IRC log of #novawebdev for Saturday, 2026-09-26

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gabriel_jetroGood morning dcammue 10:07
dcammueGood morning gabriel_jetro 10:28
gabriel_jetroI'm doing fine here bro hope you're good 10:29
dcammueYeah 10:31
dcammueYou got the phone yesterday 10:32
jelknerGood morning dcammue and gabriel_jetro!10:46
dcammueGood morning jelkner10:46
gabriel_jetroGood morning jelkner 10:47
jelknerThings are moving very fast, dear comrades!10:48
jelknerwe are in it now for sure ;-)10:48
jelknertboimah did a fantastic job with the Capitol Musicians Network task yesterday10:49
dcammueSure 10:49
jelkneri'll follow up with cjones on Monday10:49
thomasboimahGood morning comrades10:50
jelknergood morning thomasboimah!10:50
jelknerwe will now have no end of little things to handle10:50
jelknerwe need to think about payment again10:50
jelknerhow can Jetro get paid?10:50
thomasboimahThat's the question I and daniel was discussion yesterday10:51
dcammueThat's our main question here10:51
jelknerwe have on way - JWD can sub contract with NWD, and we can set up a retainer situation10:51
thomasboimahIf our client is going to make payment to NWD and NWD will make transfer to JWD10:51
jelknerwe can use the wire transfer mechanism we have been using10:51
jelknerbut i have a fear i need to talk to you about now dcammue 10:52
jelkneronce we start getting real money involved10:52
jelknerwe need to make sure we don't mess up our taxes!!!!!!10:52
dcammueOkay 10:52
jelkneri know from painful experience what happens when you get in a mess with government taxing agencies10:52
jelkneryou loose10:53
jelknerand you suffer10:53
jelknerso we need to figure out who is going to take responsibility for that10:53
jelknerfor both JWD and NWD10:53
jelknerhopefully it is the business team from JWD10:53
jelknergreat to see smohamud this morning!10:54
thomasboimahGood morning smohamud!10:54
dcammueSvaye was saying she could take on the taxs aspect for jetro 10:54
gabriel_jetroGood morning smohamud 10:54
dcammueGood morning smohamud 10:54
gabriel_jetro+1 dcammue 10:54
jelknerdcammue, we need to set up a meeting with svaye soon10:57
jelknerwe need to ask her how much time she actually has10:57
dcammueSure 10:58
jelknerand determine if we can put her on salary with the expectation that she can do both JWD and NWD taxes10:58
jelknerthat's what we need10:58
jelknerone person who can do both10:58
jelknersince they will be very intertwined10:58
jelkneri'll continue this after our stand up10:58
zOnnyGood morning comrades10:59
gabriel_jetroGood morning zOnny 10:59
thomasboimahGood morning zOnny !10:59
zOnnyIt's a little chilly out here today10:59
jelknerYesterday I spoke with Lilly and reached out to Nikita to get them in touch about sys admin / dev ops work in our classroom.  I also spoke with Chris about Capitol Music Network, and I can see from email how that all moved ahead. Today I'll be attending the USFWC Annual Conference plenary session which Rachel is hosting. No blockers.11:00
thomasboimahI’ve been working with Daniel on the Capital Music Network website and responding to their emails about the project. I’ve also been responding to and addressing PR comments for the FixMyCD project. Today, I’ll be working with Daniel to finalize the Capital Music Network website project and send an invoice, since they’re requesting one. I’ll also work on my UoPeople assignments. No blockers.11:00
thomasboimahACTION done11:00
jelknerACTION done11:00
jelknerok everyone, stop a minute and think about how thomasboimah and jelkner do that.11:00
zOnnyThis past week I haven't focused much on our current projects, but I did make time for our Tuesday meeting and helped coordinate some workflows. No Blockers.11:00
zOnnyACTION done11:00
jelknerwe get our post ready before hand, and use a reliable clock (I use time.gov) to track the time, and then hit enter at the very second we are supposed to ;-)11:01
