| fkoikoi | Hi jeff | 14:45 |
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| jkoleah | Good afternoon Jeff | 14:51 |
| scooper | Hello Jeff | 15:00 |
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| jelkner | Good morning | 15:11 |
| jelkner | We had a 2 hour delay because of weather | 15:11 |
| jelkner | so our schedule today is shifted by two hours | 15:11 |
| jelkner | instead of 2:30 to 3 pm your time | 15:12 |
| jelkner | tmickelson and thehedgeh0g will be here from 4:05 to 5:35 pm your time. | 15:12 |
| jelkner | If that is too late for you to be here, we can wait until the New Year. | 15:13 |
| jelkner | let me know | 15:13 |
| jelkner | jkoleah, did you talk to the Supe? | 15:13 |
| jelkner | i have prepared another laptop for you | 15:14 |
| jelkner | i am going to ask him to bring it back with him | 15:14 |
| jelkner | but we still need a solution between now and then | 15:14 |
| jkoleah | I didn't see him yesterday Jeff | 15:14 |
| jkoleah | I'm at the office now but he's not here | 15:15 |
| jelkner | jkoleah, and he didn't respond to my email | 15:18 |
| jelkner | jkoleah, i've now done all i can do on my end | 15:18 |
| jelkner | y'all have to follow up on your end | 15:19 |
| jelkner | scooper, you saw the email | 15:19 |
| jelkner | you need to talk with him | 15:19 |
| scooper | yes | 15:19 |
| jelkner | we need jkoleah to have a loaner laptop until the Supe gets here, and i can give him one to bring back | 15:19 |
| jelkner | i set it up yesterday | 15:20 |
| jelkner | so its ready to go | 15:20 |
| jelkner | just need to ship it | 15:20 |
| scooper | I did see email but I 'm lost here | 15:20 |
| scooper | I'm lost here Jeff what are we talking about now | 15:20 |
| jelkner | scooper, hold on... | 15:22 |
| jelkner | jkoleah, you saw the email, yes? | 15:22 |
| jkoleah | which mail jeff ? | 15:23 |
| jelkner | Look in your personal email, jkoleah | 15:25 |
| jelkner | it is titled "Requesting approval to issue Jallah a laptop." | 15:25 |
| jelkner | It was addressed to the Superintendent. | 15:25 |
| jelkner | jkoleah, and scooper were cc'd | 15:25 |
| jkoleah | okay, I saw it Jeff | 15:25 |
| jelkner | jkoleah, show scooper | 15:26 |
| jkoleah | the mail ? | 15:26 |
| jelkner | scooper, the only time i have today would be 8 pm your time | 15:26 |
| jelkner | that's late, i know | 15:26 |
| jelkner | we need dhernandez in on that conversation too | 15:27 |
| scooper | I'm presently in my novawebdev email account apart from the mail you send to Aaron and I, there is not other mail from your relating to Jallah and I jeff | 15:27 |
| jelkner | i used your personal email, scooper | 15:27 |
| jelkner | since it is not NOVA Web related | 15:28 |
| scooper | ok | 15:28 |
| scooper | So can meet by that time and discuss JEff | 15:28 |
| jelkner | i try to use business email for business | 15:28 |
| jelkner | and personal email for personal things | 15:28 |
| scooper | So can we meet by that time and discuss Jeff?? | 15:28 |
| jelkner | if you are available at 8 pm your time | 15:28 |
| jelkner | we can | 15:28 |
| jelkner | let's meet here | 15:28 |
| scooper | Yes I have to because it's crucial and important to me | 15:29 |
| jelkner | i'm going to ask dhernandez if she can port the website out of LibreOrganize | 15:29 |
| jelkner | we'll need to pay her something for her time | 15:29 |
| scooper | I done understand | 15:29 |
| jelkner | i'll talk to her about that | 15:29 |
| jelkner | what don't you understand? | 15:29 |
| scooper | the last text you send consider asking dhernandez | 15:30 |
| jelkner | yes | 15:30 |
| jelkner | that's the plan | 15:30 |
