| thomasboimah | Yesterday, I worked with zOnny to create the do-not-reply@novawebdevelopment.coop | 12:00 |
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| thomasboimah | email for NWD and set up the custom email.html template for Secosol. We also linked the PBS documentary on Secosol’s homepage using a button-based approach. Today, I’ll be working with zOnny on migrating our Linode instances to MayFirst. No blocker. | 12:00 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION done | 12:00 |
| dcammue | Yesterday, I was abl3 to get some understanding of the W-2, 3, 4, and 1099, 1023 forms from my research i did. Today, i will recap to get a better understanding of thoses forms | 12:00 |
| zOnny | Yesterday, Thomas and I had a productive brainstorming session focused on enhancing LibreOrganize. Today marks the beginning of our migration of Linode projects to MayFirst, which is a fantastic step towards streamlining our operations and leveraging the benefits of MayFirst's robust infrastructure. No Blockers. | 12:00 |
| dcammue | ACTION done | 12:00 |
| zOnny | ACTION done | 12:00 |
| jelkner | Let's talk about which projects to migrate | 12:01 |
| jelkner | The organizations that are May First members should migrate | 12:01 |
| jelkner | that means Jetro, NOVA, SECOSOL, and SJC (though SJC is currently a simple github pages site, so it isn't costing anything) | 12:02 |
| zOnny | I see | 12:02 |
| jelkner | zOnny, you shouldn't migrate sites that are not members | 12:02 |
| jelkner | so we need to identify those | 12:02 |
| klarios | yesterday I worked on the estimate for ANCCF. I was hoping for cjones to join but he will be busy, he mentioned he will talk to jelkner about what we give him tofay | 12:03 |
| zOnny | What do we do with those that aren't partners? | 12:03 |
| jelkner | klarios, we received the last check from CPA, and i deposited it. | 12:04 |
| zOnny | *members* | 12:04 |
| jelkner | list them, zOnny | 12:04 |
| jelkner | and let's figure that out | 12:04 |
| jelkner | we either need to get them on their own hosted linodes | 12:04 |
| zOnny | keep hosting their sites without invoicing them | 12:04 |
| jelkner | NO! | 12:04 |
| jelkner | we can't do that | 12:04 |
| klarios | got it +1 | 12:04 |
| jelkner | be concrete | 12:05 |
| jelkner | make a list of everything we have | 12:05 |
| jelkner | and let's talk about them one-by-one | 12:05 |
| jelkner | dcammue will need to become familiar with all our hosted sites too | 12:05 |
| jelkner | as many of us as possible need to know what we have | 12:05 |
| jelkner | so we can figure out together what to do with it | 12:06 |
| jelkner | you can come to me for the claudia jones school website, for example | 12:06 |
| klarios | weve got fees from hostwinds as well | 12:06 |
| zOnny | that is the problem jelkner. I don't actually have access to those servers anymore | 12:06 |
| klarios | Im not completely sure what is being hosted there at all | 12:06 |
| jelkner | zOnny, you need access to *everything* | 12:06 |
| zOnny | it took me time to get credentials | 12:06 |
| jelkner | well, y'all need to figure it out | 12:07 |
| jelkner | we can't run a business like this ;-) | 12:07 |
| jelkner | we need access to what we have | 12:07 |
| jelkner | so, how do you get the access you need? | 12:07 |
| zOnny | I restart the linode in order to create a new ones | 12:08 |
| jelkner | ?? | 12:08 |
| jelkner | zOnny, as the account holder, linode provides ways for you to get a root shell on every machine | 12:08 |
| jelkner | one-by-one, get a root shell on a machine, log in to it | 12:09 |
| jelkner | and figure out what is there | 12:09 |
| zOnny | on it | 12:09 |
| klarios | ahh the hostwind is on zOnny 's name | 12:09 |
| jelkner | i don't even know what hostwind is | 12:09 |
| klarios | it says we have a "unmanaged ssd cloud 2" | 12:10 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, dcammue i hope you are paying attention to this conversation | 12:10 |
| klarios | https://192.119.87.5/mail/ | 12:10 |
| klarios | its hosting the MSP mail server | 12:11 |
| thomasboimah | following closely | 12:11 |
| jelkner | wow | 12:11 |
| klarios | on roundcube | 12:11 |
| jelkner | so we need to figure out MSP too | 12:11 |
| jelkner | i'll be treasurer of MSP starting this year | 12:11 |
| dcammue | +1 following | 12:11 |
| klarios | isnt msp being hosted on mayfirst? | 12:12 |
| jelkner | the "moral of the story", dcammue and thomasboimah, is that it is hard to succeed as a business when you don't keep good records, or work efficiently | 12:12 |
