| jelkner | Good morning dcammue | 09:55 |
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| jelkner | i tried to call because i saw you had tried to call | 09:55 |
| jelkner | what's up? | 09:55 |
| dcammue | Good morning jelkner | 09:55 |
| dcammue | Yeah i email | 09:55 |
| dcammue | And i wanted you to check | 09:56 |
| jelkner | i'm seeing the email now | 09:58 |
| jelkner | let's wait the two weeks | 09:58 |
| jelkner | we need to test the new system | 09:59 |
| jelkner | to make sure it works | 09:59 |
| jelkner | and we need to do that ASA | 09:59 |
| jelkner | ASA | 09:59 |
| jelkner | ASAP | 09:59 |
| jelkner | lol | 09:59 |
| jelkner | my keyboard was sticking on the P | 09:59 |
| dcammue | Wow, that will cause a loss of connection, we used the money in the bank to run after these processes and we need internet by 23td | 10:00 |
| dcammue | Of this month | 10:00 |
| dcammue | So two weeks will carry us to november first week i guess | 10:01 |
| jelkner | dcammue: what about getting a loan from the credit union? | 10:01 |
| thomasboimah | Good morning | 10:02 |
| dcammue | If that is what you want, we can do it | 10:02 |
| jelkner | that's the wrong way to think about this, my friend | 10:02 |
| jelkner | it's not "what i want" | 10:02 |
| jelkner | we need to learn to plan | 10:03 |
| jelkner | YOU need to learn to plan | 10:03 |
| jelkner | what does JWD need to be successful? | 10:03 |
| jelkner | that's the big question right now | 10:03 |
| dcammue | Good business plan | 10:03 |
| dcammue | And implementation | 10:04 |
| jelkner | since like zOnny said, with Santa Clause dead (or at least dying), you need to put systems in place that can continue to work | 10:04 |
| jelkner | you are doing a lot of what you need to do | 10:04 |
| jelkner | already | 10:04 |
| jelkner | that's the good news | 10:04 |
| jelkner | JWD needs to build effective relationship in Liberia to build its power | 10:05 |
| jelkner | it would be great for you if you can get a loan | 10:05 |
| jelkner | since it will establish your credit | 10:05 |
| jelkner | you need to learn to manage your money | 10:05 |
| dcammue | Okay, i will discuss with my team about the loan | 10:05 |
| jelkner | do you know people at the credit union yet? | 10:06 |
| dcammue | Yes, we do | 10:06 |
| jelkner | give me a name of the person you know best please | 10:06 |
| jelkner | so that i can use their name in our chat | 10:06 |
| jelkner | who do you know? | 10:06 |
| jelkner | whom do you know? if i want to use good grammar ;-) | 10:07 |
| jelkner | good morning smohamud | 10:18 |
| dcammue | Hello smohamud | 10:18 |
| jelkner | i'm glad you're here | 10:18 |
| jelkner | we're having a big discussion at the moment and we can use your input | 10:18 |
| jelkner | hmmm, no word from smohamud | 10:20 |
| dcammue | He might be not attentive | 10:20 |
| jelkner | np | 10:23 |
| jelkner | i'm planning my trip to dc | 10:23 |
| dcammue | Okat | 10:23 |
| dcammue | *okay | 10:23 |
| dcammue | See you soon, | 10:23 |
| dcammue | Have a nice day and a safe trip | 10:24 |
| dcammue | ACTION goes do his lundry | 10:25 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah: i'm not leaving to dc yet | 10:31 |
| jelkner | i need to be there at 14:00 UTC | 10:32 |
| jelkner | the bank opens at 13:00 UTC | 10:32 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 10:36 |
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| thomasboimah | ACTION sign off to look into to the ticket dcammue file for bt | 10:48 |
| jelkner | anybody here? | 10:52 |
| smohamud | Hi | 10:59 |
| smohamud | Anyone here? | 11:00 |
| jelkner | I am | 11:00 |
| jelkner | glad you are too | 11:00 |
| smohamud | cool | 11:00 |
| jelkner | We need to talk! | 11:00 |
| jelkner | where is everyone? | 11:00 |
| smohamud | CJS meeting is at 5pm and I need the next few hours to prepare. I can chat briefly but otherwise, I can call you after the meeting. | 11:00 |
| smohamud | *It's in 3 hours. | 11:01 |
| jelkner | alright | 11:01 |
| jelkner | let me leave | 11:01 |
| jelkner | and rejoin tomorrow morning | 11:01 |
| jelkner | we are blocking on several things, comrade smohamud | 11:01 |
| jelkner | and we need to be effective at unblocking | 11:02 |
| jelkner | cash flows being among the main ones | 11:02 |
| smohamud | Please feel free to text me now and I will get back after CJS. | 11:02 |
| smohamud | I understand. | 11:02 |
| jelkner | let's talk tomorrow | 11:02 |
| smohamud | Sounds good. | 11:02 |
| jelkner | btw, i'm heading to this today: https://www.dccommunitywealth.com/ | 11:03 |
| jelkner | I'll see Johanna and Caroline | 11:03 |
