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| svaye | Good morning fkoikoi,and scooper | 10:41 |
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| fkoikoi | Good morning svaye | 10:41 |
| svaye | how are you | 10:44 |
| fkoikoi | I'm good and you | 10:45 |
| svaye | I am good | 10:47 |
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| sysadmin | https://git.mcssliberia.org/python-team/PythonStudy/src/branch/main/GASP/Sheet2/mathquizbySpencer.py | 10:57 |
| jelkner | Good morning fkoikoi, scooper, and svaye! | 10:59 |
| svaye | Good morning Jeff | 10:59 |
| jelkner | What's the plan for today? | 10:59 |
| jelkner | I'm working on Python exercises and a final exam for my Summer class. | 10:59 |
| jelkner | We have only 2 weeks left after today. | 11:00 |
| fkoikoi | We are working on the gasp project Jeff | 11:01 |
| jelkner | excellent, fkoikoi | 11:01 |
| jelkner | for the Summer class, i am having them work in pairs | 11:01 |
| jelkner | and their last project will be Sheet 5: The Robots are Coming! | 11:02 |
| svaye | We are working on writing a program from the question we missed during the quiz | 11:02 |
| jelkner | but then i also need to supplement that with quiz questions that evaluate whether they are learning what the sheets have to teach | 11:02 |
| fkoikoi | this is the link to the work I did | 11:02 |
| jelkner | svaye, that is great | 11:03 |
| fkoikoi | https://git.mcssliberia.org/fkoikoi/PythonStudy/src/branch/master/chapter2.py | 11:03 |
| jelkner | please be disciplined about making progress each day | 11:03 |
| jelkner | we have time, and it will take time, but we need to keep moving forward | 11:03 |
| svaye | Okay Jeff | 11:03 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, i was mentioning that you should not be repeating code in the file | 11:04 |
| fkoikoi | +1 | 11:05 |
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| jelkner | so your solution to challenge 1 | 11:05 |
| jelkner | is improved by your use of an f-string in challenge 3 | 11:05 |
| jelkner | you should *change* the code, not include both | 11:05 |
| jelkner | your commit messages will say what you did | 11:06 |
| jelkner | and then you can view the past versions through the commit history | 11:06 |
| jelkner | i wonder if mulbah and thomas ever got screen sharing working with kevin | 11:07 |
| jelkner | ? | 11:07 |
| dcammue | Good morning | 11:07 |
| dcammue | everyome | 11:07 |
| jelkner | if they did, i could use that to demonstrate the process | 11:07 |
| jelkner | that would be really helpful | 11:07 |
| jelkner | but only if the tech works smoothly | 11:07 |
| jelkner | i don't want to spend a lot of time fiddling with the tech | 11:07 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, can you please ask them? | 11:08 |
| jelkner | scooper, can you help fkoikoi with that? | 11:08 |
| fkoikoi | ask them what Jeff | 11:09 |
| jelkner | look in the log, fkoikoi ;-) | 11:09 |
| fkoikoi | okay | 11:09 |
| jelkner | https://irclogs.novawebdevelopment.org/%23novawebdev/2023-07-20.log.html | 11:09 |
| jelkner | when you get disconnected | 11:10 |
| jelkner | which you seem to do a lot | 11:10 |
| jelkner | you can look in the log to see what you missed | 11:10 |
| jelkner | since scooper is not responding | 11:10 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, what did i ask you to do? | 11:10 |
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| sysadmin_ | Good morning Jeff | 11:11 |
| jelkner | sysadmin_, scooper, i presume? | 11:11 |
| jelkner | that's better | 11:11 |
| janet | Good morning Jeff | 11:11 |
| scooper | I m scooper now | 11:11 |
| scooper | https://git.mcssliberia.org/python-team/PythonStudy/src/branch/main/GASP/Sheet2/mathquizbySpencer.py | 11:12 |
| jelkner | why do you get disconnected so often? | 11:12 |
| scooper | the network | 11:12 |
| fkoikoi | Jeff | 11:12 |
| scooper | is bad | 11:12 |
| jelkner | that's what i thought | 11:12 |
| fkoikoi | Thomas said that they have already done thata | 11:13 |
| jelkner | a big problem for us as tech folks | 11:13 |
| fkoikoi | *I mean the screen sharing with kelvin | 11:13 |
| jelkner | Jetro Web Development will need reliable bandwidth if it wants to be a successful busniness | 11:13 |
| scooper | can you review our code and make some suggestion??? | 11:13 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, that is wonderful | 11:13 |
| jelkner | do you think you can put on the agenda for the last item on saturday that they teach us how to do it? | 11:14 |
| fkoikoi | I am going to make the changes in my program today Jeff | 11:14 |
| jelkner | it would be so nice if we could use that for demonstration lessons | 11:15 |
| fkoikoi | sure Jeff | 11:15 |
| jelkner | scooper, i am not sure what to suggest | 11:15 |
| scooper | are the code ok or bad??? | 11:15 |
| jelkner | i already suggested that each "challenge" that is not part of the main program should be in a separate file | 11:15 |
| jelkner | so we shouldn't have challenges 6 & 7 and challenge 8 written like that are | 11:16 |
| jelkner | there are two kinds of challenges: | 11:16 |
| scooper | ok got you, that will not repeat itself again | 11:16 |
| jelkner | 1. Challenges that are steps in the iterative process of developing the main program | 11:17 |
