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| jelkner | Good morning dcammue, fkoikoi, jkollie, and smohamud! | 10:45 |
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| jkollie | Good morning jelkner | 10:46 |
| fkoikoi | Good morning jelkner, dcammue, smohamud and jkollie | 10:46 |
| jelkner | dcammue: do you have a stand-up meeting with smohamud this morning? | 10:46 |
| jelkner | if so, perhaps we can take care of my concern before than. | 10:46 |
| jelkner | i have a lot to do, and i'm behind as usual | 10:47 |
| jelkner | it's going to be like that all year | 10:47 |
| jelkner | so i need to work smart | 10:47 |
| jelkner | and don't have time to waste | 10:47 |
| jelkner | we need tboimah | 10:47 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, jkollie, can you ping dcammue for me | 10:47 |
| jelkner | it looks like he isn't here | 10:47 |
| jkollie | Alright | 10:48 |
| fkoikoi | ok | 10:48 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 10:48 |
| dcammue | Good morning jelkner | 10:49 |
| jelkner | thanks jkollie! | 10:49 |
| jelkner | good morning dcammue | 10:49 |
| jelkner | do you have a stand up with smohamud in 10 minutes? | 10:50 |
| dcammue | Sorry, i came to get something quick | 10:50 |
| dcammue | Yes | 10:50 |
| jelkner | great thomasboimah | 10:50 |
| jelkner | you're here | 10:50 |
| thomasboimah | Good morning comrades! | 10:50 |
| jelkner | i want to finish before your meeting with smohamud | 10:50 |
| jelkner | so let's roll! | 10:50 |
| dcammue | Okay | 10:51 |
| jelkner | i had a good conversation with zOnny this morning | 10:51 |
| jelkner | and i spoke with smohamud yesterday | 10:51 |
| jelkner | so i am trying to address the workflow challenges we are facing | 10:51 |
| jelkner | and we need to resolve soon | 10:51 |
| jelkner | since we are blocking on several projects | 10:51 |
| jelkner | since we can't seem to handle the load | 10:51 |
| mulbah | Good morning to all | 10:52 |
| jelkner | and we are underutilizing our scare resources | 10:52 |
| jelkner | so let me be concrete | 10:52 |
| jelkner | who should i make as my primary Jetro point of contact? | 10:53 |
| dcammue | Me | 10:53 |
| jelkner | ok, dcammue, you it is | 10:53 |
| jelkner | but that means you can't overextend yourself, and you need to be available | 10:53 |
| jelkner | so, i want to get a team together to work on the DC Music contract | 10:54 |
| jelkner | we should get zOnny involved | 10:54 |
| dcammue | I am, and i will be | 10:54 |
| jelkner | since he doesn't have any work at the moment | 10:54 |
| jelkner | so let's get a team | 10:54 |
| jelkner | zOnny, dcammue, and who? | 10:54 |
| jelkner | with cjones and jelkner as customers | 10:55 |
| jelkner | what about jallah? | 10:55 |
| jelkner | who do you think, dcammue? | 10:55 |
| dcammue | I think jallah or gabriel | 10:56 |
| jelkner | or doesn't work | 10:56 |
| jelkner | we need who | 10:56 |
| dcammue | But i need their input | 10:56 |
| jelkner | ok | 10:56 |
| jelkner | and also think about when jkollie and fkoikoi may be pulled in | 10:56 |
| jelkner | as their front end skills develop | 10:56 |
| jelkner | since you need to grow your team | 10:56 |
| jelkner | so get back to me soon | 10:56 |
| dcammue | fkoikoi: can you be part | 10:56 |
| fkoikoi | sure | 10:57 |
| jelkner | dcammue: i'll send an email asking you to respond with the list of your team | 10:57 |
| jelkner | so we can set up a customer meeting soon | 10:57 |
| dcammue | Okau | 10:57 |
| dcammue | Okay | 10:57 |
| jelkner | let's get this project finished | 10:57 |
| jelkner | so we can move on to the next | 10:57 |
| jelkner | and the nest | 10:57 |
| jelkner | next | 10:57 |
| jelkner | and the next | 10:58 |
| jelkner | ok, i'll see y'all on Saturday at 11 UTC | 10:58 |
| jelkner | bye for now | 10:58 |
| dcammue | jelkner: | 10:58 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, The landing page for the Capital music website is done, They are asking for an invoice | 10:58 |
| jelkner | and who is your business manager, thomasboimah? | 10:59 |
