could be like the coop who developed this tool in the first place | 20:50 |
| klarios | https://participa.cloud/ | 20:50 |
| jelkner | but the more things we do that require us to maintain them | 20:50 |
| klarios | https://www.alabs.org/servicios/Decidim/ | 20:50 |
| jelkner | the more likely we will fail | 20:50 |
| jelkner | yes, klarios, i know | 20:50 |
| jelkner | jitsi is free software | 20:50 |
| jelkner | it can "easily" be integrated into decidim | 20:50 |
| jelkner | but that is not our user story now | 20:51 |
| jelkner | and won't help us deal with our central contradiction | 20:51 |
| jelkner | which is that we can't seem to effectively complete billable tasks | 20:51 |
| jelkner | i think we should focus on hacking decidim to be our "task manager" | 20:52 |
| jelkner | and use it to hold each other accountable while we learn the platform | 20:52 |
| klarios | jelkner: true I agree. I also do believe we need to build a good product, a product that works and it does so effectively | 20:52 |
| anthony_p | decidim isn't going to have billable tasks until we can sell our support to other organizations though, and udnerstanding how to maintain it and integrate modules into it is an important task to accomplish that | 20:52 |
| jelkner | yes anthony_p, i agree | 20:52 |
| klarios | +1 | 20:52 |
| jelkner | but bandwidth and tech heavy modules going to cost us more than we gain | 20:53 |
| jelkner | johan seems to have a good instinct as to how to approach this problem | 20:53 |
| jelkner | he does the research in the decidim docs | 20:54 |
| jelkner | we need to connect to the community more too | 20:54 |
| jelkner | so we aren't just pissing in the dark | 20:54 |
| klarios | this is going to take a considerable amount of time and we dont have the capabilities to work on modules and learn decidim at the same time. We need specialization, someone who connects people to decidim, someone who maintains it, and someoen who builds it as aproduct | 20:54 |
| anthony_p | i'm a member of the metadecidim community, and will be attending their design meeting in february | 20:54 |
| jelkner | we should be asking other experience folks for guidance | 20:54 |
| jelkner | that is the power of the solidarity economy | 20:54 |
| anthony_p | but their community engagement assembly is mostly defunct | 20:55 |
| jelkner | hmmm... | 20:55 |
| anthony_p | they haven't had a meeting in over a year | 20:55 |
| klarios | +1 jelkner I agree as well. We can reach out to their development community or join forums | 20:55 |
| jelkner | yes, klarios, that's what i'm saying! | 20:55 |
| jelkner | +1! | 20:55 |
| anthony_p | the developers for decidim are what is driving decidim at present, by all appearances | 20:56 |
| jelkner | we need to find the community | 20:56 |
| jelkner | even if it keeps morphing and moving | 20:56 |
| jelkner | well, my dear friend, then we need to get to know developers! | 20:56 |
| anthony_p | like i said, i'm attedning the design meeting | 20:56 |
| jelkner | you rock, anthony_p | 20:57 |
| jelkner | that is great to hear | 20:57 |
| anthony_p | they're monthly | 20:57 |
| anthony_p | but also, for all i know, it will be in spanish | 20:57 |
| anthony_p | i haven't attended before, and their meeting descriptions are not very descriptive | 20:57 |
| jelkner | klarios, we have enough infrastructure now to do what we most need to do | 20:58 |
| jelkner | this was the discussion i had with johan | 20:58 |
| jelkner | we need to learn to use the core functionality of the platform first | 20:58 |
| jelkner | to do that, we need to USE IT. | 20:58 |
| jelkner | it is a human engineering problem, not a technical one | 20:58 |
| jelkner | i want to see a list of things that need to be done on our main instance | 20:59 |
| jelkner | with people associated with doing those things | 20:59 |
| jelkner | and "due dates" | 20:59 |
| jelkner | main decidim already supports that kind of work flow out of the box according to johan | 20:59 |
