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| jelkner | dcammue, what irc client are you using? | 12:17 |
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| jelkner | dcammue, are you here? | 12:18 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:18 |
| dcammue | How are you comrade | 12:18 |
| jelkner | so, which irc client are you using? | 12:18 |
| jelkner | i'm great comrade, and you? | 12:19 |
| dcammue | Great as well | 12:19 |
| dcammue | This is why I asked to meet with you | 12:19 |
| jelkner | i'm *so thrilled* by the progress we are making!! | 12:19 |
| jelkner | ACTION waits for dcammue to tell me... | 12:20 |
| dcammue | Because as I learned, 5 months from now companies need to file in tax return file | 12:20 |
| jelkner | less than than | 12:20 |
| jelkner | april 15 is the tax deadline here | 12:21 |
| jelkner | lol | 12:21 |
| jelkner | you're right, that's 5 months ;-) | 12:21 |
| dcammue | And I am wondering if I am going do sign I with the IRS before doing the filing | 12:21 |
| jelkner | dcammue, when does jetro move into its office | 12:22 |
| jelkner | if you remember, we were talking about doing some serious investigation of how we could set up a vpn once you have a good network connection | 12:22 |
| dcammue | By December 15 | 12:22 |
| jelkner | 8 days from now | 12:23 |
| jelkner | so monday after our next weekend, yes? | 12:23 |
| jelkner | let's focus on that first | 12:23 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:23 |
| jelkner | since we need to know what our infrastructure is before we can plan how to use it to meet our business needs | 12:23 |
| jelkner | so let's talk about that | 12:24 |
| jelkner | should SJC make another transfer now? | 12:24 |
| jelkner | how are you on funds? | 12:24 |
| jelkner | you're going to have to live within the $15K that is available for at least the next 5 months | 12:25 |
| dcammue | Yes | 12:25 |
| dcammue | The place has two rooms, and a setting room | 12:25 |
| jelkner | $5K has already been disbursed | 12:25 |
| jelkner | that leaves $10 more | 12:25 |
| jelkner | you all need to budget that | 12:25 |
| jelkner | so that you meet your needs | 12:25 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:25 |
| jelkner | that's all we go for awhile | 12:25 |
| jelkner | so we need to plan wisely | 12:25 |
| jelkner | i'll be able to continue with about $1K a month after that, like i did before | 12:26 |
| jelkner | but we need to up that amount soon! | 12:26 |
| jelkner | i'm really happy dcammue | 12:26 |
| jelkner | since we are moving in the right direction | 12:26 |
| jelkner | svaye's work with the business plan is great | 12:27 |
| jelkner | she is thinking about the problem | 12:27 |
| dcammue | Great | 12:27 |
| jelkner | you, she and i (along with the rest of your co-op members) will talk a lot about that during my visit | 12:27 |
| jelkner | for now, i think we need to focus clearly on the steps we need to get there | 12:28 |
| jelkner | so the office is 1st | 12:28 |
| dcammue | Sure | 12:28 |
| jelkner | you should continue investigating how to file non-profit taxes in virgina at the same time | 12:28 |
| jelkner | i started taking notes on that a few years ago | 12:29 |
| jelkner | you and i need to organize that | 12:29 |
| jelkner | i'm getting old, dear comrade | 12:29 |
| dcammue | Yes I am doing both profit and non profit | 12:29 |
| jelkner | i am starting to forget where i put things :-( | 12:29 |
| dcammue | Lol | 12:29 |
| jelkner | so i need to dig through the git repos i have, find what i've got, and share it with you | 12:29 |
| jelkner | then we need to organize it better so we can save time moving forward | 12:30 |
| dcammue | OK | 12:30 |
| jelkner | let's keep using thomasboimah's ToDo app | 12:30 |
| jelkner | i like that | 12:30 |
| jelkner | especially now that the devs are all learning from it and hacking on it | 12:31 |
| jelkner | assign me the task of getting you urls for va tax notes | 12:31 |
| jelkner | make the due date next saturday | 12:31 |
| dcammue | OK | 12:32 |
| jelkner | (i'll get it done well before that, but that's a nice due date) | 12:32 |
| jelkner | so, last question | 12:32 |
| dcammue | OK comrade | 12:32 |
| jelkner | should we make another transfer now? | 12:32 |
| dcammue | No | 12:32 |
| jelkner | ok, you let me know when | 12:32 |