| jelkner | if we are blocking on an invoice | 10:59 |
| dcammue | I | 10:59 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, dcammue But the issue here is the account number | 10:59 |
| shallon | On Monday I was on a search for my new computer charger and lost track of time, however I was able to find it and everything is back on coast. I am preparing for our business meeting on Saturday 11 UTC no blockers | 10:59 |
| jelkner | we are blocking on basic business management | 10:59 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, i send you an email about this, did you get to see it? | 10:59 |
| jelkner | keep in mind all, if you don't bill, you wont' earn any revenue | 10:59 |
| shallon | Good morning everyone | 11:00 |
| jelkner | when, thomasboimah | 11:00 |
| jelkner | i don't think i did | 11:00 |
| dcammue | Should we use sjc account number or jetro? | 11:00 |
| jelkner | so that is a HUGE question | 11:00 |
| thomasboimah | When in the email that i give you an update about the guncash db transfer | 11:00 |
| thomasboimah | in the email that i give you an update about the guncash db transfer | 11:00 |
| jelkner | if you send an invoice from Jetro, how will they pay you? | 11:00 |
| jelkner | i did see that email thomasboimah | 11:00 |
| jelkner | but i haven't had time to process it | 11:01 |
| jelkner | i was planning for saturday morning for that | 11:01 |
| dcammue | There were the blocker is | 11:01 |
| smohamud | standup: created git repo and first requirement branch. finished skeleton for add calendar feat. today continue on this. Coop management class was great. not blocked. | 11:01 |
| jelkner | bye | 11:01 |
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| shallon | Good morning dcammue | 11:01 |
| smohamud | brb 15m | 11:01 |
| dcammue | Good morning smohamud , shallon | 11:02 |
| shallon | Good morning smohamud | 11:02 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah: do you know why irclogs.novawebdevelopment.coop isn't working? | 11:09 |
| jelkner | dcammue: how about you? | 11:09 |
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| jelkner | i was trying to follow up on your email, dcammue and now i'm blocking because i can't access the logs | 11:10 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, let the check this up through the control panel this maybe a DNS issue | 11:10 |
| jelkner | ok, i need to go do other things | 11:11 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, let me check this up through the control panel this maybe a DNS issue | 11:11 |
| jelkner | in the mean time, dcammue | 11:11 |
| jelkner | we will meet with svaye on saturday, yes? | 11:11 |
| jelkner | to talk with her about expectations | 11:11 |
| jelkner | or actually, since she is here now | 11:12 |
| jelkner | shallon: are you here now? | 11:12 |
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| dcammue | jelkner: | 11:12 |
| shallon | Yes jelkner | 11:12 |
| jelkner | can we meet now? | 11:12 |
| jelkner | we have all 3 of us here | 11:12 |
| shallon | +1 jelkner | 11:12 |
| dcammue | +1 | 11:12 |
| jelkner | sweet | 11:12 |
| jelkner | let's do it | 11:12 |
| jelkner | i just hope this is being logged | 11:13 |
| jelkner | since we may want to refer back to it later | 11:13 |
| jelkner | ok, shallon, my understanding is you plan to spend wednesdays at the jetro office | 11:13 |
| jelkner | and to work from another location the rest of the time | 11:14 |
| jelkner | is that correct? | 11:14 |
| shallon | Yes | 11:14 |
| jelkner | ok, so my question is, how reliable will your connection be during those other times? | 11:14 |
| jelkner | keep in mind that a successful business needs to be reachable | 11:15 |
| jelkner | it's all about communication | 11:15 |
| jelkner | when we take in new customers, we need to service them *well* | 11:15 |
| shallon | My connection is good | 11:15 |
| jelkner | ok, if you're confident, we can give this a try | 11:15 |
| jelkner | so let's talk about the problem dcammue and i were beginning to address earlier | 11:16 |