| jelkner | so now it is just getting our members to login and use it | 21:00 |
| jelkner | that will be freena and janet's task | 21:00 |
| jelkner | and yours and mine klarios | 21:00 |
| klarios | itll nova webs task as well. | 21:00 |
| klarios | +1 | 21:00 |
| jelkner | yes, all of us | 21:00 |
| jelkner | but we need to start with a core group | 21:00 |
| jelkner | who can then pull the others along | 21:00 |
| klarios | I can facilitate for nova web. Things such as making todo lists/ agendas can be assigned in rotations. I can give them a template of what to do andhow to do it | 21:01 |
| klarios | jetro web can follow as well | 21:02 |
| jelkner | that would be wonderful! | 21:02 |
| klarios | as for you jelkner, it would be to tell people to use it, whenever work is being done, decidim must be open | 21:02 |
| klarios | since were not there in person | 21:03 |
| klarios | we need someone to keep them motivated | 21:03 |
| jelkner | yes, klarios, being the perpetual nag is my main role here! ;-) | 21:03 |
| jelkner | i understand that | 21:04 |
| jelkner | and will do it | 21:04 |
| klarios | alright. We can introduce it during the meetings. The person who chairs the meeting gets to assign who chairs next, adds agenda items based on the meeting they chaired or assign others to add agenda items/ notes of meetings | 21:05 |
| klarios | we can bring it up in the meeting coming up | 21:05 |
| klarios | itd be amazing if we could add some sort of rotation calendar to decidim | 21:06 |
| klarios | or just a calendar option | 21:06 |
| anthony_p | There is a calendar, with meetings, i put new meetings in every couple weeks for the upcoming meetings | 21:06 |
| anthony_p | there's a meeting entry in there for this meeting and the one after for NOVA general | 21:07 |
| klarios | yeah anthony_p we got the meeting calendar. I guess we can add things there | 21:07 |
| anthony_p | but there's noting in those meeting entries like an agenda or who is chairing it | 21:07 |
| klarios | yeah, that's helpful for those doing notes/ to-do lists | 21:08 |
| anthony_p | that's something that should be updated after the meetings, probably by the chair of the current meeting, possibly putting a link to the appropriate irc log and then editing the next meeting with who the next chair would be | 21:08 |
| klarios | yeah we can do that, itd be more organized as well | 21:09 |
| klarios | alright. Ive got to go back to my dorm for laundry. ill Return to the 4:30 meeting shortly | 21:09 |
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| ledmer | Jeff | 21:09 |
| ledmer | I have been playing around with jetrowebs irc chanel | 21:10 |
| ledmer | and apparently you are the master of that chanel | 21:10 |
| blu | Jeff is on the phone right now, hell be back soon | 21:10 |
| ledmer | jelkner I would need you to run /msg ChanServ ACCESS #novawebdev ADD ledmer MASTER | 21:11 |
| ledmer | do /msg ChanServ ACCESS #jetrowebdev ADD ledmer MASTER | 21:11 |
| scooper | Good evening jelkner, ledmer, anthony_p and blu | 21:15 |
| ledmer | hi | 21:16 |
| anthony_p | good evening scooper | 21:16 |
| scooper | ledmer, is Sahnun coming in today? | 21:17 |
| ledmer | I don't know | 21:17 |
| scooper | can you please ask jeff for me?? | 21:17 |
| blu | jeff is on the phone right now, but i am pretty sure Sahnun will be here tonight | 21:18 |
| scooper | ok thanks blu | 21:18 |
| scooper | blu | 21:18 |
| scooper | any update from your end concerning the sjc website?? | 21:19 |
| jelkner | scooper, so good to see you! | 21:27 |
| jelkner | sahnun said he would be here | 21:27 |
| jelkner | 5:30 pm is his usual show time | 21:27 |
| jelkner | since he has to come after work | 21:27 |
| ledmer | jelkner, could you do /msg ChanServ ACCESS #jetrowebdev ADD ledmer MASTER | 21:28 |
| jelkner | scooper, we need the jetro folks "in the house" | 21:28 |
| ledmer | apparently you are the owner of the jetro channel | 21:28 |