| jelkner | what don't you understand? | 15:30 |
| scooper | About you asking dhernandez | 15:30 |
| jelkner | now i don't understand :-( | 15:31 |
| scooper | What are you really talking about??? | 15:31 |
| jelkner | let me try to explain and see if this helps | 15:31 |
| scooper | ok | 15:31 |
| jelkner | as it is now, the MCSS website is running in a web application written in Django called LibreOrganize | 15:32 |
| scooper | OK I think you said this before | 15:32 |
| jelkner | web pages are generated dynamically, and the process is complicated | 15:32 |
| scooper | We are moving to a static website right??? | 15:32 |
| jelkner | for the next few years, you, jkoleah, fkoikoi_ won't have the skills to manage that | 15:33 |
| jelkner | so i want to convert it to a technology you will be able to manage on your own | 15:33 |
| jelkner | you, scooper, already know HTML and CSS | 15:33 |
| jelkner | and we are teaching jkoleah and fkoikoi_ | 15:33 |
| jelkner | and the others, but they will take much longer to be ready to contribute | 15:33 |
| jelkner | so, let's use the tech we know | 15:34 |
| scooper | I got you that is the main reason I want us talk by 8pm my time Jeff | 15:36 |
| jelkner | scooper, AntonioA is here now | 15:36 |
| jelkner | we all need to try to get to know each other | 15:36 |
| scooper | Is AntonioA Aaron?? | 15:36 |
| jelkner | NO! ;-) | 15:36 |
| scooper | I almost ask why he keep changing his name | 15:37 |
| jelkner | so, scooper, let me explain | 15:37 |
| jelkner | LoL | 15:37 |
| jelkner | Aaron is thehedgeh0g | 15:37 |
| scooper | I know | 15:38 |
| jelkner | AntonioA, is Antonio | 15:38 |
| jelkner | AntonioA and Luke are learning Django | 15:38 |
| jelkner | thehedgeh0g, is a system admin | 15:38 |
| jelkner | like tmickelson | 15:38 |
| jelkner | so, when we need help setting up servers, learning to use screen, and stuff like that | 15:39 |
| jelkner | we go to thehedgeh0g and tmickelson | 15:42 |
| jelkner | for this new task, porting a LibreOrganize website out of LibreOrganize, we primarly need a web designer | 15:42 |
| jelkner | that would be Dafni Hernandez | 15:43 |
| jelkner | but she will need help from AntonioA and Luke | 15:43 |
| scooper | Jeff I will like to make few recommendation from my end | 15:43 |
| jelkner | since she needs to learn how to make static html web pages from Django templates | 15:43 |
| jelkner | please, sd | 15:43 |
| jelkner | scooper, | 15:43 |
| jelkner | scooper, what about the laptop for Jallah? | 15:44 |
| jelkner | Today is the last day before the break, yes? | 15:44 |
| jelkner | *PLEASE* let him take one. | 15:45 |
| jelkner | Since the Supe didn't respond | 15:45 |
| jelkner | I will take responsibility | 15:45 |
| scooper | Jeff, I not against Jallah in any way, more beside I talked with you before to allow Jallah to join us right | 15:45 |
| jelkner | Yes, I know | 15:46 |
| jelkner | but he needs a laptop today | 15:46 |
| jelkner | or he won't have one during the break | 15:46 |
| jelkner | so let's make sure that happens | 15:46 |
| jelkner | we don't have time to waste | 15:46 |
| scooper | So giving him a computer is not a problem but Mr. Zawolo have to approve of it right, or do you want me lost this little job?? | 15:46 |
| jelkner | scooper, i am telling you to do it. | 15:46 |
| jelkner | if the Supe has a problem, i will tell him to fire me, not you | 15:47 |
| scooper | If Mr. Zawolo get to know I give a computer out without his permission I will be in serious problem, that is what I m avoiding Jeff | 15:47 |
| jelkner | i sent the laptops, and i will send more | 15:47 |