| jelkner | how can Jetro get paid? | 11:16 |
| jelkner | here is what i think about that | 11:16 |
| shallon | Can I know the actual job description? jelkner | 11:16 |
| jelkner | you tell me, shallon | 11:16 |
| shallon | thomasboimah: mentioned something about taking calls | 11:17 |
| jelkner | what do you think it is? | 11:17 |
| jelkner | ACTION waits patiently for shallon to reply... | 11:18 |
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| shallon | Doing taxes, logging financial transactions, sending invoices, communication | 11:18 |
| jelkner | yes, that's good | 11:19 |
| jelkner | here is another challenge for you | 11:19 |
| jelkner | if you had to describe the task in 3 words, could you? | 11:19 |
| shallon | However I want to know if the communication will be calls or emails, or will I be the one to establish it with the customer? | 11:19 |
| jelkner | i have 3 words in mind, and i think this is important to understand | 11:20 |
| jelkner | since you're not answering right away, maybe you don't? | 11:21 |
| jelkner | i can share mine if you like | 11:21 |
| shallon | Go ahead jelkner | 11:21 |
| jelkner | Managing the Business! | 11:21 |
| jelkner | we really need to hire someone whose job title is just two of those words | 11:22 |
| shallon | I almost said financial manager, but business manager is way better | 11:22 |
| jelkner | Business Manager | 11:22 |
| jelkner | yes, business manage is much better | 11:22 |
| jelkner | since we are too small to have a financial manager | 11:22 |
| jelkner | someday, we might | 11:22 |
| jelkner | but now, we can't | 11:22 |
| jelkner | since a financial manager won't have anything to manage | 11:22 |
| jelkner | without a business manager | 11:23 |
| jelkner | since we won't have any business :-( | 11:23 |
| shallon | Exactly | 11:23 |
| jelkner | Tony and I were talking about this a few weeks ago | 11:23 |
| jelkner | he independently determined something i've known for awhile, but didn't know how to address | 11:24 |
| jelkner | while there are many obstacles we have to overcome to launch ourselves as a successful business | 11:24 |
| jelkner | the most pressing among them at the moment is a need for a good, solid, business manager | 11:25 |
| jelkner | we need that most of all | 11:25 |
| jelkner | Every successful co-op i've seen over the years has one | 11:25 |
| jelkner | at least one | 11:25 |
| jelkner | and without that, we can not succeed | 11:25 |
| dcammue | +1 | 11:25 |
| jelkner | so let's talk about what this business manager needs to do, can we? | 11:26 |
| shallon | +1 | 11:26 |
| dcammue | Yes | 11:26 |
| jelkner | LOL, our business manager needs to be Super Human ;-) | 11:26 |
| jelkner | we will never achieve that | 11:26 |
| jelkner | but it helps to know that's what we need ;-) | 11:26 |
| jelkner | they need to: | 11:26 |
| jelkner | 1. Understand customers and their needs | 11:26 |
| jelkner | 2. Understand developers and their needs | 11:26 |
| jelkner | 3. Know how to keep customers happy, which means communicating effectively, managing problems as they arise, etc. | 11:27 |
| jelkner | 4. Know how to help coordinate and motivate developers | 11:28 |
| jelkner | to plead, threaten, bribe, console ;-) | 11:28 |
| jelkner | whatever it takes to get them to deliver! | 11:28 |
| jelkner | and here i am talking about dev team leaders | 11:28 |
| jelkner | since it will be the dev team leaders that will need to lead their teams | 11:29 |
| jelkner | but the business manager is the person who will usually sit between the customer and the dev team | 11:29 |
| jelkner | there is a lot to learn here | 11:29 |
| jelkner | we need a leader | 11:29 |
| jelkner | most of all | 11:29 |
| jelkner | does this make sense? | 11:30 |
| dcammue | ! | 11:30 |
| shallon | +1 | 11:30 |
| dcammue | +1 | 11:30 |
| jkollie | +1 | 11:30 |
| jelkner | so we are looking for someone who agrees to "take ownership" of our challenge | 11:30 |
| jelkner | to see building Jetro Web as *their* responsibility | 11:30 |
