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| thomasboimah | Good morning jelkner! | 10:06 |
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| thomasboimah | !agenda | 10:06 |
| Websterss | **Agenda for 'Novawebdev':** | 10:06 |
| thomasboimah | !help | 10:07 |
| Websterss | **Available Commands:** | 10:07 |
| Websterss | !agenda - Show agenda | 10:07 |
| Websterss | !listmeetings - List all meetings | 10:07 |
| Websterss | !deactivemeeting - Stop active meeting | 10:07 |
| Websterss | !remove - Remove agenda item | 10:07 |
| Websterss | !sethost - Change meeting host | 10:07 |
| Websterss | !finishmeeting - Delete meeting | 10:07 |
| Websterss | Type !help <command> for details (e.g., !help createmeeting) | 10:07 |
| jelkner | Here we are... | 10:20 |
| jelkner | i forgot, on Saturdays, we're here | 10:20 |
| thomasboimah | Yeah, jelkner I read the log and i learn that you and rel have meeting with zOnny with an agenda for today. | 10:21 |
| jelkner | All of us, thomasboimah | 10:21 |
| jelkner | today is a big deal for us | 10:21 |
| jelkner | we are having our Annual Meeting where we sign our operating agreement and begin planning for the year ahead | 10:21 |
| thomasboimah | Yep. But rel could just add the agenda here is our bot:-) | 10:21 |
| thomasboimah | *in | 10:22 |
| jelkner | we are heading to Harper's Ferry West Virginia | 10:25 |
| jelkner | https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/search.html?city=Harpers+Ferry&state=West+Virginia&viewbox=-78.81866%2C39.68881%2C-77.87453%2C39.12165&accept-language=en-US%2Cen | 10:25 |
| dcammue | good morning jelkner thomasboimah | 10:25 |
| thomasboimah | Good morning dcammue | 10:25 |
| jelkner | It's about an hour and a 1/2 drive from where I live. | 10:25 |
| jelkner | Good morning dcammue | 10:25 |
| jelkner | Can we meet now dcammue and thomasboimah? | 10:26 |
| dcammue | yes | 10:26 |
| jelkner | Since I'm going out of town | 10:26 |
| jelkner | i need to get my Monday lessons ready before i leave | 10:26 |
| jelkner | let's talk about the inventory | 10:26 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, thomas is wishing he was there now to go with you guys to Harper's;-) | 10:26 |
| thomasboimah | sure | 10:26 |
| dcammue | when you will be back? | 10:26 |
| dcammue | sure | 10:26 |
| jelkner | ACTION goes to open the inventory spreadsheet | 10:27 |
| jelkner | btw, the replacement batter for the Dell Rugged has arrived | 10:28 |
| jelkner | what did you just do, dcammue | 10:29 |
| jelkner | ? | 10:29 |
| jelkner | you moved the machine names down | 10:29 |
| jelkner | so they aren't on the right line any more | 10:29 |
| dcammue | i just fix it | 10:29 |
| jelkner | This will be a good opportunity for you to learn some spreadsheet use | 10:30 |
| dcammue | i see gnucash and decidim | 10:30 |
| jelkner | yes, so let's make me the project manager for this little project | 10:30 |
| jelkner | and use it as a chance to continue building our skills | 10:30 |
| jelkner | i want to update this spreadsheet ASAP | 10:30 |
| thomasboimah | Thanks | 10:30 |
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| jelkner | and here is what i'm asking for: | 10:30 |
| jelkner | 1. Let's pick a theme for naming the machines of free software applications | 10:31 |
| jelkner | 2. let's update the OS on each machine to one of two if possible: | 10:31 |
| jelkner | a. Linuxmint DE 7 | 10:32 |
| jelkner | b. PeppermintOS | 10:32 |
| jelkner | b. will be for older machines, a. for newer ones | 10:32 |
| dcammue | okay got you | 10:32 |
| jelkner | so i will be looking for changes to the spreadsheet as you update the machines | 10:33 |
| jelkner | if you need help setting the hostname, thomasboimah can probably help you | 10:33 |
| jelkner | if not, i can | 10:33 |
