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| dcammue | Good morning smohamud and resl | 09:13 |
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| jelkner | Good morning dcammue! | 10:21 |
| dcammue | Good morning jelkner | 10:24 |
| dcammue | ACTION will be back in 5 minutes | 10:26 |
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| dcammue | Sorry, i went out | 10:48 |
| jelkner | NP | 10:48 |
| dcammue | jelkner: How are you? | 10:48 |
| jelkner | hanging in there, and you? | 10:48 |
| dcammue | We did send the invoice to the Music Capital network using Nova Web account | 10:48 |
| dcammue | I am great | 10:48 |
| jelkner | Glad to hear it! | 10:49 |
| dcammue | Yeah | 10:49 |
| jelkner | We have a big meeting in 10 minutes, yes? | 10:49 |
| dcammue | Yes! | 10:49 |
| jelkner | Do you know if Sahnun will be here? | 10:50 |
| jelkner | I can call him. | 10:50 |
| dcammue | He was here this morning. | 10:50 |
| jelkner | just called him dcammue, he's back ;-) | 10:52 |
| jelkner | and svaye? | 10:52 |
| dcammue | I'm not too sure, i know she is aware that she has a meeting today | 10:54 |
| jelkner | Good morning jkollie! | 10:55 |
| jelkner | ok, dcammue, hope she makes it | 10:55 |
| jelkner | can you call her? | 10:55 |
| smohamud | dcammue, are you using your personal hostpot for this meeting? | 10:55 |
| jkollie | Good morning jelkner | 10:55 |
| jelkner | jkollie, there is a teach-in workshop scheduled for Friday, October 30th | 10:56 |
| dcammue | Yes, jeteo internet | 10:56 |
| jkollie | How are you doing smohamud and dcammue ? | 10:56 |
| jelkner | dcammue, do you have starlink back yet? | 10:56 |
| dcammue | I am cool jkollie hope you are | 10:56 |
| smohamud | Jetro internet is back? | 10:56 |
| jkollie | That's good jelkner | 10:56 |
| smohamud | All good jkollie :) | 10:57 |
| dcammue | MTN ROUTER | 10:57 |
| jelkner | ahh | 10:57 |
| smohamud | good to have you here. | 10:57 |
| jelkner | when will the starlink be back, dcammue? | 10:57 |
| dcammue | The guy is not yet back in monrovia, he is in one of the counties | 10:58 |
| smohamud | Who's giving you access to the MTN ROUTER / Paying for it? | 10:58 |
| dcammue | Cape Mount County | 10:58 |
| smohamud | Oh it's public, just slow? | 10:58 |
| dcammue | We bought it 2years ago :-) | 10:58 |
| jelkner | MTN is one of the two main providers in Liberia, smohamud | 10:58 |
| jelkner | MTN and Orange | 10:58 |
| smohamud | Oh they're named as a "County" | 10:59 |
| smohamud | Got you jelkner | 10:59 |
| jelkner | MTN goes by the local brand "Lonestar" | 10:59 |
| dcammue | Yes | 10:59 |
| jelkner | Orange minutes, Lonestar minutes, recharge your phone! (right, dcammue? ;-) | 10:59 |
| smohamud | ok it's almost 2, we should get moving | 10:59 |
| dcammue | +1 jelkner | 11:00 |
| jelkner | smohamud, we need svaye an tboimah | 11:00 |
| jelkner | s/an/and | 11:00 |
| smohamud | got you... any idea of where they are? | 11:00 |
| jelkner | there's smohamud | 11:00 |
| jelkner | there's shallon | 11:00 |
| jelkner | i mean | 11:00 |
| jelkner | dratted tab complete :-( | 11:00 |
| smohamud | Also as a note, this is a reason why I think we should move to another communication method to *supplement* Jjtsi. | 11:00 |
| smohamud | This is no place to be discussing financials. | 11:01 |
| smohamud | ... | 11:01 |
| jelkner | smohamud, i don't agree | 11:01 |
| jelkner | i believe we should be completely transparent in our financials | 11:01 |
| jelkner | we always have been | 11:01 |
| zOnny | Good morning team! This past week my focus has been on my current job, so I haven’t had a full chance to check in on how our projects are going. That said, I’m happy to jump in and participate if my help is needed. No Blockers. | 11:01 |
| zOnny | ACTION done | 11:01 |
| jelkner | smohamud, i believe *all* books of *any* business should be public records | 11:02 |
| jelkner | captialists hide behind secrecy | 11:02 |
| jelkner | that's how they rule over us | 11:02 |
| jelkner | anyway | 11:03 |
| jelkner | gang's all hear | 11:03 |
| smohamud | jelkner let's chat more after this, I have some thoughts but ofc I agree make the numbers public but the back-and-forth negotation and opinions are personal. It probably makes people less comfortable speaking their mind. | 11:03 |
| jelkner | we have signal conversations now working for that, smohamud | 11:04 |
| jelkner | i agree, we should all be having personal conversations with each other | 11:04 |
| jelkner | we are | 11:04 |
| smohamud | Ok let's def hash it out later bc it's part of a braoder convo we've been having | 11:04 |
| jelkner | i call you, i call zOnny, i call dcammue | 11:04 |
| dcammue | We need records to be saved as well | 11:04 |
| smohamud | That I will write a proposal for and see what folks think. | 11:04 |
| smohamud | Or, I might not write a proposal. | 11:04 |
| jelkner | why not talk about this now? | 11:04 |
| jelkner | i think this is really important | 11:05 |
| smohamud | Anyhow we're ready to go. Because we came with a priority item. The communication tools we use have been static for years. | 11:05 |
| smohamud | Signal is new, but Jitsi is the main one has been consistent other than Element I believe. | 11:05 |
| smohamud | I also have a-lot going on today. | 11:05 |
| smohamud | It is 100% very important. | 11:06 |
| dcammue | smohamud: i think here is better because of the different accent | 11:06 |
| dcammue | People might not get the message clear during voice conversation | 11:06 |
| smohamud | It's not exclusive of Jitsi, it would just be expanding what we use to communicate. Imagine if we had a chat with multiple threads you could revisit | 11:07 |
| smohamud | without having to dig through daily logs, easily searchable. | 11:07 |
| smohamud | Anyways, another day. | 11:07 |
| smohamud | :) | 11:07 |
| jelkner | smohamud, i think now is the day | 11:07 |
| jelkner | it is really central to the conversation i was hoping to have this morning | 11:08 |
| jelkner | so let's not postpone it | 11:08 |
| jelkner | let's embrace it | 11:08 |
| smohamud | Ok, I'm ready for it | 11:08 |
| smohamud | I didn't think it was related. | 11:08 |
| jelkner | here's how | 11:08 |
| jelkner | 1. We need an effective way to run our business | 11:09 |
| jelkner | 2. That means being able to look at monthly financial reports (in Gnucash, i imaging), and making decisions based on them | 11:09 |
| jelkner | 3. We also need to communicate about our software development | 11:10 |
| jelkner | and we need to make decisions together synchronously about what to do | 11:10 |
| jelkner | my big concern, smohamud, is that you are suggesting changes to a workflow that works | 11:10 |
| jelkner | when what we need to do is focus on completing contracts and generating revenue | 11:11 |
