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| ubuntourist | Hullo mulbah, shmohamud, sysadmin_ | 14:09 |
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| mulbah | How are you doing Mr. Cole | 14:10 |
| tboimah | Good morning ubuntourist and shmohamud | 14:11 |
| ubuntourist | Trying to organize my day. Tomorrow's an unusually busy musical day for me. Three different gatherings scattered around the area, and I hope to participate in all of them. | 14:11 |
| gabriel | Good morning Mr. Cole | 14:12 |
| ubuntourist | How are you all and how goes the Python adventure? | 14:12 |
| tboimah | We are fine, we have some question here that Jeff us to work on can we do it together | 14:13 |
| tboimah | i can you the link if you want to | 14:13 |
| tboimah | *send | 14:13 |
| ubuntourist | I think I may have mentioned that I am a slow reader, even though I read a lot. And I hate timed tests. | 14:13 |
| ubuntourist | So, I can understand the frustration of running out of time and not finishing. | 14:13 |
| gabriel | ok | 14:14 |
| ubuntourist | tboimah, I think I have it. jelkner sent email about a revised practice test. | 14:14 |
| gabriel | sure | 14:15 |
| tboimah | sure | 14:15 |
| gabriel | and we're analyzing it but.. | 14:15 |
| ubuntourist | I have not looked at the link he sent. I will look now. Hold a second... | 14:16 |
| ubuntourist | You are all talking about | 14:16 |
| ubuntourist | https://codeberg.org/ACC/csc221/src/branch/master/PCEP/DJ4EchooserQuiz.md | 14:17 |
| ubuntourist | right? | 14:17 |
| tboimah | year | 14:17 |
| tboimah | yeah | 14:17 |
| tboimah | it also have a link ther to the program | 14:17 |
| tboimah | that we are going to | 14:17 |
| tboimah | look at to answer the question | 14:17 |
| tboimah | did you see that too? | 14:18 |
| ubuntourist | Let me call up that as well... | 14:19 |
| ubuntourist | OK. | 14:22 |
| ubuntourist | First, I've told you all twice in the chat to look at the StackOverflow page. | 14:23 |
| ubuntourist | So, I know you've all done that and looked at the four-line example that was provided in the best answer. | 14:23 |
| ubuntourist | Right? | 14:23 |
| ubuntourist | (And, no. I'm not going to post the link again.) | 14:24 |
| tboimah | OKay | 14:26 |
| tboimah | sure i created an account on it | 14:27 |
| ubuntourist | tboimah, and you found the answer that I said had 3407 votes as a good answer? | 14:28 |
| tboimah | sure | 14:28 |
| ubuntourist | OK. | 14:29 |
| ubuntourist | So then. | 14:29 |
| ubuntourist | Where do you start having trouble with Jeff's quiz? | 14:29 |
| ubuntourist | I mean, which questions have you been unable to find answers to? | 14:30 |
| tboimah | question number 5 and 7 | 14:30 |
| ubuntourist | Let me skim the program to see if I spot the answer to #5 first. | 14:31 |
| ubuntourist | I'll need to spend more time on #5. (Jeff's coding style is different from mine.) | 14:36 |
| tboimah | Okay how about number 7 | 14:36 |
| tboimah | ] | 14:36 |
| ubuntourist | I won't give the answer, but I will say look at the documentation on the copy function. | 14:39 |
| tboimah | Okay | 14:39 |
| tboimah | thanks for the Hint | 14:39 |
| ubuntourist | And, you could try searching StackOverflow to see if someone else has asked a question like that. | 14:40 |
| tboimah | sure | 14:40 |
| ubuntourist | Search for tags or keywords: python copy change original | 14:41 |
| ubuntourist | Or something like that. The question Jeff is asking is "Why did the copy function not make a true duplicate? | 14:42 |
| gabriel | But i though it was to copy in the variable people? | 14:43 |
| ubuntourist | When he told it to change something in the copied object, why did it change something in the original object?" | 14:44 |
| ubuntourist | His expectation would have been that copy() creates a true copy, and that changes to the copy would not affect the original. | 14:45 |
| ubuntourist | But something unexpected is happening. So, copy() must not be working the way the programmer thought. | 14:46 |
| ubuntourist | (Other people will have run into this problem and asked about it. I know had a similar experience once, and was | 14:46 |
| ubuntourist | baffled.) | 14:47 |
| ubuntourist | I would also search the Python Library Reference. Use the Index and look for copy(). | 14:50 |
| ubuntourist | BUT... | 14:50 |
| ubuntourist | You will find more than one copy(). Look at the object that Jeff is using the copy method with. | 14:51 |
| ubuntourist | That will help you determine WHICH copy() in the Python Library Reference to pay attention to. | 14:51 |
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| ubuntourist | When you read the description, of how the copy() works, if you don't understand what it is telling you, | 14:52 |
| ubuntourist | search the web for the meaning of the definition. | 14:53 |
| ubuntourist | And it looks like a bad network (or bad generator) day for you... | 14:53 |
| ubuntourist | ...and I see (I think) the answer to question 5 now. | 14:58 |
| ubuntourist | (One problem a lot of more experienced programmers have is that | 14:59 |
| ubuntourist | we forget how new programmers think and work. So, my first thought was that | 14:59 |
| ubuntourist | I would do everything differently, and so there is a lot that is unnecessary. But that is because | 15:00 |
| ubuntourist | I would be making use of modules and concepts which you may not have yet. Jeff re-wrote a book | 15:01 |
| ubuntourist | "Think Like a Computer Scientist". I need to read a book "Think Like a Computer Science Student". | 15:01 |
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