| jelkner | and is willing to learn and grow into whatever it takes to make that happen | 11:31 |
| jelkner | so, shallon, are you down for that BIG task? | 11:31 |
| shallon | I am willing to learn and grow more with jetroweb | 11:32 |
| jelkner | ok, so that brings us back to your specific question about communication | 11:32 |
| jelkner | you don't have to ask how it will work, you get to decide | 11:32 |
| jelkner | that's what a co-op is | 11:32 |
| jelkner | but you will be held responsible in that whatever y'all decide, the customers have to be satisfied | 11:33 |
| jelkner | that will be the measure of your success | 11:33 |
| jelkner | if you all and our customers are happy | 11:33 |
| jelkner | we have achieved our goal | 11:33 |
| jelkner | to make the world a better place for us and for them | 11:33 |
| dcammue | +1 | 11:34 |
| jelkner | now, back to payment | 11:34 |
| shallon | Well understood | 11:34 |
| jelkner | here is what i have thought all along | 11:34 |
| jelkner | the only viable way for a small co-op like Jetro to effectively do business in the U.S. is to partner with a U.S. co-op | 11:34 |
| jelkner | that's the JWD/NWD partnership | 11:35 |
| dcammue | +1 | 11:35 |
| jelkner | and it is why, even though technically shallon and dcammue and thomasboimah can't be "owners" of NWD, you will function as if you are in most of our processes relating to the partnership | 11:35 |
| jelkner | in fact, since NWD can't afford a business manager | 11:36 |
| jelkner | it is my deepest hope that dcammue and shallon will play the effective role of NWD business manager for the current period at least | 11:36 |
| smohamud | Hi comrades, sorry about that. | 11:36 |
| smohamud | Back, lot going on here. | 11:36 |
| smohamud | dcammue after this we can meet about the Aadamiga project since you're PM. | 11:37 |
| smohamud | If I'm not mistaken. | 11:37 |
| jelkner | this will be very concrete in terms of funding | 11:37 |
| dcammue | Okay smohamud | 11:37 |
| jelkner | here is how it will work: | 11:37 |
| jelkner | 1. Jobs in the U.S. will be invoiced from NWD. | 11:38 |
| jelkner | 2. NWD will subcontract the work to JWD | 11:38 |
| jelkner | 3. Payment will be done through large transfers of at least $5K into JWD's account | 11:39 |
| jelkner | 4. The balance will be drawn down as work is billed, and then the account will be recharged when it gets low | 11:39 |
| jelkner | does that make sense? | 11:39 |
| smohamud | Thomas reminder Stephen meeting is at 4pm. Do you have a working Demo that runs locally? | 11:39 |
| dcammue | +1 | 11:40 |
| shallon | +1 | 11:40 |
| thomasboimah | smohamud, +1 | 11:40 |
| smohamud | (4pm my time, just over an hour from now. | 11:40 |
| smohamud | Ok, great. | 11:40 |
| jelkner | so let's talk more about this saturday | 11:40 |
| smohamud | Please meet with me after this. | 11:40 |
| jelkner | it will be great to have zOnny with us | 11:40 |
| jelkner | we need to set up this infrastructure ASAP | 11:40 |
| jelkner | which is why i've been pushing for the gnucash move to May First | 11:41 |
| jelkner | you can show me that on saturday | 11:41 |
| jelkner | ok, dear comrades | 11:41 |
| jelkner | see you saturday! | 11:41 |
| dcammue | Okay, are you going to try the transfer and also we are going to use NOVA WEB Account number on the invoice? | 11:41 |
| shallon | Have a wonderful day jelkner | 11:41 |
| jelkner | you too shallon | 11:41 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah: please get back to me on the irc logs | 11:41 |
| smohamud | brb. If you guys free up, please text my phone | 11:41 |
| thomasboimah | okay | 11:42 |
| jelkner | by email | 11:42 |
| smohamud | Great meetin | 11:42 |
| jelkner | bye for now! | 11:42 |
| jelkner | talk soon smohamud | 11:42 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off | 11:42 |
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| dcammue | smohamud: | 11:43 |
| shallon | dcammue: use the novaweb account on BT to do the invoice, because jelkner said jobs in the U.S will be invoiced from novaweb | 11:43 |