| jelkner | just for everyone's benefit | 11:11 |
| smohamud | My view is that because of the inefficient communication, through signal chats without having Threads for different clients, it costs us a lot of time. | 11:11 |
| jelkner | we should make clear a conversation i had with smohamud | 11:11 |
| smohamud | I also wouldn't say it's "working" for the Engineering Circiel. | 11:11 |
| jelkner | i don't work the way he does | 11:12 |
| jelkner | so i agreed with him that if he is in charge, he needs to be empowered the way he is comfortable | 11:12 |
| jelkner | provided it really works | 11:12 |
| smohamud | Here's what Jeff and I spoke about and what I proposed (to get everyone on the same page) | 11:12 |
| jelkner | so what i am proposing is this: | 11:12 |
| smohamud | Oh sorry, yep? | 11:12 |
| jelkner | we use the "relative autonomy" that is part of the sociocracy process | 11:13 |
| jelkner | to allow different circles to operate how they feel comfortable | 11:13 |
| jelkner | then we can see in practice what works and what doesn't | 11:13 |
| jelkner | "let a hundred flowers bloom" ;-) | 11:14 |
| jelkner | i talked to zOnny about this too | 11:14 |
| jelkner | cjones and i have projects that we can find | 11:14 |
| jelkner | we will let zOnny work with whomever jetro and smohamud agree is available to handle those projects | 11:15 |
| jelkner | cjones and i will help represent the customers | 11:15 |
| jelkner | and i will want to meet here, on irc | 11:15 |
| jelkner | it works, i know how to use it | 11:15 |
| jelkner | and it has been working for me for a LONG time | 11:15 |
| jelkner | smohamud is taking charge of Claudia Jones School, Next System AMS, and the new project for his mother's business | 11:16 |
| jelkner | he should assemble a circle (dev team) for those | 11:16 |
| jelkner | and that circle can set up the communications they are comfortable with | 11:17 |
| jelkner | and the end of each month | 11:17 |
| jelkner | we come together and report | 11:17 |
| jelkner | how did we do? | 11:17 |
| jelkner | what's our revenue | 11:17 |
| jelkner | what new work do we have? | 11:17 |
| jelkner | have we completed the work from before? | 11:18 |
| jelkner | what is our financial picture moving into the new month? | 11:18 |
| jelkner | can we afford to keep the lights on? | 11:18 |
| jelkner | etc. | 11:18 |
| jelkner | i'll stop here for feedback | 11:18 |
| smohamud | I love 90% of this and think we should get to work ASAP on clarifying the Circles, give them measurable goals / metrics to report back on and ensure that within those circles a process in place to Deliver the results. | 11:19 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:19 |
| jelkner | today | 11:19 |
| jelkner | that's a big part of what we need to do right now | 11:19 |
| dcammue | Sure | 11:20 |
| smohamud | I think long run we still need a team-wide persistent communications platform that supports multiple named Threads and async communication. There are many inter-Circle and Circle-wide communications that need to happen and two circles typically just "meet up," given our schedules / time conflicts. | 11:20 |
| jelkner | smohamud, i'm not that interested in "in the long run" discussions now | 11:21 |
| jelkner | we can jump off that bridge when we get to it | 11:22 |
| jelkner | let's first determine if there is a "long run" | 11:22 |
| jelkner | but finding the simplest thing that works now | 11:22 |
| smohamud | Ok, but what I'm saying is that we should move to a platform as soon as we can. | 11:22 |
| smohamud | IRC is extremely time consuming for me. Do you know how frequently I want to remember something that was talked about but forget the day? | 11:23 |
| smohamud | That has cost me many minutes and many distractions. | 11:23 |
| jelkner | yes, smohamud, i get it | 11:23 |
| jelkner | i really do | 11:23 |
| smohamud | Not to mention, flipping between Signal for the NWD chat and WhatsApp for the other is also a *tax* | 11:23 |
| jelkner | but you don't understand the flip side | 11:23 |
| jelkner | we are so different | 11:23 |
| jelkner | i like simple structured, easy for my "bear of little brain" to handle things | 11:24 |
| smohamud | Can you at least explain why IRC is superior as a communication tool, not why it's not worth changing now bc things are somehow working. | 11:24 |
| jelkner | we meed at regular times | 11:24 |
| jelkner | making it easy to remember | 11:24 |
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| jelkner | you tend to be much more fluid in the way you work | 11:24 |
| jelkner | so you need a totally different kind of tool | 11:24 |
| jelkner | what will work for you won't work for me | 11:25 |
| jelkner | and visa versa | 11:25 |
| jelkner | i get that | 11:25 |
| smohamud | So Jeff, I think you're not seeing that Jetro and I and the rest of the team have a-lot of Asynchronous communication... | 11:25 |
| smohamud | Meeting regularly does not change that... | 11:25 |
| smohamud | (Well, not fully) | 11:25 |
| jelkner | smohamud, the SchoolTool team ran a project involving folks in Lithuania, Rhode Island, New Jersey and El Salvador | 11:26 |
| jelkner | using just the tools and workflow we are using now | 11:26 |
| jelkner | but i'm not trying to stop you | 11:26 |
| smohamud | Think about this. Thomas and I have talked on multiple projects, exchanged several messages and now if we wanted to revisit "what did I do that one time? Wait what was the resource Sahnun recommended?" It's a battle between checking 2-4 platforms . | 11:26 |
| jelkner | please, my dear beloved comrade, try it out in your circle | 11:26 |
| smohamud | Ok, that sounds good | 11:27 |
| smohamud | 100% | 11:27 |
| jelkner | if it works, we can have a real siocratic process later | 11:27 |
| smohamud | Ok I'll just ask the Dev team too what they're thinking. | 11:28 |
| jelkner | change happens all the time | 11:28 |
| smohamud | Ofc it's a Team Decision. | 11:28 |
| smohamud | Circle at least. | 11:28 |
| smohamud | 100% | 11:28 |
| jelkner | yes | 11:28 |
| jelkner | so great, can we talk about two circles now? | 11:28 |
| jelkner | and who will be in them | 11:28 |
| smohamud | +1 | 11:29 |
| jelkner | and what their deliverables will be | 11:29 |
| jelkner | smohamud, do you want to start? | 11:29 |
| jelkner | you have the big ticket projects | 11:29 |
| smohamud | (Tony isn't here) | 11:29 |
| jelkner | so i'd be most happy if we start with you and what you need | 11:29 |
| smohamud | Engineering Circle is one short. | 11:29 |
| smohamud | Umm, you mean for the Engineering Circle right? | 11:30 |
| smohamud | Or the Project-Based Circles | 11:30 |
| smohamud | Here's what I've been thinking for the Circles. I wrote it up in a way that I think makes a-lot of sense. | 11:30 |