| thomasboimah | dcammue, I am just a call away | 10:33 |
| thomasboimah | if you and gabriel need me | 10:33 |
| jelkner | $ sudo hostnamectl set-hostname <hostname> | 10:33 |
| dcammue | jelkner, if you say older machines, the first one you brought, and the newer machines are the last one you sent by Mr. Zawolo | 10:34 |
| dcammue | ? | 10:34 |
| jelkner | but if you are reinstalling, you can choose the new hostname then | 10:34 |
| jelkner | you will be the judge, dcammue | 10:34 |
| jelkner | but i'll be glad to answer questions | 10:34 |
| jelkner | it looks like all the machines on the list can run linuxmint | 10:35 |
| dcammue | yes | 10:35 |
| jelkner | i put peppermintos on the gnucash machine | 10:35 |
| dcammue | okay | 10:36 |
| jelkner | because even though it has 16 G RAM, it has a Celeron processor and runs kind of slow | 10:36 |
| jelkner | it just feels more "zippy" with PeppermintOS | 10:36 |
| jelkner | but the ASUS machines are *super* responsible with Linuxmint! | 10:37 |
| jelkner | if you do your job, I'll bring 4 of them | 10:37 |
| jelkner | but you have to earn them by getting this inventory up-to-date | 10:37 |
| jelkner | Deal? | 10:37 |
| jelkner | ACTION waits for dcammue to agree to the deal ;-) | 10:38 |
| dcammue | +1 deal!!!! | 10:38 |
| jelkner | lol | 10:38 |
| jelkner | cool | 10:38 |
| dcammue | Big deal ;-) | 10:38 |
| thomasboimah | ;-) | 10:38 |
| jelkner | i want to know that you have the skills now to manage this equipment before i bring more | 10:38 |
| jelkner | So peppermint os 11 is an old os now | 10:39 |
| dcammue | jelkner, i can't wait seeing you in jetroweb office behind the desk with your super fast computer :-) | 10:39 |
| jelkner | btw, who has which of these machines? | 10:40 |
| jelkner | We may need another column: Issued To | 10:40 |
| dcammue | thomasboimah, and mulbah has the HP | 10:40 |
| jelkner | that lists which Jetro member has which machine | 10:40 |
| jelkner | hold on... | 10:40 |
| dcammue | which has the peppermint 0s 11 | 10:40 |
| jelkner | look at the spreadsheet now | 10:41 |
| jelkner | in the future, each member should be updating their own machines | 10:42 |
| jelkner | Linuxmint is a great os to stick with | 10:42 |
| dcammue | but the Issued to is in the notes session | 10:42 |
| thomasboimah | dcammue, i plan to change my OS since i have a ventoy | 10:42 |
| jelkner | there will be upgrade tools to allow for upgrading one version to the next without reinstalling | 10:42 |
| jelkner | Ah | 10:43 |
| thomasboimah | I am will backup my data and try to do that today | 10:43 |
| thomasboimah | *I will | 10:43 |
| dcammue | i have the names of those who own them | 10:43 |
| thomasboimah | *try | 10:43 |
| jelkner | Since that is such important info | 10:43 |
| jelkner | it makes sense to put it in a column by itself i think | 10:43 |
| jelkner | and closer to the left side of the spreadsheet | 10:43 |
| dcammue | yes | 10:43 |
| dcammue | easy to access | 10:44 |
| jelkner | notes should be for things you only look at for particular machines | 10:44 |
| jelkner | not a "global view" | 10:44 |
| jelkner | and you need to scroll right to see them | 10:44 |
| dcammue | okay | 10:44 |
| jelkner | and there is a lot of detail you need to read | 10:44 |
| jelkner | so it's slow | 10:44 |
| dcammue | okay | 10:44 |
| jelkner | ok, any other questions about this? | 10:45 |
| jelkner | In fact, Issued To could actually be moved over next to machine name | 10:45 |
| jelkner | since we will mostly be concerned with which Jetro members have the compute that they need | 10:46 |
| dcammue | that's the best place for it | 10:46 |
| dcammue | i will do that today | 10:47 |
| jelkner | hold on | 10:47 |
| jelkner | ouch | 10:48 |
| jelkner | i don't know how the left column became column H | 10:48 |