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| dcammue | I know shallon | 11:44 |
| shallon | Alright | 11:44 |
| smohamud | back | 11:49 |
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| smohamud | thomas and daniel, can we meet now? | 11:51 |
| smohamud | On Jitsi | 11:51 |
| smohamud | ? | 11:51 |
| smohamud | And shallon & janet if you're involved, please join too. | 11:51 |
| smohamud | This is regarding the new Project that Jetro will likely be taking on. | 11:51 |
| smohamud | (With Daniel) | 11:52 |
| smohamud | With Thomas, it's a client meeting with Stephen. | 11:52 |
| smohamud | Sounds good? | 11:52 |
| shallon | Yeah | 11:52 |
| smohamud | awesome, can you remind me what you're working on? | 11:53 |
| smohamud | I know it's on the Operations side. | 11:53 |
| smohamud | Or, at least I think it was at some point. | 11:54 |
| smohamud | Daniel/Thomas, thoughts about meeting on Jitsi? | 11:54 |
| thomasboimah | sure | 11:57 |
| thomasboimah | please send the link | 11:58 |
| smohamud | We can also meet in a half hour. Do you have a preference? | 11:59 |
| smohamud | I would like to hear you present. | 11:59 |
| smohamud | Practice run. | 11:59 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 12:00 |
| smohamud | Now or in 30? | 12:00 |
| thomasboimah | we can do it now | 12:00 |
| smohamud | https://meet.mayfirst.org/novaweb | 12:01 |
| dcammue | https://meet.mayfirst.org/novaweb | 12:05 |
| jelkner | Hello cjones, can you jump over to #sjcompute? | 12:35 |
| jelkner | No one else will be using that channel | 12:35 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah: any word on the 502 for our logs? | 12:37 |
| jelkner | dcammue and thomasboimah, it's time for another vm discussion | 12:37 |
| thomasboimah | in meeting right now with smohamud will fixed it in a min after that | 12:37 |
| jelkner | got you | 12:37 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 12:37 |
| dcammue | I am here if i am needed | 12:38 |
| jelkner | do you have a minute now dcammue? | 12:38 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:38 |
| jelkner | we are still being billed between $40 and $50 per month for vms | 12:39 |
| jelkner | that's not terrible | 12:39 |
| jelkner | but we should keep an eye on it | 12:39 |
| jelkner | and continue to try to reduce it further | 12:39 |
| jelkner | dcammue: do you have a list of all the vms we are running and what they are used for? | 12:40 |
| dcammue | No | 12:40 |
| dcammue | Brighten me on it | 12:41 |
| jelkner | ok, can i assign you that as a task? | 12:41 |
| jelkner | this is just one of the many, many, *many* things you and shallon will need to get a handle on | 12:42 |
| jelkner | since when the bill comes in | 12:42 |
| jelkner | you need to know what it's for | 12:42 |
| dcammue | Okay, i will figure it out | 12:42 |
| jelkner | you have an account on BT, right? | 12:43 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:43 |
| jelkner | we used to keep all that info there | 12:43 |
| jelkner | again, it will be up to you and shallon to work out a system | 12:44 |
| jelkner | but first you need to wrap your head around what we've done in the past | 12:44 |
| jelkner | before you can begin to think of improvements | 12:44 |
| dcammue | Sure | 12:44 |
| jelkner | dcammue: i just added you to admin@novawebdevelopment.coop | 12:49 |
| jelkner | we should add shallon too | 12:49 |
| smohamud | dc'd | 12:50 |
| smohamud | please rejoin same link | 12:50 |
| thomasboimah | send the link here again please | 12:50 |
| jelkner | shallon: can you please ask either thomasboimah or dcammue to set you up with a novawebdevelopment.coop email address and to show you how to access email from it? | 12:50 |
| shallon | +1 jelkner | 12:51 |
| jelkner | thanks, shallon | 12:51 |
| jelkner | we'll add you to admin too | 12:51 |
| dcammue | Okay, thanks jelkner | 12:51 |
| jelkner | since that is how you will receive invoices, bills, and other communication like that | 12:52 |
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