| smohamud | The coop class seemed to have Circles based on Broad Categories rather than sepcific Projects | 11:30 |
| smohamud | I'm not opposed, but that's what I learned. And here's what I came up with (again, haven't shared bc it's **rough** thoughts. | 11:31 |
| jelkner | i think we need project circles at this point | 11:31 |
| jelkner | definitely | 11:31 |
| jelkner | i'm talking about a circle for NS AMS, CJS, and the new project | 11:32 |
| jelkner | what is the name of that project, btw? | 11:32 |
| jelkner | smohamud, we *definitely* need to organize ourselves this way in the short run | 11:33 |
| smohamud | Governance & Operations are separated, we need more granular roles than Operations. | 11:34 |
| smohamud | There’s Governance and Operations on a per-circle basis. | 11:34 |
| smohamud | For each Circle there should be clear expectations for what decisions require Governance (collective decision, mission/values/etc), advising from X, Y, Z individuals or Circles, notification to A, B, C individuals or Circles. | 11:34 |
| smohamud | Steps to do this: | 11:34 |
| smohamud | 1.) Define all the Circles | 11:34 |
| smohamud | 2.) Define all the members/interns/alumni in the Cooperative | 11:34 |
| smohamud | 3.) For each Circle, write down the members | 11:34 |
| smohamud | 4.) For each Circle, write down the common decisions that need to be made for it to fulfill its function. | 11:34 |
| smohamud | 5.) For each Decision, write down the rough frequency of occurrence and the urgency/timeframe. Is there a cost that comes with deferring X? | 11:34 |
| smohamud | 6. For each Decision, determine if it’s a “Circle Governance”, “Coop Governance”, “Seek Advice”, “Notify Circle,” “Notify Coop.” | 11:34 |
| smohamud | 7.) For each Decision, assign to the member who’s function is that. | 11:34 |
| smohamud | Circle-A Governance | 11:34 |
| smohamud | Circle-A Operations | 11:34 |
| smohamud | Coop Governance | 11:34 |
| smohamud | Coop Operations | 11:34 |
| smohamud | Circle B Governance | 11:34 |
| smohamud | Circle B Operations | 11:34 |
| smohamud | This is a rough Sketch of the things we need to sort out to have effecient and effective Circles. | 11:34 |
| smohamud | It's not a-lot but I can def see us adding to what we already have. | 11:34 |
| smohamud | It's a-lot | 11:34 |
| jelkner | it's too much for now! | 11:34 |
| jelkner | we need to get through the next few months | 11:35 |
| jelkner | we need two circle i think | 11:35 |
| jelkner | the first one in my head is the circle i just mentioned | 11:35 |
| smohamud | As far as Circles, there should be at least an Engineering Circle we can experiment with building. Doing it all at once is not a great idea but we should have a Roadmap. | 11:35 |
| jelkner | with smohamud as its experienced dev guiding the process the way he is comfortable | 11:35 |
| jelkner | i feel like we're talking past each other again | 11:36 |
| jelkner | like with the communication discussion | 11:37 |
| jelkner | we need to leave here ready to get busy | 11:37 |
| smohamud | I thought this was a good discussion and I'm happy to reply | 11:37 |
| jelkner | i'm waiting to talk budget numbers | 11:37 |
| smohamud | I agree I don't think we're off track | 11:37 |
| jelkner | but we need to arrive at circles first | 11:37 |
| jelkner | smohamud, what are we calling your mother's business website | 11:38 |
| jelkner | ? | 11:38 |
| jelkner | and who is part of your dev team? | 11:39 |
| smohamud | As you can see I'm opinionated on the Circles and would ask you to Trust me or wait to chat, given that I'm actively involved/engaged in a coop management class that talked about Circles a lot. | 11:39 |
| smohamud | Aadamiga | 11:39 |
| jelkner | that's great, but it's also dangerous to our immediate needs | 11:39 |
| smohamud | The nonprofit name, means similar to "humanitarian" in Somali | 11:39 |
| jelkner | cool | 11:40 |
| smohamud | Why don't we start with 2 circles and revisit in a week with Proposals? | 11:40 |
| smohamud | or a couple weeks. | 11:40 |
| jelkner | a month | 11:40 |
| jelkner | we need to leave here today with 2 circles | 11:40 |
| jelkner | and meet again in a month | 11:40 |
| jelkner | to share our stories | 11:41 |
| jelkner | and figure out where we go | 11:41 |
| jelkner | from there | 11:41 |
| smohamud | Our immediate need is to be productive on the projects. | 11:41 |
| smohamud | I agree | 11:41 |
| jelkner | maybe i should share the financial info now, and then loop back to the who is in what circle after we know what we have to work with? | 11:42 |
| smohamud | +1 | 11:42 |
| smohamud | sounds good | 11:42 |
| jelkner | ok, i am going to use my HELC (home equity line of credit) to burrow enough money to fulfill my obligations to provide funding to help us launch | 11:43 |
| smohamud | Mom is in no rush but can commit the first 1K to the project in the next few weeks. | 11:43 |
| smohamud | Up to 3K for the project. | 11:43 |
| jelkner | 1. Provide the final transfer of $1.5K to smohamud | 11:43 |
| jelkner | 2. Make a transfer of $5.5K to Jetro at their new co-op aligned bank | 11:44 |
| jelkner | i want to talk about what i expect to get in return for that $5K ($500 of that is Dr. Hubbard's project) | 11:44 |
| jelkner | since thomasboimah, dcammue, smohamud, jkollie, and dcammue, you need to understand | 11:45 |
| dcammue | sure, listening | 11:45 |
| jelkner | this will be the last funds i can send for 4 to 5 months | 11:45 |
| jelkner | i need to pay off the dept i'm incurring before i can think of sending any more | 11:45 |
| jelkner | that means you need to: | 11:45 |
| jelkner | 1. budget wisely | 11:45 |
| jelkner | 2. generate revenue soon! | 11:46 |
| jelkner | our biggest challenge isn't which communication tool we use | 11:46 |
| jelkner | it is going to be how we account for and divide up the limited resources we have | 11:46 |
| jelkner | we need to start keeping good books | 11:46 |
| jelkner | and by "we" here, i mean the complex of organizations involved | 11:47 |
| jelkner | SJC, NWD, JWD | 11:47 |
| jelkner | and even possibly SECOL | 11:47 |
| jelkner | SECOSOL | 11:47 |
| jelkner | i want to be involved with shallon and dcammue in the business circle | 11:48 |
| jelkner | but we need some devs in our circle too | 11:48 |
| jelkner | we are going to work the small gigs | 11:48 |
| jelkner | like the Capital Music group | 11:49 |
| jelkner | that cjones and i can bring in | 11:49 |
| jelkner | zOnny, do you want to help us with that? | 11:49 |
| jelkner | smohamud, your circle should definitely include thomasboimah | 11:50 |
| jelkner | since you need Jetro's most experienced dev to handle our biggest customers | 11:50 |
