IRC log of #jetrowebdev for Saturday, 2023-10-28

jelknerGood morning dcammue and svaye!11:59
jelknerAre you ready to start?11:59
dcammue Good morning jelkner 12:01
dcammue+112:01
jelknerAre you at home or the MCSS office, dcammue?12:01
dcammueMcss office12:01
svayeGood mprning jelkner 12:01
jelknerIs svaye with you?12:02
dcammuebut svaye  is not here12:02
svayeno I am home12:02
jelknerok12:02
jelknerso the first thing i want to figure out is how the two of you are going to work together12:02
dcammueokay12:02
jelknermy ideal situation would be that you would "pair" as often as possible12:02
jelknerbut that means you are in the same place at the same time12:03
jelknerlater on, we could learn to pair remotely12:03
jelknerlike mulbah and tboimah do with kevin12:03
jelknerso, tell me a bit about your available schedules?12:04
jelknercould we set up regular times for you to collaborate?12:04
dcammueI can be available at all time12:04
jelknerwow, dcammue, that might be a bit *too* flexible ;-)12:05
dcammueyes we can do that12:05
jelknerbut i'm glad you have flexibility12:05
jelknersvaye, what about your schedule?12:05
svayeI try my best to be at the office everyday12:05
jelknerok, great12:05
jelknerso i'll let you two work out the details12:05
jelknerwe have some catching up to do12:06
jelknermy goal is for you two to keep up with my web class12:06
dcammueokay12:06
jelknerdo you know where to go for the lesson plans?12:06
dcammueI have it12:07
dcammuemeaning the link12:07
jelkneryes12:07
svayeI was a little behind because of some reason but I am doing my best to get back on track12:07
jelknergreat12:07
svayeI don't have the link jelkner 12:07
jelknerthat's why i need you two to work together, svaye 12:07
jelknerbecause dcammue is ready to help you12:07
jelknerbut you need to ask him12:07
svayeI asked him already12:08
dcammuethis is the link12:08
dcammuehttps://ict.gctaa.net/sections/webdev/index.html12:08
jelkner+112:08
jelknerbut also, you need to be able to login to the online CIW course12:08
dcammueI have that too12:09
svayeI can login12:09
jelknerok, great12:09
jelkneri haven't checked for awhile12:10
jelkneri'm logging in now12:10
jelknergive me a few minutes12:10
jelknerGreat, I'm in!12:12
dcammueokay12:12
jelknerI can see that dcammue is working on Lesson 312:12
jelknerand svaye has not finished Lesson 2 yet12:12
jelknerdcammue, you did not take the Lesson 2 quiz12:12
jelknerbut you did everything else12:12
dcammueyes12:13
dcammuethe password for the qiuze12:13
jelknerAlso, we've been trying to figure out in my class how to "up the score" on the Knowledge Check12:13
jelkneryou have 38%12:13
jelknerKnowledge Check are all those drag-and-drop, and menu choice items in the Lesson12:14
jelknerThere is a check button you click when you are done12:14
jelknerand it tells you immediately if you have them right12:14
jelknerthey show up green (correct) or red (incorrect)12:14
jelkneryou can do them over and over12:15
jelkneruntil they are all green12:15
jelknerit's a good idea to do that12:15
dcammueokay12:15
jelknerlet me see if i can activate the Lesson 2 quiz12:15
jelknerdcammue, are you saying that if you try to take the quiz, it asks you for a password?12:19
dcammueyes12:19
dcammueit is lock12:20
jelknerAh, dcammue, I found it12:20
jelknerThe password for the quiz is: web4mcss212:20
jelknerLet'12:21
jelkners12:21
jelkneroops12:21
jelknerLet's not do that now12:21
jelknersince it will take too long12:21
jelknerbut you should do it on your own soon12:21
dcammueok12:22
jelknerThe other lesson quizzes are not locked12:22
jelkneri won't lock them12:22
jelkneri think that means you can take them whenever you want12:22
jelknerlet me know if you have any trouble with the lesson 3 quiz12:22
svayejelkner, I have a problem with the lesson12:22
jelknerwhat is that, svaye?12:23
svayewhenever I am reading the page stop, and I can't go the next page12:23
jelknerso, my friend, please try this when you are in the lab12:23