| jelkner | we have struggled at NOVA web because it was student run | 12:13 |
| jelkner | and students come and go | 12:13 |
| jelkner | in this "4th and final reboot" | 12:13 |
| jelkner | i'm counting on y'all at Jetro to stay around for a long time | 12:13 |
| jelkner | so this doesn't happen again | 12:13 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:13 |
| jelkner | as life proceeds, some of you will still move on to other things | 12:14 |
| jelkner | but at a rate that permits new people to be brought on board | 12:14 |
| dcammue | Sure | 12:14 |
| jelkner | so that institutional knowledge does not keep getting lost | 12:14 |
| jelkner | it takes time to learn about our operations | 12:15 |
| jelkner | time and hard work | 12:15 |
| jelkner | and attention to detail | 12:15 |
| jelkner | all of that is expensive | 12:15 |
| jelkner | and when we keep starting over and over | 12:15 |
| jelkner | we loose | 12:15 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 12:15 |
| jelkner | anyway, we don't have to do all this at once | 12:16 |
| jelkner | but let's please stay on it | 12:16 |
| klarios | yep, with the need to keep growing, there is also the need to provide enough infrastructure for anyone who is new, to join | 12:16 |
| klarios | indeed +1 | 12:16 |
| jelkner | each month we should have a smaller bill from linode | 12:16 |
| jelkner | don't rush, but don't forget about it either | 12:17 |
| jelkner | keep on it | 12:17 |
| jelkner | until we have it fully under our control | 12:17 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 12:17 |
| klarios | and no bill from any hosting, sadly we are bapying $10/ month from hostwinds | 12:17 |
| zOnny | PRT-06 (James Dempsey Healing Arts, MMALO) PRT-05 (Citizen Command Center) PRT-03 (Maryland Latino Caucus) NWD-01 (Business Tracker, Little Webster) | 12:17 |
| klarios | that was quick! | 12:17 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:17 |
| jelkner | nice | 12:17 |
| jelkner | wow, what a mix | 12:17 |
| jelkner | James Dempsey Healing Arts was a Louie thing | 12:18 |
| zOnny | We do have three separate servers for DCD-01 DCD-02 DCD-TEST (Assuming Decidim sites) | 12:18 |
| klarios | last time we knew of prt 05, we agreed to shut it down right? | 12:18 |
| klarios | i think louis was the contact for them | 12:18 |
| jelkner | Ask Tony | 12:18 |
| jelkner | but i think that makes sense | 12:18 |
| jelkner | but ask Tony | 12:18 |
| jelkner | they were his | 12:18 |
| klarios | one of them is for the NWD decidim | 12:19 |
| klarios | another one for the dnova | 12:19 |
| klarios | and the other one a test server | 12:19 |
| jelkner | ask tony | 12:19 |
| klarios | although the NWD decidim is using the old mail server so its kind of useless | 12:19 |
| jelkner | but i think we can take down the test server | 12:19 |
| klarios | +1 | 12:19 |
| jelkner | and we aren't using a NWD decidim | 12:19 |
| jelkner | we won't in the near future either | 12:20 |
| jelkner | we will be using NOVASEN | 12:20 |
| jelkner | one last thing | 12:20 |
| klarios | yep, I say we back it up and shut it down (NWD ) | 12:20 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, dcammue this is also really important for you to pay attention to!! | 12:20 |
| jelkner | y'all need to keep track of what you do with your time | 12:21 |
| jelkner | so you can bill for it!! | 12:21 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, dcammue this is what i've been saying to you for a year | 12:21 |
| jelkner | but now it is time to do it | 12:21 |
| jelkner | if you want to expand the comrades at Jetro who are getting paid | 12:21 |
| jelkner | they need to: | 12:21 |
| jelkner | 1. Develop useful, billable skills | 12:22 |
| jelkner | 2. Do billable work using those skills | 12:22 |
| jelkner | 3. Track what they did and how long it took them | 12:22 |
| jelkner | 4. BILL FOR THEIR WORK | 12:22 |
| jelkner | rinse, lather, repeat ;-) | 12:22 |
| klarios | +1 | 12:23 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, dcammue do you understand me? | 12:23 |
| dcammue | Sure | 12:23 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 12:23 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:23 |
| jelkner | well then, let's please start doing that | 12:23 |
| jelkner | we have a lot of work to do | 12:23 |
| jelkner | i'm asking you two (who show up regularly) to talk to the rest of the Jetro team and find out who else wants work | 12:24 |
| jelkner | then have serious discussions with them about what they can do to help us move forward, for which they can bill | 12:24 |
| jelkner | that's what the grant is for | 12:24 |
