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| jelkner | Good morning thomasboimah | 10:57 |
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| thomasboimah | Good morning jelkner and smohamud_ | 10:57 |
| jelkner | don't worry about stand-up today | 10:57 |
| jelkner | let's just dive in to the discussion | 10:57 |
| jelkner | since i only have a few short minutes | 10:57 |
| jelkner | great to see you dcammue | 10:57 |
| thomasboimah | sure | 10:58 |
| dcammue | Good morning jelkner | 10:58 |
| dcammue | Yeah | 10:58 |
| jelkner | ok, did you see cjones's email yesterday? | 10:58 |
| dcammue | Yes | 10:58 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 10:58 |
| jelkner | any questions? | 10:58 |
| dcammue | Yes, | 10:58 |
| jelkner | shoot | 10:58 |
| dcammue | Do you guys want to host the system for the student to keep their data ? | 10:59 |
| dcammue | Is it a contract/quick job | 10:59 |
| dcammue | Or we will guid them on how to do it | 10:59 |
| dcammue | ? | 11:00 |
| dcammue | ACTION done | 11:00 |
| jelkner | well, we want you to set it up | 11:00 |
| jelkner | perhaps working with students, perhaps not | 11:00 |
| jelkner | let's see | 11:00 |
| jelkner | but we can't block on it | 11:00 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, already start transfer the gnucash db, I see that Tony started this before so it going to make my work easy. | 11:00 |
| jelkner | great | 11:01 |
| jelkner | that's the first step | 11:01 |
| jelkner | quick question - can you see this: https://share.mayfirst.org/apps/deck/board/1456 ? | 11:01 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 11:02 |
| jelkner | great | 11:02 |
| jelkner | cjones is going to get us using a better work flow process here | 11:02 |
| jelkner | we are going to use sticky notes on glass pains | 11:02 |
| dcammue | It is a To Do list | 11:02 |
| jelkner | it is called a Kanban board i think | 11:03 |
| jelkner | we need a nice, *very light weight* way to get more organized | 11:03 |
| thomasboimah | Yeah, that is some of the nice features of Nextcloud | 11:03 |
| jelkner | since we have it already | 11:03 |
| jelkner | i'm thinking we should try it | 11:03 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 11:04 |
| jelkner | Do you see the two cards i just added? | 11:05 |
| dcammue | So, if i may get it right, we will try to let put the data there instead of hosting the system your taught of first? | 11:05 |
| jelkner | We need to get cjones in on this too | 11:05 |
| thomasboimah | tes | 11:05 |
| thomasboimah | yes | 11:05 |
| jelkner | which data? | 11:05 |
| jelkner | i don't understand | 11:06 |
| dcammue | Yes | 11:06 |
| jelkner | ok, thomasboimah and dcammue, we need to move pretty fast on these items | 11:06 |
| dcammue | Okay | 11:06 |
| jelkner | we have our meeting on 10/10 with svaye | 11:06 |
| jelkner | but for now, it's just us chickens ;-) | 11:07 |
| dcammue | Yes | 11:07 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, I WILL be done with the database transfer before this Saturday | 11:07 |
| jelkner | anyway i can't make a transfer with the info you gave me | 11:07 |
| jelkner | i mean financial transfer | 11:07 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah: you have access to the docs on next cloud | 11:08 |
| thomasboimah | yes | 11:08 |
| jelkner | can you help dcammue find the documentation i wrote up from our previous wire transfers | 11:08 |
| thomasboimah | sure | 11:08 |
| jelkner | and then get *ALL* the required info for the new Eco bank | 11:08 |
| dcammue | What are those informations you need to do the transfer? | 11:08 |
| jelkner | i will block on making a transfer if i can't fill in all the required fields | 11:08 |
| jelkner | it just won't go | 11:09 |
| jelkner | i need things like IBAN numbers (whatever that is), etc. | 11:09 |
| jelkner | so you may need to get help from Eco Bank | 11:09 |
| jelkner | and then when you get me the info i need, i'll go to our credit union here and try to make the first transfer | 11:09 |
| dcammue | Is it the time we had the transfer issue? | 11:09 |
| jelkner | once we get this in place | 11:10 |
| jelkner | it will be easy from then on | 11:10 |
| jelkner | since we'll be using the same information | 11:10 |
| jelkner | then our problem will be bookkeeping and accounting | 11:10 |
| jelkner | and that is a *BIG* problem!!! | 11:10 |
| jelkner | we'll be moving more and more money back and forth between several organizations | 11:10 |
| jelkner | all of which have to file taxes | 11:11 |
| jelkner | so we need to start getting this straight now | 11:11 |
| jelkner | that will be a big part of our conversation with svaye on 10/10 | 11:11 |
| jelkner | but let's get ready for that meeting | 11:11 |
| dcammue | jelkner: can you get the form and send us the photo of it so we can know exactly what you need? | 11:12 |