jelknerand dcammue or scooper or someone else can try to help you12:24
jelkneri can't really help with that from here12:24
svayeI have to open the site again12:24
tboimahGood day folks12:24
jelknergood day tboimah 12:24
jelknercan you do that, svaye?12:25
svaye+112:25
jelknergreat12:25
jelknertboimah, glad you are here12:25
dcammueIt happens to me too but it takes like one and half minutes to  go to the next page12:25
tboimahyea12:25
jelknerdcammue, svaye, if that is the case, then the problem is most likely bandwidth12:26
dcammueyes12:26
jelkneronline web apps like this curriculum use *a lot* of JavaScript12:26
jelknerand they have big media files too12:26
jelknerso that is problably the issue12:26
jelknernot much we can do about that in the short term12:27
jelknerin the long term, we need a new school with faster, dedicated bandwidth12:27
jelknerit may be years before we get that12:27
jelknerso in the mean time, we learn to work with what we have12:27
jelknerthe good thing about learning to work with limited resources is that it will make us *very wise* ;-)12:28
jelknerwe will develop skills many spoiled users never get12:28
svayeokay12:28
jelknerok, tboimah 12:28
jelknerback to you12:28
jelknerwhat do you know about the students.mcssliberia.org server?12:29
tboimahI know the students.mcssliberia.org  server was broke by you before but it is fix now, and active and anything eles you want to know from me12:31
tboimahyou can ask and if i have know about it i can tell you12:31
jelknerNice, tboimah 12:32
jelknerI'm asking because I am getting old, and my mind is going ;-)12:32
jelknerActually, I still have most of my mind, but I am doing too many things12:32
jelknerI just checked12:33
jelknerThis is a server hosted by Hetzner12:33
jelknerI purchased it12:33
jelknerit's the only Hetzner server i have12:33
jelknerIt is located in Nuremberg, Germany12:33
jelknerbtw, tboimah I broke gittea12:34
jelknernot "the server"12:34
jelknerexactly12:34
jelknerwho set up gittea, tboimah?12:35
jelkneron that machine, i mean12:35
jelknerright now, tboimah, svaye, and jelkner are all logged into it12:35
tboimahwhich machine are you talking about12:35
jelknerwhich machine have we been talking about, tboimah?12:36
jelkneri haven't changed that since we started12:36
tboimahokay for that i can tell but i think it was tmicklson12:36
jelknergreat thought12:36
jelknerbut no, it wasn't12:36
jelknerit was arabach12:36
jelknerthehedgehog12:37
tboimahyou mean Aaron12:37
jelkner+112:37
jelknerHe is a *very* skilled sys admin12:37
Gabhello jeff12:37
jelknerbut he graduated12:37
jelknerit is important for you, tboimah, and mulbah, to get to know these people12:37
tboimahsure12:38
jelknerbecause little by little12:38
jelkneryou will be taking over their work12:38
jelknerand you need to know how to ask them for assistance when you run into trouble12:38
jelknerAaron is off to university now12:38
jelknerbut he stopped by "nice surprise" one Thursday a few weeks back12:39
scooperSure Jeff but Aaron is not flexible as Adrian and tmicklson12:39
jelknerScooper, the task of making a project like this means working with a lot of different people12:40
jelknerlearning about their strengths and weaknesses, and how we can all use what we are good at to make our project successful12:40
jelknerscooper, i will tell you this12:40
scooperI understand but sometime Aaron can be hesitant in helping12:40
jelknerscooper, i don't think you are understanding me12:41
jelknerAaron is away at college12:41
jelknerwe can't depend on him12:41
jelknerbut we are super grateful when he stops by to help12:41
jelknerwe need to grab those opportunities12:41
jelknerhe is a volunteer12:42
jelknerhe owes us nothing12:42
jelknerplease remember that!12:42
jelknerwe need to show gratitude to volunteers12:42
jelkneror they will just go away12:42
jelknerand where will we be then?12:42
jelkneranyway12:42
jelknertmickelson is very smart12:42
jelknerbut does not have Aaron's skills12:43
jelknerbut he is learning fast12:43
