IRC log of #novawebdev for Thursday, 2025-03-20

klarioshey freena !18:08
jelknerhello freena!18:09
jelknergreat to see you18:09
freenaHello jelkner and klarios 18:10
klarioshow are you doing freena ?18:12
freenaFine and you 18:14
freenaFine and you klarios 18:19
klariosim good thank you freena18:19
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jelknerHello anthony_p18:43
anthony_phello jelkner18:43
jelknerOur Internet dropped, freena, but we're back now18:43
johan_fhello anthony_p18:43
anthony_phello johan_f18:44
freena    Okay 18:45
anthony_phello freena18:46
freenaHi 18:48
freenaHi anthony_p 18:48
anthony_phello klarios18:51
klarioshey anthony, hey all!18:52
klariosI will be heading to the Immigrant coop meeting at 3:00. Johan, freena, and I have been working on the user side of decidim a bunch. we are planning on presenting proposals to jeff and anyone who wants to see next week 18:54
anthony_psounds good18:55
anthony_plooking forward to seeing what you got18:55
klariosboth about the office in liberia, coop development, and other secosol18:55
klarioswe should be at the meeting with octtree as well18:57
klariosor voca.city18:58
anthony_pi agree19:01
jkollieGreetings everyone19:02
johan_fthe meeting with octree about voca will be on april 1st19:03
johan_fhello jkollie19:03
thomasboimahGood day folks19:04
anthony_phello jkollie and thomasboimah19:04
johan_fhello thomasboimah19:05
anthony_pis it a virtual meeting? or is there a location for the meeting?19:05
thomasboimahACTION going to read the log19:05
johan_fits virtual starting at 1:30 I believe19:05
johan_fno I believe its actually 1:0019:06
anthony_pokay, sounds good19:06
johan_f1:00 to 1:30, jeff and I will both be attending the meeting19:07
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anthony_pi'll be there as well19:08
anthony_pjust need the meeting connection details19:08
klariosit will be on jitsy. Im sure jelkner will make a link19:09
johan_fOther than that I've been working on placing maps in the test decidim server.19:09
anthony_pi just saw today that I can't get to testdecidim19:10
anthony_pa phusion passenger error19:10
anthony_pare you working on it, or do you need assistance getting it going again?19:11
johan_fI can fix it19:12
anthony_p+119:13
johan_fyeah it should work now19:14
klarioshttps://github.com/OpenSourcePolitics/decidim-module-homepage_interactive_map19:16
klariosthis is the map that open source politics uses19:16
johan_fACTION octree also has their version of maps:https://github.com/octree-gva/decidim-module-geo19:17
klariosbut octree's map is not on our version 19:20
johan_f+119:21
jelknerhello thomasboimah 19:21
jelknergreat to see you as always19:22
anthony_p1lost my connection for a minute there19:22
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tboimah__Hello jelkner 19:22
jelknerthomasboimah, freena, do you know if svaye will be joining us?19:22
tboimah__i sure she will be here19:22
jelknerhello jkollie 19:22
jelkneri hope all is well with you19:22
jkolliehi jelkner, all is well19:23
jelkneri have a meeting in 6 minutues i have to go to19:23
jelknerbut when i return, if svaye is here, i have something i'd like to discuss19:23
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jelkneranthony_p, i have a call with alex from CPA at 3:30 pm19:24
jelkneri'm reaching out to him because i found out that if i can recruit students, i can teach Entrepreneurship next school year19:24
jelkneri made it explicit that if i am going to do that, i'm going to develop a new, Solidarity Economy Entrepreneurship curriculum19:25
jelknerand teach that19:25
anthony_pthat's very cool19:26
jelknerso now i need to reach out to established SE (solidarity economy) actors to get their input and help19:26
jelknerwhich in turn will help us network19:26
jelknerso it will be good all around19:26
jelkneri was waiting for University of the People to become regionally accredited19:27
jelknernow it is19:27
jelknerso i signed up for a class beginning April 1019:27
jelknerto finish my credential to teach business classes for Arlington Public Schools and Northern Virginia Community College19:27
jelknerok, bb after i talk to alex19:28
anthony_pthat's pretty cool19:28
jkollieThat's nice19:28
anthony_pi'll have to look at that university19:28
thomasboimahHI anthony_p , How is things with you concern Ruby and Rails?19:30
anthony_pi'm working on expanding my understanding19:31
anthony_pi would like to work on creating a standard administrative setup for us for decidim, which means a standard setup for our servers that host it19:32
anthony_pI'm trying to look at all the different variables that go into a decidim install, what versions of the supporting software to use, all of that19:33
freenajelkner: 19:33
anthony_pi'm learning a lot about all of the different software that decidim uses to support it19:34
johan_fanthony_p, did you find anything about the attachment error19:34
anthony_pstill working on it, but the solution i think is worth pursuing is doing a fresh install of decidim, replicating the data from the database into the new instance, and moving over to it19:35