| jelkner | to get you jump started | 12:24 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, dcammue let's talk more about this at our stand up tomorrow | 12:25 |
| jelkner | right now i should let you get to work | 12:25 |
| jelkner | anything else for me? | 12:25 |
| jelkner | klarios, you never called me yesterday | 12:25 |
| jelkner | can we talk today? | 12:25 |
| klarios | I did just a bit too late | 12:25 |
| klarios | :( | 12:26 |
| jelkner | lol | 12:26 |
| jelkner | i'm an early bird klarios | 12:26 |
| dcammue | Sure, but asking who wants to work will make everyone will be saying i want to, i want to."" But we will determine by their seriousness | 12:26 |
| klarios | I can call all day today, ill be home | 12:26 |
| jelkner | klarios, let me call you when my wife wakes up | 12:26 |
| klarios | +1 | 12:26 |
| zOnny | So let's recap the DCD servers should be consulted with tony, yes? | 12:26 |
| jelkner | otherwise my loud voice will get her mad ;-) | 12:26 |
| jelkner | ok, if no one needs me, i'll sign off and get back to teacher work | 12:27 |
| dcammue | Yes, | 12:27 |
| dcammue | I want to know something | 12:27 |
| jelkner | Yes? dcammue, what do you mean? | 12:27 |
| jelkner | Yes i can leave? Yes i can do teacher work? Or yes you need me for something? | 12:28 |
| dcammue | You said that secosol has one employee for the past three month | 12:28 |
| dcammue | Roght? | 12:28 |
| dcammue | Right? | 12:28 |
| jelkner | No, for January, February and March, 2025 | 12:28 |
| jelkner | The *first* three months of the last year | 12:29 |
| jelkner | not the last three months | 12:29 |
| dcammue | So will secosol file the W-3 along for with the w-2 at january 31 2026? | 12:29 |
| jelkner | Johanna' paid position ended on March 31st | 12:29 |
| jelkner | No, dcammue | 12:29 |
| jelkner | We have no employees now | 12:29 |
| dcammue | Okay, | 12:30 |
| jelkner | so i think we don't need to file any payroll forms | 12:30 |
| jelkner | it is good you are asking these questions | 12:30 |
| jelkner | you promised to make the meeting wednesday | 12:30 |
| jelkner | let's talk with Devesh then | 12:30 |
| dcammue | So it work at the beginning of the year right? If you have employee | 12:30 |
| jelkner | Johanna was our employee at the beginning of 2025 | 12:31 |
| jelkner | We have no employees now | 12:31 |
| dcammue | Did you file for her the w-3 form | 12:31 |
| jelkner | i don't know | 12:31 |
| jelkner | Ved was taking care of all that | 12:31 |
| jelkner | Devesh should know | 12:31 |
| dcammue | But you did pay her? | 12:31 |
| jelkner | so please write down your questions | 12:32 |
| jelkner | yes, we definitely paid her | 12:32 |
| jelkner | i set that up | 12:32 |
| dcammue | And withheld payroll tax from her? | 12:32 |
| klarios | most likely not? | 12:33 |
| jelkner | "Witholding payroll tax" is a funny thing | 12:33 |
| jelkner | it is just an accounting concept | 12:33 |
| klarios | quite an annoyance to deal with | 12:33 |
| jelkner | you have to send money to the IRS | 12:33 |
| jelkner | that's what it means | 12:33 |
| dcammue | Okay, i will ask on next meeting time | 12:33 |
| dcammue | Yes, i know | 12:33 |
| jelkner | thanks, my friend | 12:34 |
| jelkner | Devesh is the one to ask | 12:34 |
| jelkner | and if you are ready to ask good questions like this, then he can work with you like i asked him to | 12:34 |
| jelkner | that's our goal | 12:34 |
| jelkner | anything else for me before i go, dcammue? | 12:35 |
| dcammue | No | 12:35 |
| dcammue | Thanks | 12:35 |
| dcammue | See you on tomorrow | 12:36 |
| jelkner | okie dokie, see you tomorrow on #jetrowebdev at this same time | 12:36 |
| jelkner | klarios, i'll call you between 9 and 10 am | 12:36 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for today | 12:36 |
| klarios | +1 great | 12:36 |
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| zOnny | Kei can we recap about the servers | 12:37 |
| klarios | +1 I was going to update on the estimate, but lets do that first | 12:37 |
| zOnny | PRT-06 (James Dempsey Healing Arts, MMALO) | 12:38 |
| zOnny | are both of these partners are actively using their websites? | 12:38 |
| zOnny | btw, what does MMALO stands for? | 12:39 |
| klarios | mujeres manos a la obra | 12:40 |
| klarios | they are a cleaning coop | 12:40 |
| klarios | part of secosol | 12:40 |
| klarios | they are using their website but also mentioned they want to update it (especially their prices) | 12:41 |
| zOnny | we can do that | 12:41 |
| zOnny | but should they paid their server fee? | 12:41 |
| klarios | +1 | 12:41 |
