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| jelkner | hello thomasboimah | 18:58 |
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| thomasboimah | Hello jelkner | 18:59 |
| jelkner | were is everyone? | 18:59 |
| thomasboimah | Check in #jetrowebdev | 18:59 |
| jelkner | we agreed to meet here | 19:00 |
| jelkner | i'll just wait | 19:00 |
| jelkner | here we go | 19:00 |
| jelkner | hello svaye and dcammue | 19:00 |
| svaye | Hi jelkner dcammue thomasboimah | 19:00 |
| dcammue | hello jelkner | 19:00 |
| jelkner | who else is coming, anyone? | 19:00 |
| dcammue | hello svaye | 19:00 |
| jelkner | madam president! | 19:01 |
| janet_ | Yes! | 19:01 |
| jelkner | i was hoping you would join us ;-) | 19:01 |
| jelkner | is this it? | 19:01 |
| jelkner | if it is, let's start | 19:01 |
| dcammue | sure | 19:02 |
| janet_ | it is ;-) | 19:02 |
| jelkner | ok, so we are here to discuss SJC hiring JWD for several things: | 19:02 |
| jelkner | 1. Website update and maintenance | 19:02 |
| dcammue | +1 | 19:02 |
| jelkner | 2. Marketing and outreach management | 19:03 |
| jelkner | 3. Financial management | 19:03 |
| jelkner | i think those are the main things | 19:03 |
| jelkner | Is JWD ready to take on this project? | 19:03 |
| dcammue | +1 | 19:03 |
| jelkner | ok, we need to talk about billing, and i have a proposal for that | 19:04 |
| janet_ | +1 | 19:04 |
| jelkner | janet_, over time, we will need to get SJC general circle to approve these kinds of things | 19:04 |
| jelkner | but for now, since jelkner is still the only funder, i'm sure i can represent us on this | 19:05 |
| jelkner | SJC would like to be billed at a rate of $15 per hour | 19:05 |
| jelkner | and to use an agile approach to the project | 19:05 |
| jelkner | that means every two weeks we have a customer meeting | 19:05 |
| jelkner | and JWD shows SJC what it has done, and how many hours it took | 19:06 |
| jelkner | so we know what we were billed | 19:06 |
| dcammue | sure | 19:06 |
| jelkner | and then SJC will select "User Stories" together with rough estimates from JWD on how much time they will take, for the next iteration | 19:06 |
| jelkner | i'm expecting JWD will do good work, and bill fairly | 19:07 |
| jelkner | i wasn't too happy to get an estimate of $120 hours (that's 8 hours of work) | 19:07 |
| jelkner | for an email configuration that took me 30 minutes to do on my own | 19:08 |
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| jelkner | remember, if you want your customer to be happy, you need to provide skilled service | 19:08 |
| jelkner | and not over charge | 19:08 |
| jelkner | right? | 19:08 |
| svaye | +1 | 19:08 |
| dcammue | +1 | 19:09 |
| jelkner | so, svaye, dcammue and svaye, there is paid work here for all of you | 19:09 |
| jelkner | we are paying well, because we are hiring JWD to show leadership and initiative | 19:09 |
| jelkner | to take on our project as its own | 19:09 |
| jelkner | ok, are we agree on this approach? | 19:10 |
| dcammue | +1 | 19:10 |
| jelkner | so let's begin with the first user stories | 19:10 |
| jelkner | look at the SJC website now | 19:10 |
| jelkner | what do you see that needs work? | 19:10 |
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| dcammue | 1. there is no enough story told about SJC | 19:13 |
| dcammue | 2. the team page is not telling much about the members | 19:14 |
| jelkner | and the members are wrong | 19:15 |
| dcammue | +1 | 19:15 |
| svaye | The marketing for the labtops are good but we need a better story to get support for the Teach In | 19:16 |
| jelkner | The homepage says "Laptops for Liberia", but we aren't sending laptops to Liberia, so that is very wrong too | 19:16 |