| jelkner | and you will need to come up with a timeline that can pay you and thomasboimah and whomever else you pick on the revenue you can generate | 11:51 |
| jelkner | that should frame our conversation | 11:51 |
| jelkner | since if we don't figure this out, we can't pay our bills and we are threatened with going out of business | 11:51 |
| jelkner | smohamud, does that make sense? | 11:52 |
| zOnny | jelkner: I just need the vm access and the person who is active in that project | 11:52 |
| jelkner | zOnny, we will get to that next | 11:52 |
| jelkner | i'm trying to establish the circles first | 11:52 |
| jelkner | we can plan in our circle once that is done | 11:52 |
| jelkner | smohamud, what do you think? | 11:53 |
| jelkner | smohamud, are you still here? | 11:54 |
| dcammue | pinch smohamud with call jelkner | 11:54 |
| jelkner | ACTION is pinching smohamud ;-) | 11:55 |
| smohamud | heer | 11:55 |
| smohamud | here | 11:55 |
| smohamud | sorry about that guys | 11:55 |
| smohamud | Thomas would be a great addition | 11:56 |
| jelkner | smohamud, we need to agree now on: | 11:56 |
| jelkner | 1. who is on your team | 11:57 |
| smohamud | Thomas let's chat about some of your current workload and what we might move around (if it becomes necessary...I'm doing most of it at this point). | 11:57 |
| jelkner | 2. that you will be self financing for the next several months | 11:57 |
| smohamud | Oh... | 11:57 |
| jelkner | meaning that whomever is on your team gets paid from the work you are doing | 11:57 |
| smohamud | For that project specifically. | 11:57 |
| smohamud | Who wants to work on it is my question? | 11:57 |
| jelkner | for the 3 projects! | 11:57 |
| smohamud | I see. | 11:58 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, our irc logs server is down again | 11:59 |
| jelkner | do you know what is up with that? | 11:59 |
| smohamud | Those projects are all so different I'd rather not separate like that. But, Zonny, Tony, Myself, Thomas, Daniel, Rachel. [This list is volunteers and paid members of the coops]. | 11:59 |
| smohamud | Anyone interested in joining please just reach out. | 11:59 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner: it is running | 12:00 |
| thomasboimah | Please check the url | 12:00 |
| jelkner | got it | 12:00 |
| jelkner | thanks | 12:00 |
| jelkner | everyone, please hold on while i call smohamud again | 12:00 |
| jelkner | we're not on the same page yet | 12:00 |
| smohamud | Hmm? | 12:00 |
| smohamud | No | 12:00 |
| jelkner | and it is blocking us | 12:00 |
| smohamud | I don't say we need a new circle | 12:00 |
| smohamud | I thought you were asking something else. | 12:01 |
| dcammue | Are we still in meeting? | 12:10 |
| smohamud | I'm sorry we're on the phone. | 12:10 |
| jelkner | we're back | 12:13 |
| jelkner | apologies folks | 12:13 |
| jelkner | but i can't understand this plan outside the two circle framework i'm proposing | 12:14 |
| jelkner | so i needed to work that out with smohamud first | 12:14 |
| jelkner | or we were blocking | 12:14 |
| jelkner | here is what i think smohamud proposed just before we hung up | 12:14 |
| jelkner | his circle will include only thomasboimah from JWD, as well as resl and tony from NWD | 12:15 |
| jelkner | i'm going to take responsibility for organizing the other circle with dcammue and the rest of the JWD folks | 12:16 |
| jelkner | can we have a round to see what folks think about that? | 12:16 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, what do you think? | 12:17 |
| jelkner | dcammue? | 12:18 |
| thomasboimah | Sure | 12:18 |
| thomasboimah | I'm willing and opening to work with any circle | 12:18 |
| dcammue | I think smohamud might be right to select only thomasboimah from Jetro because he knows who work with him comfortably and deliver result to the expected time | 12:18 |
| smohamud | There is definitely consultation I would like from Zonny... We should somehow figure out how that would work. | 12:18 |
| smohamud | Zonny built the UI for AMS and knows Claudia Jones better than anyone. | 12:19 |
| dcammue | so I am fine with the idea | 12:19 |
| smohamud | But that's a solid starting circle! | 12:19 |
| joseph_ | Hello jelkner and everyone, it Joseph thomasboimah friends I can to visit thomasboimah so I just decided to join and speak | 12:19 |
| joseph_ | *came | 12:20 |
| jelkner | great to see you joseph_ | 12:20 |
| smohamud | thanks for the intro. | 12:20 |
| joseph_ | I will quit now so you guys can have your I just coming to speak | 12:21 |
| smohamud | jelkner, your circle will be daniel, shallon and who else? | 12:21 |
| joseph_ | *meeting | 12:22 |
| joseph_ has left #novawebdev (None) | 12:22 | |
| smohamud | Thomas, would you like to be in my circle? | 12:22 |
| smohamud | Ok I see, you confirmed. | 12:23 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 12:23 |
| jelkner | smohamud, i'm thinking the rest of the JWD team | 12:23 |
| smohamud | Ok | 12:24 |
| smohamud | Long as they're happy with that. | 12:24 |
| jelkner | dcammue, are you clean on what the idea is? | 12:24 |
| jelkner | that's really important | 12:24 |
| jelkner | since the revenue for JWD depends on it going forward | 12:25 |
| jelkner | so we *really* need to figure this out! | 12:25 |
| jelkner | dcammue, can you summarize what you think our circle will be responsible for? | 12:26 |
| dcammue | you mean you want one dev person to be in our circle | 12:26 |
| dcammue | right? | 12:26 |
| dcammue | our circle will be responsible for handling business, small project, | 12:27 |
| jelkner | yes | 12:27 |
| jelkner | great | 12:27 |
| dcammue | simple website, | 12:27 |
| jelkner | cool | 12:27 |
| jelkner | so, dcammue (and we lost shallon), but we need her input | 12:27 |
| dcammue | and need one dev person to help us for maybe js, but i can try too lol | 12:27 |
| jelkner | dcammue, can you ping shallon? | 12:29 |
| jelkner | since we really need her input | 12:29 |
| jelkner | while we wait for shallon, we can start to talk numbers | 12:30 |
| dcammue | okay | 12:30 |
| jelkner | and ask her to check the logs | 12:30 |
| jelkner | if thomasboimah works with smohamud's circle | 12:31 |
| jelkner | he will be paid his monthly $500 from that circle | 12:31 |
| jelkner | dcammue is the only other current salaried JWD member | 12:31 |
| jelkner | which required $500 per month | 12:32 |
| jelkner | dcammue, we need an itemized list of the monthly JWD expenses | 12:32 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:32 |
| jelkner | rent, Internet, electricity and others | 12:32 |
| jelkner | we need that ASAP | 12:32 |
| jelkner | shallon, are you back? | 12:32 |
| dcammue | I can email you that after the meeting, | 12:34 |
| jelkner | great dcammue | 12:34 |
| jelkner | i need that | 12:34 |
| jelkner | shallon, are you here? | 12:34 |