| jelkner | i'm going to email freena and janet | 21:28 |
| jelkner | to let them know that the next SJC stipend will be contingent on their participation here | 21:29 |
| jelkner | 3 to 7 pm each thursday | 21:29 |
| jelkner | 8 to 12 midnight your time | 21:29 |
| jelkner | a proper geek schedule | 21:29 |
| scooper | jelkner, | 21:31 |
| scooper | are you there | 21:31 |
| jelkner | meeting started scooper | 21:31 |
| jelkner | ledmer, your chair, yet? | 21:32 |
| jelkner | yes? | 21:32 |
| ledmer | yes | 21:32 |
| ledmer | !agenda | 21:32 |
| LittleWebster | Warning: There are no items on the agenda! | 21:32 |
| jelkner | take it away my friend! | 21:32 |
| ledmer | sure | 21:32 |
| ledmer | So there are no items in the agenda | 21:32 |
| ledmer | does someone want to propose something to discuss | 21:32 |
| ledmer | ? | 21:32 |
| scooper | is it right to ask you question here jelkner?? | 21:32 |
| scooper | If I done understand what you are trying to say?? | 21:33 |
| jelkner | i'm not the chair scooper, ledmer is | 21:33 |
| scooper | Oh I'm sorry | 21:33 |
| scooper | I will just watch the conversation | 21:33 |
| klarios | Yes ledmer. We wanted to add rotation of a person who takes notes and does the agenda items | 21:33 |
| ledmer | ok lets start with that then | 21:33 |
| klarios | i proposed that the person who chairs can either add agenda items for next week or they can assign someone to do it | 21:34 |
| jelkner | great suggestion klarios | 21:34 |
| jelkner | may i make an amendment? | 21:34 |
| klarios | yeah jelkner | 21:34 |
| jelkner | so anyone *can* add items | 21:35 |
| jelkner | over time we hope more people actually will | 21:35 |
| jelkner | but the chair should be responsible for thinking about the next meeting | 21:35 |
| klarios | yes anyone can add items. we want to distribute responsability as well | 21:35 |
| jelkner | and adding at least a few items | 21:35 |
| jelkner | does that make sense? | 21:35 |
| jelkner | jamesoconnr, so good to see you my friend! | 21:35 |
| jelkner | live from Colorado | 21:35 |
| jamesoconnr | Good to see you too! | 21:35 |
| jelkner | since jamesoconnr is here | 21:35 |
| klarios | +1 jelkner Sounds good | 21:35 |
| jelkner | i can add one quick item | 21:36 |
| jelkner | !add CPA Update | 21:36 |
| LittleWebster | Success: "CPA Update" has been added to the agenda. | 21:36 |
| jelkner | there ledmer, now you have an agenda ;-) | 21:36 |
| klarios | !add swamprose coop | 21:36 |
| LittleWebster | Success: "swamprose coop" has been added to the agenda. | 21:36 |
| ledmer | great | 21:37 |
| jelkner | ledmer, let's move the meeting please | 21:37 |
| ledmer | sure | 21:37 |
| jelkner | we are busy people | 21:37 |
| ledmer | so you could start talkig about the CPA Update | 21:37 |
| klarios | !add nwd-3 has exceeded threshold | 21:37 |
| LittleWebster | Success: "nwd-3 has exceeded threshold" has been added to the agenda. | 21:37 |
| klarios | agenda | 21:37 |
| klarios | !agenda | 21:37 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 21:37 |
| LittleWebster | CPA Update (added by jelkner) | 21:37 |
| LittleWebster | swamprose coop (added by klarios) | 21:37 |
| LittleWebster | nwd-3 has exceeded threshold (added by klarios) | 21:37 |
| anthony_p | i have an item to mention, more of an update/info than anything else | 21:37 |
| ledmer | add it to the agenda | 21:37 |
| jelkner | ok, for the benefit of jamesoconnr, since he will be the tech lead if we get the CPA gig | 21:38 |
| jelkner | i've been chomping at the bit to email them | 21:38 |
| anthony_p | !add Decidim Update to 0.29.1 | 21:38 |
| LittleWebster | Success: "Decidim Update to 0.29.1" has been added to the agenda. | 21:38 |
| jelkner | but since they said they would reach back to us in january | 21:38 |
| jelkner | i held back | 21:38 |
| jelkner | but saturday is 2/1 | 21:38 |