anthony_pi asked thomas to learn how to do the data transfers between databases, which he's figured out but still wants to practice with19:36
johan_fsounds good19:36
klariosI think that's what we have to do 19:37
anthony_pi would like to set up a new instance using a slightly different configuration and transfer that data over to the new configuration19:37
anthony_pi'm going to move to using a docker container for postgresql19:37
anthony_pmy vision is that we would have a resilient, backed up, load balanced secure server for decidim data, with very small hosts doing the web work19:40
anthony_pi think we can minimize the decidim images if we have a more powerful database back end to support it, reducing our resource needs for front ends, dividing the functions out into purpose built servers19:41
anthony_pa step towards that end is pulling the postgres server/configuration off of the server that is hosting the site, and a step towards that is containerizing and separating the database function19:43
anthony_pif that makes sense?19:43
anthony_pin an effort to build a more robust and resilient infrastructure19:43
klariosthat sounds much more fortified anthony_p, I agree. 19:43
anthony_pany thoughts?19:44
anthony_pfrom anyone?19:44
anthony_pokay19:45
klariosI am just wondering how long that would take?  if you will reinstall and separate the psql19:45
anthony_pwe're still learning, this is all going to take time19:45
klariosit sounds very time consuming, other thank backing up the server, how can we help?19:45
klariostrue that19:46
anthony_pi think the best thing to do is to have people continue improving their expertise in how to USE decidim and build out the projects/tracking19:46
anthony_pit is motivational for me to see the team exploring, using and making decidim work for us19:47
klariosI understand, thank you for that tony. We are making strides at that as well19:47
anthony_pthe more we lean on it and use it, the better19:47
klarioswe are all motivated to use it and if its more resilient it will be better19:47
anthony_pwe're all learning dedicim, and different folks have different focuses19:48
thomasboimahThat sounds like a solid approach, Anthony_P! Separating PostgreSQL into a container and moving it off the main site-hosting server makes a lot of sense for scalability and resilience.19:48
anthony_pjohan_f is doing a lot of really good work19:48
johan_fanthony_p, I agree with what your saying19:48
thomasboimahWith a more powerful dedicated database backend, the Decidim frontend can be lighter, improving performance and resource efficiency.19:49
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anthony_pi'll work out the instance configuration, which will take some refinement over time, but i think i'm kind of focused on our infrastructure/architecture right now for decidim19:50
johan_fkei is rejoining soon 19:50
jelknerWow, this is beautiful music to my ears!19:50
anthony_pAs long as other folks become familiar with the use of decidim, i think thomas and I can focus on putting the decidim infrastructure in a better place. I feel like johan is doing a lot of good work that will help us deliver features and customization for our customers, but I feel like we need folks like freena, jkollie and klarios learning how to manage the instances from an administrator perspective and helping cusotmers and t19:52
klariosthese sound like good plans. I was wondering, for now, since decidim is going to be down, what will we use during those times? should we use the test server?19:53
dcammueGood day jelkner, anthony_p and the others19:53
anthony_pit's not going to be down19:53
anthony_pbut we will be without uploads until then19:53
anthony_pwhen the transfer happens, i expect decidim will only be down for a few minutes at most19:54
anthony_punless something goes catastrophically wrong19:54
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jelknerhello dcammue 19:55
johan_fanthony_p +119:55
klariosgreat! hopefully nothing goes wrong 19:55
johan_fanthony_p I'll make sure to keep meeting freena and others on monday and wednesday 3:00 to 3:3019:56
jelknerfreena, we meet saturday at 13:30 UTC19:57
jkollieokay anthony_p that will be good19:57
jelknerplease get all the Jetro Websters there19:57
jelknerhello gabriel_jetro 19:57
gabriel_jetroGreetings, jelkner and everyone..19:57
klarios+20:01
klariosno more updates on my side but I do want to have next week be for presenting the proposals we have been working on 20:05
klarioswe of course need the updates on the reinstall/ migrating psql as well but I also want to share our progress on the user side20:06
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klariosACTION reading github repoes 20:08
jelknersvaye, i have a big question for you20:08
jelknerready?20:08
jelknerACTION waits for svaye to give him the go sign20:09
svayeyes jelkner 20:09
jelknerAre you interested in, or willing to, learn Spanish?20:10
svayeyes jelkner 20:10
jelknerwow, that's awesome20:10
jelknerbecause SECOSOL will be needing a bookkeeper20:10
jelknerand the coop members of SECOSOL will mainly be Latina women20:11
jelknerwho speak Spanish20:11
jelknerklarios says she can help you with that20:11