gabriel_jetroOops my bad it's little catching, I've been working on the cjs site update and been waiting for zOnny review to continue.11:01
dcammueThomas and I have been working on the capital music website and communicating through emails with them we submitted the work today for review.11:01
jelknergabriel_jetro, it would be nice if you could learn to be ready too11:01
dcammueNo blocker11:01
dcammueACTION done11:02
jelknerit makes things go so fast11:02
gabriel_jetroAs how jelkner 11:02
jelknerand coordinated activity helps build social cohesion11:02
jelknerask thomasboimah 11:02
jelknerhe can show you11:02
smohamudStandup: After yesterday standup: Met w Rachel. Relayed NSS/CJS Project info so she can assume PM role. Discussed AI policy and how to use it securely, ethically. Troubleshot the P2P Live Share and learned Jallah's internet (~3Mbps) can't support it, hence the constant disconnects. Discussed possible assistance, he said it's $150/mo. Read through FixMyCd repo this morning to better assist in reviewing Thomas' PRs. Not blocked.11:02
gabriel_jetroGotcha 11:02
smohamudGood morning all (was in the wrong channel, my bad)11:02
smohamudJeff is a grandfather :) !!!!11:03
smohamudas of yesterday!11:03
thomasboimahYeah!!!!!!!! Congratulations jelkner !!!!!!!!!!!!11:03
jelknerthanks everyone!11:03
gabriel_jetroWow, congratulations jelkner 11:03
smohamudCan we call you Gramps?11:03
thomasboimahlol11:04
zOnnyjelkner: congratulations11:04
jelknera beautiful baby Osvaldito came into the world yesterday at 7 am PST11:04
jelknersure you can call me Gramps11:04
smohamudlolll11:04
jelkneri always tell you how old i feel11:04
jelknernow i've really earned it ;-)11:04
smohamudlooll11:04
dcammueLol11:04
gabriel_jetroLol11:04
thomasboimah;-)11:05
dcammueThat's gramps jelkner11:05
smohamudlol11:05
jelknerbut ok, wile Gramps is still alive and kickin' with y'all, we have some work to do to build a better future for Osvaldito and everyone11:05
jelknerso let's get to it11:05
jelknerok we need to talk about:11:06
jelkner1. Billing and payment11:06
jelkner2. Bookkeeping and taxes11:06
smohamudRachel is working on a contract for CJS now.11:06
smohamudWe can present it at the next agile checkin.11:07
jelknersounds good to me, smohamud 11:07
gabriel_jetrozOnny: did you saw my PR?11:07
jelknerlike i mentioned, i really like the workflow document she sent11:07
smohamudTeam, we need to do something before people continue work on CJS.11:07
jelknerit gives us the flexibility we need to move ahead11:07
smohamudWe must settle on a repo setup, with Dev and Prod (at least) and probably a third branch since Gabriel is working on changes already.11:08
jelkneri plan to work with JWD and cjones to get them work11:08
jelkneri want to work directly with them11:08
smohamudGabriel, we need to discuss your AI usage with regards to the CJS project ASAP.11:08
smohamudAssuming it's being used. There are rules to follow to ensure no personal data gets included, and no API keys or sensitive app data.11:08
gabriel_jetro+111:09
gabriel_jetroI know 11:09
smohamudHappy you're taking initiative but we want to be safe.11:09
jelknerzOnny, what's going on with the ARTraffic invoice?11:10
smohamudSimilarly, you haven't been asked to work on it since we don't have funds currently. However, if you would like to contribute, please connect with our engineers and we can point you to the best possible features for you.11:10
smohamudWould be happy to do so :)11:10
jelknerzOnny?11:10
jelknerdcammue, i want to work with the business team on bookkeeping and billing11:11
dcammueYes jelkner 11:11
thomasboimahsmohamud, Please let me know when all of the requirement for the cjs project is done. I will be happy to contribute.11:11
zOnnyjelkner: I thought you said tony will follow up on it11:11
jelknerthomasboimah, can i get your attention on this for a minute please?11:11
smohamudthomasboimah, happy to do so. Let's connect tomorrow afternoon UTC.11:11
smohamudGabriel, please feel free to join.11:12
gabriel_jetroOkay 11:12
jelknerok, smohamud slow down a minute11:12