| dcammue | i tried pinching shallon but seem she is off | 12:34 |
| jelkner | ok, so this is an issue we need to resolve dcammue | 12:34 |
| jelkner | part of our discussion with shallon | 12:35 |
| jelkner | so let's think this through | 12:35 |
| jelkner | dcammue, you will have $5K in you bank account | 12:35 |
| dcammue | okay | 12:36 |
| jelkner | and unless we can generate more revenue over the next few months | 12:36 |
| jelkner | that's all you'll have | 12:36 |
| jelkner | so the sense of urgency is real | 12:36 |
| jelkner | i want to be clear again | 12:36 |
| jelkner | i won't be able to send any more for several months | 12:36 |
| smohamud | we will work together and make it happen. | 12:36 |
| jelkner | smohamud, it will help if you can focus on providing for your circle | 12:37 |
| jelkner | and let dcammue and jelkner worry about ours | 12:37 |
| smohamud | my bad, I thought this was a general meeting | 12:37 |
| jelkner | that will help | 12:37 |
| smohamud | no worries | 12:37 |
| jelkner | lol | 12:37 |
| smohamud | I will be back. Have a good one everyone | 12:38 |
| jelkner | thanks smohamud | 12:38 |
| smohamud has quit (Quit: Leaving) | 12:38 | |
| dcammue | if i am thinking clear, thomasboimah will get paid from the circle he is currently on for this month? | 12:39 |
| jelkner | so this is a great question dcammue | 12:39 |
| jelkner | we don't have our accounting practices clear yet | 12:39 |
| jelkner | just a "heads up" as we say, my dear beloved comrades | 12:40 |
| jelkner | this is likely to be a stressful few months | 12:40 |
| jelkner | so be prepared for that | 12:40 |
| jelkner | we are trying to launch the business | 12:40 |
| jelkner | the time we have long been talking about is here | 12:40 |
| jelkner | dcammue, i am going to argue that we need to get Sahnun's circle to be self financing | 12:41 |
| jelkner | let's think about several possibilities | 12:41 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:41 |
| jelkner | and have plans for each | 12:42 |
| jelkner | one of the frameworks they teach in business school is SWOT analysis | 12:42 |
| jelkner | dcammue, have you learned that yet? | 12:42 |
| dcammue | not yet | 12:42 |
| jelkner | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWOT_analysis | 12:43 |
| zOnny | https://biz.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Management/Mastering_Strategic_Management/04%3A_Managing_Firm_Resources/4.06%3A_SWOT_Analysis | 12:43 |
| jelkner | zOnny learned it ;-) | 12:43 |
| jelkner | keep in mind whenever we use these kinds of frameworks, they have their issues | 12:44 |
| jelkner | they assume that human beings can be characterized as "homo economicus" | 12:44 |
| dcammue | Strength, weakness, opportunities, and threats | 12:44 |
| shallon | I am so sorry for the Internet, I believe our circle will take care of customers, manage financial records, and be the bridge between the dev team and the customers | 12:44 |
| jelkner | glad your back shallon | 12:45 |
| zOnny | https://biz.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Management/Principles_of_Management_(OpenStax)/08%3A_Strategic_Analysis_-_Understanding_a_Firms_Competitive_Environment/8.03%3A_Using_SWOT_for_Strategic_Analysis | 12:45 |
| jelkner | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_economicus | 12:46 |
| jelkner | almost all available sociological research indicates this assumption is false | 12:46 |
| jelkner | we aren't selfish individual "benefit maximizing" entities | 12:47 |
| jelkner | we exhibit behaviors all the time that indicate that we are often the opposite of that | 12:47 |
| jelkner | we are social animals | 12:47 |
| jelkner | and we depend on each other for survival | 12:47 |
| jelkner | any, i don't mean to go on a tangent now | 12:47 |
| jelkner | i just want to be clear when I use idea from regular business school | 12:48 |
| jelkner | i am aware the the whole foundation on which they are built is a lie | 12:48 |
| dcammue | sure | 12:48 |
| jelkner | but still, there are useful things we can learn | 12:48 |
| jelkner | and given that we exist in a context of capitalist social relations | 12:49 |
| jelkner | we need to survive under those conditions | 12:49 |
| jelkner | until we have the power to change them | 12:49 |
| jelkner | so back to SWOT | 12:49 |
| jelkner | dcammue, you should read up on that | 12:49 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:49 |
| jelkner | i imagine it will come up in your studies | 12:50 |
| jelkner | so it stands for Strenghts, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats | 12:50 |
| jelkner | What are our strengths? | 12:50 |
| dcammue | sure, my next semester | 12:50 |
| shallon | We did SWOT during the first term at Uopeople jelkner | 12:50 |
| jelkner | thanks, shallon | 12:51 |
| jelkner | so, what are our strengths? | 12:51 |
| jelkner | there is no "right" answer | 12:51 |
| jelkner | but it helps for us to think about it | 12:51 |
| jelkner | i can list a bunch, but i would rather you go first | 12:52 |
| shallon | We are purpose driven | 12:52 |
| jelkner | what else? | 12:52 |
| jelkner | dcammue, list several | 12:52 |
| shallon | We are always willing to improve and we are united as a team | 12:52 |
| jelkner | nice | 12:52 |
| zOnny | I did Applied it with my current job in my assignment https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_-eynCce0S1ZyTe1wBFe1aQ-5qLvOxYtEalAOw6OKSk/edit?usp=sharing | 12:52 |
| jelkner | thanks zOnny | 12:53 |
| jelkner | wow, zOnny this is great | 12:53 |
| jelkner | dcammue, how about you? | 12:53 |
| dcammue | we are of consistency, willing to learn new ideas | 12:54 |
| jelkner | great | 12:54 |
| jelkner | what else? | 12:54 |
| shallon | And for the practical side we have a pretty good dev team | 12:55 |
| dcammue | support each other and show the right path to those who seem to lost | 12:55 |
| jelkner | super | 12:55 |
| dcammue | to be lost* | 12:55 |
| shallon | For now the dev team is the strongest team for both novaweb and jetroweb | 12:55 |
| jelkner | i'd like to add that you are intelligent and adaptable | 12:56 |
| jelkner | you learn and grow quickly | 12:56 |
| jelkner | so we are using JWD as our framework here | 12:56 |
| jelkner | that's what we're talking about | 12:56 |
| jelkner | so, let's talk about weaknesses | 12:56 |
| jelkner | what are JWD's weaknesses? | 12:57 |
| dcammue | ineffective communication, | 12:57 |
| jelkner | ok, we should explore that further. what else? | 12:58 |
| jelkner | shallon? | 12:58 |
| dcammue | hard time getting all members in one place at a time | 12:58 |
| jelkner | great, what else? | 12:58 |
| dcammue | handling customers | 12:59 |
| dcammue | meeting their needs, | 12:59 |
| jelkner | ok, and you shallon, anything to add? | 12:59 |