| jelkner | so we aren't blocking on things we need to do before then | 11:12 |
| jelkner | dcammue: i put it in the docs! | 11:12 |
| jelkner | that's why i'm asking thomasboimah | 11:12 |
| jelkner | it will kill me if i have to keep doing things over | 11:12 |
| jelkner | i just don't have time | 11:12 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah: if you can't find it | 11:12 |
| dcammue | Because the infor i sent are the one the Credit Union can use to receives transfer | 11:12 |
| jelkner | i'll take a look | 11:12 |
| thomasboimah | it is in the share nwd drive right? | 11:12 |
| jelkner | it should be | 11:13 |
| dcammue | Okay, we will check | 11:13 |
| jelkner | it is in SJC under Jetro Web | 11:13 |
| jelkner | do you have access to that thomasboimah? | 11:13 |
| thomasboimah | yes | 11:14 |
| jelkner | sweet | 11:14 |
| jelkner | then it should be easy to find | 11:14 |
| jelkner | since i put copies every time i made a transfer | 11:14 |
| jelkner | ok, i have to go | 11:14 |
| jelkner | let's meet again soon | 11:14 |
| dcammue | Okay, Thanks | 11:14 |
| jelkner | i'll be away all weekend at the Virginia Solidarity Economy Retreat | 11:15 |
| dcammue | Will get to you soon with email | 11:15 |
| jelkner | thanks dcammue! | 11:15 |
| jelkner | we'll catch up next week | 11:15 |
| jelkner | so we are ready for our planning meeting with svaye | 11:15 |
| dcammue | Yes | 11:15 |
| jelkner | bye for now... | 11:16 |
| dcammue | You too | 11:16 |
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| smohamud | Hi comrades | 11:24 |
| smohamud | how're you? | 11:24 |
| thomasboimah | Hello smohamud | 11:24 |
| smohamud | Now still good to go into the linode server? | 11:26 |
| smohamud | If you're on your hotspot, it might be better to do a WhatsApp call or a Signal Chat to exchange the credentials / walkthough. | 11:27 |
| smohamud | It'll be a-lot of data to jitsi screenshare and IRC isn't private. | 11:27 |
| thomasboimah | smohamud, | 11:35 |
| thomasboimah | sorry I when in the bathroom | 11:35 |
| thomasboimah | smohamud, do you have the linode account/ user? | 11:36 |
| thomasboimah | *a | 11:36 |
| smohamud | no problem | 11:36 |
| smohamud | No should I start there | 11:36 |
| thomasboimah | Yes create one that way i can give you access to the linode account for cjs? | 11:37 |
| thomasboimah | After that I can create an account for you on the serve and add you ssh public | 11:37 |
| thomasboimah | Key | 11:37 |
| thomasboimah | *your | 11:38 |
| thomasboimah | Then you can be able to access the server from the terminal using ssh smohamud@claudiajonesschool.org | 11:39 |
| smohamud | Got the account | 11:46 |
| smohamud | Do you know if that smohamud has all the required privileges? | 11:46 |
| smohamud | I don't have an actual claudia jones school email that I'm aware of... | 11:46 |
| thomasboimah | nice now let me give you access to the linode account for cjs | 11:50 |
| thomasboimah | one you have that then I will create an account for you on the server and add you ssh public key | 11:51 |
| thomasboimah | *once | 11:51 |
| thomasboimah | What is the username you when create your linode account? | 11:52 |
| thomasboimah | *used | 11:52 |
| thomasboimah | *creating | 11:52 |
| smohamud | smohamud | 11:52 |
| thomasboimah | the email too please | 11:53 |
| smohamud | sahnun.mohamud@novawebdevelopment.coop | 11:53 |
| thomasboimah | smohamud, they are saying Invalid username or email address. Was the account create successfully? | 11:55 |
| thomasboimah | *created | 11:55 |
| smohamud | I got confirmation but let me make sure it's done. | 11:57 |
| smohamud | I'm logged in... | 11:57 |
| smohamud | Yep, it's confirmed. Let's give it some time, no rush. | 11:57 |
| thomasboimah | okay | 11:58 |
| smohamud | I don't really need it probably until tomorrow. Still setting CJS back up, one that we can build on. | 11:58 |
| smohamud | The sooner the better, though, since I need to verify certain things. | 11:58 |
| thomasboimah | Okay while we wait for that let me create an account for you on the server | 11:58 |
| smohamud | That sounds great | 11:58 |
| thomasboimah | your are okay with smohamud as username right? | 11:58 |
| thomasboimah | please send me you ssh public key | 11:59 |
| thomasboimah | *your | 11:59 |
| smohamud | just a min | 12:01 |
| thomasboimah | Because we disable password login for the server so even if i create your account i will need to add your ssh key to your user so that you can be able to ssh in | 12:02 |
| smohamud | ssh-ed25519 AAAAC3NzaC1lZDI1NTE5AAAAIPdYyzmGFFGuNcoIDwxdOgXlXWrjoG3h+YK1zKBhHQSG sahnunhm@gmail.com | 12:02 |
| smohamud | ooh I wonder why we'd disable that... | 12:02 |
| thomasboimah | it is cool for tight security | 12:03 |