| jelkner | but if you are not going to use them effectively, i won't send them any more | 15:47 |
| jelkner | what effectively means right now is loaning one to Jallah | 15:47 |
| jelkner | so i am telling you to *PLEASE* do that | 15:48 |
| jelkner | on my instructions | 15:48 |
| scooper | Ok Jeff | 15:48 |
| jelkner | if he the Supe doesn't like it, he can tell me | 15:48 |
| jelkner | He is busy scooper | 15:48 |
| jelkner | i emailed him, and tried calling him on every number i have for him | 15:49 |
| scooper | If I'm fire you should get ready to call me to live with you in America hahaahah | 15:49 |
| jelkner | so i did my part | 15:49 |
| scooper | Yes | 15:49 |
| jelkner | it's a deal, scooper! ;-) | 15:49 |
| jelkner | we need to solve the problem | 15:49 |
| jelkner | i always respect his leadership | 15:49 |
| scooper | Got you | 15:49 |
| jelkner | but we need to not let that kill our efforts | 15:49 |
| jelkner | we did the right thing | 15:50 |
| jelkner | now we need to take action so we can all move forward | 15:50 |
| jelkner | don't worry | 15:50 |
| scooper | Can I make few recommendation Jeff | 15:50 |
| jelkner | Please, scooper | 15:50 |
| jelkner | i'm waiting | 15:50 |
| jelkner | but in 10 minutes i have to leave | 15:50 |
| jelkner | so do it now | 15:50 |
| scooper | If we most learn from Aaron and tmickelson | 15:51 |
| jelkner | i don't know what you mean by that | 15:51 |
| jelkner | we are a team | 15:51 |
| jelkner | and they are the sys admins | 15:51 |
| jelkner | we learn sys admin things from them | 15:52 |
| scooper | They need to step a particular day aside to help us, the time in which they come online is not really enough for us alot all | 15:52 |
| jelkner | but they are not developers | 15:52 |
| jelkner | AntonioA and Luke are | 15:52 |
| jelkner | scooper, i'm afraid that since they are volunteers | 15:52 |
| jelkner | we may not be able to do that | 15:52 |
| scooper | 5 , 10 are not just enough Jeff, more beside Freena Jallah live far distance | 15:52 |
| jelkner | they are students | 15:52 |
| jelkner | with a lot of responsibilities | 15:53 |
| jelkner | i have managed to get them in my class for 30 minutes each school day | 15:53 |
| scooper | coming to MCSS throguht out the week is really difficult for them and the time alotted is not sufffient | 15:53 |
| jelkner | that's what we got | 15:53 |
| jelkner | we need to make use of that | 15:53 |
| jelkner | and learn on our own | 15:53 |
| jelkner | so we can take over from them | 15:53 |
| scooper | Next | 15:53 |
| jelkner | keep in mind, i can afford to hire Monrovia folks to do this | 15:54 |
| jelkner | that's part of our business plan | 15:54 |
| jelkner | The minimum wage here is $15 per hour | 15:54 |
| scooper | I have been doing my own studies trying to understand django template and that include urls routing view and others | 15:54 |
| jelkner | on my teacher's salary, i can't afford to hire them | 15:54 |
| jelkner | that is great, scooper | 15:54 |
| jelkner | so you should be part of the process of porting the site | 15:55 |
| scooper | Adrian have been good to me | 15:55 |
| scooper | over the past time | 15:55 |
| jelkner | yes, i know | 15:55 |
| jelkner | btw. my wife and i are going to visit Adrian in the UK next April | 15:55 |
| jelkner | and I will see him here January 5th | 15:56 |
| scooper | I'm gradually understanding the django template to know how it work like the modules, understanding inheritance alot we will talk better by 8pm my time | 15:56 |
| scooper | Alot need to be discuss but not in a hurry so we will better talk by 8pm please | 15:57 |
| jelkner | cool | 15:57 |