jelknerthis is what we need to figure out11:12
smohamudThe final thing about CJS: we need someone to make sure the commit we're building off of is the one that's in Prod. 11:12
smohamudOk 11:12
zOnnyjelkner: from our Tuesday circle, we agreed on having a better way to invoice and be more descriptive on what are invoicing about11:12
jelknerwe need to create teams (aka circles) that are working with specific projects11:12
jelknerwe can put that into practice now11:13
jelknersmohamud, who do you need from JWD now?11:13
jelknerso i can work briefly with others11:13
jelknerthomasboimah, i can update you later if you need to work with smohamud now11:14
smohamud*Need* nobody. Would like: thomas and gabriel.11:14
jelknerbut i want you to be aware of the problem11:14
jelknerok, that will work11:14
thomasboimahjelkner, i am paying attention11:14
jelknerbut give my 3 minutes with thomasboimah first11:14
jelknerthomasboimah, we sent an invoice to ARTraffice11:14
jelknerthey didn't like it11:14
jelknerTony knows exactly how to do it again so they will like it11:15
jelknerbut Tony is having a tough time following up11:15
jelknerso we are really blocking on that11:15
jelknerin the long run, we need thomasboimah and zOnny to learn how to do what Tony knows how to do11:15
jelknerfor now, i don't know how to resolve this11:16
jelknersince Tony only spoke what he said he would write11:16
jelknerhe didn't write ti11:16
jelknerit11:16
jelkneri'll email him after this11:16
jelknerand hopefully get him to do that11:16
zOnny+111:16
thomasboimah+111:17
smohamud+111:17
gabriel_jetro+111:17
jelknerbasically, the way zOnny wrote the invoice made it sound like we were billing them for him copying some data from one place to another11:17
jelknerinstead of fixing the problem11:17
smohamudWe could ask Tony to forward us an example of old invoicce11:17
smohamudHe doesn't need to write it.11:17
thomasboimahI will also email him, to ask if he have time to show me how.11:17
thomasboimah+111:18
jelknerinstead, we need to bill them for identify the problem and notifying them how to fix it11:18
jelkner*that* is the billable work11:18
jelknerso this is a learning experience for both zOnny and thomasboimah 11:19
jelkneri want you to understand why they reacted the way they did11:19
jelknersince other astute business people would react in the same way11:19
jelknerok that's all i have for now11:19
jelknerzOnny, dcammue do you two want to jump over to the #jetrowebdev channel now, so smohamud, thomasboimah, and gabriel_jetro can use this one?11:19
smohamudI've got nothing to add.11:20
jelknersmohamud?11:20
jelkneryou said you wanted thomasboimah and gabriel_jetro 11:20
dcammueSure 11:20
zOnnyok11:21
jelkneri'm confused smohamud, do you want to meet with thomasboimah and gabriel_jetro now?11:21
smohamudNo, I said tomorrow. Now is not good.11:21
thomasboimahjelkner, not now11:21
jelknerokie dokie11:21
smohamudPlease keep in mind I work M-F and part-time Sat/Sun.11:21
jelknerthen we can stay here11:21
smohamudI don't want to run out of gas!11:21
smohamudlol11:21
jelknerand talk about the bookkeeping and billing here11:22
dcammueOkay 11:22
jelknerdcammue, thomasboimah, gabriel_jetro, i need to understand svaye's availability and whether you think she can commit hours that we can depend on11:22
jelknerour plan for a long time has been for dcammue and svaye to be the business managers for our co-ops11:23
jelknernow is the time to put that in place11:23
jelknerwe are getting work11:23
jelknerwe need to handle it properly11:23
jelknerwhat are your thoughts on that, dcammue, thomasboimah and gabriel_jetro?11:24
gabriel_jetroI think she can, but for now she's I'll and told me yesterday she has been running after her treatment alone with some lab test after her full results she'll be committed, jelkner 11:24
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thomasboimahgabriel_jetro, it that cash what if we asking if any other JWD member what to help with this11:25
