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| svaye | Good morning jelkner | 10:59 |
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| jelkner | Yesterday i did too many things to report! ;-) Jetro ed planning, dealing with ARTraffic application not working, planning for NoVASEN meeting, planning for DNOVA Council meeting today, etc. Today i will attend the DNOVA Council meeting. Blocking a bit on knowing who is in for what at Jetro Web development. | 11:00 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 11:00 |
| fkoikoi | Good morning jelkner | 11:00 |
| thomasboimah | On Wednesday, I guided Gabriel in setting up fkoikoi and jkollie on webschool.sjcompute.org and took my UoPeople graded quiz. Today, I will be visiting the Django documentation since it’s been a few days since I last visited it, while also preparing for my work session with zOnny tomorrow. No blockers. | 11:00 |
| jelkner | Good morning all | 11:00 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION done | 11:00 |
| jelkner | dcammue, can we follow up on our conversation from yesterday? | 11:01 |
| svaye | I have not been well and wasn't able to work, but now am better than last week. I learned about the html study group and I am interested in being apart. No blockers | 11:01 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner not to forget congratulations on your nomination for the Virginia Computer | 11:01 |
| thomasboimah | Science Teacher of the Year award. | 11:01 |
| jelkner | Thanks thomasboimah, but i have to say that i'm not really big on awards, and it's yet another thing i have to deal with on my already overfull ToDo list | 11:02 |
| jelkner | yesterday was very stressful for me | 11:02 |
| dcammue | yesterday, i tried cloning my repo into my home directory on the weschool server, but had a blocker, and thomasboimah helped this morning. today, i will let to make some clarity on jetroweb members stipend | 11:02 |
| dcammue | ACTION done | 11:02 |
| jelkner | we have an outage at ARTraffic | 11:02 |
| dcammue | yes | 11:03 |
| dcammue | let | 11:03 |
| jelkner | the only professional level contract NOVA Web has | 11:03 |
| dcammue | let | 11:03 |
| gabriel_jetro | Greetings jelkner and everyone, yesterday I continue my she'll study. Today I work on adding svaye account to the server from thomasboimah guidance day before yesterday. There's no blocker now | 11:03 |
| dcammue | let's move | 11:03 |
| gabriel_jetro | ACTION done | 11:03 |
| fkoikoi | yesterday i started module 4 of the edube.org, and started the html. css and php sesion that jelkner is teaching and today I plan to complete module 4. | 11:03 |
| jelkner | and it just brings home to me the challenge we face | 11:03 |
| fkoikoi | ACTION done | 11:03 |
| jelkner | we need to become pros | 11:03 |
| jelkner | fairly soon | 11:03 |
| jelkner | we're moving in the right direction | 11:03 |
| jelkner | but my fear is we won't get there fast enough to keep from having our project collapse | 11:04 |
| jelkner | dear friends, i really need to ask you at jetro to step up now | 11:04 |
| jelkner | i know i can depend on thomasboimah and dcammue to be there | 11:05 |
| jelkner | but many of you come and go | 11:05 |
| jelkner | and i never know when | 11:05 |
| jelkner | that makes it impossible to plan | 11:05 |
| jelkner | and increases my stress | 11:05 |
| jelkner | since i'm always trying to figure out what to do | 11:05 |
| jelkner | and planning is *very* hard when you don't know what the parameters are | 11:06 |
| jelkner | that's why i want to talk seriously about this stipend | 11:06 |
| jelkner | i'm not sure how to do this | 11:06 |
| jelkner | we are figuring this out as we go | 11:06 |
| dcammue | okay, jelkner | 11:06 |
| dcammue | can i make some clarity here | 11:06 |
| jelkner | please | 11:06 |
| dcammue | okay | 11:07 |
| dcammue | thanks for the time, for the past time, since we move to jetro office | 11:07 |
| dcammue | we have been giving stipend to jetro folks for transportation | 11:08 |
| dcammue | the amount is 100 dollars per month | 11:08 |
| dcammue | so that they can enrich themselves to get to the office | 11:09 |