| dcammue | Next month ends | 12:32 |
| jelkner | so you have enough to cover basic furniture for the office? | 12:33 |
| jelkner | you sent me a list, can you handle those items now? | 12:33 |
| dcammue | Oh, then we will need a transfer | 12:35 |
| dcammue | Oh, then we will need a transfer | 12:35 |
| jelkner | that's what i thought | 12:35 |
| jelkner | that's why i'm bringing it up | 12:35 |
| jelkner | i figured there was a misunderstanding | 12:36 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:36 |
| jelkner | ouch, that will hurt a bit :-( | 12:36 |
| dcammue | You are right | 12:36 |
| jelkner | you were thinking supplies and such could come from another income source | 12:36 |
| jelkner | i'm afraid there is no other income source | 12:36 |
| jelkner | i've given all i can give for now | 12:37 |
| jelkner | i had to spend a lot of money on plane ticket to liberia, etc. | 12:37 |
| jelkner | so we need to live within the resources we have | 12:37 |
| jelkner | until we can generate more resources | 12:37 |
| jelkner | so let's really think about that | 12:37 |
| jelkner | i'm hoping that before too long we can start marketing the dango dev team | 12:38 |
| jelkner | after talking with kei yesterday, i'm thinking we might be able to pay janet for work she could do on our decidim | 12:38 |
| jelkner | if she can really do it, that would be awesome | 12:38 |
| jelkner | since she is available full time | 12:39 |
| jelkner | and klarios is not | 12:39 |
| jelkner | kei needs to earn a living | 12:39 |
| jelkner | and she is doing that now with Magic Broom | 12:39 |
| jelkner | i'll start the next $5K transfer tomorrow | 12:40 |
| dcammue | Yes, the reason I said you should do another transfer is that need to buy those materials for the office. And we only has January paid for the staff. So there is need to do a transfer | 12:40 |
| dcammue | OK, thanks. | 12:40 |
| jelkner | yup, i get it | 12:40 |
| dcammue | +1 jkollie is really doing great | 12:40 |
| jelkner | she sure is | 12:40 |
| dcammue | And she showing her skills | 12:41 |
| jelkner | she figured this out on her own | 12:41 |
| jelkner | and took a lot of initiative | 12:41 |
| dcammue | Great | 12:41 |
| jelkner | she identified an area where she could tell we would need support | 12:41 |
| jelkner | and then without anyone telling her, she said to herself, "i can do that!" | 12:41 |
| jelkner | i can't tell you how happy that makes me! | 12:42 |
| dcammue | Then in that case, I don't think there is need ti distract her by moving her to different field | 12:42 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:42 |
| dcammue | Let her focus | 12:42 |
| jelkner | i was thinking there wouldn't be enough work, but kei told me yesterday i was wrong about that | 12:43 |
| jelkner | so i agree with you | 12:43 |
| dcammue | And be the expert of decidim | 12:43 |
| jelkner | we need to get this decidim thing right | 12:43 |
| jelkner | and if she can help us, that will be amazing | 12:43 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:43 |
| jelkner | ok, anything else before i go? | 12:43 |
| jelkner | oh wait, one more thing just fyi | 12:44 |
| dcammue | So by tomorrow, I will go the the office and make some diagram | 12:44 |
| dcammue | For you | 12:44 |
| jelkner | nice! | 12:44 |
| dcammue | So you can have a clear picture of the place | 12:44 |
| jelkner | yup | 12:44 |
| jelkner | take pictures too | 12:44 |
| jelkner | if you can | 12:45 |
| dcammue | ++ | 12:45 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:45 |
| jelkner | dcammue, let me give you an update on how i'm teaching basic bookkeeping in my class | 12:45 |
| jelkner | since i've never done this before, i'm figuring it out as i go | 12:45 |
| jelkner | it's a lot of fun | 12:46 |
| dcammue | OK | 12:46 |
| jelkner | especially since my students are so wonderful | 12:46 |
| dcammue | ACTION listening | 12:46 |
| jelkner | i told them in the beginning, "i have no idea what i'm doing, but i promise to work hard to figure it out" | 12:46 |
| jelkner | so, we want to learn gnucash | 12:46 |
| jelkner | and we need a way to make it easy to really understand | 12:47 |
| jelkner | since we are using The Accounting Game as our resource | 12:47 |
| jelkner | (we're starting chapter 2 in that, btw) | 12:47 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:47 |