jelknerhe has the right attitude12:43
jelknerwhen Aaron stopped by12:43
jelknerand fixed gittea12:43
jelknertmickelson watched him12:43
jelknerand learned12:43
jelknernow i think tmickelson will be able to keep it running12:43
jelknerover time, we need tboimah and mulbah to do likewise12:44
jelkneranyway, tboimah, back to the server12:44
jelkneryou have sudo on it?12:44
tboimahI have12:44
jelknernice12:44
jelknerso your task now is to keep it running12:44
jelknerto understand what services are on it12:45
tboimahOkay12:45
jelknerand how they interact with each other12:45
jelknervery complicated stuff12:45
jelknerwhen the rest of want to do something on that machine, we need to ask you12:45
jelkneryou and mulbah decide12:45
jelknersince you are responsible for keeping it running12:45
fkoikoiGood Morning Jeff12:45
jelknerGood morning fkoikoi!12:46
jelknertboimah, you want to make sure fools like jelkner don't break it! ;-)12:46
tboimahOkay :-)12:46
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jelknersvaye, we seem to have lost dcammue12:47
jelknerin addition to completing the CIW curriculum, svaye 12:47
jelknergreat, he is back12:47
jelknerin addition to completing the CIW curriculum, svaye and dcammue 12:47
jelknerwe want to do the "rebranding" together12:47
dcammueokay12:48
jelknerdo you know where to get the files to start, dcammue?12:48
jelkneri just downloaded them12:48
jelkneri could put them on the server12:48
dcammueI download it already12:48
svayeI already started it12:48
jelknerperfect!12:48
jelknerso we only have a few minutes left12:48
jelknerwhen can we meet again to talk about the rebranding?12:49
dcammueMonday?12:49
dcammueor no time?12:49
dcammueOr we can talk about it in the evening time by 4pm your time12:50
dcammueon monday12:50
jelknerdcammue, how about 3 pm my time Wednesday?12:50
jelknerlet me give you my schedule12:50
dcammueis all up to you jelkner 12:51
jelkneri stay after school on wednesdays and thursdays12:51
jelknerit is up to both of us dcammue 12:51
svayethat will be 9pm our time right12:51
jelknerno, svaye 12:51
dcammueyou have the best option12:51
jelkneron wednesdays, i stay from 3 pm to 4:30 pm12:51
jelknerthat is 7 to 8:30 pm your time12:51
jelkneron thursdays i stay from 3 pm until 7 pm12:52
svayeI am available at that time12:52
jelknerthat is 7 to 11 pm your time12:52
jelknerwednesdays would be best12:52
jelknercan we meet wednesday at 7 pm your time?12:52
dcammueThen let do it on wednesday12:53
jelknerdcammue, svaye will you have the first draft of the rebranding ready by then?12:53
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jelkneroops, we lost dcammue12:53
dcammueSo we all meet on Wednesday!12:54
jelkneryou didn't answer my question.12:54
dcammue@3pm jelkner time12:54
jelknerdcammue, svaye, will you have the first draft of the rebranding ready by then?12:54
dcammueyes12:55
svayeI will have it ready by then jelkner 12:55
jelknersvaye, it's now "I", it's we!12:55
jelknerwe want only one rebranding12:55
jelknernot 212:55
jelknerso you two have to coordinate12:55
svayesorry we will have it ready12:55
jelkneron wednesday we will put it under revision control12:55
jelknerthen there will be 3 of us working on it12:56
jelknerme included12:56
svaye+112:56
jelknerwe can use our own gittea server12:56
jelkneri'll confirm with tmickelson that he feels confident he can keep it running12:56
dcammueAlright12:57
jelknertboimah, i don't know if you talk to kevin about this12:57
jelknerbut learning to set up gittea would be a great project for you12:57
jelkneryou would need to practice in a lab machine12:57
tboimahyeah12:57
jelknerok, let's stop now12:57
jelknerfkoikoi will soon need this channel for the meeting12:58
jelknersee you wednesday at 3 pm my time svaye and dcammue 12:58
dcammueSee you too jelkner 12:58
svayesee you too jelkner 12:58
scooperAre you signing out for today????12:58
scooperjelkner12:59
jelknerno scooper 12:59
jelkneri'm just going to shut up a bit12:59
jelkneror try too ;-)12:59