| zOnny | or should we move it to mayfirst? | 12:41 |
| klarios | Its been a year of good operation for them, they can afford to pay it, but it will be hard for them to set up | 12:41 |
| klarios | if we can move it to mayfirst that'd be ideal | 12:42 |
| zOnny | can we create a linode account for them | 12:42 |
| zOnny | that is the point | 12:42 |
| klarios | since MMALO are a coop too | 12:42 |
| zOnny | hosting not mayfirst members will be a discussion again | 12:42 |
| zOnny | here is what I will suggest | 12:44 |
| zOnny | sicne they are not fully aware of linode | 12:44 |
| zOnny | they should receive an montly invoice for it | 12:44 |
| klarios | we will see them on feb 1st | 12:44 |
| klarios | i could quickly make them an account | 12:44 |
| klarios | as well | 12:44 |
| zOnny | yes | 12:45 |
| klarios | and save the data on our bitwarden | 12:45 |
| zOnny | I mean, not necessarily they need to have an account | 12:45 |
| zOnny | but since we are not good invoicing to our clients | 12:46 |
| klarios | we could bill them too but we already have incurred losses from all our clients with servers | 12:46 |
| zOnny | it will help us to not deal with it in the future | 12:46 |
| zOnny | I can start moving their site | 12:46 |
| klarios | alright I will call them | 12:47 |
| zOnny | so when they are ready to bring the credit card we should be able to switched | 12:47 |
| zOnny | *it* | 12:47 |
| klarios | we bill them for the servers now | 12:47 |
| klarios | and on feb 1st make them an account? | 12:47 |
| zOnny | we should be able to bill them for the whole 2025 year | 12:48 |
| klarios | we have to itemize each server | 12:48 |
| zOnny | $60 invoice | 12:49 |
| klarios | yep | 12:49 |
| klarios | that could work | 12:49 |
| zOnny | are we also hosting their domain? | 12:49 |
| zOnny | most likely, yes? | 12:49 |
| klarios | I should invoice $60 to james demsey healing arts, MMALO, and Md latino caucus | 12:50 |
| klarios | yep I think | 12:50 |
| klarios | do you have access to the namecheap | 12:50 |
| klarios | ? | 12:50 |
| zOnny | yes we should do that | 12:50 |
| zOnny | hold on | 12:51 |
| klarios | +1 | 12:51 |
| zOnny | yes we are hosting their domain | 12:54 |
| klarios | yep I figured | 12:54 |
| klarios | that's something we will have to change as well | 12:54 |
| klarios | so your proposal is for us to bill everyone $60 for the 2025 year and then bill for the itemized bill for name cheap | 12:55 |
| zOnny | from now on, those two things should be taking care of the customers' end | 12:56 |
| zOnny | no | 12:56 |
| klarios | so only the $60? | 12:57 |
| zOnny | we should be bill tho them for 2025 year invoice Linode Server hositing: $60.00 and Domain Service hosting $10.00 | 12:57 |
| klarios | alright | 12:57 |
| klarios | although we do still have the goal of transitioning them right? | 12:58 |
| zOnny | yes | 12:58 |
| klarios | got it, my bad I was confused on that | 12:58 |
| zOnny | it is something that clients don't usually like | 12:58 |
| klarios | not at all | 12:58 |
| klarios | it takes them a while | 12:59 |
| zOnny | but since we don't have anyone available to do the year invoicing | 12:59 |
| zOnny | Stefan and Adrian goal was to host them as many projects in one server | 12:59 |
| zOnny | so each gets to pay the $5.00 montly | 13:00 |
| klarios | I assume our bill is higher for a reason too. we have a couple of backups | 13:00 |
| zOnny | however we used to pay for one server only | 13:00 |
| klarios | so why did we end up buying so many? | 13:00 |
| zOnny | that is how mayfirst is doing with us | 13:00 |
| klarios | if we can put them all in one server? | 13:00 |
| zOnny | yes | 13:00 |
| zOnny | do you see PTR-06 | 13:00 |
| klarios | yep | 13:01 |
| zOnny | is hosting two projects | 13:01 |
| zOnny | the 1gb server can host as 5 LibreoOrganize projects | 13:01 |
| zOnny | did you see in the business tracker, yes? | 13:01 |
| klarios | yes I can see it there | 13:02 |
| zOnny | that was our goal | 13:02 |
| zOnny | that is how other server providers do | 13:02 |
| zOnny | mayfirst is doing the same with us | 13:02 |
| zOnny | since we are already paying membership | 13:02 |
| klarios | though the current charges now don't really amount to $60, its more than that | 13:03 |
| klarios | because of backups | 13:03 |
| zOnny | no | 13:03 |
| klarios | and some of that money will have to come from nWD | 13:03 |
| klarios | NWD | 13:03 |
| zOnny | it is because of the server space | 13:03 |
| klarios | ahh | 13:03 |
| klarios | server space | 13:03 |
| zOnny | the DCD are taking 4gb each | 13:03 |
| zOnny | instead of 1bg | 13:03 |