| jelkner | let's talk at 8 pm | 15:58 |
| jelkner | see you then | 15:58 |
| scooper | ok Jeff | 15:58 |
| scooper | Thanks for being there | 15:58 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for now | 15:58 |
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| LittleWebster | jkoleah | 19:00 |
| LittleWebster | Tick Tock! | 19:00 |
| LittleWebster | It's 19:00 UTC o'clock and NOVA Web Development's meeting is starting. | 19:00 |
| LittleWebster | Uh-oh! That is embarassing... | 19:00 |
| LittleWebster | Unfortunately, there are no items on the agenda! | 19:00 |
| LittleWebster | Have a nice day, Websters! | 19:00 |
| jkoleah | I don't understand what you mean | 19:02 |
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| jkoleah_ | Hi Jeff | 20:01 |
| sysadmin | Hello Jeff | 20:02 |
| scooper | Hello Jeff | 20:03 |
| scooper | I will be back in ten minutes. I'm going to the bathroom to take my bath..... | 20:06 |
| jelkner | thehedgeh0g is here waiting for you when you get back scooper | 20:12 |
| jkoleah_ | I'm here Jeff | 20:13 |
| jelkner | jkoleah_, did you get a laptop? | 20:13 |
| jelkner | tmickelson found us a wonderful tool | 20:14 |
| jkoleah_ | yes Jeff, thanks so much, I hardly appreciate | 20:14 |
| jelkner | so now let's make good use of it, jkoleah_! | 20:15 |
| scooper | I'm here now Jeff | 20:15 |
| jelkner | Toby (tmickelson) found an application we can use, jkoleah_ | 20:16 |
| jelkner | https://tmate.io/ | 20:16 |
| thehedgeh0g | hi spencer, I've logged into your hetzner account, but I do not see a server created | 20:16 |
| scooper | did you use the information I give you | 20:16 |
| jkoleah_ | sure jeff | 20:16 |
| thehedgeh0g | I did, scooper, but I see a "default" project created, but no server created under the project. | 20:16 |
| scooper | I received a message from Hetzner that the server was available for use | 20:17 |
| jkoleah_ | where is Toby now Jeff ? | 20:17 |
| jelkner | jkoleah_, he isn't here yet | 20:18 |
| thehedgeh0g | scooper, could you forward that email to me, please? | 20:18 |
| jelkner | by the time he comes, it may be too late for you | 20:18 |
| jelkner | we stay here until 7 pm, which is midnight your time | 20:18 |
| jelkner | i don't know when he will get here | 20:18 |
| jelkner | it is after school | 20:18 |
| scooper | let me search and see | 20:19 |
| jkoleah_ | when will he be available Jeff ? | 20:19 |
| jkoleah_ | I can be here up to that time Jeff | 20:20 |
| scooper | Aaron I coming please be patience | 20:23 |
| scooper | meanwhile can you please tell me what time day during the week you are a bit free??? | 20:24 |
| scooper | I need to learn alot from you | 20:24 |
| thehedgeh0g | scooper, I'm free the most on thursdays during this time | 20:26 |
| thehedgeh0g | I am also available during 1st period classes on B days here, which change depending on the week | 20:27 |
| scooper | OK so can we schedule every Thursday to meet | 20:27 |
| thehedgeh0g | feel free to send me an IRC message any time, and even if I don't see it when you send it, I will be able to see it later. | 20:28 |
| thehedgeh0g | scooper: that works for me | 20:28 |
| scooper | Ok but I need us to have a plan to meet every Thursday on HExchat | 20:29 |
| scooper | Can we make it happen??? | 20:30 |
| thehedgeh0g | scooper: I can start doing that when I get back from winter break, which will be January 5th. Does that work for you? | 20:32 |
| jelkner | jkoleah_, we will look into tmate as soon as tmickelson arrives | 20:32 |
| jelkner | jkoleah_, you don't need to stay if it is getting late for you. | 20:32 |