| jelkner | and update you tomorrow on how it goes | 11:03 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off until tomorrow | 11:03 |
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| anthony_p | Showed up for the meeting at 12:00 PM, meeting facilitator didn't show by 12:10 PM. signing off | 16:10 |
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| zOnny | Showed up for the meeting at 12:00PM | 16:11 |
| zOnny | ACTION signing off for the day | 16:12 |
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| jelkner | dcammue, when are we meeting? | 19:53 |
| jelkner | i'm doing my laundry | 19:53 |
| jelkner | so i'll be stepping away from the computer | 19:53 |
| dcammue | We will meet by 5pm your time | 20:11 |
| jelkner | in 40 minutes, yes? | 20:20 |
| jelkner | i'm going to fold my laundry. i'll be back in less than 40 minutes | 20:22 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for a bit | 20:22 |
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| dcammue | Okay | 20:44 |
| dcammue | Good evening, everyone. Nice meeting you all here | 21:00 |
| svaye | Hi jelkner dcammue thomasboimah | 21:00 |
| thomasboimah | Greetings comrade | 21:00 |
| jelkner | Good evening | 21:00 |
| jelkner | dcammue, whose chairing? | 21:02 |
| dcammue | I called this meeting because i want us to discuss the Credit Union trust and how we will get the transfer done | 21:02 |
| jelkner | you called the meeting, yes? | 21:02 |
| dcammue | So jelkner and i talk today, and i explain to him the reason why we do not want to trust the Credit Union with such amount | 21:03 |
| jelkner | you didn't really explain fully | 21:03 |
| jelkner | you just said, if I interpreted correctly | 21:04 |
| dcammue | And he said, yez, he agreed, but we need to build trust | 21:04 |
| jelkner | "there is a lot of corruption in Liberia" | 21:04 |
| dcammue | Yez, | 21:04 |
| jelkner | to which I replied, "In my country, the president is a criminal who robs billions of dollars from the people!" | 21:05 |
| jelkner | so corruption is not limited to Libera :-( | 21:05 |
| jelkner | so my question is, what could go wrong if JWD billed SJC for $1K, for example, and we transferred it to your account at the credit union? | 21:06 |
| dcammue | So now, jeff is saying we should give the Credit union a try | 21:06 |
| svaye | jelkner, It isn't really about corruption, but what the credit union stands for, they credit money all the time that means we can have our money credited to other people and not get it at the exact time we might need | 21:07 |
| svaye | it | 21:07 |
| thomasboimah | will that not be double cost sending 1k and then send another one after that? | 21:07 |
| jelkner | ahh, svaye, so that is a question | 21:07 |
| jelkner | what are the rules when you have money at the credit union in terms of access? | 21:08 |
| jelkner | that is definitely something you need to understand | 21:08 |
| jelkner | and i don't, so please enlighten me | 21:08 |
| freena_ | Hi everyone | 21:09 |
| thomasboimah | Why can't we use UBA for the last time, this will be the last time using UBA until Jetro EC0 bank account can start operating fully? | 21:09 |
| thomasboimah | in two weeks | 21:10 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, why can't we use the credit union? | 21:10 |
| jelkner | i still don't understand | 21:10 |
| thomasboimah | For what svaye just said | 21:10 |
| jelkner | i keep my money in a credit union here | 21:10 |
| jelkner | it lends money to people all the time | 21:10 |
| jelkner | but that doesn't mean i can't withdrawal my balance when i need to | 21:11 |
| jelkner | so i don't understand what svaye is saying | 21:11 |
| svaye | The credit Union doesn't allow you withdraw money like we do at the bank, that's why they emphasize on saving your money and making profit at the end of the year jelkner | 21:11 |
| jelkner | ahh | 21:11 |
| jelkner | i see | 21:11 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, i'm a bit frustrated, i have to admit | 21:12 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, the purpose of Jetro opening a bank account with eco bank, is that when the money get into jetro account >> Jetro can decide how much to save with the credit union and how to keep for operation | 21:12 |
| jelkner | we talked about you openning an account at the ECO bank in July | 21:12 |
| jelkner | it's now October | 21:12 |
| svaye | Which is why we need an account with EcoBank(their partner) to manage things smoothly | 21:12 |
| jelkner | and it still hasn't happened | 21:12 |
| jelkner | yes, that's what you explained to me | 21:12 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, cooperate account take time here to open | 21:12 |