| klarios | does it need that much space? | 13:04 |
| zOnny | DCD-01 4gb, DCD-02 2gb, DCD-TST 4gb | 13:04 |
| zOnny | not sure about it | 13:05 |
| klarios | the test server is 4gb | 13:05 |
| klarios | quite unnecessary | 13:05 |
| zOnny | since I'm not involve in those projects | 13:05 |
| klarios | We have to find out which decidim instances are linked to which servers | 13:05 |
| klarios | then we can back up and shut down the NWD instance | 13:05 |
| zOnny | which NWD instace you are referring to? | 13:06 |
| zOnny | there is one NWD decidim? | 13:06 |
| klarios | https://decidim.novawebdevelopment.org/ | 13:06 |
| klarios | if you scroll up on irc, I talked about it as well | 13:06 |
| klarios | NWD is interested in keeping the blogs | 13:07 |
| klarios | from that page | 13:07 |
| klarios | nothing else | 13:07 |
| klarios | I will find a way to export the blogs | 13:07 |
| zOnny | ah | 13:07 |
| zOnny | I wasn't aware of this | 13:07 |
| zOnny | it is using postgrest I think | 13:08 |
| zOnny | we can back it up | 13:08 |
| zOnny | well, who did deploy this decidim? | 13:09 |
| zOnny | Stefan? | 13:09 |
| klarios | no tony did | 13:09 |
| klarios | we should arrange a meeting with him | 13:10 |
| klarios | this week | 13:10 |
| klarios | to tell us how we should proceed | 13:10 |
| zOnny | ah, it was for testing purposes? | 13:10 |
| klarios | especially if he is using those instances | 13:10 |
| klarios | yep the test one was | 13:10 |
| klarios | the NWD one, was mainly for getting used to the platform | 13:10 |
| klarios | from a user and organizer standpoint | 13:10 |
| klarios | but we could use the NWD one as a test instance ofc | 13:11 |
| zOnny | which of the servers is hosting this | 13:11 |
| klarios | I assume the tst is the test servevr | 13:11 |
| klarios | I dont know which one hosting the NWD instance | 13:11 |
| klarios | this is the other instance | 13:12 |
| klarios | :https://dnova.nextsystem.org/assemblies/council?locale=en | 13:12 |
| zOnny | thomasboimah do you have access to these servers? | 13:12 |
| klarios | I assume its dcd-02 | 13:12 |
| zOnny | There isn't record in the bitwarden about the credentials | 13:13 |
| zOnny | oh we should consult with tony then | 13:13 |
| zOnny | we can take it as a second approach? | 13:13 |
| klarios | there is a record but for the NWD decidim | 13:14 |
| klarios | its just called decidim | 13:14 |
| zOnny | ah | 13:14 |
| klarios | yep | 13:16 |
| klarios | I will set up a meeting with him | 13:16 |
| klarios | what day are you avaliable? | 13:16 |
| zOnny | I'm in DCD-TST | 13:16 |
| zOnny | it can be any day around 12:noon if possible | 13:17 |
| zOnny | that is the time I take my lunch break | 13:17 |
| klarios | alright | 13:18 |
| klarios | I can do tuesday and thursday | 13:18 |
| klarios | Ill see what day tony can do | 13:18 |
| zOnny | otherwise you can just ask about the status of those servers | 13:18 |
| klarios | oh youre in the tst server! | 13:18 |
| zOnny | what what is our goal | 13:18 |
| zOnny | yes | 13:18 |
| klarios | its better if we meet, this is our project anyways | 13:18 |
| zOnny | SOUNDS GOOD THEN | 13:18 |
| klarios | especially if we keep having issues with the NOVASEN decidim | 13:18 |
| zOnny | are you having issues with novasen? | 13:19 |
| klarios | yeah we have "bad internal server" issues | 13:19 |
| klarios | because the swiss company we are partnering with have a hosting service in the US | 13:19 |
| klarios | and that hosting server is unrealiable I think | 13:19 |
| zOnny | Well why not Linode? | 13:20 |
| klarios | I am only making an assumption, but we have had our instance not working for at least 3 times | 13:20 |
| klarios | in the last 2 months | 13:20 |
| klarios | because we dont control what the swiss company ultimately uses for hosting, I am not sure who they use>? | 13:20 |
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| zOnny | I see | 13:20 |
| zOnny | well, hopefully we get a way to host Decidim in the future | 13:21 |
| zOnny | walking with two legs than one | 13:22 |
| klarios | yep, we will bring it up when we meet with their rep | 13:22 |
| zOnny | cool | 13:22 |
| klarios | maybe they could use mayfirst | 13:22 |
| klarios | something we will ask if theyre willying to do | 13:22 |
| zOnny | our today's goal is to move irc and tracker to mayfirst | 13:22 |
| klarios | +1\ | 13:23 |
| klarios | nwd 01 | 13:23 |
| zOnny | so NWD-01 gets shut down | 13:23 |
| klarios | yep | 13:23 |
| zOnny | that's all | 13:23 |
| klarios | you've got to reach out to mayfirst right? | 13:23 |