| jelkner | we can email you after we figure out how it works to set up a time to test it | 20:33 |
| jkoleah_ | I can stay Jeff | 20:33 |
| jelkner | cool | 20:33 |
| jkoleah_ | Yeah Jeff | 20:33 |
| jkoleah_ | I just from making research on that, and I saw that it's cool for us to use Jeff | 20:34 |
| scooper | Ok | 20:35 |
| scooper | please check your email and Hexchat private message | 20:35 |
| scooper | If I didn't do the right thing can we do it together???? | 20:40 |
| thehedgeh0g | yes we can scooper, check your private messages | 20:43 |
| scooper | thehedgeh0g, I just did | 21:02 |
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| scooper | Jeff | 21:50 |
| jelkner | scooper, | 21:52 |
| jelkner | tmickelson, it looks like jkoleah had to leave | 21:53 |
| jelkner | so you'll have to start testing tmate on your own | 21:53 |
| jelkner | scooper, what can i do for you? | 21:53 |
| scooper | We need to talk like I said earlier today | 21:54 |
| jelkner | well, here i am | 21:55 |
| scooper | Are you in the best position to have a lengthy conversion with me | 21:55 |
| jelkner | i can't have a lengthy conversation now | 21:55 |
| jelkner | i'm in my classroom hosting a meet up | 21:55 |
| scooper | I want us go private hope it's ok for you | 21:55 |
| scooper | Should I wait | 21:55 |
| jelkner | you should wait | 21:56 |
| scooper | How many hours from now Jeff?? | 21:56 |
| jelkner | no, tomorrow | 21:56 |
| jelkner | it will be too late tonight | 21:56 |
| jelkner | you know, an email might be best | 21:56 |
| scooper | Just tell me it's important so I will wait | 21:56 |
| jelkner | gives you a chance to compose your thoughts | 21:57 |
| jelkner | and me a chance to think carefully about my response | 21:57 |
| scooper | We need to exchange conversion | 21:57 |
| jelkner | well then, we will have to think when | 21:57 |
| jelkner | tomorrow might work | 21:57 |
| scooper | It will look like face to face meeting | 21:57 |
| jelkner | what about Saturday morning? | 21:57 |
| scooper | I can up two or three hours | 21:57 |
| jelkner | we don't have class | 21:58 |
| jelkner | and i can be up at the regular time | 21:58 |
| jelkner | so we could meet at 12 noon your time | 21:58 |
| jelkner | we can meet in irc | 21:58 |
| jelkner | and i can try to see if we can get Signal working on your phone | 21:58 |
| jelkner | then we could talk | 21:58 |
| scooper | On Saturday??? | 21:58 |
| jelkner | yes, would that work? | 21:59 |
| scooper | Any Aaron and I just completed the first task | 21:59 |
| scooper | yes | 21:59 |
| jelkner | Saturday at 12 noon Liberia time | 21:59 |
| jelkner | scooper, dafni is here to talk about the 2nd task | 21:59 |
| jelkner | she is going to work with you to move the MCSS website to a static site | 21:59 |
| jelkner | i was thinking github pages, but thehedgeh0g is saying they could make it run on the same server | 22:00 |
| jelkner | as the email system | 22:00 |
| jelkner | that would be better | 22:00 |
| jelkner | we have a bit of time to decide that | 22:00 |
| jelkner | since we need to get it ported first | 22:00 |
| scooper | Aaron said the same to me but we need to talk as you have saturday will be ok | 22:00 |
| jelkner | good | 22:00 |
| scooper | Jeff | 22:01 |
| jelkner | i will meet you here on irc Saturday at 8 am my time | 22:01 |
| jelkner | that is 12 noon your time | 22:01 |
| scooper | Ok | 22:01 |
| jelkner | great, now let's talk about the website | 22:01 |
| scooper | I give Jallah the computer under your instructions hope it's ok for you SIr | 22:02 |
| scooper | OK | 22:02 |
| jelkner | yes, my dear friend, i am very happy | 22:02 |
| jelkner | he needs to have that | 22:02 |