| jelkner | i need to fix that | 10:48 |
| jelkner | dcammue, i had to fix it with LibreOffice Calc, but it's fixed now | 10:53 |
| jelkner | spreadsheets are interesting documents | 10:53 |
| dcammue | sure, thanks | 10:54 |
| jelkner | they are more compatible with different software the word processing documents are | 10:54 |
| jelkner | you can edit a spreadsheet in Only Office | 10:54 |
| dcammue | +1 | 10:54 |
| jelkner | load it in Gnumeric | 10:55 |
| jelkner | save your changes | 10:55 |
| jelkner | and even edit it in the evil exel | 10:55 |
| jelkner | and it will still work ;-) | 10:55 |
| jelkner | anyway, check what i just did | 10:56 |
| jelkner | i froze the first 3 columns | 10:56 |
| jelkner | so now you can scroll the other columns | 10:56 |
| jelkner | and the device type, name, and issued to columns won't move | 10:56 |
| jelkner | do you see those changes? | 10:57 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, did you see the email i sent to the nova web members about Zulip? | 10:58 |
| thomasboimah | I see it | 10:58 |
| dcammue | i am see the data under column H | 10:58 |
| thomasboimah | Nope let me check my mail | 10:58 |
| jelkner | don't save, dcammue! | 10:58 |
| jelkner | close the application and don't save! | 10:58 |
| jelkner | i think if you save, you will overwrite my changes | 10:58 |
| jelkner | how are you editing it? | 10:59 |
| jelkner | with which program? | 10:59 |
| jelkner | Good morning zOnny | 10:59 |
| zOnny | good morning comrades | 10:59 |
| jelkner | and gabriel_jetro | 10:59 |
| zOnny | Over the past few days, I have been focused on Business Tracker updates, along with some cleanup work on the Little Webster project over the weekend. Today, I will be out in WV with the NovaWebDev team for a social and decision-making gathering. No blockers. | 11:00 |
| zOnny | ACTION done | 11:00 |
| dcammue | i open in the nextcloud software | 11:00 |
| gabriel_jetro | Good morning jelkner | 11:00 |
| jelkner | ACTION I'm preparing for the NOVA Web annual meeting. | 11:00 |
| jelkner | No blockers | 11:00 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 11:00 |
| jelkner | dcammue, that is Only Office | 11:00 |
| jelkner | https://www.onlyoffice.com/ | 11:01 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, did you see that email? | 11:01 |
| thomasboimah | What is the subject of the meail | 11:01 |
| thomasboimah | mail? | 11:01 |
| thomasboimah | is it this: Another datum in the never ending AI conversation... | 11:02 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:02 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION going to read it | 11:02 |
| jelkner | i wanted to make sure you understood the point being made | 11:02 |
| jelkner | basically, AI slop has made a hot mess for the Zulip devs | 11:02 |
| jelkner | Zulip is FOSS | 11:03 |
| jelkner | based on Django | 11:03 |
| jelkner | so each year they receive contributions from volunteers (mostly young folks) looking to establish their reputations and build their resumes | 11:03 |
| jelkner | around the time of Google Summer of Code | 11:04 |
| zOnny | jelkner: they should hire Novawebdev to cleanup the mess | 11:04 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:04 |
| jelkner | nice zOnny | 11:04 |
| smohamud | +1 | 11:04 |
| jelkner | so they get *A LOT* of pull requests from college students and such looking to get a paid Google Summer of Code internship | 11:05 |
| jelkner | this makes a lot of work for the Zulip devs | 11:05 |
| jelkner | they have to wander through a lot of shit code looking for a few gems | 11:05 |
| jelkner | this year was the worst | 11:05 |
| jelkner | AI slop led to them finding NO gems :-( | 11:06 |
| jelkner | just shit | 11:06 |
| jelkner | stuff like zOnny found in our bot | 11:06 |