dcammueI can not speak for svaye time of availability less I hear from her. But for me, I am ready to take on11:25
thomasboimah*case11:25
thomasboimah*ask11:25
thomasboimah*want11:25
jelknerthomasboimah, we need to pay whomever we are going to ask to do this11:25
jelknerwe need to add them to the salary group11:26
jelknerthat's why i'm asking11:26
jelknerour goal is to get everyone on a minimal salary over the next year, right?11:26
thomasboimahjelkner, can you give us from now to Monday to discuss this?11:26
thomasboimahand JWD member?11:26
jelknerwe now have two people11:26
thomasboimah*as11:26
dcammue+111:26
jelkneryou lost me, thomasboimah 11:27
jelknerwhat are you asking?11:27
thomasboimahI am saying you give us sometime, and we JWD member will call for meeting and get back to you.11:27
jelknerthat's fine, thomasboimah 11:27
jelkneri know how well you operate11:27
jelkneri only ask you that you move fast11:28
jelknerthomasboimah, i have another suggestion to think about11:28
thomasboimahThen if svaye is not available then we can ask freena and Janet if they want to do this11:28
jelknerand i can talk to Rachel hopefully later today when i see her11:28
jelknerthomasboimah, you can ask whomever you all want11:28
jelknerBUT11:28
jelknerthey need to be able to do the job!!11:29
jelknerthey need to learn U.S. and Virginia tax law11:29
thomasboimah+111:29
jelknerthey need to learn GNUCash11:29
jelknerthey need to have good customer relations skills so they can write invoices and follow up on billing11:29
gabriel_jetroSvaye will best fit for it because she started doing it before jelkner but the only thing is her availability and we need to ask her if she's willing 11:30
jelknerthomasboimah, gabriel_jetro, i want to ask you one more thing when you meet with Sahnun tomorrow11:30
jelknergabriel_jetro, i agree with you11:30
jelkneron both counts11:30
jelknershe has the skills11:30
jelknerbut that doesn't help if she doesn't have the availability11:31
jelknerthomasboimah, dcammue, gabriel_jetro one more thing we really need to think about11:31
jelkneris how you get paid for work that Sahnun wants you to do11:31
jelknerwe need to grow JWD's capacity *NOW*11:32
jelknerwe can't delay11:32
jelknersince we can see how easy it is to bring in work11:32
jelknerwe aren't even trying, and cjones and i can find work for you11:32
jelkneri knew that would be the case11:32
jelknerbut now we need to handle the work11:32
jelkneror the whole thing doesn't fly11:32
jelknerso if Sahnun is going to have you working on CJS and NS AMS, which i think is a wonderful idea11:33
gabriel_jetrothomasboimah: can you remind jelkner of what he did mention the last time and telling him that we've decided 11:33
jelknerwe need to understand the financial arrangement11:33
jelknerhere's why11:33
jelknerif thomasboimah can get paid from that work (and hopefully gabriel_jetro too)11:33
jelknerthen that frees me up to commit to support the other salaried position for the business team11:34
jelknereither svaye or whomever you all decide11:34
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jelknerdoes that make sense?11:34
gabriel_jetro+111:34
jelknerremember, we agreed at your meeting at the end of the JWD sprint that the business team would be dcammue, svaye and jelkner 11:35
gabriel_jetro+111:35
jelknerjelkner's role will be to commit to fund the two salaried positions we need until such time as the profits from work can cover that11:36
jelknerit will be a huge step forward if the dev team can become self funding11:36
jelknerwhich seems like it is happening11:36
jelknerI *really* hope it is!11:36
jelknerdoes that make sense?11:36
dcammue+111:36
thomasboimah+111:37
jelknerok, anything else for me?11:37
gabriel_jetro+111:37
thomasboimah-1 from me11:37
gabriel_jetro-111:37
jelknerzOnny, i will email Tony in a few minutes, and talk to Rachel when i see her this afternoon11:37
gabriel_jetrothomasboimah: 11:37
jelknermy task includes following up on the ARTraffic invocie11:38