| jelkner | ok, i hear you | 21:13 |
| jelkner | ok, let's talk about what we're going to do then | 21:13 |
| jelkner | i need a contract with JWD for the work you are going to deliver for any money you want me to send | 21:13 |
| thomasboimah | the baan needs to verify all legal document before do so | 21:13 |
| thomasboimah | *bank | 21:13 |
| thomasboimah | *doing | 21:13 |
| jelkner | got you | 21:14 |
| jelkner | and you are running out of funds, so you need more money | 21:14 |
| jelkner | i hear you, but i'm concerned | 21:14 |
| jelkner | i committed to sending $1K per month | 21:14 |
| jelkner | i've always honored that | 21:14 |
| jelkner | i deposited $5K in July | 21:14 |
| jelkner | that should have met my obligation until december | 21:15 |
| jelkner | but how it is only mid october | 21:15 |
| jelkner | and you're saying your short | 21:15 |
| jelkner | this isn't sustainable | 21:15 |
| jelkner | my cup is running dry | 21:15 |
| jelkner | i'm going to have to borrow to send any more money | 21:15 |
| jelkner | then i have debt, and need to pay interest | 21:16 |
| jelkner | it's going to be a bit stressful for me | 21:16 |
| jelkner | so i want to move ASAP to our new process | 21:16 |
| jelkner | if you want more earnings now, what can you deliver | 21:16 |
| jelkner | i have an idea | 21:16 |
| jelkner | if you saw my email about next steps for SJC | 21:17 |
| dcammue | The reason why we get short is that we give a stipend to Jetro members | 21:17 |
| jelkner | i get that, dcammue | 21:17 |
| jelkner | but we absolutely need to generate revenue | 21:17 |
| dcammue | Yes ASAP | 21:17 |
| jelkner | so let's see what we can do now | 21:17 |
| jelkner | like i said, i sent an email after Janet's email talking about next steps for SJC | 21:18 |
| jelkner | we are really launching that organization now | 21:18 |
| jelkner | and the website needs *a lot* of work! | 21:18 |
| jelkner | if SJC can get a contract with JWD to do that work | 21:18 |
| jelkner | then we have the win-win cooperation we want | 21:19 |
| jelkner | JWD can earn the revenue it needs, and SJC can get the website it needs | 21:19 |
| jelkner | we need to talk to Sahnun about this tomorrow | 21:19 |
| jelkner | this is where the planning become very crucial | 21:19 |
| jelkner | and we are going to have to be ready for some tough conversations | 21:20 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, if Sahnun wants your time | 21:20 |
| jelkner | and SJC wants your time | 21:20 |
| jelkner | you only have so much time | 21:20 |
| jelkner | so we need to figure this out | 21:20 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, thing are moving forward working with Sahnun on the CJS project | 21:20 |
| jelkner | excellent! | 21:20 |
| dcammue | I am already advancing the SJC book in gnucash so that we can start to track SJC financial record | 21:21 |
| jelkner | you met with them today, yes? | 21:21 |
| jelkner | super dcammue | 21:21 |
| jelkner | so who at JWD can help us with the SJC website? | 21:21 |
| jelkner | i can tell you some of the things i want: | 21:21 |
| dcammue | Freena did work on it last week | 21:22 |
| jelkner | 1. I want a separate page for each project circle | 21:22 |
| dcammue | But i do not know if there is more work | 21:22 |
| jelkner | with a description of the circle, the goals of the project, etc. | 21:22 |
| jelkner | 2. I want help with managing the communications and email lists | 21:22 |
| jelkner | so i'm really looking for someone to work with Janet on that | 21:23 |
| jelkner | let's talk more tomorrow | 21:23 |
| freena_ | I can jelkner | 21:23 |
| jelkner | so, dcammue, thomasboimah, freena_, let's write up a description of what work JWD will do, and how much it will cost | 21:24 |
| freena_ | Ok | 21:24 |
| thomasboimah | okay | 21:25 |
| jelkner | i know i said i wanted to minimize transaction costs | 21:26 |
| jelkner | hold on friends, i just got a phone call | 21:26 |
| jelkner | i'm back | 21:31 |
| dcammue | Okay | 21:31 |
| jelkner | anyway, i think if we make a contract for $1K | 21:31 |
| jelkner | you could invoice SJC | 21:31 |
| jelkner | and i could do a transfer for your old bank | 21:32 |
| jelkner | dcammue, thomasboimah, svaye | 21:32 |
| dcammue | +1 | 21:32 |
| svaye | +1 | 21:32 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 21:32 |
| jelkner | you *really* need to start keeping good books now | 21:32 |
| jelkner | and i would like to set up a line of credit as soon as you have your Eco Bank account | 21:32 |
| jelkner | you also need to start doing financial planning | 21:33 |