| jelkner | so jamesoconnr expect to be cc'd on an email from me to CPA on saturday | 21:38 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 21:38 |
| jamesoconnr | Alright, ill be on the lookout | 21:39 |
| klarios | thank you jelkner, please update us on their response, we are eager to see progress | 21:39 |
| jelkner | of course | 21:39 |
| ledmer | ok so next item | 21:39 |
| ledmer | !agenda | 21:39 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 21:39 |
| LittleWebster | CPA Update (added by jelkner) | 21:39 |
| LittleWebster | swamprose coop (added by klarios) | 21:39 |
| LittleWebster | nwd-3 has exceeded threshold (added by klarios) | 21:39 |
| LittleWebster | Decidim Update to 0.29.1 (added by anthony_p) | 21:39 |
| ledmer | what about Swamprose coop klarios? | 21:40 |
| klarios | so swap rose sent an email yesterday requesting to be moved to squarespace | 21:40 |
| klarios | they previously worked with louis | 21:40 |
| klarios | ledmer: jamesoconnr I can forward you the email | 21:40 |
| klarios | https://swamprosecoop.com/ | 21:40 |
| klarios | here is their current site | 21:40 |
| ledmer | I think i already have it | 21:41 |
| klarios | theyre using wordpress | 21:41 |
| klarios | are you able to move a site from wordpress to squarespace | 21:41 |
| klarios | ? | 21:41 |
| jelkner | short answer, to quote Douglas Cerna, "it's software, so of course you can" | 21:42 |
| jelkner | that means in principle | 21:42 |
| ledmer | I dont have experience on it | 21:42 |
| jamesoconnr | you could probably replicate a website on squarespace, but it’s unlikely theres a button you can click to do so | 21:42 |
| jelkner | question is how much time will it take and how much are they willing to spend doing it | 21:42 |
| klarios | we got to look into itm since therye a paying costumer | 21:42 |
| klarios | we can respond back, but the developers would need to do research on how to do it before we ask for a price | 21:43 |
| ledmer | "We don't have experience transfering domains and need to figure out how to do it without interruption. Is this domain transfer something you all could help with?" Swamp Rose coop | 21:43 |
| ledmer | the apparently want help with the domain | 21:43 |
| klarios | we could go on a meeting with them | 21:43 |
| jelkner | we used to do that before ledmer | 21:43 |
| jelkner | stefan and adrian could do it in their sleep | 21:44 |
| jelkner | but we need to learn | 21:44 |
| anthony_p | if you need someone to meet with them in person, silver spring is not that far from me | 21:44 |
| jelkner | it's not that hard | 21:44 |
| ledmer | yeah its not | 21:44 |
| jelkner | they just need to give us access to their domain host | 21:44 |
| ledmer | we might already have it | 21:44 |
| jelkner | ok, 15 minutes left and two more items | 21:44 |
| jelkner | let's go | 21:44 |
| ledmer | yeah | 21:44 |
| ledmer | !agenda | 21:44 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 21:44 |
| LittleWebster | CPA Update (added by jelkner) | 21:44 |
| LittleWebster | swamprose coop (added by klarios) | 21:44 |
| LittleWebster | nwd-3 has exceeded threshold (added by klarios) | 21:44 |
| LittleWebster | Decidim Update to 0.29.1 (added by anthony_p) | 21:44 |
| jelkner | remember, meetings are for "big ideas" | 21:44 |
| jelkner | work out the details after | 21:45 |
| jelkner | don't get "in the weeds" here | 21:45 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 21:45 |
| klarios | +1 | 21:45 |
| ledmer | so nwd-3 has exceeded threshold | 21:45 |
| klarios | What do we have on nwd 3 again? | 21:45 |
| anthony_p | what all is hosted on nwd-3? | 21:45 |
| anthony_p | and can any of it be offloaded to another server that isn't as active? | 21:45 |
| ledmer | let me check | 21:45 |
| ledmer | so the tags are AEAPACVA BVCLTGARDEN and Maryland Latino Caucus | 21:46 |
| jelkner | ledmer, you're chairing | 21:46 |
| jelkner | Maryland Latino Caucus | 21:47 |
| klarios | thank you ledmer | 21:47 |
| jelkner | is an important customer | 21:47 |