| dcammue | it has been three months now. so if you want to do a stipend | 11:09 |
| dcammue | that could be extract money added to the stipend jetro provides | 11:10 |
| dcammue | ACTION done | 11:10 |
| jelkner | dcammue, at this point, i need for you to become more and more a partner | 11:10 |
| jelkner | i don't know what to do | 11:10 |
| jelkner | you know better than me | 11:10 |
| jelkner | since you are there on the ground | 11:10 |
| jelkner | and i am far away | 11:11 |
| jelkner | what i want is: | 11:11 |
| jelkner | 1. To know who i can count on to show up regularly and do what they say they will do | 11:11 |
| jelkner | 2. To work with the committed Jetro members *as colleagues* to move our project forward | 11:12 |
| jelkner | it is a process, i understand that well | 11:12 |
| jelkner | but we are under time pressure, and we need to move forward with all deliberate effort | 11:13 |
| jelkner | dcammue, what i desperately need from you is a GnuCash bookkeeping of Jetro Web's business | 11:13 |
| jelkner | i think that now that we have the webschool server set up | 11:14 |
| jelkner | running trixie | 11:14 |
| jelkner | we can use that for our postgresql backends to GnuCash | 11:14 |
| dcammue | sure | 11:14 |
| jelkner | you should prepare the books for January and February 2026 | 11:14 |
| jelkner | and you, thomasboimah, and i (and svaye if she is in), should meet once a month to go over the budget and make financial plans | 11:15 |
| dcammue | but i need to close the book for 2025 | 11:15 |
| dcammue | and i need you to look at it | 11:15 |
| jelkner | you need to do that for Liberian government, not for me | 11:15 |
| dcammue | before doing that | 11:15 |
| svaye | I am in jelkner | 11:15 |
| jelkner | i need to plan | 11:15 |
| jelkner | well, svaye, we are blocking | 11:16 |
| jelkner | SJC is committed to $5K more from the grant it gave you last year | 11:16 |
| jelkner | but i will argue against sending that until you have your bookkeeping in order | 11:16 |
| jelkner | we are making great progress | 11:17 |
| jelkner | jkollie is now president of the SJC board | 11:17 |
| jelkner | so she will be directly involved in funding Jetro Web | 11:17 |
| jelkner | she has a lot to learn | 11:17 |
| jkollie | +1 jelkner | 11:17 |
| jelkner | but if she works hard, a year from now she will really be in a position to lead SJC | 11:17 |
| jelkner | ok, so, there are two immediate things we need to determine: | 11:18 |
| jelkner | 1. Who is going to participate in the ITD 110 class? | 11:18 |
| jelkner | 2. How are we going to keep them accountable? | 11:18 |
| jelkner | 2 is so important! I am already super overextended | 11:19 |
| jelkner | i can't afford to put in time planning this class if people don't show | 11:19 |
| jelkner | or do their homework | 11:19 |
| jelkner | so, we need to figure that out | 11:20 |
| jelkner | right now we have jkollie, fkoikoi, dcammue, and svaye says she wants to join | 11:20 |
| jelkner | svaye, can you commit to showing up? | 11:20 |
| svaye | +1 | 11:20 |
| jelkner | ok, dcammue what do we do if people don't show? | 11:21 |
| jelkner | it is easy to say you will be responsible, but it is *much* more challenging to actually do it! | 11:21 |
| dcammue | withhold the salary for the next month | 11:21 |
| jelkner | i need you all to decide that together | 11:22 |
| dcammue | like, the stipend | 11:22 |
| jelkner | but leadership is important, so i will be putting the stress on dear dcammue if y'all don't step up | 11:22 |
| jelkner | because i know he will be here | 11:22 |
| jelkner | day after day, week after week | 11:22 |
| jelkner | that's what we need | 11:23 |
| jelkner | but sometimes, and it doesn't seem fair, but it is the reality, the blame will fall on him for the failings of others | 11:23 |
| dcammue | if you want to work with people and you are making effort to encourage them, you need to be straight with them | 11:23 |
| jelkner | because he is there, and they aren't :-( | 11:23 |
| dcammue | give them the rubric | 11:23 |
| jelkner | well, you and i need to figure that out dcammue | 11:24 |