| dcammue | and, the circle group page need to be added | 19:16 |
| jelkner | dcammue is doing a good job, why is he the only one? | 19:17 |
| jelkner | svaye, jkollie_ | 19:17 |
| jelkner | you need to be able to take initiative if you want to get paid to work on this project | 19:17 |
| jkollie_ | He's not jelkner | 19:17 |
| jelkner | oh, are you telling him what to type? | 19:18 |
| svaye | we need to market for the Teach In | 19:18 |
| jelkner | yes we do! | 19:18 |
| jelkner | two teach-ins | 19:18 |
| jelkner | one in Liberia, and one in Northern Virginia | 19:18 |
| svaye | The content page that devesh and I are going to work on | 19:18 |
| jelkner | SJC is organizing Teach-Ins in both places | 19:19 |
| jelkner | +1 svaye | 19:19 |
| jelkner | ok, that may be enough for our 1st iteration | 19:19 |
| jelkner | we should schedule our next meeting, and then talk about what i will expect to see at that meeting | 19:20 |
| jelkner | does that make sense? | 19:20 |
| dcammue | +1 | 19:20 |
| dcammue | jelkner, and jkollie_ one question | 19:20 |
| jkollie_ | +1 | 19:20 |
| jelkner | go for it dcammue | 19:20 |
| dcammue | can i get the name of the SJC circles | 19:20 |
| dcammue | ? | 19:20 |
| jelkner | you need to talk to the SJC president about that | 19:21 |
| jkollie_ | Yes | 19:21 |
| jelkner | it is an organizing task | 19:21 |
| jelkner | the circles are only forming now | 19:21 |
| dcammue | That's why i included her in the question | 19:21 |
| jelkner | they won't be "real" until we conjure them into existence ;-) | 19:22 |
| svaye | jelkner, devesh said he asked you if the content should be in a article format for the page, but he didn't get a respond from you | 19:22 |
| jelkner | dcammue, part of your task will be reaching out to people to ask them for information | 19:22 |
| jelkner | you'll be doing that a lot | 19:22 |
| jelkner | cjones and i represent the Digital Equity circle | 19:22 |
| jelkner | and we have our Linux Laptops for Learning project as our main work right now | 19:23 |
| jelkner | someone needs to reach out to smohamud and Stephan Hubbard about their circle | 19:23 |
| dcammue | so we are not going to work on the circle page until the circles get into existence? | 19:23 |
| jelkner | in face, work for Dr. Hubbard on his project is billable to SJC | 19:23 |
| jelkner | baby steps, dcammue | 19:24 |
| jelkner | get started, make small improvements, and iterate | 19:24 |
| dcammue | and get to thomasboimah for their circle too | 19:24 |
| jelkner | +1! | 19:24 |
| jelkner | nice | 19:24 |
| dcammue | okay | 19:24 |
| jelkner | since they weren't at our last general board meeting | 19:25 |
| dcammue | so that will be three circles for now | 19:25 |
| jelkner | i forgot about them | 19:25 |
| jelkner | they need to form | 19:25 |
| jelkner | so, can we meet at this same time and place in two weeks? | 19:26 |
| jelkner | this is a good time | 19:26 |
| jelkner | since it is right when my school day ends | 19:26 |
| jelkner | so i can just stay at school and meet | 19:26 |
| jelkner | that will be the day before our president's birthday ;-) | 19:27 |
| jelkner | SJC's president i mean | 19:27 |
| jelkner | does that work? | 19:27 |
| jkollie_ | ;-) | 19:27 |
| svaye | +1 | 19:27 |
| jkollie_ | +1 | 19:27 |
| dcammue | so jelkner, you have been moving along with SJC for more than decade now, i guess you know much of SJC story | 19:27 |
| dcammue | +1 works | 19:28 |
| jelkner | actually, dcammue, SJC is newer than that | 19:28 |
| jelkner | we only officially formed in 2022 | 19:28 |
| jelkner | we only officially formed in 2023 | 19:28 |