| jelkner | crap put their by someone who had no idea what they were doing | 11:06 |
| jelkner | so they are coming up with a new policy which we should make note of: | 11:07 |
| jelkner | End-to-end human responsibility for work and the communication | 11:07 |
| jelkner | around it. You always need to understand, test, and explain the | 11:07 |
| jelkner | changes you’re proposing to make, whether or not you used an LLM as | 11:07 |
| jelkner | part of your process to produce them. | 11:07 |
| jelkner | Clear and concise communication about points that actually require | 11:08 |
| jelkner | discussion. While we allow carefully edited AI-generated PR | 11:08 |
| jelkner | descriptions, we’ve had to ban AI-generated chat messages in the | 11:08 |
| jelkner | development community as too disruptive. | 11:08 |
| zOnny | jelkner: the corcern comes AI code injection without awareness of what it is doing | 11:08 |
| jelkner | +1 zOnny | 11:08 |
| jelkner | you got it | 11:08 |
| jelkner | i see it all the time with my students | 11:08 |
| jelkner | the really bright ones can use AI to help make them more productive | 11:08 |
| jelkner | the less intelligent ones use it to lead them off a cliff | 11:09 |
| zOnny | jelkner: +1 | 11:09 |
| smohamud | and the more intelligent ones become less intelligent by relying on it too much.... | 11:09 |
| jelkner | where they plunge to their deaths | 11:09 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:09 |
| jelkner | this conversation won't go away | 11:10 |
| smohamud | something that makes sense to me is | 11:10 |
| jelkner | since it is the times we are living in | 11:10 |
| jelkner | so we should keep talking about it | 11:10 |
| jelkner | yes, smohamud? | 11:10 |
| zOnny | jelkner: It won't. I'm already getting overwhelmed with emails generated by AI | 11:10 |
| smohamud | use AI to free up higher-order thinking resources for bigger-picture systems-level architectural decisions rather than nitty gritty logic/coding. | 11:10 |
| jelkner | yes smohamud | 11:10 |
| jelkner | but keep in mind the clear and present danger in our current situation | 11:11 |
| jelkner | we have younger devs who don't yet know how to do that "higher-order thinking" | 11:11 |
| zOnny | jelkner: We are losing our way of thinking with AI superpowers :) | 11:11 |
| jelkner | and the watch the "big boys" play with AI | 11:11 |
| jelkner | so they want to do it too | 11:11 |
| jelkner | and they follow it off a cliff to their early deaths as good devs | 11:11 |
| smohamud | I spent almost 6 hours trying to figure out one of the nastiest conditional statements of my career and how to fix it... The AI didn't instantly give me a solution, but, it proposed an ingenious solution that was obviously part of the solution, and it did it in 2m | 11:11 |
| jelkner | so we need to be good mentors | 11:11 |
| smohamud | The problems that are well-documented and other developers have faced have incredible resources through AI... | 11:12 |
| jelkner | yes, i understand how helpful it can be | 11:12 |
| jelkner | because of my religion (I worship the FOSS God ;-) | 11:12 |
| jelkner | i *only* use Deepseek | 11:12 |
| smohamud | My issue was, I had an object with two keys, and I need to concatenate them with a "dash" in between them, while maintaining a normal flow of concatenating all other keys I pass in an array to the function... | 11:12 |
| jelkner | because i don't want to be a slave | 11:12 |
| jelkner | and Deepseek is the only one that won't enslave me | 11:13 |
| jelkner | since it is people's software | 11:13 |
| zOnny | jelkner: not yet | 11:13 |
| jelkner | lol | 11:13 |
| smohamud | I kept getting duplicates, where it concat twice, and the AI said "Just do the concat for *one* of the two keys... I was like duh | 11:13 |
| jelkner | you're right to be cautions zOnny | 11:13 |