| smohamud | I see... I suppose in the age of AI bot hacking it's not a bad idea. | 12:04 |
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| thomasboimah | smohamud, check your private chat | 12:15 |
| smohamud | got it | 12:16 |
| thomasboimah | are you in? | 12:17 |
| thomasboimah | cool | 12:22 |
| thomasboimah | Still getting this error when trying to add you: Invalid username or email address. | 12:36 |
| thomasboimah | smohamud, let give a from now to tomorrow, I will also keep trying it. But i have to leave now | 12:48 |
| thomasboimah | *it | 12:48 |
| thomasboimah | It was great you have access to the server | 12:48 |
| smohamud | Just seeing this | 13:09 |
| smohamud | I have been in and got what I needed, the exact commit that's deployed to CJS prod. | 13:09 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 13:12 |
| thomasboimah | gotachyou | 13:12 |
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| jelkner | Hi resl, glad you're feeling better1 | 21:45 |
| jelkner | better! | 21:45 |
| jelkner | !list | 21:45 |
| Websterss | **Scheduled Meetings:** | 21:45 |
| resl | jelkner: thanks Jeff | 21:45 |
| jelkner | !agenda K22Y | 21:45 |
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| resl | jelkner: did you see my Signal message to you from a bit ago? | 21:46 |
| resl | about the Voca instance and NameCheap | 21:47 |
| jelkner | i do have the novasen.org domain in my personal account | 21:50 |
| jelkner | since i'll be heading to the VASEN Retreat this weekend, let me see what folks there want to do, and i'll follow up with you on monday. | 21:51 |
| resl | jelkner: OK, let's talk 1:1 soon about it 'cause the plan is to have the Voca instance at a domain like the-sen.org or another "SEN-wide" url, and to have novasen.org display a static site for NOVASEN, while their assembly is all intact on the Voca instance because I asked Guillaume to keep it intact while moving us to the full platform. | 21:53 |
| jelkner | Yes, i think that is a great plan. | 21:57 |
| jelkner | what is the url of our jitsi meeting? | 21:58 |
| jelkner | the NOVA Web calendar disappeared from my Nextcloud | 21:58 |
| resl | jelkner: I haven't received an invite to the VASEN retreat - can you forward me the info on it? I won't be able to make it if it's this weekend, cause I'm going to be in Minnesota working on the Solar Commons Project with Kathryn | 21:58 |
| jelkner | it is this weekend | 21:58 |
| resl | https://meet.mayfirst.org/novaweb | 21:58 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 21:58 |
| resl | !start K22Y | 21:59 |
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| resl | Here's a link to the Operating Agreement in Next Cloud for folks to find it easily if they can't find it: | 21:59 |
| resl | https://share.mayfirst.org/f/42815032 | 21:59 |
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| jelkner | +1 | 22:00 |
| klarios | +1 | 22:00 |
| resl | +1 | 22:00 |
| anthony_p | +1 | 22:01 |
| resl | Zonny is here in Jitsi but in transit so not yet in IRC | 22:01 |
| resl | Congrats to Jeff for becoming a grandpa! from all of us | 22:01 |
| resl | Rachel can stay the whole meeting. Jeff has been looking at baby pictures. Tony is OK and can stay the whole meeting. Kei is OK and has been sick but can stay the whole meeting. | 22:02 |
| resl | Item 1: governance - Round, 5 min each - summary of anything we are confident about as to how we operate and our governance in NWD, and/or anything we are particularly concerned or confused about re: governance in our co-op, etc. | 22:04 |
| resl | Jeff has been involved in this movement since 2012 and is frustrated at the slow progress and the struggle of our co-op to become sustainable. He's taking an online course at CUNY on cooperatives and feels inspired by the course - is thinking that the important thing to solve right now is how can we get our business operations functioning professionally and reliably. There is not the capital for the labor, so Jeff is hoping that som | 22:06 |
| resl | Shallon at Jetro is going to work full time now in Liberia, and Jeff is funding that labor and finding work to sustain that labor to pay good Liberian wages to Daniel, Thomas, and Shallon full time now. Hoping to really train up everyone at Jetro to do development and business management for both cooperatives. | 22:08 |
| resl | Kei has been at the USFWC Worker Cooperatives Conference in Boston and has been inspired by that. They feel we need to make a stronger effort on the political side. For example, there are lots of controversies and tensions arising right now in the cooperative space around things like Big Tech and using/boycotting "AI" or LLMs | 22:09 |