| dcammue | and if not meet with the rubric, you out or bear the penity | 11:24 |
| jelkner | the rubric i was thinking about was the payment rubric | 11:24 |
| jelkner | in other words, it is part of your budgeting | 11:24 |
| jelkner | this is really a great opportunity to learn lessons about how to do this well | 11:25 |
| jelkner | it is an art, not a science | 11:25 |
| dcammue | yes, for example, jkollie, shows two times a week, and was to show up three time the rubric should be the one to tell jkollie, what she need to get at the end of that week | 11:25 |
| jelkner | people should be rewarded (and thus incentivized) for following through | 11:26 |
| jelkner | and disincentived for not doing that | 11:26 |
| jelkner | but you need to think about the "payment rubric" carefully | 11:26 |
| jelkner | you said a month | 11:26 |
| jelkner | that's a long time | 11:27 |
| jelkner | so, if jelkner fails to show to one class, he looses his whole month stipend? | 11:27 |
| dcammue | no | 11:27 |
| jelkner | wow, that doesn't sound like it will work | 11:27 |
| dcammue | not htat | 11:27 |
| dcammue | that | 11:27 |
| dcammue | i mean, if jelkner loose one class, his money should be cut | 11:28 |
| dcammue | like, $3 | 11:28 |
| jelkner | ok, much better | 11:28 |
| jelkner | ok, here's the deal | 11:28 |
| jelkner | it will be my job to plan lessons | 11:28 |
| jelkner | dcammue, it will be your job to get your people there | 11:28 |
| jelkner | not mine | 11:28 |
| jelkner | but if they don't show, i'll be holding you accountable | 11:29 |
| jelkner | by which i mean all of jetro | 11:29 |
| dcammue | sure | 11:29 |
| jelkner | since i want future revenue from SJC to Jetro to be for work delivered | 11:30 |
| dcammue | that's why i am asking them to think this through well | 11:30 |
| jelkner | "work" in this case includes proof of training | 11:30 |
| jelkner | it's still fine with SJC if Jetro members get paid for training | 11:30 |
| jelkner | as long as we have accountability | 11:31 |
| jelkner | we have concrete evidence they are actually learning | 11:31 |
| jelkner | and their skills are increasing | 11:31 |
| jelkner | and we can depend on them to do useful work for the organization | 11:31 |
| jelkner | after they complete their training | 11:32 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 11:32 |
| jelkner | i have to go to the DNOVA Council meeting | 11:32 |
| dcammue | +1 | 11:32 |
| jelkner | so i'll need to leave soon | 11:32 |
| dcammue | so let make it clear, is jelkner taking the initiative to pay his students stipend apart form what jetro is providing? | 11:32 |
| jelkner | no | 11:33 |
| jelkner | this is all one project dcammue | 11:33 |
| dcammue | all in the $100 right? | 11:33 |
| jelkner | that is really for you to tell me, my friend | 11:33 |
| jelkner | you need to talk the rest of the members | 11:34 |
| jelkner | what do the students feel they need to be able to participate? | 11:34 |
| jelkner | transportation yes, but what about food? what about other expenses? | 11:34 |
| jelkner | you can manage the payments as part of your budget | 11:35 |
| jelkner | and it will show up on your books | 11:35 |
| jelkner | so we can track it | 11:35 |
| jelkner | and learn from the data what people need | 11:35 |
| jelkner | i'm just going to ask the SJC board to make $5K transfers to your bank periodically | 11:35 |
| jelkner | you need to learn to account for the spending | 11:36 |
| jelkner | so you can report to us at SJC where our money went | 11:36 |
| jelkner | i want to see everything in GnuCash | 11:36 |
| jelkner | Assets = Liabilities + Equity | 11:36 |
| jelkner | lol | 11:36 |
| jelkner | everything should be in balance | 11:37 |
| jelkner | dcammue, if this is a bit confusing, it's because i'm thinking out loud | 11:37 |
| jelkner | and probably contradicting myself | 11:37 |
| jelkner | which is *very* confusing, i know | 11:37 |
| jelkner | so let's try to simplify | 11:38 |
| jelkner | what does Jetro need to continue in business? Regular revenue | 11:38 |
| jelkner | right | 11:38 |
| dcammue | +1\ | 11:38 |
| dcammue | =1 | 11:38 |
| dcammue | +1 | 11:39 |