| jelkner | which means setting some small amount each month to put in your Credit Union account | 21:33 |
| jelkner | so that a year from now, you have some savings | 21:33 |
| dcammue | +1 | 21:33 |
| jelkner | and over time, you'll develop credit so you can borrow from them | 21:33 |
| jelkner | ok, svaye and thomasboimah | 21:34 |
| svaye | yes jelkner | 21:34 |
| jelkner | why don't you look at the email i sent in response to Janet's email | 21:34 |
| jelkner | and make a pitch | 21:34 |
| jelkner | start doing some sales! | 21:34 |
| jelkner | come to us at SJC, and say, "I hear you have tech needs to get your non-profit going." | 21:35 |
| jelkner | "Well, we're just what you are looking for!" ;-) | 21:35 |
| jelkner | tell us what you'll do for us | 21:35 |
| jelkner | and how much you'll charge us | 21:35 |
| jelkner | let's talk about that tomorrow | 21:35 |
| jelkner | dcammue, i was able to unblock the NWD bank account | 21:36 |
| svaye | Sorry jelkner, you mentioned in your email that you were gonna contact JWD so I was waiting for that | 21:36 |
| dcammue | Okay | 21:36 |
| jelkner | i'm contacting you here and now, aren't I svaye? | 21:36 |
| jelkner | dcammue, thomasboimah svaye we need to figure out how to get this setup working | 21:37 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, i'm thinking that you will have to do business as me | 21:37 |
| jelkner | it will be some work, but if i turn over my jeff.elkner@gmail.com to you | 21:37 |
| jelkner | you could use my Google Voice phone number to have a phone number in the U.S. | 21:38 |
| jelkner | we should see if we can make that work | 21:38 |
| svaye | yes you are jelkner, so now I can send a well structured email on what we can do and how much we would do it for | 21:38 |
| jelkner | so together with the VPN, you'll have the access you need to do what you need to do | 21:38 |
| jelkner | great svaye | 21:39 |
| jelkner | ok, anything else? | 21:39 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 21:39 |
| jelkner | what, thomasboimah? | 21:39 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, ECL want to start moving thing forward, and I really need you help with that donation | 21:40 |
| thomasboimah | *we | 21:40 |
| thomasboimah | *your | 21:40 |
| jelkner | not until you get an ECO Bank account, thomasboimah | 21:40 |
| jelkner | so you need to do that | 21:40 |
| jelkner | how does ECL plan to bank? | 21:42 |
| jelkner | you can't receive funds until you figure that out | 21:42 |
| thomasboimah | with ECO bank | 21:42 |
| jelkner | so when will the account be ready? | 21:42 |
| jelkner | dcammue, svaye we are really going to have a problem that will need careful attention | 21:43 |
| thomasboimah | And will really need the donation to get a membership with the credit union and the iniatial deposit at the bank | 21:43 |
| jelkner | it seems we need to do something like this: | 21:43 |
| jelkner | 1. ECL borrows the money from JWD to open their account | 21:44 |
| jelkner | 2. ECL sets up a way to receive donations from the U.S. | 21:44 |
| jelkner | We start getting some donations (including my promised one) | 21:44 |
| jelkner | 3. ECL pays JWD back | 21:44 |
| jelkner | otherwise, this is going to be a financial mess | 21:45 |
| jelkner | does that make sense? | 21:45 |
| dcammue | So, the ECL will credit from the 1k or the last transfer after the two weeks? | 21:45 |
| jelkner | hmmm, i think ECL needs to be patient | 21:46 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah is telling me things take time in Liberia | 21:46 |
| jelkner | i thought you need the 1K now for your own expenses | 21:46 |
| dcammue | +1 | 21:46 |
| jelkner | let's stick with that for now | 21:47 |
| jelkner | one thing at a time | 21:47 |
| freena_ | Ok | 21:47 |
| jelkner | so, dcammue, work with svaye and thomasboimah to make that pitch to SJC | 21:47 |
| jelkner | about how you will provide the services we need | 21:47 |
| jelkner | let's talk tomorrow | 21:47 |
| dcammue | Okay | 21:48 |
| freena_ | Ok | 21:48 |
| jelkner | great | 21:48 |
| jelkner | get some rest, dear comrades | 21:48 |
| jelkner | it's late | 21:48 |
| jelkner | we'll work on this tomorrow | 21:48 |
| freena_ | See you tomorrow jelkner | 21:48 |
| jelkner | see you tomorrow freena_ | 21:48 |
| dcammue | Have a good night! | 21:48 |
| jelkner | you too! | 21:48 |
| thomasboimah | Good night | 21:48 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off until tomorrow | 21:49 |
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| thomasboimah | ACTION sign off | 21:49 |
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