jelknerand do translation for you in the early few years20:12
svayethat's awesome20:12
jelknerbut we definitely would like to hire you as our bookkeeper / business trainer20:12
jelknerthe big idea is that SECOSOL would offer your services to the new businesses it helps get started20:12
jelknerthat's the model20:12
jelknersmall worker coops would not have to do their own bookkeeping and tax filing for the first few years they operate20:13
jelknerSECOSOL would provide it for them20:13
jelknerwe can get funding for that20:13
jelknerwhich will pay your salary20:13
jelknerso you could be the first of the jetro folks not funded by jelkner ;-)20:14
klariosI am glad to make the commitment to be a language mentor for you! svaye 20:14
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klariosregardless the reason, its always great to understand cultures through languages, I am happy to be part of that20:14
svayesame here klarios, I am looking forward to learning a lot from you20:15
klariosno worries! lets exchange contacts20:17
svayeI have your telegram phone number20:18
klariosgreat! we can communicate through there as well20:18
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jelknergreat to see you Marin 20:27
jelkneri mean mulbah 20:27
jelknerlol20:27
jelknertab complete20:27
jelknerMarin is here with me20:27
jelknermulbah, please be at our meeting saturday20:28
jelknersince we'll talk more about the Jetro office20:28
mulbahokay Jeff20:28
Ved!agenda20:30
WebsterssAgenda for meeting 'DiscussingOfficePlans':20:30
deveshOkay everyone, let's get started. 20:30
devesh!help20:30
WebsterssAvailable commands: !add, !agenda, !createmeeting, !endmeeting, !help, !listmeetings, !remove, !startmeeting, !stopmeeting20:30
devesh!listmeetings20:30
WebsterssScheduled meetings:20:30
Websterss- DiscussingOfficePlans: ET 2025-03-17 00:0020:30
VedJames will be joining in 5 minutes20:30
devesh!startmeeting NOVAWebWeeklyPlanning20:30
WebsterssMeeting 'NOVAWebWeeklyPlanning' is now active.20:30
devesh!agenda20:31
WebsterssAgenda for meeting 'NOVAWebWeeklyPlanning':20:31
deveshOkay, the first item on the agenda is the CPA update, but for now let's hit agenda item two since James is not yet here.20:31
deveshRapid skills building plan 20:31
anthony_pwhat is the rapid skills building plan?20:33
anthony_phas someone from the team formalized a plan, or is this a discussion to do so?20:33
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deveshOkay, let's move onto the CPA update.20:35
VedJames how's it going20:35
jamesoconnrIt's going very well, the project is nearing completion. I still need to put in more work on their other support request20:36
VedNice20:36
jelknerlet me add that i got off the phone with alex a few minutes ago20:36
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jelknerto quote him "we are glad we reached out to NOVA Web Development"20:36
VedOh good20:37
jelknerhe had nice things to say about jamesoconnr 20:37
jelknerthank you, jamesoconnr, you are representing us well!20:37
VedDid he say anything about me lol20:37
jelkneri didn't ask :-(20:37
jamesoconnrthanks to the business team for facilitating!20:37
VedThanks big man20:37
jelknerbut you know i love you, Ved ;-)20:37
deveshSpectacular work from Ved20:38
VedThanks jeff20:38
klariosgreat work all!20:38
deveshOkay, let's move onto the final item on our agenda: Websterss repo and development plan20:38
klarioswhat's the second item for? 20:39
johan_f+120:39
Vednot sure20:39
VedWho added it?20:40
anthony_pi would be willing to bet it's ledmers20:40
deveshah20:40
anthony_pi'm guessing he put the websterss into a repo20:40
klarios?? we can move on20:40
Ved+20:40
klariosask him when he's better20:41
deveshokay. Final item: Websterrs repo and dev plan20:41
VedHe'll be here soon20:41
VedIt was just a dentist check up20:41
jelknerVed, we could schedule that next week20:41
jelknershort meetings rock20:41
jelkneras long as they're productive20:42
jelknerand you all are really starting to get in the grove!20:42
anthony_pi'm still curious about the skill building item20:43
anthony_pwho put that in?20:43
devesh likely ledmer 20:43
deveshOkay that seems to be it!20:44
jamesoconnrThank you everyone!20:44
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anthony_pthanks everyone20:44
deveshHave a great day everyone. 20:45
jelknerthanks all20:45
jelknergreat meeting20:45
johan_fsee everyone later20:45
VedYep20:45
Vedpc20:45
devesh!endmeeting NOVAWebWeeklyPlanning20:45
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klariosthank you all!20:46
gabriel_jetrookay, bye everyone...20:46
jelkneranthony_p, should we start the jitsi?20:47
jelknerno one is here yet20:47
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anthony_pi'll start it jelkner20:49
anthony_pstarted20:50
jelknerwhat's the url?20:50
anthony_phttps://meet.mayfirst.org/DNOVA_Summit_202520:50
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jelknerthomasboimah, dcammue, can you hear us?21:23
thomasboimah+1 jelkner 21:24
thomasboimahI am following the conversation21:24
thomasboimahis just that i mute my speaker, since i don't have anything to say21:24
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