| resl | (Kei, cont'd) It would be great to work more within our communities and stand more firmly in our political identity and mission. The governance we have already decided on is aligned with our politics, so we just want to make sure that we clarify and remind ourselves of the structure we need, for example, with consent, and our commitments/roles, so that we can make the most of our labor. It's true we have no money, but we have our la | 22:11 |
| resl | Tony - this isn't a capitalist business, but we are a business in a capitalist economy, forced to operate under capitalist laws. That's a tension our org has always had to withstand. The problems with capitalism are countless, but for us to function, we have to abide by certain expectations. The laws in lots of ways actively hold us back because of our politics, and because we want to do good work for good wages, without short-chang | 22:13 |
| arc_ | +1, but late. | 22:14 |
| resl | ...that we as members get our business management into a steady, reliable, and organized place. It would be great to have someone be a business manager full time. It would be great if we could take lessons from successful cooperatives. There are not many great instances of that, especially in Virginia... | 22:15 |
| resl | arc_: Hey Nikita - thanks for joining. TOnight we are skipping reports round to give more time to the discussion about our governance. | 22:15 |
| arc_ | resl: Sounds good. I'll stay quiet then, unless called on. I'll stay for the whole meeting unless requested otherwise. | 22:16 |
| resl | (Tony, cont'd) It might make sense to re-incorporate into a state with better laws for cooperatives. | 22:19 |
| resl | Rachel notes taxes are not too complicated at this point for NWD, and for members who have received income (despite its meagerness) can be sure to report it properly on their taxes quite simply - check in with Rachel/Rachel will check in with you each before tax season to brief you on it, as learned from Louie and documented in Next Cloud, while we're a Virginia-based LLC. | 22:25 |
| resl | Rachel reminds us that we are in a tough spot because we're poor - plain and simple - so most of our labor is voluntary, and the labor from Jetro is in a poor part of the world, with unreliable and expensive internet and electricity, and the communications can be difficult, because of those issues and several others. If Shallon is wanting to do business management, Rachel will begin channeling her volunteer time into training with S | 22:29 |
| resl | Jeff proposes that the Saturday Circle will be working to get short-term, reliably-paying contracts, and once the Jetro team can handle work like that well, it will make sense to try to sub contract more with Jetro as NWD. | 22:31 |
| resl | Jeff understands that there is a Saturday Circle (Jetro Circle) and Tuesday Circle (NWD Circle). Kei understands that there is a developers circle and an administrative circle, but wonders if we have a clear process or agreement on who is responsible for client intake. Jeff replies that we are in too much demand with clients, at this point. | 22:33 |
| zOnny | I think it gets confusing when it comes to the development team and who is involve in each project | 22:33 |
| resl | Rachel notes that we have made some agreements, so let's review a few: | 22:33 |
| jelkner | JWD promises to have their gnucash moved to May First by 10/10 | 22:38 |
| jelkner | Not at May First | 22:38 |
| jelkner | on a little vm | 22:38 |
| jelkner | the beautiful thing is that daniel is a business major | 22:40 |
| resl | OK. Tony showed Thomas how to set up GNUCash on May First. Rachel knows how to get into GNU Cash on May First with credentials, and how to do the basics of double entry bookkeeping in GNU Cash. Rachel will show Thomas how to do that and help prep Jetro books for Thomas to share with Jeff. | 22:41 |
| resl | Conflict resolution has been a topic at the WCC that Kei attended and asks do we have a procedure for that in our OA or should we have more of an explicit conflict resolution process? | 22:46 |
| resl | Rachel says we need to like and trust each other if we are going to survive as a business. Jeff says we need to make sure we can sustain Sahnun full time. | 22:49 |
| jelkner | Codeberg just adopted a policy too | 22:51 |
| resl | https://sfconservancy.org/llm-gen-ai/llm-backed-generative-ai-recommendations.html | 22:52 |
| resl | Nikita says let's highlight points 4-7 of the recs in our policy - these are important | 22:57 |
| jelkner | +1 on Nikita's documentation!! | 22:58 |
| klarios | +1 | 22:59 |
| resl | Proposal to go with Software Freedom Conservancy's recs on AI/LLMs as a policy for NWD - passed | 23:00 |
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| resl | Rachel will work on whatever NextCloud snafu is happening with the calendar for Jeff - possibly for NWD's admin account. | 23:01 |
| resl | !finish | 23:01 |
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