| jelkner | I don't know anything about BVCLTGARDEN | 21:47 |
| jelkner | i think that was my son | 21:47 |
| jelkner | you can ask him | 21:47 |
| jelkner | AEAPAC can be taken down | 21:47 |
| anthony_p | in that case, we should probably at least temporarily expand the resources available for the server and then do an analysis on how the resources are being used | 21:48 |
| jelkner | +1 | 21:48 |
| klarios | you asked him to take it down jelkner, he mightve forgotten about it. We can remind him again | 21:48 |
| jelkner | but please do it in a timely manor | 21:48 |
| jelkner | the bill keeps getting bigger | 21:48 |
| anthony_p | if it's growing quickly for some reason, we may have to let them know that we need to up their server size and thus cost | 21:48 |
| jelkner | and we aren't taking in any revenue | 21:48 |
| klarios | I thought we had taken down most of them, why are some still here? | 21:49 |
| jelkner | why not kill AEAPAC immediately | 21:49 |
| jelkner | and see if that fixes it for now | 21:49 |
| ledmer | that was what i was thinking | 21:49 |
| ledmer | Well I will check it out | 21:49 |
| ledmer | later | 21:49 |
| ledmer | so next item | 21:49 |
| anthony_p | that's me | 21:49 |
| jelkner | scooper, blu wants to chat with you on #jetrowebdev | 21:49 |
| anthony_p | currently decidim is on 0.28.2 on our live instance | 21:50 |
| scooper | ok | 21:50 |
| scooper | I m going there | 21:50 |
| ledmer | alr | 21:50 |
| anthony_p | i was able to figure out how to update the test server to 0.29.1 despite some issues with some of the dependencies | 21:50 |
| anthony_p | i plan on working on updating the live instance this week to the latest version | 21:50 |
| jelkner | nice anthony_p | 21:51 |
| ledmer | ok sounds great | 21:51 |
| jelkner | despite my constant whining, i do realize we are making steady progress ;-) | 21:51 |
| anthony_p | this may result in some outages and downtime during an evening or two depending on how slow going it is | 21:51 |
| jelkner | understood | 21:51 |
| ledmer | !add jetrowebdev IRC channel configuration | 21:51 |
| LittleWebster | Success: "jetrowebdev IRC channel configuration" has been added to the agenda. | 21:51 |
| klarios | that's alright anthony_p | 21:51 |
| anthony_p | that agenda item should be kept so we can talk about how it went next week | 21:52 |
| jelkner | +1 | 21:52 |
| ledmer | sounds good | 21:52 |
| jelkner | thanks anthony_p! | 21:52 |
| anthony_p | hopefully it will be a short "it went great" | 21:52 |
| jelkner | yes indeed | 21:52 |
| klarios | another Item we can add is the peer tech network meeting | 21:52 |
| jelkner | next week ledmer | 21:52 |
| anthony_p | and that's it for me | 21:52 |
| jelkner | klarios, | 21:52 |
| jelkner | 8 minutes | 21:52 |
| ledmer | we are running short on time | 21:52 |
| jelkner | let's bring this home | 21:52 |
| ledmer | so next item | 21:52 |
| ledmer | !agenda | 21:52 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 21:52 |
| LittleWebster | CPA Update (added by jelkner) | 21:52 |
| LittleWebster | swamprose coop (added by klarios) | 21:52 |
| LittleWebster | nwd-3 has exceeded threshold (added by klarios) | 21:52 |
| LittleWebster | Decidim Update to 0.29.1 (added by anthony_p) | 21:52 |
| LittleWebster | jetrowebdev IRC channel configuration (added by ledmer) | 21:52 |
| ledmer | I basically need Master | 21:53 |
| jelkner | ledmer, i see a green circle next to you, which made me *very* happy ;-) | 21:53 |
| ledmer | in jetrowebdev | 21:53 |
| jelkner | ledmer, not your task | 21:53 |
| jelkner | don't do | 21:53 |
| jelkner | it | 21:53 |
| jelkner | help guide gabriel and mulbah | 21:53 |
| jelkner | they need to step up | 21:53 |
| ledmer | right | 21:53 |
| ledmer | but | 21:53 |
| jelkner | they are supposed to be working full time | 21:53 |
| ledmer | you are the only master | 21:53 |
| jelkner | and they need to begin delivering the goods | 21:54 |