| shallon | We are still learning to do one thing at a time | 13:00 |
| zOnny | delegations? | 13:00 |
| jelkner | good | 13:00 |
| jelkner | zOnny, what do you mean? | 13:00 |
| zOnny | task delegations | 13:01 |
| jelkner | got it | 13:01 |
| jelkner | good | 13:01 |
| dcammue | I agree somehow with zOnny, delegating or committing to schedule | 13:01 |
| jelkner | ok, i'll add what i think is JWD's greatest weakness | 13:01 |
| jelkner | it is under resources and lacks infrastructure | 13:02 |
| jelkner | under resourced | 13:02 |
| zOnny | I think it is a good weekend point I used to struggle with but after my class I ended up applying with my current team slowly | 13:02 |
| zOnny | **weekness | 13:02 |
| zOnny | **weakness | 13:02 |
| jelkner | you mean at your main job, zOnny? | 13:03 |
| zOnny | yup | 13:03 |
| jelkner | cool | 13:03 |
| jelkner | that's why this is useful | 13:03 |
| jelkner | it can help us become more effective | 13:03 |
| jelkner | in fact | 13:03 |
| jelkner | regarding infrastructure | 13:03 |
| jelkner | i've been raising it as a crucial weakness for years | 13:04 |
| jelkner | and look at the progress we have made! | 13:04 |
| jelkner | the office, the starlink | 13:04 |
| jelkner | the generator | 13:04 |
| jelkner | all crucial infrastructure that we didn't have | 13:04 |
| jelkner | and now we do | 13:04 |
| jelkner | ok, how about opportunities | 13:05 |
| jelkner | ? | 13:05 |
| dcammue | we have opportunities | 13:05 |
| jelkner | yes, dcammue, list some | 13:06 |
| jelkner | shallon, you too | 13:06 |
| shallon | The connection between jetroweb and novaweb is one of our biggest opportunities | 13:06 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:06 |
| dcammue | we have all we need to do what we want and dream to do | 13:06 |
| jelkner | be more specific dcammue | 13:06 |
| jelkner | we need to be concrete if we want to plan well | 13:06 |
| shallon | Jetroweb has more to do the work, and novaweb knows how to get the work | 13:07 |
| shallon | *people | 13:07 |
| dcammue | office, internet, computers, basic or more knowledge on computer, resource to help us get to the office even it is not much | 13:07 |
| dcammue | we are still young folks | 13:08 |
| dcammue | we have more energy and time to do more | 13:08 |
| jelkner | true, but that is sounding more like strengths | 13:08 |
| jelkner | not opportunities | 13:08 |
| jelkner | keep in mind the difference | 13:08 |
| jelkner | SW are internal | 13:08 |
| jelkner | they are about us | 13:08 |
| jelkner | OT is external, it is about the world outside us | 13:09 |
| jelkner | so shallon was more on the mark with the connection between NWD and JWD | 13:09 |
| jelkner | but i really want to dig deeper into that | 13:09 |
| jelkner | since it is a *crucial* opportunity | 13:09 |
| jelkner | we are starting a business | 13:10 |
| jelkner | we need to analyze the market | 13:10 |
| jelkner | and find a demand for something we can offer | 13:10 |
| zOnny | coop-networks | 13:10 |
| jelkner | +1 zOnny | 13:10 |
| jelkner | we have that as a real potential opportunity | 13:10 |
| jelkner | the solidarity economy in general | 13:11 |
| zOnny | Groups like the U.S. Federation of Worker Cooperatives and Tech Co-op Network, subcontracting, etc | 13:11 |
| jelkner | yes indeed, but i think those are at least months away for now | 13:11 |
| jelkner | since in the immediate term | 13:11 |
| jelkner | we need to start taking on business and handling it | 13:12 |
| jelkner | small jobs that we do ourselves | 13:12 |
| jelkner | although i am already making connections with other co-ops | 13:12 |
| jelkner | when i attended the VASEN retreat last weekend i talked with workers from two of them | 13:13 |
| jelkner | but we are not quite ready | 13:13 |
| jelkner | we don't yet have the level of skill we need | 13:13 |
| jelkner | one reason i'm pushing this two circle approach is to best handle the threats | 13:14 |
| jelkner | so let me address that briefly so we can move on and bring closure to what we will do next | 13:14 |
| zOnny | +1 | 13:14 |
| zOnny | Losing one or two major partners can destabilize the whole co-op | 13:15 |
| jelkner | the big projects, Aadamiga, NS AMS and CJS are our best opportunity | 13:15 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, you'll be working with Sahnun on those projects | 13:15 |
| jelkner | if they succeed, we can get more like them and we will be on our way | 13:16 |
| jelkner | but if they don't succeed, and that in my mind is the biggest threat | 13:16 |
| jelkner | we will need a back up plan | 13:16 |
| jelkner | that's why i want two circles | 13:16 |
| jelkner | i hope Sahnun is able to make those projects work | 13:17 |
| jelkner | if he can | 13:17 |
| jelkner | we are on our way | 13:18 |
| jelkner | if he can't, i don't want JWD to go down with the ship | 13:18 |
| jelkner | so i want to work with you two, dcammue and shallon, on our "Plan B" | 13:18 |
| jelkner | and the best part is that if plan A succeeds | 13:19 |
| zOnny | I think small circles matter because they fix the co-op weakness from the SWOT: slow decision-making | 13:19 |
| jelkner | +1 zOnny | 13:19 |
| jelkner | we need to just do stuff | 13:19 |
| jelkner | let's not over engineer! | 13:19 |
| jelkner | let' | 13:19 |
| jelkner | let's just take on customers, do work for them, deliver and bill | 13:19 |
| jelkner | we need to start now | 13:19 |
| jelkner | so let's talk about how this works concretely | 13:20 |
| jelkner | dcammue, you may be asked to do some dev work | 13:20 |
| dcammue | +1 | 13:20 |
| jelkner | but shallon and dcammue we want to look for two other revenue streams | 13:20 |
| jelkner | we need JWD to start charging for bookkeeping | 13:20 |
| jelkner | we are blocking on bookkeeping | 13:21 |
| jelkner | and it is going to soon get a lot worse | 13:21 |
| jelkner | taxes will be coming due | 13:21 |
| jelkner | and we have to keep the NWD, JWD and SJC finances clear | 13:21 |
| jelkner | SJC finances are about to become serious | 13:22 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, we need you in this part of the discussion | 13:22 |
| jelkner | SJC finances haven't existed until now | 13:22 |
| jelkner | all the money came from jelkner, and he disbursed it as he wanted to | 13:22 |
| jelkner | not any more | 13:22 |
| jelkner | Dr. Hubbard put in funds for his project | 13:23 |
| zOnny | Santa Clause has retired | 13:23 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah has agreed we will use SJC for funding the emergency medial NGO | 13:23 |
| jelkner | and Arlington County is granting SJC $25K for a digital equity project | 13:24 |
| jelkner | all those funding streams needed to be separated | 13:24 |