| smohamud | And, it wrote a function that returned the concat, after doing a check on whether (a, b) existed or not... | 11:13 |
| jelkner | yes, I get it smohamud | 11:13 |
| jelkner | Deepseek is really the only way i can keep up with 4 difficult preps | 11:14 |
| smohamud | Deepseek wont enslave us | 11:14 |
| jelkner | i get is to propose quiz questions for me | 11:14 |
| jelkner | but i know enough to edit them | 11:14 |
| zOnny | jelkner: I think this conversation will not have an end any soon | 11:14 |
| jelkner | and choose which ones are good, and which ones are not | 11:14 |
| smohamud | However, China has many private models with hidden weights that aren't being released... I didn't realize lots being invested in that too. | 11:14 |
| smohamud | I believe DeepSeek releases all their weights in addition to the code. | 11:15 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:15 |
| jelkner | they do | 11:15 |
| zOnny | jelkner: CHINA | 11:15 |
| jelkner | all the models and all the source code is FOSS | 11:15 |
| smohamud | +1 | 11:15 |
| jelkner | that's their plan | 11:15 |
| jelkner | to make it better by leveraging the shared effort of the global community | 11:16 |
| smohamud | Something directly relevant to our work: has anyone done a vetted check of the FOSS/OS software stack we use to make sure they're safe from a cyber perspective? | 11:16 |
| jelkner | which part of the stack? | 11:16 |
| smohamud | I'm not sure I just know we prefer FOSS/OS | 11:16 |
| smohamud | The part we use to serve customers. | 11:17 |
| smohamud | And separately: Decidim. | 11:17 |
| jelkner | Django is one of the most popular web applications out there | 11:17 |
| smohamud | No no not Django | 11:17 |
| jelkner | #1 in Python land | 11:17 |
| smohamud | I'm thinking, the lesser used parts. And if we don | 11:17 |
| jelkner | like what? | 11:17 |
| smohamud | If we don't, we should be careful to do checks. We recently started using the OS payments gateway | 11:18 |
| jelkner | ah yes | 11:18 |
| smohamud | I'm not sure if anyone did due diligence on how robust and secure it is. | 11:18 |
| jelkner | we should always ask tony about that | 11:18 |
| smohamud | +1 | 11:18 |
| jelkner | he's our security guy | 11:18 |
| smohamud | what was the name of it? | 11:18 |
| jelkner | i don't know | 11:18 |
| jelkner | but tony was working with rachel on that | 11:18 |
| jelkner | so we can talk about it later today | 11:19 |
| zOnny | jelkner: Deepseek is the way to go | 11:19 |
| jelkner | +1! | 11:19 |
| jelkner | ok, i need to put in a few hours of teacher work before i leave at 10 | 11:19 |
| smohamud | +1 | 11:19 |
| zOnny | It really depends on our use case, priorities, and whether open-source matters to us. | 11:19 |
| jelkner | smohamud, zOnny see you in West Virginia! | 11:20 |
| smohamud | see you soon comrade | 11:20 |
| smohamud | see you soon, Zonny | 11:20 |
| jelkner | zOnny, FOSS is the hill I am willing to die on! | 11:20 |
| smohamud | Anything you want to chat about, Zonny? | 11:20 |
| jelkner | it is one of the 3 shared values of NOVA Web | 11:20 |
| jelkner | if we loose that | 11:20 |
| jelkner | i have no more interest :-( | 11:20 |
| jelkner | since stealing knowledge to me is a sin | 11:21 |
| zOnny | jelkner: that is the bottom line? | 11:21 |
| jelkner | and anything that isn't FOSS, is a crime | 11:21 |
| zOnny | jelkner: good point | 11:21 |
| jelkner | i live in a country built on stolen land using stolen labor | 11:22 |
| jelkner | where rich white ass holes became kings | 11:22 |
| jelkner | no more stealing!! | 11:22 |
| smohamud | But Jelkner we have to balance that with the need to survive and eventually thrive as a coop. | 11:22 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:23 |
| jelkner | i get that | 11:23 |
| zOnny | jelkner: unfortunately | 11:23 |