| jelkner | i forget | 19:28 |
| jelkner | we can look on the Virginia SCC website | 19:28 |
| jelkner | we started informally before that | 19:29 |
| jelkner | then Ved came to me and said he wanted to start a non-profit | 19:29 |
| jelkner | like Sahnun did when he was in high school | 19:29 |
| jelkner | part of his business study | 19:29 |
| jelkner | i told him, "Well, Ved, it just so happens I want a non-profit" | 19:29 |
| jelkner | and he did the work to setup SJC | 19:29 |
| jelkner | but it hasn't really gotten off the ground until now | 19:30 |
| jelkner | once we partnered with you and Janet became our president, and we started doing real work | 19:31 |
| jelkner | in the beginning it was just Stephan, Ved, Vrishin, and Jeff | 19:31 |
| jelkner | but we didn't have any projects | 19:31 |
| jelkner | other than doing education work in Liberia | 19:31 |
| jelkner | Janet, it has now been three months | 19:32 |
| jelkner | how are things going with James? | 19:32 |
| jelkner | We have an important meeting coming up next Friday | 19:33 |
| jelkner | are you all going to be ready for that? | 19:33 |
| dcammue | +1 | 19:33 |
| svaye | +1 | 19:33 |
| jelkner | so my arrangement with James is $100 per month | 19:33 |
| jelkner | he will be due another payment next month | 19:34 |
| jelkner | svaye, we need all of this to be accounted for | 19:34 |
| jelkner | so we want to hire you to do SJC's books | 19:34 |
| jelkner | we need that ASAP | 19:34 |
| jelkner | since we will be getting $25K in November | 19:34 |
| jelkner | and we need to start accounting for it | 19:35 |
| svaye | +1 | 19:35 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, we need to get dcammue and svaye access to the bank account here | 19:35 |
| jelkner | that's another task | 19:35 |
| jelkner | it's a big task | 19:35 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, can we do a and 2min video about at | 19:35 |
| thomasboimah | *that | 19:35 |
| thomasboimah | *quick | 19:36 |
| jelkner | since i think in the long run it will be by having you use my gmail account together with a VPN | 19:36 |
| dcammue | jkollie_, jelkner ask how thing moving with James Cooper, but you did not answer | 19:36 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, we agreed we will do that as soon as you get your Starlink back | 19:36 |
| thomasboimah | so I share my screen with you to see the error we keep getting | 19:36 |
| thomasboimah | Okay gotcha you | 19:36 |
| jelkner | don't try that again thomasboimah | 19:36 |
| jelkner | i don't want to get locked out again | 19:36 |
| jelkner | please just get Starlink as soon as you can | 19:37 |
| thomasboimah | Yeah | 19:37 |
| jelkner | jkollie_, James is very busy with his day job | 19:37 |
| jelkner | i am only expecting him to talk with you a few times a month | 19:37 |
| jelkner | and to help with meetings like the one on 10/30 | 19:38 |
| jelkner | so please check-in with him | 19:38 |
| jelkner | he should be at that meeting on 10/30 | 19:38 |
| jelkner | if he can | 19:38 |
| jelkner | jkollie_, are you getting this? | 19:39 |
| jelkner | hmmm... | 19:39 |
| jelkner | we must have lost jkollie_ | 19:39 |
| jkollie_ | Yes am here now | 19:39 |
| jelkner | well, can you answer our questions? | 19:39 |
| jkollie_ | I just went to the restroom | 19:39 |
| jelkner | got you | 19:39 |
| jelkner | ok, i have a lot to do | 19:40 |
| jelkner | i attended the DNOVA Council meeting this morning | 19:40 |
| dcammue | jelkner, we are going to start the project work ASAP, next week. Are we going to get prepaid or paid after work done? | 19:40 |
| jkollie_ | I'll have him a call | 19:40 |