| jelkner | klarios already asked me to turn up the whine volume with them | 21:54 |
| jelkner | and i will | 21:54 |
| jelkner | mr. zawolo wants to do the same | 21:54 |
| ledmer | sounds good | 21:54 |
| jelkner | so we're on it | 21:54 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 21:54 |
| ledmer | but it would be better | 21:54 |
| ledmer | if we had another master besides you | 21:54 |
| anthony_p | +1 | 21:55 |
| ledmer | in case something happens or you are just busy | 21:55 |
| klarios | Thank you jelkner We expect to see them next week at the decidim meeting. Now that the accountability module works, we need to formulate a plan to use decidmi more | 21:55 |
| jelkner | one which channel? | 21:55 |
| ledmer | jetrowebdev | 21:55 |
| jelkner | i'm not master there ledmer | 21:55 |
| anthony_p | administrative redundancy is good in cases like this | 21:55 |
| jelkner | i don't want to be | 21:55 |
| ledmer | I know | 21:55 |
| ledmer | but you are | 21:55 |
| jelkner | it's their channel | 21:55 |
| jelkner | anthony_p, yes, on our channel here we should add you | 21:56 |
| ledmer | /msg Chanserv Help | 21:56 |
| jelkner | and jamesoconnr if he wants to be, and klarios | 21:56 |
| jelkner | redunancy is good | 21:56 |
| jelkner | but on #jetrowebdev | 21:56 |
| klarios | +1 | 21:56 |
| jelkner | it needs to be THEIR channel | 21:56 |
| jelkner | not ours | 21:56 |
| jelkner | let's support them | 21:56 |
| ledmer | I agree | 21:56 |
| jelkner | but they need to take ownership | 21:56 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 21:56 |
| ledmer | but to do so someone else have to be master | 21:57 |
| jelkner | no one is master now | 21:57 |
| ledmer | otherwise any changes are impossible | 21:57 |
| jelkner | we need to help them figure that out | 21:57 |
| ledmer | try doing /msg Chanserv INFO #jetrowebdev | 21:57 |
| jelkner | they will need to contact OFTC i think | 21:57 |
| jelkner | anyway, we're getting in the weeds | 21:57 |
| ledmer | yeah | 21:57 |
| jelkner | time to pick a chair for next week ledmer | 21:57 |
| anthony_p | yeah, it does show that jelkner is master of that channel | 21:58 |
| jelkner | your last task | 21:58 |
| ledmer | someone wants to volunteer | 21:58 |
| anthony_p | i can chair | 21:58 |
| ledmer | great | 21:58 |
| jelkner | Done | 21:58 |
| klarios | great! | 21:58 |
| jelkner | thanks ledmer! | 21:58 |
| klarios | thank you ledmer | 21:58 |
| jelkner | great seeing everyone | 21:58 |
| jelkner | we are getting better and better at this | 21:58 |
| jelkner | see y'all next week | 21:58 |
| klarios | have a good rest of the day all! thank you for coming | 21:58 |
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| anthony_p | !agenda | 21:59 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 21:59 |
| LittleWebster | CPA Update (added by jelkner) | 21:59 |
| LittleWebster | swamprose coop (added by klarios) | 21:59 |
| LittleWebster | nwd-3 has exceeded threshold (added by klarios) | 21:59 |
| LittleWebster | Decidim Update to 0.29.1 (added by anthony_p) | 21:59 |
| LittleWebster | jetrowebdev IRC channel configuration (added by ledmer) | 21:59 |
| jelkner | anthony_p, we need to get the bot updated | 21:59 |
| jelkner | so we can clear the agenda | 21:59 |
| ledmer | Jeff I'm trying to call you to further discuss the jetroweb situation | 21:59 |
| anthony_p | !help | 21:59 |
| LittleWebster | Available commands: !add, !agenda, !help, !remove | 21:59 |
| ledmer | jelkner are you available to chat? | 22:00 |
| anthony_p | so, i think most of the items in the agenda are things we want to revisit | 22:00 |
| ledmer | yeah | 22:00 |
| ledmer | lets just leave it there | 22:00 |
| anthony_p | other than the jetro, which is probably going to be handled now-ish | 22:00 |
| ledmer | and change it if we solve it | 22:01 |
| ledmer | yeah | 22:01 |
| anthony_p | cool | 22:01 |
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