| zOnny | Do you need the data from tracker? | 13:24 |
| klarios | we want to get to using it | 13:24 |
| klarios | although a lot of the data is old | 13:24 |
| klarios | and lots of accounts that arent needed | 13:24 |
| klarios | lots of outdated data | 13:24 |
| zOnny | we can back it up just in case | 13:24 |
| klarios | itd be easier to have a new install | 13:25 |
| klarios | +1 | 13:25 |
| zOnny | I think it is time to use it | 13:25 |
| zOnny | I think that it really can help us track the hours | 13:25 |
| zOnny | I did get the chance to logged in | 13:26 |
| klarios | I agree | 13:26 |
| klarios | especially for the jetro folks | 13:26 |
| klarios | great! | 13:26 |
| zOnny | yes. we should definitelly get tehm use it | 13:26 |
| zOnny | so the struggle of hours working gets registered there | 13:26 |
| zOnny | I think that is Jeff's concern | 13:26 |
| klarios | yep, we need to pay them for their time | 13:27 |
| klarios | its hard to keep track of hours witout a tool | 13:27 |
| zOnny | I agree | 13:27 |
| zOnny | thomasboimah and I will move the project to mayfirst | 13:28 |
| klarios | great! lets keep each other updated throughout the week about this | 13:29 |
| klarios | for now | 13:29 |
| zOnny | sounds good | 13:29 |
| klarios | I can invoice members and see what they say | 13:29 |
| zOnny | first think is to shut down NWD-01 | 13:29 |
| klarios | alright | 13:29 |
| zOnny | let's talk after that is done | 13:29 |
| klarios | +1 | 13:29 |
| zOnny | talk to you soon | 13:30 |
| zOnny | quick question | 13:30 |
| klarios | thank you! youll be getting an email from me tomorrow as well | 13:30 |
| klarios | yep? | 13:30 |
| zOnny | what is the update with the proposal | 13:31 |
| klarios | that;s what the email is on lol | 13:31 |
| klarios | but ill send you a draft on what we have now | 13:31 |
| klarios | since cjones is busy | 13:31 |
| klarios | we will get his input on monday | 13:31 |
| zOnny | feel free to share it if you want me to read it | 13:32 |
| zOnny | looking forward for you email then | 13:32 |
| zOnny | also | 13:33 |
| klarios | it should be on nextcloud? | 13:33 |
| zOnny | how much is the hostwings invoicing you? | 13:33 |
| klarios | $10 | 13:33 |
| klarios | per month | 13:33 |
| zOnny | that is right | 13:33 |
| klarios | and a small fee i think | 13:33 |
| zOnny | we needed 2gb for the email | 13:33 |
| zOnny | it isn't far from linode's pice | 13:34 |
| zOnny | not sure why I hosted with them | 13:34 |
| klarios | I think MSP is hosted on mayfirst | 13:34 |
| zOnny | I wanted to try how other servers providers do | 13:34 |
| klarios | I am not completely sure | 13:34 |
| zOnny | I was little bit crazy at that time | 13:34 |
| klarios | that's alright, as long as we do something about it now lol | 13:34 |
| klarios | were learning ;) | 13:35 |
| zOnny | wait | 13:35 |
| zOnny | MSP is hosted in mayfirst | 13:35 |
| zOnny | it is just the email hosted in hostwings? | 13:35 |
| klarios | yep | 13:36 |
| klarios | just the email | 13:36 |
| klarios | https://192.119.87.5/mail/ | 13:36 |
| zOnny | Are they using it? | 13:37 |
| klarios | im not sure | 13:37 |
| zOnny | What do we know about them | 13:37 |
| klarios | jelkner would know more | 13:37 |
| klarios | he is a member | 13:37 |
| zOnny | it is an easy way to get out of that | 13:37 |
| zOnny | we just put their credentials there | 13:37 |
| zOnny | they should be able to pay that, yes? | 13:38 |
| klarios | do we have their credentials? | 13:38 |
| zOnny | if they are using it | 13:38 |
| klarios | I think jelkner pays for that as well | 13:38 |
| zOnny | louis asked me awhile ago | 13:38 |
| klarios | well he would pay for it | 13:38 |
| zOnny | not sure if he changed it | 13:38 |
| zOnny | I thought he was moving it or shutting it down | 13:38 |
| klarios | ahh | 13:39 |
| klarios | its on bitwarden | 13:39 |
| zOnny | I can try today | 13:39 |
| klarios | its called: "hostwinds IREADMIN MSP" | 13:39 |
| zOnny | we shouldn't worry about it, yes> | 13:39 |
| zOnny | since that is our goal | 13:39 |
| zOnny | get them to pay for it | 13:39 |
| klarios | I can just bill Jelkner | 13:40 |
| klarios | for it | 13:40 |
| zOnny | not necessarily but yes | 13:41 |
| klarios | since he is a treasurer | 13:41 |
| zOnny | that's right | 13:41 |
| zOnny | if they don't want to get billed they should provide their credit card to it | 13:41 |
| zOnny | so they pay it by themselves | 13:42 |
| klarios | alright so that's on our to-do list too, I wonder if we pay for their dns too | 13:42 |
| klarios | +1 | 13:42 |
| zOnny | true | 13:42 |