| jelkner | please, jkollie_ | 19:41 |
| jkollie_ | He told me that he could be part whenever we invite him | 19:41 |
| jelkner | ok, i'll make a transfer of $1500 to your old bank account | 19:41 |
| jelkner | well let him know about 10/30! | 19:41 |
| jkollie_ | Sure | 19:42 |
| jelkner | and you need to make arrangements to pay him for october and november | 19:42 |
| jelkner | i'll $200 more into the transfer for that | 19:42 |
| jelkner | this is the last one going to the old bank account | 19:42 |
| jelkner | so don't delay on getting the new one setup | 19:42 |
| dcammue | so, jelkner if we say we wait for the new bank account to get ready so you do the transfer as once, will it be okay? | 19:42 |
| jelkner | you also need to start saving some small amount with the credit union | 19:43 |
| jelkner | dcammue, can you? | 19:43 |
| jkollie_ | Alright jelkner , we can talk about that when he show up for the teach-in | 19:43 |
| dcammue | yes, because the two week will end on this Thursday | 19:44 |
| jelkner | oh, got you | 19:44 |
| dcammue | so hopefully, friday, we will get it | 19:44 |
| jelkner | but it will still be too rushed | 19:44 |
| jelkner | let's make one last one early this week | 19:44 |
| jelkner | so you have the funds you need to carry you over | 19:45 |
| dcammue | the transfer can take place the first week in next month | 19:45 |
| jelkner | dcammue, here's the deal | 19:45 |
| jelkner | i'll be sending $1700 now | 19:45 |
| jelkner | that's $1K as an advanced payment for the SJC work you are going to do | 19:45 |
| jelkner | $500 from Dr. Hubbard for his website | 19:46 |
| jelkner | and $200 for James | 19:46 |
| jelkner | you'll need to meet with Dr. Hubbard, thomasboimah | 19:46 |
| jelkner | he told me he has seen no new changes for his $500 | 19:46 |
| jelkner | that's not good | 19:46 |
| jelkner | it's no way to keep customers happy | 19:46 |
| thomasboimah | I and Dr. Hubbard talk | 19:47 |
| jelkner | and? | 19:47 |
| thomasboimah | In this project chatroom | 19:47 |
| jelkner | which day | 19:47 |
| jelkner | i'll read the log | 19:47 |
| jelkner | in fact | 19:47 |
| jelkner | can you link to it here now? | 19:47 |
| thomasboimah | and I sent him the list of feature added and he said he was going to test it | 19:47 |
| jelkner | that is music to my soul! ;-) | 19:47 |
| thomasboimah | It is in the project whatsapp chatroom he open | 19:48 |
| jelkner | ahh | 19:48 |
| jelkner | i don't do whatsapp | 19:48 |
| jelkner | remember, dear comrades, Big Tech is EVIL! | 19:48 |
| dcammue | thomasboimah, has he give you access to the server now? | 19:48 |
| jelkner | i don't know if the news makes it over there | 19:48 |
| thomasboimah | Got that, But sometime we will have to go out of our way to do what the customer want | 19:48 |
| jelkner | but Instagram closed Lula's account at a crucial point in the first round of the presidential election in Brazil | 19:49 |
| jelkner | if we depend on those who want to suck our blood, we will all be miserable! | 19:49 |
| jelkner | we need tech we can control | 19:50 |
| jelkner | of the evil tech billionaires will decide who wins and who looses | 19:50 |
| jelkner | and guess what, it will be they that wins :-( | 19:50 |
| jelkner | anyway, i'm glad you talked to Dr. Hubbard, thomasboimah | 19:50 |
| jelkner | i'll take your word for it that he is satisfied | 19:51 |
| jelkner | when i call him, i hope that's what he tells me | 19:51 |
| thomasboimah | sure, hopefully me too | 19:51 |
| jelkner | LOL | 19:51 |
| jelkner | it's all about communication | 19:51 |
| dcammue | has you changes been merged thomasboimah ? | 19:52 |