| jelkner | i will give the Supe a computer for him when i see him here in Virginia at the beginning of January | 22:02 |
| jelkner | i will ask him to bring that laptop back for Jallah | 22:03 |
| jelkner | and then Jallah can return the burrowed machine to the lab | 22:03 |
| jelkner | in the mean time, he has what he needs to get started at UoPeople | 22:03 |
| scooper | Did you received the template I send you | 22:03 |
| jelkner | so thank you! | 22:03 |
| jelkner | no, when did you send it? | 22:03 |
| scooper | The Bootstrap web pages I share with you and Adrain that was placed in a django template | 22:04 |
| jelkner | when? which email address? | 22:05 |
| jelkner | i don't recall seeing that | 22:05 |
| jelkner | i don't know that we need it | 22:05 |
| jelkner | we are moving to a static website for now | 22:05 |
| scooper | I will resend it when I'm done but this time around it will just be a static files not in a django template because I'm still figuring out hope to make the urls and views work properly | 22:06 |
| scooper | I know | 22:06 |
| jelkner | scooper, you are learning a lot | 22:07 |
| jelkner | but since we don't need a dynamic site at this point | 22:07 |
| jelkner | let's keep things simple | 22:07 |
| jelkner | we want you to be able to mange it | 22:08 |
| jelkner | MCSS website i mean | 22:08 |
| scooper | So I want us to use the template am working on Jeff, the Sup saw it and approve of it because this what he ask me to do | 22:08 |
| jelkner | and to begin training jkoleah and fkoikoi to help you | 22:08 |
| scooper | It's a static website for now | 22:08 |
| jelkner | i'll meet with the Supe and talk about this | 22:08 |
| jelkner | bottom line, there is no budget to get you the help you would need at this stage | 22:09 |
| scooper | I'm inline with your idea which will be ok for me | 22:09 |
| jelkner | good | 22:09 |
| jelkner | it is the best plan for now i think | 22:09 |
| jelkner | we always want a plan that best matches our needs with our resources | 22:09 |
| scooper | I can manage this project I'm working on Jeff | 22:09 |
| jelkner | yes | 22:09 |
| scooper | it's Jeff static files no backend coding it need right now | 22:10 |
| jelkner | when you are ready, scooper, you can set up a Django server in the lab | 22:10 |
| jelkner | on one of the machines there | 22:10 |
| jelkner | that means no additional cost | 22:10 |
| jelkner | and you can use it to learn | 22:10 |
| jelkner | i want to get jkoleah and fkoikoi helping you maintain the lab | 22:11 |
| jelkner | you and i need to build the team | 22:11 |
| jelkner | we are the project managers | 22:12 |
| jelkner | our job is to have a vision for what we are trying to do | 22:12 |
| scooper | That why I said we will have a lengthy conversion. Alot need to be discuss Jeff by Saturday | 22:12 |
| jelkner | agreed | 22:12 |
| jelkner | let's talk saturday | 22:12 |
| jelkner | i need to go now | 22:12 |
| jelkner | and let you go too | 22:12 |
| scooper | Thanks Jeff | 22:12 |
| jelkner | dafni, you'll work on the static pages | 22:13 |
| scooper | My daughter extend her regards to you | 22:13 |
| jelkner | say hi to her, and your wife! | 22:13 |
| scooper | Tomorrow making her five months Jeff | 22:13 |
| jelkner | yes, i remember seeing her there in the hospital | 22:13 |
| jelkner | ok, scooper let's talk saturday | 22:13 |
| jelkner | bye for now... | 22:14 |
| scooper | Ok | 22:14 |
| jelkner | ACTION logs off for the evening | 22:14 |
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| scooper | dafni, how are you | 22:14 |
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