| smohamud | Nobody in the entire world lives values that 100% don't contradict, we live in contraditions. | 11:23 |
| jelkner | but i think we can thrive best by having principals | 11:23 |
| jelkner | opportunists are a dime a dozen | 11:23 |
| smohamud | If we get a 100x productivity boost by using Claude Code, for example, I will use Claude Code. | 11:23 |
| jelkner | if we just become opportunists | 11:23 |
| jelkner | no one will trust us | 11:23 |
| smohamud | Even 10x | 11:23 |
| jelkner | i want to work with people i trust | 11:23 |
| jelkner | just don't tell me about it smohamud | 11:24 |
| smohamud | Believe me, we're ahead of 99.9% of coops when it comes to transparency and working/living our principles. | 11:24 |
| zOnny | jelkner: great discussion today as AI space is moving fast | 11:24 |
| smohamud | 99.9% of businesses. | 11:24 |
| jelkner | i'll live in a bubble and pretend i don't know | 11:24 |
| smohamud | lolll | 11:24 |
| jelkner | when they come to get you | 11:24 |
| jelkner | i will cry for you | 11:24 |
| jelkner | but you will be their slave | 11:24 |
| smohamud | oh stop... | 11:24 |
| jelkner | and there will be nothing i can do ;-) | 11:24 |
| smohamud | This is an important discussion --- what are our red lines. | 11:25 |
| thomasboimah | lol | 11:25 |
| zOnny | ACTION is imagining the situation | 11:25 |
| jelkner | respect | 11:25 |
| smohamud | It's a discussion for when we have time, though, I know you have to go. | 11:25 |
| jelkner | if i ever get disrespectful | 11:25 |
| jelkner | please STOP me! | 11:25 |
| jelkner | ok, gotta go | 11:25 |
| smohamud | Ok, see you soon Jelkner. | 11:25 |
| jelkner | see you in WV smohamud | 11:25 |
| jelkner | Jetro, i won't be at the meeting tomorrow | 11:26 |
| jelkner | see you monday at our regular time | 11:26 |
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| zOnny | alright team | 11:26 |
| thomasboimah | I love this conversation today!!! | 11:26 |
| zOnny | this is a great discussion as each of us has their own perspectives on it | 11:26 |
| smohamud | +1 | 11:27 |
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| zOnny | we cannot disagree on what AI is doing at this time | 11:27 |
| zOnny | but we all can agree on how to use it | 11:27 |
| zOnny | meaning following principles and values that we all stand for | 11:28 |
| smohamud | +1 | 11:29 |
| thomasboimah | yep! | 11:29 |
| smohamud | Using it for CI/CD, code review, things like that to me are obviously good use cases we need to integrate. | 11:29 |
| zOnny | As a developer I'm amazed how AI is changing the curse of software engineering. however, the gaps of trusting it is not giving businesses the best outcome yet | 11:30 |
| smohamud | Trusting AI is dumb... | 11:30 |
| smohamud | We shouldn't Trust AI, at all. | 11:30 |
| smohamud | We should let it churn out code and perform operations we verify as humans. | 11:30 |
| zOnny | smohamud: we definitely not | 11:30 |
| smohamud | And, we should assume our data is being harvested and not private. | 11:30 |
| smohamud | AI isn't sentient, trusting the big AI companies is a specific example of the general rule of not "Trusting" for-profit corporations to serve our best interest as customers. | 11:32 |
| zOnny | I hope this conversation help us guide to how to use it | 11:32 |
| smohamud | +1 | 11:32 |
| thomasboimah | Yes!!! | 11:32 |
| smohamud | A crucial thing to determine for us is | 11:32 |
| smohamud | How are we able to balance our principles with the pragmatic need to survive and eventually thrive. | 11:33 |
| zOnny | It will definitely save us a lot of time in our workflow as a devs who are trying to follow best practices | 11:33 |
| smohamud | +1 | 11:33 |
| smohamud | I know engineers making pull requests, doing code reviews and pushing to production from their cell phones with the help of AI agents... | 11:34 |