| jelkner | you can ask him, "So, Dr. Hubbard", are you satisfied? | 19:52 |
| thomasboimah | +1 dcammue | 19:52 |
| dcammue | okay | 19:52 |
| jelkner | ok, anything else for me before i go? | 19:52 |
| svaye | jelkner, | 19:52 |
| jelkner | svaye, | 19:52 |
| dcammue | then I am sure he will see those features | 19:52 |
| svaye | Do you want the content writing to be in an article format> | 19:53 |
| jelkner | svaye, you are working with devesh on this, yes? | 19:53 |
| dcammue | jelkner, i will email you asking for you circle information and how you want the content of the circle page to look like | 19:53 |
| svaye | Yes jelkner | 19:54 |
| jelkner | apologies for not being the best customer, but i, like a lot of customers, don't really know what i want :-( | 19:54 |
| jelkner | i'm not skilled in this area | 19:54 |
| jelkner | but i think i'll recognize good when i see it | 19:54 |
| dcammue | okay | 19:54 |
| dcammue | thanks | 19:54 |
| jelkner | so svaye, you and devesh should use your best judgment | 19:55 |
| svaye | Alright jelkner we will do the article format first and if you don | 19:55 |
| jelkner | and then we will ask for broader feedback from our community | 19:55 |
| jelkner | one other suggestion, svaye | 19:55 |
| jelkner | do some investigation | 19:55 |
| svaye | don't like it we will use another format | 19:56 |
| jelkner | find some other sites similar to ours (broad solidarity economy focus) | 19:56 |
| jelkner | justice tech focus | 19:56 |
| jelkner | and see what they do | 19:56 |
| jelkner | look for thins you like and things you think you can improve | 19:56 |
| svaye | Are we also writing on the circles? | 19:56 |
| jelkner | yes, svaye | 19:56 |
| jelkner | the whole site is yours! | 19:57 |
| svaye | Ok jelkner | 19:57 |
| jelkner | make us all love it, that's your mission! | 19:57 |
| svaye | copy that | 19:57 |
| jelkner | anything else? | 19:57 |
| dcammue | =1 | 19:58 |
| dcammue | -1 | 19:58 |
| jelkner | this productive | 19:58 |
| jelkner | see you in two weeks for our next customer meeting | 19:58 |
| jelkner | i'll expect you to start the meeting by showing me what you did in the last two weeks | 19:59 |
| jelkner | and telling me how many hours it took and how much SJC will be billed for it | 19:59 |
| jelkner | sound good? | 19:59 |
| svaye | +1 | 19:59 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 19:59 |
| dcammue | okay | 19:59 |
| jelkner | i'm heading away for the weekend | 19:59 |
| jelkner | but i'll get to see Tony in Pittsburg | 20:00 |
| dcammue | safe tripe | 20:00 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 20:00 |
| jelkner | oh, one last thing... | 20:00 |
| jelkner | just for your information | 20:00 |
| dcammue | +1 | 20:00 |
| jelkner | https://dccommunitywealth.com/ | 20:00 |
| jelkner | check out that website | 20:01 |
| jelkner | and check out this: | 20:01 |
| jelkner | https://dccommunitywealth.com/assets/images/events/cwb-day-2026.webp | 20:01 |
| jelkner | i attended that meeting last Saturday | 20:01 |
| jelkner | it was inspiring | 20:01 |
| jelkner | the solidarity economy is really taking roots in D.C. | 20:01 |
| jelkner | we are part of a growing movement | 20:02 |
| jelkner | and the more it grows, the better we all do | 20:02 |
| dcammue | okay | 20:02 |
| jelkner | so i'll leave you with that hopeful thought! ;-) | 20:02 |
| jkollie_ | Sure | 20:02 |
| jelkner | bye for now... | 20:03 |
| svaye | Have a wonderful rest of the evening jelkner and safe travel | 20:03 |
| jelkner | thanks svaye! | 20:03 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off | 20:03 |
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