| jelkner | so that funds go where they are supposed to go | 13:24 |
| jelkner | shallon, that's why i suggested you become the next salaried JWD person | 13:25 |
| jelkner | the goal is to have all 8 of you earning a $500 monthly salary by two years from now | 13:25 |
| jelkner | in my head, that's the goal | 13:25 |
| jelkner | so i suggested you next shallon | 13:25 |
| jelkner | since you and dcammue have been focusing on bookkeeping and business management | 13:26 |
| jelkner | and that's our biggest short term opportunity | 13:26 |
| jelkner | we need to make up the rules here | 13:26 |
| jelkner | how much will JWD charge for this service? | 13:26 |
| jelkner | we need to decide that soon | 13:26 |
| jelkner | so you can start: | 13:27 |
| jelkner | 1. doing it | 13:27 |
| jelkner | 2. charging for it | 13:27 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 13:27 |
| dcammue | +1 | 13:27 |
| shallon | +1 | 13:27 |
| jelkner | and dcammue and shallon, you have to manage that $5K well | 13:27 |
| jelkner | you need to make it last for several months | 13:27 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah needs to be paid | 13:27 |
| jelkner | but you need to put pressure on Sahnun's team to pay for his work | 13:28 |
| jelkner | so that you can pay yourselves, and the the monthly expenses, from the $5K | 13:28 |
| jelkner | without running out | 13:28 |
| jelkner | it's going to be a challenge | 13:29 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner: I am going to give all my best to work with Sahnun, so this can work | 13:29 |
| jelkner | but like zOnny said, poor old santa clause is dead ;-) | 13:29 |
| jelkner | i know you will, thomasboimah! | 13:29 |
| jelkner | i'm counting on you | 13:29 |
| jelkner | dcammue, you need to talk with jallah and gabriel too | 13:29 |
| jelkner | we need to grow the team | 13:30 |
| jelkner | we can't afford to put them on salary yet | 13:30 |
| jelkner | that means we need to have them work on specific projects and earn only part of what those projects generate | 13:30 |
| jelkner | zOnny will work the same way as them | 13:30 |
| jelkner | when we get a new project | 13:30 |
| dcammue | okay | 13:31 |
| jelkner | we will have to figure out how much we will charge, and how the revenue will be divided among us | 13:31 |
| jelkner | and shallon and dcammue | 13:31 |
| jelkner | you have to do the bookkeeping well! | 13:31 |
| jelkner | so we can have a monthly financial picture of how this is working | 13:32 |
| jelkner | shallon, dcammue what do you think? | 13:32 |
| shallon | That's a good plan jelkner | 13:32 |
| jelkner | dcammue? | 13:33 |
| dcammue | That's a solid plan | 13:33 |
| jelkner | cool | 13:33 |
| jelkner | there is one more very concrete thing | 13:33 |
| jelkner | shallon, dcammue we need to get ready for a meeting with Lindsey | 13:33 |
| jelkner | we are blocking on you | 13:34 |
| jelkner | you need to have your starlink back | 13:34 |
| dcammue | sure | 13:34 |
| jelkner | and you need to be ready to do a screen share in Jitsi where you show her the books in gnucash and explain what you are doing | 13:34 |
| jelkner | and ask her for suggestions | 13:35 |
| jelkner | when you are ready | 13:35 |
| jelkner | i'll set up the first meeting | 13:35 |
| dcammue | but i think the MTN can handle that meeting since there is not much weight on it by then | 13:35 |
| jelkner | i don't like it | 13:35 |
| jelkner | my experience is that it can't | 13:35 |
| dcammue | okay | 13:35 |
| jelkner | we don't want to have her come to a meeting | 13:35 |
| jelkner | and then spend all morning fighting the tech | 13:36 |
| dcammue | and we dropped off | 13:36 |
| jelkner | right | 13:36 |
| jelkner | terrible! | 13:36 |
| jelkner | we don't want that | 13:36 |
| dcammue | sure | 13:36 |
| jelkner | so let's wait on the starlink | 13:36 |
| dcammue | okay, | 13:36 |
| jelkner | i know from being there how much more reliable it is | 13:36 |
| jelkner | ok, cool | 13:36 |
| dcammue | so, who else is on our circle | 13:37 |
| dcammue | i know off jelkner shallon and dcammue | 13:37 |
| jelkner | dcammue, shallon, jkollie, jelkner, zOnny and the rest of the JWD team ;-) | 13:37 |
| dcammue | okay | 13:37 |
| dcammue | copied | 13:37 |
| dcammue | quick clarity before you go jelkner | 13:38 |
| jelkner | yes? | 13:38 |
| jelkner | and i need confirm i have your eco bank info | 13:38 |
| jelkner | so i can make the transfer | 13:38 |
| dcammue | from the meeting today, it means shallon is getting paid for nextmonth? | 13:38 |
| dcammue | *next month | 13:39 |
| jelkner | i'm transferring $5.5K dcammue | 13:39 |
| jelkner | it's not for me to tell you how to spend it | 13:39 |
| jelkner | but you need to deliver bookkeeping services to me, your customer ;-) | 13:39 |
| jelkner | i have observed that JWD is really good at making decisions on its own | 13:40 |
| dcammue | +1, i know, but it will be hard for me to know what to do when you just say shallon will is the next paid staff, and not | 13:40 |
| jelkner | i didn't decide that, dcammue | 13:41 |
| jelkner | you did | 13:41 |
| dcammue | telling me if it starts next month | 13:41 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, remind him please | 13:41 |
| jelkner | didn't you all tell me you would have a meeting about that | 13:41 |
| jelkner | and then you emailed me telling me you had made a decision | 13:41 |
| jelkner | am i wrong about that? | 13:41 |
| zOnny | ACTION is heading out to drop off his dad | 13:41 |
| jelkner | bye zOnny | 13:41 |
| dcammue | we di | 13:42 |
| jelkner | i'll call you later | 13:42 |
| dcammue | *did | 13:42 |
| jelkner | ok then | 13:42 |
| jelkner | why are you asking me? | 13:42 |
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| thomasboimah | jelkner: freena will send jetro eco bank info to you before Tuesday | 13:42 |
| jelkner | ok, i won't make the transfer until then | 13:43 |
| jelkner | i was going to do it this morning | 13:43 |
| jelkner | but i need that info first | 13:43 |
| dcammue | we have meeting on if she can do the work, not when she can start to get paid | 13:43 |
| jelkner | well, my dear friend, you all decide that | 13:43 |
| jelkner | but i need books! | 13:43 |
| jelkner | so someone has to do them | 13:43 |
| jelkner | i'm the customer | 13:43 |
| jelkner | this is the test we were talking about | 13:44 |
| dcammue | sure, | 13:44 |
| jelkner | if you want to get paid, you need to deliver the goods ;-) | 13:44 |
| dcammue | i get to understand now | 13:44 |
| jelkner | cool | 13:44 |
| jelkner | anything else for me before i go work on school work? | 13:45 |
| thomasboimah | Yes | 13:45 |
| jelkner | shallon, dcammue we need to get the payment for the DC Music thing done too! | 13:45 |
| jelkner | go for it thomasboimah | 13:45 |