| jelkner | we decided that tomorrow we would go back over chapter one | 12:47 |
| jelkner | and enter each transaction from the story into gnucash as it happends | 12:48 |
| jelkner | happens | 12:48 |
| jelkner | https://ict.gracehopper.center/f25/courses/entrepreneurship/goals/week14.html | 12:48 |
| jelkner | i put the accounting equation | 12:48 |
| jelkner | with the 5 top level accounts | 12:48 |
| jelkner | we created only those accounts in gnucash | 12:49 |
| jelkner | gnucash has types for each of those | 12:49 |
| jelkner | then we'll go back to the beginning of the story | 12:49 |
| jelkner | when the boy breaks open his piggy bank and starts with $5 in equity | 12:50 |
| jelkner | we will create a cash account under assets | 12:50 |
| jelkner | and, i think, an account with his name? under equity | 12:51 |
| jelkner | and have $5 in each | 12:51 |
| jelkner | this is where we can really learn this stuff | 12:51 |
| jelkner | since we need to do the same thing for jetro, right? | 12:51 |
| dcammue | Nice teaching method, theory and practical is the best way for students to learn real world issues. | 12:51 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:51 |
| jelkner | you can help me with that | 12:51 |
| jelkner | so when SJC makes the $5K transfer, how does it go in Jetro's books? | 12:52 |
| dcammue | The account under equity? | 12:52 |
| jelkner | so this is what i don't understand | 12:52 |
| dcammue | It go to jetroweb as revenue | 12:53 |
| jelkner | on the left hand side, it will be under the bank account under the top level asset account | 12:53 |
| dcammue | But a grant under revenue | 12:53 |
| dcammue | First it appears in the checking account | 12:54 |
| jelkner | this all gets very complicated without experience | 12:54 |
| jelkner | and on the other side? | 12:54 |
| dcammue | And the correspond to the revenue | 12:54 |
| jelkner | where does it go? | 12:54 |
| dcammue | Account | 12:54 |
| jelkner | ok | 12:54 |
| dcammue | If sjc do a transfer | 12:54 |
| jelkner | i'll understand this better months from now when we've practiced with it. | 12:55 |
| dcammue | Jetroweb received it in her checking account | 12:55 |
| jelkner | last thing, before i go | 12:55 |
| dcammue | And a corresponding account | 12:55 |
| jelkner | you didn't answer my question about which irc client you use? | 12:55 |
| dcammue | Which is revenue | 12:55 |
| dcammue | Because it will be use to paid salaries | 12:56 |
| jelkner | which top level account does revenue come under? | 12:56 |
| dcammue | Equity | 12:56 |
| jelkner | ok | 12:57 |
| jelkner | let's talk more about this later | 12:57 |
| jelkner | which irc client do you use? | 12:57 |
| dcammue | What you mean client | 12:57 |
| dcammue | ? | 12:58 |
| jelkner | we are chatting now on OFTC's IRC (Internet Relay Chat) server | 12:58 |
| jelkner | to connect to the server | 12:58 |
| jelkner | you need a client | 12:58 |
| jelkner | i use hexchat | 12:58 |
| jelkner | that's my irc client | 12:58 |
| jelkner | and a good one, too! ;-) | 12:59 |
| jelkner | what are you using? | 12:59 |
| dcammue | I am using my phone. So I use irc mobile app | 12:59 |
| jelkner | ah, ok | 12:59 |
| jelkner | the reason i'm asking | 12:59 |
| jelkner | is that once you all get into the office | 12:59 |
| jelkner | we will want to keep improving your computer skills | 13:00 |
| jelkner | i notice that you are dcammue here, but dcammue_ on #novawebdev | 13:00 |
| dcammue | Yes | 13:00 |
| jelkner | and you aren't on #sjcompute at all | 13:00 |
| jelkner | when i launch hexchat | 13:00 |
| dcammue | Yes | 13:00 |
| jelkner | it joins me to all three of those (as jelkner) automatically | 13:01 |
| dcammue | Hexchat allows one username | 13:01 |
| dcammue | But not the mobile app | 13:01 |
| jelkner | i bet all the clients do | 13:01 |
| jelkner | i just don't know how to configure a mobile app that i'm not familiar with | 13:02 |
| jelkner | i'm going to file a ToDo item for thomasboimah | 13:02 |
| jelkner | about improving our irc usage skills this week | 13:02 |
| dcammue | Okay | 13:02 |
| jelkner | it would help if you all standardized on only a few clients | 13:03 |
| jelkner | on linux desktops, hexchat is the clear choice | 13:03 |
| dcammue | Will you meet me later to talk about the account clarity? | 13:03 |