| zOnny | smohamud: that's crazy | 11:34 |
| zOnny | anyway, I'm sure this conversation will not end any soon | 11:35 |
| smohamud | +1 | 11:35 |
| gabriel_jetro | Sure | 11:35 |
| smohamud | we need to have it soon at a deep level because if some of us are not on the same page | 11:35 |
| smohamud | If someone leaves the coop because we choose to use a certain technology that makes us 10x productive based on principles, that's a huge problem for us, if everyone else agrees we should use it... | 11:36 |
| smohamud | how're you gabriel and thomas? | 11:37 |
| zOnny | Indeed | 11:38 |
| zOnny | alright let catch up with tasks | 11:38 |
| gabriel_jetro | Doing good smohamud and you | 11:38 |
| zOnny | we are we? | 11:38 |
| thomasboimah | I am good smohamud and you? | 11:39 |
| zOnny | dcammue: Natalia is asking $60 for the design | 11:40 |
| dcammue | okay, i will ask Jeff abut it that | 11:40 |
| dcammue | i will send him email today | 11:40 |
| zOnny | dcammue: she added her work here https://share.mayfirst.org/f/42458030 | 11:41 |
| smohamud | glad to hear that comrades | 11:42 |
| smohamud | im good, too | 11:42 |
| zOnny | thomasboimah: is the sjcompute.org down? | 11:43 |
| dcammue | zOnny, this is great | 11:43 |
| zOnny | or it is my network not working | 11:43 |
| thomasboimah | I don't know about that | 11:43 |
| dcammue | i view it | 11:43 |
| thomasboimah | But i think so | 11:43 |
| dcammue | thanks for the communications | 11:43 |
| thomasboimah | make some pull to the server and didn't restart gunicorn | 11:44 |
| thomasboimah | *maybe | 11:44 |
| thomasboimah | *someone | 11:44 |
| thomasboimah | let me fixed that | 11:44 |
| zOnny | smohamud: I would like your UI skill to make it look better the sjcompute | 11:44 |
| zOnny | smohamud: Is that a task you can help with? | 11:45 |
| smohamud | Yes, my day job is v busy until Tuesday but I will have resources to help beginning this week | 11:45 |
| zOnny | dcammue: great | 11:45 |
| smohamud | Any specific parts? I already wrote a list of recommendations. | 11:45 |
| zOnny | dcammue: I'm proposing it, so you get the experience moving the html css and js for that particular project | 11:46 |
| zOnny | I meant smohamud | 11:46 |
| zOnny | smohamud: According to Jeff the website is looking too dark | 11:47 |
| dcammue | okay zOnny | 11:48 |
| zOnny | smohamud: how does the dark mode works? | 11:48 |
| zOnny | smohamud: is that a JS feature? | 11:49 |
| gabriel_jetro | Not you dcammue, he's talking to smohamud | 11:49 |
| zOnny | smohamud: I haven't look into it yet | 11:49 |
| smohamud | +1 | 11:49 |
| smohamud | We can fix the color by having a dark mode, or entirely changing it. | 11:49 |
| zOnny | smohamud: maybe we can make it dark anf light mode then | 11:49 |
| smohamud | +1 | 11:49 |
| zOnny | smohamud: you got it then | 11:50 |
| zOnny | smohamud: according to google is all front end | 11:50 |
| smohamud | Dark mode is something I've implemented years ago for a large React app. As far as I'm aware, it depends what CSS libs we're using. it's possible to do from raw CSS and JS, of course, but, not-ideal. | 11:51 |
| zOnny | smohamud: find the best way to approach it | 11:52 |
| zOnny | smohamud: It looks more css and js playground | 11:52 |
| smohamud | +1 | 11:53 |
| smohamud | I can do that... | 11:53 |
| zOnny | smohamud: if there is a library that does it, we can test it out | 11:53 |
| zOnny | smohamud: A free library of course | 11:53 |
| smohamud | +1 | 11:54 |
| thomasboimah | smohamud, When I master Django. I will be needing your help to learn more from you JavaScript please. | 11:55 |
| zOnny | thomasboimah: thanks for bringing it to live agaig | 11:55 |
| thomasboimah | sure | 11:56 |
| smohamud | +1 thomas | 11:56 |