scooperok got you12:59
jelknerso that fkoikoi can run her meeting12:59
mulbahHello everyone12:59
fkoikoiHi mulbah 12:59
BigBrotherfkoikoi : scooper : svaye : dcammue : mulbah : Gab : tboimah : jelkner13:00
BigBrotherTick Tock!13:00
BigBrotherIt's 13:00 UTC o'clock and NOVA Web Development's meeting is starting.13:00
BigBrotherThis is the agenda for today:13:00
BigBrotherDiscussion on the building of the School (added by fkoikoi)13:00
BigBrotherAOB (added by fkoikoi)13:00
BigBrotherHave a nice day, Websters!13:00
fkoikoiGood Morning everyone and welcome to today’s meeting. Today we are firstly going to be looking at the school building project. 13:00
mulbahOkay13:00
scoopergreat fkoikoi13:00
fkoikoiOn Tuesday, October 23, 2023, svaye and I had a meeting with the superintendent of MCSS13:01
fkoikoiand he give us his assurance that he is interested and is willing to work with us. 13:01
fkoikoiSecondly, he said that the land will be saturated around the old Road Community, SKD Boulevard  or the 5-40 Community13:01
fkoikoibut we should get back to him in two weeks time. He also ask about the type of school that is13:01
fkoikoineeded to be built.13:02
fkoikoiIn view of the above, 13:02
fkoikoiI now turn the flow over to Jelkner 13:02
jelknerLOL13:02
fkoikoito let us know what are some of the things that is needed to be done 13:02
jelknerso quickly, fkoikoi?13:02
fkoikoiand how was his meeting with Director Jahanbein of Kamal Foundation. 13:03
jelknerfkoikoi, thank you for that excellent summary13:03
fkoikoialright jelkner 13:03
jelknerso, let me say a few things about this13:03
mulbahalright13:03
jelkneri will certainly be part of this discussion13:03
jelknerand i will lend my experience as to what the new building needs to support Jetro Web Development13:04
jelknerbut that is only a small part of it13:04
jelknerwhat i like most about this project13:04
jelkneris that if it is going to succeed13:04
jelknerit will not be my project13:04
jelknerit will be your project13:04
jelkneryou (together with the Superintendent and the local community) will decide what it is13:05
jelknerwe will also need to have regular communication with Commy Jahanbein to see what is possilbe13:05
jelknerpossible13:05
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jelknerso we really have *a lot* more questions than answers at this point13:06
jelknerwe are just beginning on a long journey together13:06
jelknerso let me throw the question back to you all (since fkoikoi lost her connection)13:06
jelknerwhat do *you* think the new school should be?13:07
jelknerACTION done13:07
mulbahshould a be a computer school like: "for life zole" or like any computer school that is in Liberia13:10
jelkneronly better, right, mulbah? ;-)13:11
svayeI think it should be a senior high school13:11
scooper1What is the question 13:11
mulbahsvaye "what you mean by a senior high school"13:12
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fkoikoialright Jeff, like you said earlier, we firstly need to know what kind of school the community lacks13:12
svayeLike tubman high13:12
fkoikoiscooper1, the question was what do you think the new school should be?13:12
gaprinhosure13:13
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scooper1ooh thank fkoikoi13:13
scooper1when you are done let me come in13:13
fkoikoiyou can come in now scooper113:13
scooper1thanks, firstly our major concern is getting a land that the school will be build them we obtain office/work space there... so it as relates to the 13:14
scooper1kind of school we need the supe and the mcss family will be in the better position to tell us13:16
scooper1them we can relates to the Kemal foundation or Jeff, 13:16
scooper1because int he long run MCSS will be the one providing teachers for that school13:16
scooper1inclusion freena and svaye let meet with the supe to tell us what mcss really need13:17
scooper1Why our major concerns remind getting our space13:17
scooper1*remine13:17
scooper1ACTION donne13:17