| jelkner | i don't understand | 13:03 |
| dcammue | Yes | 13:03 |
| dcammue | We all use hexchat on our machines | 13:04 |
| jelkner | but on android you use something else | 13:04 |
| jelkner | there are so many choices | 13:04 |
| jelkner | here is something else i'll want to teach you | 13:05 |
| dcammue | I mean, will you meet me to make you understand the top level accounts and the subaccount? | 13:05 |
| jelkner | as part of the "cutting the cord" effort | 13:05 |
| jelkner | dcammue, i think we done all we can on accounts for now | 13:05 |
| dcammue | OK | 13:05 |
| jelkner | i'm old, in need to move slooooowly ;-) | 13:05 |
| jelkner | step-by-step | 13:05 |
| dcammue | OK | 13:06 |
| dcammue | :-) | 13:06 |
| jelkner | i'm going to go through the accounting game with my students | 13:06 |
| jelkner | and enter all transactions into gnucash | 13:06 |
| jelkner | a lot of questions will become clearer by doing that | 13:06 |
| dcammue | Nice | 13:06 |
| jelkner | then i'll try to apply what i learn to nova, jetro, and sjc (and secosol) accounts | 13:07 |
| jelkner | working with you and asking questions | 13:07 |
| jelkner | this will take time | 13:07 |
| jelkner | but i'll keep at it! ;-) | 13:07 |
| dcammue | +1 | 13:07 |
| jelkner | so back to the irc conversation before i go | 13:07 |
| dcammue | OK | 13:08 |
| jelkner | i only use the free version of android on my phone | 13:08 |
| jelkner | but it is basically android | 13:08 |
| jelkner | i'll show you when i come there | 13:08 |
| dcammue | Nice | 13:08 |
| jelkner | and bring you a few phones to try it out on | 13:08 |
| jelkner | https://e.foundation/e-os/ | 13:08 |
| jelkner | on android or on /e/os | 13:09 |
| jelkner | here's what to do to begin "cutting the cord" | 13:09 |
| jelkner | whenever you need an app, your first place to look should be here: | 13:09 |
| jelkner | https://f-droid.org/en/ | 13:10 |
| jelkner | All you android users should install the F-Droid app | 13:10 |
| dcammue | Okay | 13:11 |
| jelkner | then when we need an app, for irc for example, we can start there | 13:11 |
| jelkner | since all the apps there are completely free software | 13:12 |
| jelkner | a search for irc gives a list: | 13:12 |
| jelkner | https://search.f-droid.org/?q=irc&lang=en | 13:12 |
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| jelkner | i've looked into this before | 13:12 |
| dcammue | Great | 13:12 |
| jelkner | i think this one is the best: | 13:13 |
| jelkner | https://f-droid.org/en/packages/io.mrarm.irc/ | 13:13 |
| jelkner | (i also love the name ;-) | 13:13 |
| jelkner | i have that one on my phone | 13:13 |
| jelkner | but i tend to use my desktop more than my phone | 13:13 |
| jelkner | (like i keep saying, i'm old, and my eyes don't work as well as they used too ;-) | 13:14 |
| jelkner | s/too/to | 13:14 |
| dcammue | So how do I use this platform by typing in the app names that I want? | 13:14 |
| jelkner | you need to install the F-Droid app on your phone | 13:15 |
| jelkner | and then you can install the apps using that | 13:15 |
| dcammue | OK | 13:15 |
| jelkner | i think the F-Droid app is available on Google Play | 13:15 |
| jelkner | i don't have Google Play, so i can't check | 13:15 |
| jelkner | on my phone i just downloaded the .apk file and installed it | 13:16 |
| dcammue | Great | 13:16 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah could help you with that | 13:16 |
| jelkner | then let's see how Revolution IRC works | 13:16 |
| jelkner | and if y'all like it | 13:16 |
| dcammue | OK | 13:16 |
| jelkner | it will help if you standardize apps within Jetro to a degree | 13:16 |
| jelkner | so you can help each other become power users easier | 13:17 |
| dcammue | Nice tip | 13:17 |
| jelkner | okie dokie, i have *a lot* to do | 13:17 |
| jelkner | see you tomorrow at this 12 noon UTC on this very channel | 13:18 |
| jelkner | don't forget to assign me my ToDo tasks | 13:18 |
| jelkner | add "Make the next wire transfer" | 13:18 |
| dcammue | Okay comrade | 13:18 |
| jelkner | and i'll do it tomorrow ;-) | 13:18 |
| jelkner | see you then comrade | 13:18 |
| jelkner | great chatting with you! | 13:19 |
| dcammue | You too | 13:19 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off until tomorrow | 13:19 |
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