| zOnny | I see hostwings an easy way to exit since it is a separate account | 13:43 |
| zOnny | unless they want linode :( | 13:43 |
| zOnny | can you mention to jeff about it in your call | 13:43 |
| klarios | +1 I will | 13:44 |
| klarios | he will be callng soon | 13:44 |
| zOnny | I will let you got I think you call will start at 9 | 13:44 |
| zOnny | *go* | 13:44 |
| klarios | yep, ive got to take some medicine before that | 13:44 |
| klarios | text me with any questions | 13:44 |
| klarios | or for anything | 13:44 |
| zOnny | will do thanks | 13:44 |
| klarios | bye bye! than you! | 13:45 |
| zOnny | thomasboimah | 13:45 |
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| zOnny | are you here | 13:45 |
| thomasboimah | Sorry, i step away | 13:46 |
| thomasboimah | i am here now | 13:46 |
| zOnny | no worries | 13:47 |
| zOnny | alright | 13:47 |
| zOnny | our todays goal is NWD-01 | 13:47 |
| thomasboimah | okay.. | 13:48 |
| zOnny | which one you want to go first? | 13:49 |
| zOnny | Little webster? | 13:49 |
| thomasboimah | okay | 13:49 |
| zOnny | are you familiar with it? | 13:49 |
| thomasboimah | yes | 13:50 |
| zOnny | what it is using | 13:52 |
| zOnny | postgrest? | 13:52 |
| thomasboimah | Something like that | 13:54 |
| zOnny | can you access as a root to that server | 13:56 |
| thomasboimah | yes | 13:56 |
| thomasboimah | on this NWD-01 we have several bot on it | 13:57 |
| zOnny | can you add my key into anuthorized_key | 13:57 |
| thomasboimah | okay | 13:57 |
| thomasboimah | done | 14:01 |
| zOnny | I see | 14:01 |
| zOnny | there are so many instances | 14:02 |
| zOnny | give me 5 min thomas | 14:05 |
| zOnny | I need to make my coffee | 14:05 |
| zOnny | ACTION goes to make his coffee | 14:05 |
| zOnny | alright | 14:19 |
| thomasboimah | Okay what we are going to be moving into Mayfirst is what is this directory: /srv/little-webster | 14:23 |
| zOnny | ok | 14:26 |
| zOnny | I'm trying to understand how it works | 14:29 |
| thomasboimah | I think little-website is on LO let me comfirm that | 14:29 |
| thomasboimah | little website is what we on now. the hexchat | 14:29 |
| thomasboimah | *this* hexchat | 14:30 |
| thomasboimah | https://irclogs.novawebdevelopment.org/ | 14:30 |
| zOnny | I'm trying to run it in my local first | 14:33 |
| zOnny | https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/little-webster/-/tree/main?ref_type=heads | 14:34 |
| zOnny | there is a repo for that | 14:34 |
| thomasboimah | yes | 14:34 |
| zOnny | it start making sense | 14:48 |
| zOnny | alright | 14:54 |
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| zOnny | where should we host it | 14:56 |
| thomasboimah | Novawebdev | 14:59 |
| zOnny | testing | 14:59 |
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| zOnny | thomasboimah | 15:11 |
| zOnny | quick question | 15:11 |
| thomasboimah | yeah | 15:11 |
| zOnny | do you have credentials to the novawebdev gitlab account? | 15:11 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 15:11 |
| zOnny | nvm I found it | 15:14 |
| zOnny | testing | 16:00 |
| zOnny | thomas are you there | 16:19 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 16:20 |
| zOnny | It doesn't connect from mayfirst server | 16:38 |
| zOnny | It should join the channel as it did from my local computer | 16:38 |
| thomasboimah | What did the process? | 16:40 |
| thomasboimah | *you* | 16:40 |
| zOnny | the little-webster has a config.ini file | 16:40 |
| thomasboimah | yes | 16:41 |
| zOnny | config.ini is the irc3 bot configuration | 16:42 |
| zOnny | as far I see the file, I assume that it tells the bot who it is, where to connect, what plugins to load, which channel to join, and where/how to log IRC traffic. | 16:44 |
| zOnny | Not sure if outbound IRC ports are block in mayfirst | 16:45 |
| thomasboimah | When moving it to mayfirst did you configure or change anything in the file? | 16:46 |
| thomasboimah | I mean the config.ini file | 16:47 |
| zOnny | yes | 16:47 |
| zOnny | the path | 16:47 |
| thomasboimah | yep | 16:47 |
| zOnny | to filename | 16:47 |
| zOnny | since we aren't using /srv | 16:47 |
| thomasboimah | Yes. where did you place it include or what? | 16:48 |
| zOnny | yes | 16:49 |
| thomasboimah | Do you think we will have to do scheduled job and web configuration? | 16:49 |
| thomasboimah | I am think that will be needed | 16:50 |
| thomasboimah | But not sure | 16:50 |
| zOnny | We may needMay First support to allow egress to irc.oftc.net:6697 | 16:51 |
| zOnny | In other words, we need an egress exception from May First support to irc.oftc.net:6697. Ask them to allow outbound IRC for it. | 16:54 |