svayeThe supe wanted to know if jelkner wanted a particular level in school like high school or junior high etc.13:18
scooper1Now13:19
svayethe supe said that MCSS will provide the teachers13:19
fkoikoiconcerning that scooper1, the sup said that MCSS will provide instructors for the school 13:19
scooper1Jeff has make it clean that the decision is now in the supe hand or our hands13:19
svayeokay13:20
fkoikoialso it depends on the community that the school will be built in too13:20
fkoikoiJelkner?13:21
jelknerfkoikoi?13:21
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jelknerfkoikoi, do you want my reaction?13:21
fkoikoiI think it will be a junior or senior high school and within the school Jetro Web Development will have an office place like the A. M. Kyne Center at Tubman High School13:22
dcammue_So can I come in a bit?13:23
fkoikoisure dcammue_13:23
dcammue_Firstly we to know what the people13:23
dcammue_want13:23
dcammue_in the area that the school will be build13:24
dcammue_if they want high school or junior13:24
dcammue_high13:24
dcammue_for me I think that the senior high will be better13:25
fkoikoiThat is what will discussed will with the community people after the land is found13:25
fkoikoi*be*13:25
dcammue_for that area that the sup mention13:25
jelknerfkoikoi, may i please have 3 minutes to share some info and thoughts?13:26
jelknerour meeting is almost over13:26
fkoikoiI think our main focus here is getting the land first because once the land is available then we will have answers to all of our questions13:26
fkoikoisure Jelkner13:27
jelknerfirstly, i can't begin to tell you how happy i am about the level of this discussion!!13:27
jelknerwe are off to a wonderful start!13:27
jelknera few pieces of info:13:27
jelkner1. i have scheduled a dinner with kevin at The Saloon for saturday, 11/2513:28
gaprinho+1 with dcammue because the act of selling anything is to know what the buyer want jeff but have anyone vet the land because we should also know what type of soil we13:28
mulbah07_fkoikoi knowing the type of school will be better too 13:28
jelkner2. i plan to spend 3 weeks in Monrovia this Summer13:28
gaprinho**we're going to build on13:28
jelkneri'll stay with the Supe13:28
jelknerso that even though he is super busy13:28
mulbah07_because base on the type of school you will know the land size to Target13:28
jelkneri can talk with him every day ;-)13:29
jelknerwhile we ride in and ride home13:29
jelknerSome ideas:13:29
jelkner1. Kamal Foundation builds small schools13:29
jelknerso don't think Tubman High13:29
jelknerthat's too big13:29
jelknerthis should be what we call in Arlington "a program" more than a school13:30
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jelknerin other words, a special little school with an ICT focus13:30
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gaprinhosure jeff13:30
jelknerbut everyone who said the community needs to say what they want is on point13:30
jelkner2. Don't forget what Jetro Web development wants!13:31
jelknerthat is part of our "negotiation" with MCSS13:31
gaprinhobecause most of us back home here are lack of ICT13:31
jelknerfkoikoi, it's end of meeting time13:31
fkoikoisure13:31
jelknerlet's continue next week13:31
jelknerand every week13:31
jelknerfor many, many, *many* weeks to come!13:32
dcammue_Have nice day jelkner 13:32
jelkneryou too dcammue_ 13:32
fkoikoiThanks to everyone for their wonderful inputs 13:32
jelknerfkoikoi, you and i will talk at 7 am my time monday, yes?13:32
svayehave a nice day jelkner 13:32
jelkneryou too svaye 13:32
fkoikoi+1 jelkner 13:32
mulbahso what is the size land we want to buy13:33
fkoikoihave a wonderful day everyone13:33
svayeyou too fkoikoi 13:33
mulbahalright13:34
scooper1Thanks Hon. Chair-lady13:34
mulbahACTION singing out13:34
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tboimahACTION signing off13:34
scooper1ACTION signing out till monday13:34
svayeACTION signs off13:36
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