| jelkner | 2. Challenges that are "side experiments" that teach a new concept, but which *do not* have code that will be part of the final program | 11:17 |
| jelkner | All challenges of the first type should be commits to mathquiz.py | 11:18 |
| jelkner | All challenges of the second type should be *separate* files, with names like challenge2.py | 11:18 |
| jelkner | or whatever challenge they solve | 11:18 |
| jelkner | programming is all about having a plan for what you are trying to do | 11:19 |
| jelkner | and writing code that makes the computer do it for you | 11:19 |
| jelkner | development takes place iteratively | 11:20 |
| jelkner | you start with a small program that works | 11:20 |
| jelkner | and then develop it step by step | 11:20 |
| jelkner | making commits when you get some new feature working | 11:20 |
| jelkner | i could do a lesson where i walk you through the entire process of completing sheet 2 | 11:21 |
| jelkner | but it would be great if: | 11:21 |
| jelkner | 1. you could see my screen as i type | 11:21 |
| jelkner | 2. you could hear my voice as i talk about what i'm doing | 11:21 |
| scooper | right now??? | 11:22 |
| jelkner | we should see if our sys admin team can work with kevin on that | 11:22 |
| jelkner | no | 11:22 |
| jelkner | we don't have the tech working | 11:22 |
| jelkner | i wish we did | 11:22 |
| scooper | thomas have done it in my present before | 11:22 |
| jelkner | kevin was looking into screen sharing with mulbah | 11:22 |
| jelkner | and thomas | 11:23 |
| scooper | so I m sure he can do it for us | 11:23 |
| jelkner | and he also was exploring mumble for voice | 11:23 |
| scooper | And I also did screen sharing the Aaron before.... | 11:23 |
| jelkner | scooper, we need to really task them with evaluating our need and seeing if they can help us solve it | 11:23 |
| jelkner | yes, but just because you saw someone do it before does not mean we have solved our problem | 11:24 |
| jelkner | our problem is "solved" when all of us know how to do it easily | 11:24 |
| jelkner | when it becomes a tool in our toolboxes | 11:24 |
| jelkner | something we don't even think about any more because, like a hammer for a carpenter, it's "just there" | 11:25 |
| jelkner | it may be that our bandwidth challenges will prevent this | 11:25 |
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| jelkner | since screen sharing a voice require more and more reliable bandwidth | 11:25 |
| jelkner | if that is the case, we revert to our present practice of relying on irc and git | 11:26 |
| jelkner | we can do that | 11:26 |
| jelkner | but it makes it more challenging to explain some things | 11:27 |
| jelkner | like the process of development i am trying to communicate | 11:27 |
| jelkner | i wish i could "Show you" | 11:27 |
| jelkner | i could write up a step-by-step tutorial | 11:27 |
| jelkner | but that would be many hours of work for me | 11:27 |
| jelkner | and i am already trying to do more things than i have time for | 11:28 |
| jelkner | this is important though | 11:28 |
| jelkner | so let's talk about it on saturday | 11:28 |
| jelkner | !agenda | 11:28 |
| LittleWebster | Warning: There are no items on the agenda! | 11:28 |
| jelkner | scooper and fkoikoi | 11:29 |
| jelkner | we need you to lead us in planning our agenda | 11:29 |
| jelkner | it's thursday, and there is nothing there | 11:29 |
| jelkner | how will we move forward if you don't plan? | 11:29 |
| jelkner | ok, i need to go | 11:30 |
| jelkner | since it looks like everyone is disconnected anyway | 11:30 |
| jelkner | ACTION hopes they will read the log | 11:31 |
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| sysadmin | sorry we are back | 11:39 |
| jelkner | scooper, look at the logs | 11:42 |
| jelkner | and let's talk saturday | 11:42 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 11:42 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the day | 11:42 |
| fkoikoi_ | !add Sharing Screen and voice communication (tboimah & mulbah) (15min) | 11:42 |
| LittleWebster | Success: "Sharing Screen and voice communication (tboimah & mulbah) (15min)" has been added to the agenda. | 11:42 |
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| fkoikoi_ | !add Updates from each group (7minutes) | 11:44 |
| LittleWebster | Success: "Updates from each group (7minutes)" has been added to the agenda. | 11:44 |
| fkoikoi_ | !agenda | 11:44 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 11:44 |
| LittleWebster | Sharing Screen and voice communication (tboimah & mulbah) (15min) (added by fkoikoi_) | 11:44 |
| LittleWebster | Updates from each group (7minutes) (added by fkoikoi_) | 11:44 |
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| svaye | ACTION signs off | 11:45 |
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| mulbah | hello | 13:37 |
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| mulbah | Hello shmohamud | 21:12 |
| mulbah | How are you doing | 21:12 |
| shmohamud | Hi Mulbah | 21:12 |
| shmohamud | Doing okay, how are you? | 21:13 |
| mulbah | I'm doing great | 21:13 |
| shmohamud | wonderful | 21:13 |
| shmohamud | do you have any questions for me? | 21:14 |
| mulbah | not yet but I will tell when I have | 21:18 |
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