| jelkner | jkollie, stay tuned for info from me on 10/30 as soon as i get it | 13:46 |
| thomasboimah | The invoice have been send to CMN to make the transfer to novawebdev bank account, please keep your eyes out for that | 13:46 |
| jkollie | Got it jelkner | 13:46 |
| dcammue | jelkner, i did sent the invoice yesterday using NWD account | 13:46 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, thanks for bringing this up | 13:47 |
| jelkner | we want to see if we can find a way for shallon and dcammue to have access to the NWD account | 13:47 |
| jelkner | if they are going to be doing the business and financial management, they will need that | 13:47 |
| jelkner | i'm thinking the only way is with a VPN | 13:48 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 13:48 |
| jelkner | we'll need to work that out soon | 13:48 |
| thomasboimah | I will look into that and get back to you | 13:48 |
| jelkner | also, thomasboimah, we left your friend joseph waiting | 13:48 |
| jelkner | thanks thomasboimah | 13:48 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, they can use my account | 13:49 |
| thomasboimah | Yes he just joined to speak | 13:49 |
| jelkner | got you | 13:49 |
| jelkner | but he didn't really get the change, right? | 13:49 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner: quick question | 13:49 |
| jelkner | go for it | 13:49 |
| jelkner | s/change/chance | 13:49 |
| thomasboimah | Is the donation you promise ECL on the jetro transfer? | 13:49 |
| jelkner | great question | 13:50 |
| jelkner | it makes sense to do that | 13:50 |
| jelkner | but shallon and dcammue, now i *really* need you to step up!! | 13:50 |
| dcammue | sure | 13:50 |
| jelkner | we are making one transfer involving a single amount | 13:50 |
| jelkner | but it is really several transfers | 13:51 |
| jelkner | in one | 13:51 |
| jelkner | from completely separate organizations! | 13:51 |
| jelkner | a bookkeeping nightmare!!!! | 13:51 |
| dcammue | lol | 13:51 |
| dcammue | sweet and interesting | 13:52 |
| shallon | The work will be on novaweb books and jetroweb will be much simpler | 13:52 |
| jelkner | ACTION imagines himself spending the last years of his life in jail for financial fraud :( | 13:52 |
| dcammue | never jelkner | 13:52 |
| jelkner | so, my dear beloved comrades, your task is to keep your old friend out of jail! ;-) | 13:53 |
| shallon | No one's going to jail jelkner | 13:53 |
| jelkner | thanks, shallon | 13:53 |
| dcammue | like our old comrade did for one of us before :-) | 13:53 |
| jelkner | lol | 13:53 |
| dcammue | lol | 13:53 |
| jelkner | yes, let's all stay our of jail | 13:53 |
| jelkner | s/our/out | 13:54 |
| jelkner | ok, is that it? | 13:54 |
| dcammue | +1 by helping to do the needful | 13:54 |
| jelkner | yup | 13:54 |
| jelkner | ok, all let's schedule our next meeting | 13:54 |
| dcammue | should it be a month from now? | 13:55 |
| jelkner | no, dcammue | 13:55 |
| dcammue | or three weeks or a week | 13:55 |
| jelkner | i was talking about the co-op wide meeting between the circles | 13:55 |
| jelkner | i think we could do that in a month at this stage | 13:55 |
| jelkner | our JWD circle should try to meet weekly | 13:56 |
| dcammue | okay | 13:56 |
| jelkner | next Saturday i have a Community Wealth Building event in DC at 10 am | 13:56 |
| jelkner | i need to leave around 9 am | 13:56 |
| jelkner | that 13:00 UTC | 13:56 |
| jelkner | so can we meet at 11:00 UTC as usual? | 13:57 |
| dcammue | +1 | 13:57 |
| jelkner | shallon? | 13:57 |
| shallon | +1 | 13:57 |
| jelkner | great, and what will you do between now and then? | 13:57 |
| jkollie | +1 | 13:57 |
| jelkner | nice jkollie | 13:57 |
| jelkner | i will: | 13:57 |
| jelkner | 1. find out more about the 10/30 meeting for jkollie | 13:58 |
| jelkner | 2. make the transfer as soon as i get the eco bank info | 13:58 |
| dcammue | we will try to see how best we can update the JWD book | 13:58 |
| jelkner | 3. follow up on CMN payment | 13:58 |
| jelkner | dcammue, shallon jkollie this to do process is important | 13:59 |
| jelkner | should we use the NextCloud Kanban board for that? | 13:59 |
| dcammue | yes | 14:00 |
| dcammue | i need to get adapted to that | 14:00 |
| jelkner | so, whose task is it, shallon or dcammue to setup a kanban board for our next meeting | 14:00 |
| jelkner | let's start working more this way | 14:00 |
| jelkner | when we meet next week | 14:00 |
| dcammue | I can take on that | 14:01 |
| dcammue | bc i want to get to know it better | 14:01 |
| jelkner | ok, so shallon can you be responsible for the books? | 14:01 |
| shallon | Sure | 14:01 |
| jelkner | we will want dcammue to present the kanban board | 14:01 |
| jelkner | and shallow to present the books | 14:01 |
| jelkner | dcammue, when is starlink coming? | 14:01 |
| jelkner | do you think we'll have it by then? | 14:01 |
| dcammue | I asked the guy, and he did not give me specified date of hisreturn | 14:02 |
| jelkner | it would be great to setup a Jitsi next week to screen share | 14:02 |
| jelkner | wow, dcammue | 14:02 |
| dcammue | *his return | 14:02 |
| jelkner | that's tough | 14:02 |
| dcammue | yes | 14:02 |
| jelkner | very hard to plan when you don't know when things will happen | 14:02 |
| jelkner | ok, we do what we can | 14:02 |
| jelkner | we can try to screen share with MTN | 14:03 |
| dcammue | now | 14:03 |
| jelkner | no, next week | 14:03 |
| dcammue | yes | 14:03 |
| jelkner | i won't invite Lindsey | 14:03 |
| dcammue | we can! | 14:03 |
| dcammue | i know | 14:03 |
| jelkner | and i warn you, as soon as it drops, i'll give us | 14:03 |
| jelkner | s/us/up | 14:04 |
| jelkner | i don't have time to play with broken tech | 14:04 |
| jelkner | but we can give it a go | 14:04 |
| jelkner | alright my friends | 14:04 |
| jelkner | see you next week | 14:04 |
| dcammue | Thanks for the great meeting jelkner | 14:04 |
| shallon | Have a wonderful weekend jelkner | 14:04 |
| dcammue | nice weekend jelkner | 14:05 |
| jelkner | you too dcammue, jkollie, shallon and thomasboimah! | 14:05 |
| jkollie | Take care jelkner | 14:05 |
| jelkner | bye for now... | 14:05 |
| dcammue | jelkner, | 14:05 |
| jelkner | lol | 14:05 |
| jelkner | yes? | 14:05 |
| dcammue | can i get the kanban board | 14:05 |
| dcammue | link | 14:05 |
| jelkner | ask thomasboimah | 14:05 |
| dcammue | or how doo i fi | 14:05 |
| dcammue | okay | 14:05 |
| jelkner | that's why you live with him! ;-) | 14:05 |
| dcammue | bye | 14:05 |
| dcammue | sure | 14:06 |
| jelkner | bye | 14:06 |
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| resl | smohamud: I found a Slack FOSS alt I think, other than setting up a Matrix channel: https://framateam.org/login | 20:24 |
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