zOnnysounds good 11:38
zOnnyjelkner: I can send a follow up email if needed11:38
jelknerzOnny, i'll email tony11:38
zOnnyjelkner: ok11:38
jelknereither him or you can send the invoice, to ARTraffic11:38
jelknerlet's leave that up to him11:39
jelknerwhether he wants to invoice them directly11:39
jelknersince they know him11:39
zOnnyjelkner: ok11:39
jelkneror just write up the description of work and have you send it11:39
thomasboimahjelkner, you was asking the other day who on the dev team is ready to be on a salary.11:39
jelknerSahnun tells me both gabriel_jetro and Jallah are really coming along!11:40
zOnnyI think I have explained in my email sent to you on what was done there11:40
jelknerzOnny?11:40
jelknerwhat was done where?11:40
jelkneryou lost me11:40
zOnnyjelkner: it is your call11:40
jelknerzOnny, let me give you a quick call11:41
zOnnyjelkner: the email I sent to you explaining it the work that was done in the ARTraffic11:41
jelkneryes, but that description did not satisfy them11:41
jelknerthat's the whole thing we are dealing with11:41
jelkneri understand why11:41
zOnnyjelkner: if they question it, I can follow up with a more descriptive version11:41
jelknerthe way Tony put it is what they want to hear11:42
zOnnybut if you feel tony can do it, that works too11:42
jelknerlet's talk, zOnny 11:42
jelknerit's your call11:42
zOnnysince they are already in touch with him11:42
jelknerlet's talk on the phone11:42
jelknerlet me finish up with thomasboimah, dcammue and gabriel_jetro first11:42
zOnnysounds good11:43
jelknerthomasboimah, dcammue and gabriel_jetro, let me make sure i understand you11:43
jelkner1. You will have a JWD business meeting on Monday to discuss the other salaried member of the business team11:43
jelkner2. You will follow up with me shortly thereafter11:43
jelkner3. I'll ask for a meeting with dcammue and the other selected person to begin talking about tasks, expectations, and workflow11:44
jelknersound good?11:44
gabriel_jetro+111:44
dcammue+111:44
thomasboimah+111:45
jelknersweet11:45
jelknerok, one other separate item for thomasboimah 11:45
thomasboimahjelkner, please give chris a headsup that i have push his website work11:45
jelknerthomasboimah, would you be willing to join SJC in the "Digital support for Health Care in Liberia" circle?11:45
jelknerthomasboimah, your email to cjones was great11:46
jelkneri'll follow up with him on monday11:46
jelknerthomasboimah, do you understand what i'm asking?11:46
jelknerthomasboimah?11:47
JallahGood morning, everyone11:47
jelknerlol, Jallah you're a bit late ;-)11:47
jelknerGramps only has a little bit of time, so being on time is important!11:48
jelknerthomasboimah, i'm waiting for a reply11:48
JallahI'm sorry about that, jelkner... I had some issue that I was settling11:48
jelknerdcammue, maybe he got disconnected11:48
jelkneri need to go11:49
dcammueI am sure thomasboimah is willing 11:49
jelkneri think so too, dcammue 11:49
JallahZOnny, I didn't hear from you again until now11:49
dcammueBut he might be not paying attention now 11:49
jelknersince this whole thing is really his idea11:49
jelknerbut we need to make it work11:49
jelknerdcammue, when you see him next, let's follow up11:49
jelknerhere is what i wanted to say:11:49
dcammueOkay11:49
Jallahthomasboimah: Do you mind if we continue with what we wanted to do yesterday?11:49
jelkner1. Emergency Care Liberia now has an account with the credit union, if my understanding is correct11:50
jelkner2. I committed to a $500 donation to help fund the start of the organization, especially for it's website development11:51
jelkner3. We will have a never ending problem of figuring out how to move funds from the U.S. to Liberia efficiently11:51
jelknerso let's us this as an opportunity to start figuring that out again11:51
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jelknerthomasboimah, when do you move to the office?11:52
tboimahSorry guys my network trip11:52
tboimahI already move in jelkner 11:52