| zOnny | From my local computer it connects to OFTC easily | 16:55 |
| zOnny | YOU SEE IT | 16:56 |
| thomasboimah | We need to set up schedule job for little websters | 16:56 |
| zOnny | maybe | 16:56 |
| thomasboimah | Yes we need to | 16:56 |
| zOnny | like a gunicorn schedule job? | 16:58 |
| thomasboimah | let site that. do you want to do it or i should do it? | 16:58 |
| thomasboimah | *set | 16:58 |
| zOnny | you can give it a try | 16:59 |
| zOnny | after that the logs channels needs to be copy to the logs directory | 16:59 |
| zOnny | since they are plain text | 17:00 |
| zOnny | are you trying it? | 17:04 |
| thomasboimah | yes | 17:04 |
| thomasboimah | zOnny, now carry the logs channels "novawebdev" to the logs directory and try to run it again let see | 17:12 |
| thomasboimah | If that not work we will have to contact MayFirst support and request an egress exception for irc.oftc.net:6697 | 17:16 |
| thomasboimah | But I think the file structure good | 17:17 |
| zOnny | it is there | 17:22 |
| zOnny | the bash start.sh doesn't connect | 17:23 |
| zOnny | it is outbouncing it | 17:23 |
| zOnny | I think it is the port we are we serving it | 17:24 |
| zOnny | *where* | 17:24 |
| zOnny | or what do you think it is | 17:32 |
| thomasboimah | From what all is good from our part we just need to contact MayFirst support and request an egress exception for irc.oftc.net:6697 since we have done we think need to be done | 17:36 |
| zOnny | Do you want to send the email? | 17:38 |
| thomasboimah | I can do that | 17:39 |
| thomasboimah | I can email they if you want today | 17:40 |
| thomasboimah | *them | 17:40 |
| zOnny | let's see what they say | 17:41 |
| zOnny | Once outbound is allowed and the bot can connect, logs should start writing again. | 17:44 |
| zOnny | that is my assumption | 17:44 |
| thomasboimah | We need to move sjcompute and Jetrowebdev bot too right? | 17:45 |
| zOnny | yes | 17:45 |
| zOnny | it seems that jetrowebdev has a lot of manunal changes in the server | 17:47 |
| zOnny | also sjcompute | 17:49 |
| thomasboimah | Yeah i think ledmer and Mulbah did that they was work on the server directly | 17:49 |
| thomasboimah | and that is bad | 17:49 |
| zOnny | it is ok | 17:49 |
| thomasboimah | I will need to get it to my compute locall the and create a branch for it and put it | 17:49 |
| thomasboimah | I will need to get it to my compute locally and create a branch for it and push to gitlab | 17:50 |
| zOnny | yes | 17:50 |
| zOnny | be careful with credentials | 17:50 |
| zOnny | always be aware of credentials when pushing to gitlab | 17:51 |
| zOnny | .gitignore is a good way to avoid it | 17:51 |
| zOnny | also it is a good practice to use bash scripts | 17:57 |
| zOnny | rather than absolute paths | 17:58 |
| zOnny | do you have any questions? | 18:02 |
| thomasboimah | -1 | 18:03 |
| zOnny | while we are waiting for mayfirst | 18:05 |
| zOnny | Can you set up business tracker in your local computer | 18:06 |
| zOnny | https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/business-tracker | 18:06 |
| zOnny | this is also another projects that needs to be moved | 18:06 |
| zOnny | out | 18:06 |
| zOnny | not sure if you are familiar witht his project | 18:07 |
| zOnny | *this* | 18:07 |
| thomasboimah | Yes a bit | 18:08 |
| thomasboimah | I can set the one up and move it to mayfirst | 18:09 |
| thomasboimah | *this | 18:09 |
| thomasboimah | since this is a normally web site | 18:09 |
| thomasboimah | *normal | 18:09 |
| zOnny | sounds good to me | 18:10 |
| thomasboimah | I am composing the email to mayfirst now | 18:10 |
| thomasboimah | should i cc you | 18:10 |
| thomasboimah | ? | 18:10 |
| zOnny | yes please | 18:10 |
| zOnny | to be in the loop | 18:10 |
| thomasboimah | sure | 18:10 |
| zOnny | I think you have things to do for the week | 18:12 |
| zOnny | let's catch up about business tracker next weekend | 18:12 |
| zOnny | For sure it is outdated as well | 18:13 |
| zOnny | you can create another branch and run the latest django | 18:13 |
| zOnny | and see what needs to be updated | 18:13 |
| thomasboimah | Okay will do that during the week | 18:14 |
| zOnny | It will be important for us to update the projects with the latest version | 18:14 |
| zOnny | that what developers do. update projects and fix the issues | 18:14 |
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| zOnny | alright | 18:16 |
| zOnny | let's call it a day | 18:17 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 18:17 |
| zOnny | see you next weekend | 18:18 |
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