| thomasboimah | thanks | 11:57 |
| zOnny | alright team | 11:57 |
| zOnny | I'm not going to be fully active today since I'm driving away from home :( | 11:58 |
| smohamud | same | 11:58 |
| thomasboimah | Yeah Jeff mention that | 11:58 |
| thomasboimah | But you guys will tomorrow right? | 11:58 |
| zOnny | gabriel_jetro: Did you push the secosol members page? | 11:59 |
| zOnny | thomasboimah: I will | 11:59 |
| zOnny | thomasboimah: I'm meeting with JJ I think | 11:59 |
| zOnny | thomasboimah: we are waiting on Natalias confirmation | 11:59 |
| thomasboimah | Can I be with you when meeting with him zOnny ? | 12:00 |
| zOnny | thomasboimah: absolutely | 12:00 |
| thomasboimah | Thanks | 12:00 |
| zOnny | thomasboimah: I will confirm it to you later if she will be able to make it | 12:00 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 12:00 |
| zOnny | thomasboimah: we are only waiting for the logo she is working on | 12:00 |
| gabriel_jetro | No, not yet, I wanted to this gone Friday but I forget to because I was going on with different projects giving by jetro to backup and change all the OS, zOnny | 12:00 |
| zOnny | gabriel_jetro: understood | 12:02 |
| zOnny | gabriel_jetro: like I say before feel free to reach out whenever you feel stuck with it | 12:02 |
| zOnny | gabriel_jetro: we are here to help each other | 12:02 |
| gabriel_jetro | Okay, zOnny, appreciate | 12:03 |
| zOnny | gabriel_jetro: btw I learn better when I teach others | 12:03 |
| zOnny | gabriel_jetro: just keep on mind that we all learn something new everyday | 12:03 |
| gabriel_jetro | +1 | 12:04 |
| smohamud | signing off | 12:04 |
| zOnny | smohamud: see you | 12:04 |
| zOnny | gabriel_jetro: I want you to master LibreOrganize | 12:05 |
| zOnny | gabriel_jetro: so you get the chance to update our customer's requests | 12:06 |
| zOnny | gabriel_jetro: try to be curious about moving stuff in your local machine. | 12:06 |
| zOnny | gabriel_jetro: That is the way I learn other projects | 12:07 |
| gabriel_jetro | Sure I'll update you next meeting time, zOnny | 12:07 |
| zOnny | gabriel_jetro: being a web developer is not for everyone | 12:07 |
| zOnny | gabriel_jetro: sounds good | 12:09 |
| gabriel_jetro | Yes | 12:09 |
| zOnny | thomasboimah: Let's catch up tomoroow | 12:10 |
| thomasboimah | Okay zOnny | 12:10 |
| thomasboimah | Thanks for today | 12:10 |
| thomasboimah | have a safe drive | 12:10 |
| zOnny | as for now I need to got and pick up Kei | 12:10 |
| zOnny | but first | 12:10 |
| zOnny | MAKE COFFEE :) | 12:11 |
| thomasboimah | ;-) | 12:11 |
| zOnny | I don't know but I'm big coffee lover | 12:11 |
| gabriel_jetro | Lol | 12:11 |
| zOnny | alright jetro team | 12:12 |
| zOnny | see you tomorrow | 12:12 |
| gabriel_jetro | Thanks for the advice and mentorship today, zOnny | 12:12 |
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| zOnny | ACTION sign off for today | 12:12 |
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| resl | jelkner: | 17:50 |
| zOnny | ACTION is here :) | 17:50 |
| klarios | https://share.mayfirst.org/apps/files/files/42805064?dir=/NOVAWebDev/Documents&openfile=true | 17:53 |
| jelkner | ToDo: Begin deepening our understanding of tax laws. | 18:02 |
| jelkner | 3000 + 1500 + 2500 + 1500 + 1500 + 1500 | 18:07 |
| jelkner | 11500 | 18:09 |
| jelkner | ToDo: Research USFWC medical insurance and add to our costs | 18:13 |
| klarios | https://www.upandgo.coop/ | 18:57 |
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| resl | https://coopcloud.tech/ | 19:56 |
| resl | https://servers.coop/ | 19:56 |
| resl | https://capsul.org/ | 19:56 |
| resl | https://autonomic.zone/services/ | 19:56 |
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| zOnny | ACTION is home | 23:05 |
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