jelknerso you are in the office?11:52
jelknerhow could your network trip11:52
jelkneryour on the same one as dcammue 11:52
jelkneranyway, i really have to go11:52
tboimahI am not at the office now.11:52
jelknerah11:53
jelknernp11:53
jelknerok, i look forward to hearing from y'all after your monday meeting11:53
tboimahjelkner, you was saying something:  +!!!!!!11:53
tboimah<thomasboimah> +111:53
tboimah<thomasboimah> And I will also reach this to the Emergency Care Liberia Team11:53
tboimah<thomasboimah> And i sure they will be happy about it11:53
jelkneruntil then, dear comrades...11:53
dcammueOkay, jelkner 11:53
jelknersweet, tboimah 11:53
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jelknerdcammue, let's meet on irc briefly Tuesday morning11:54
jelkneruntil then...11:54
dcammueSure 11:54
jelknerzOnny, i'll be calling you in a minute11:54
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zOnnysounds good11:54
JallahZOnny?11:55
gabriel_jetrozOnny: 11:56
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thomasboimahzOnny: how are you doing?12:03
zOnnyhi thomasboimah 12:11
zOnnyI'm doing ok12:11
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zOnnyACTION is back12:37
zOnnyHi Jetro team12:37
zOnnysorry I got into a long phone call with Jeff12:37
zOnnyI hope you all are doing well12:37
thomasboimahnp, how was it?12:37
zOnnythe call was intense12:38
thomasboimahGest us lol ;-)12:39
zOnnyWe both were back and forth with some agreements and disagreements 12:39
zOnnyIs there anything you need from me?12:40
thomasboimah-1 from me for now12:41
zOnnygabriel_jetro: thanks for the reminder on your MR12:42
zOnnygabriel_jetro: not sure what is this https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/libreorganize-customization/claudiajones/-/merge_requests/112:42
zOnnygabriel_jetro: I wasn't aware that there was work that was assigned to you already12:42
JallahZOnny12:43
zOnnygabriel_jetro: Hidden webinars, partners, archives?12:44
Jallahthomasboimah: do you mind if we continue with what we wanted to do yesterday?12:44
zOnnyJallah: how are you12:44
JallahGood and you12:45
zOnnyalright team, I will let you focus on your work12:45
thomasboimahJallah I am on my phone now going home, can I text you when I reached 12:45
zOnnyJallah: I'm good12:45
JallahOkay, thomasboimah12:46
zOnnygabriel_jetro: I will suggest creating tasks first and them mention it in your MR12:47
JallahZOnny, you didn't reach out to me again until now12:47
zOnnyJallah: sorry my friend12:47
zOnnyJallah: I was having a busy week at my full time Job12:48
zOnnyMy managerial role is keeping fully busy managing 5 people of my team 12:48
JallahI figure, ZOnny12:48
JallahSo, have you been able to reach to her now?12:49
zOnnyto Kei?12:49
JallahYes12:49
zOnnyI think dcammue has sent an email to her already12:49
zOnnyNot sure if she has replied yet12:50
zOnnyJallah: please follow up with dcamue12:50
zOnnyJallah: I was hoping that connection with dcammue to work12:51
JallahOkay, ZOnny12:51
zOnnyJallah: I can text her, but that will exclude dcammue's effort on reaching her out12:51
JallahI should alongside him right?12:51
Jallah*work12:52
zOnnyJallah: yes12:52
zOnnyJallah: I will also check with her on Tuesday meeting12:52
JallahOkay, great12:53
JallahWith that in mind, do you have any task for me?12:53
zOnnyJallah: I don't have any task for you12:53
zOnnyJallah: Please check with your team on what needs to be done12:54
JallahOkay, sure12:55
zOnnyJallah: My role on helping the Jetro to get familiar with the Novawebdev projects is completed12:55
JallahI figured now12:56
JallahThanks for the clarity :-)12:56
zOnnyJallah: but I'm still willing to extend some time to see if there any questions12:56
zOnnyJallah: feel free to reach out if you have any questions or you think I can help with12:57
JallahOkay, thanks12:57
zOnnyalright Jetro team12:57
zOnnyI still be part of the stand up meetings just in case you have questions for me12:58
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