| jelkner | What does SJC need? Evidence that it is fulfilling it's mission to use information technology for social justice | 11:39 |
| dcammue | and that's the book | 11:39 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:39 |
| jelkner | you got it my friend! | 11:39 |
| jelkner | ok, gotta go | 11:40 |
| dcammue | so it will be better to add the stipend you proposed to their jetro stipend, which will be $10 per week*4 = $40 plus the $100, which will = $140. according to the students. | 11:40 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner: do you think I should be joining the RABT meeting or I should let that be for now and keep on focusing on our other leg (Django web development) | 11:40 |
| jelkner | see you tomorrow at the same time on the #novawebdev channel with zOnny | 11:40 |
| jelkner | oops | 11:40 |
| jelkner | good question thomasboimah | 11:40 |
| jelkner | dcammue, you tell me, you don't need my approval | 11:41 |
| jelkner | just the agreement of your members | 11:41 |
| jelkner | my main concern is getting you overextended thomasboimah | 11:41 |
| jelkner | for now, i don't think you need to attend RABT team meetings | 11:42 |
| jelkner | though if you want to, you are certainly welcome | 11:42 |
| jelkner | do you think you get anything out of them? | 11:42 |
| thomasboimah | Not really | 11:43 |
| jelkner | well then it's a no brainer | 11:43 |
| jelkner | don't come | 11:43 |
| jelkner | that was easy | 11:43 |
| thomasboimah | You are right, for now | 11:44 |
| jelkner | in the long run, the potential benefit is you get to understand the dynamics better of the folks we are working with here in Virginia | 11:44 |
| jelkner | since they will hopefully be your customers in the future | 11:44 |
| jelkner | understanding them will be important for Jetro | 11:45 |
| jelkner | but not for you in particular, thomasboimah | 11:45 |
| jelkner | it is really the business team that will deal with customer relations | 11:45 |
| thomasboimah | Got you | 11:45 |
| jelkner | you will deal with customers when you solve their tech problems, and charge them for it! | 11:46 |
| dcammue | +1 | 11:46 |
| jelkner | your marketing team needs to understand them better, and the world they inhabit | 11:46 |
| jelkner | in order to develop your business plan | 11:46 |
| jelkner | but we have dcammue, jkollie and svaye on that | 11:47 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner: can you give me a bit of gist about the progress of decidim | 11:47 |
| jelkner | in brief | 11:47 |
| jelkner | We have a meeting next week with Next System | 11:47 |
| jelkner | they are planning for global Teach-ins in April 2027 | 11:48 |
| jelkner | a little over a year from now | 11:48 |
| jelkner | they want to use Decidim to organize the Teach-ins | 11:48 |
| jelkner | they are considering hiring NOVA Web to provide that | 11:48 |
| jelkner | if they do, it will be our first paying customer | 11:48 |
| jelkner | NoVASEN isn't really a paying customer | 11:49 |
| jelkner | since i'm paying ;-) | 11:49 |
| jelkner | it is a very important experiment | 11:49 |
| thomasboimah | ;_) | 11:49 |
| jelkner | since we can't market ourselves as Decidim support providers if we can't provide Decidim support!!! | 11:49 |
| jelkner | our partnership with Octree makes it possible for us to realistically think we can be ready to do this more broadly in the not too distant future | 11:50 |
| jelkner | i have to go | 11:50 |
| dcammue | okay, see you jelkner on tomorrow, have nice day! | 11:50 |
| mulbah | Good morning to all I miss calculated the meeting time | 11:50 |
| jelkner | but dcammue, please ask our friend mulbah here how he wants to relate to the coop | 11:51 |
| mulbah | I'm sorry I late | 11:51 |
| dcammue | mulbah, how do you want to do this | 11:51 |
| dcammue | in and out? | 11:51 |
| jelkner | see you later? | 11:51 |
| svaye | Have a wonderful day jelkner | 11:51 |
| jelkner | thanks all! | 11:51 |
| jelkner | you too svaye | 11:51 |
| fkoikoi | same jelkner | 11:51 |
| dcammue | or just get lost at one? | 11:51 |
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| mulbah | do what | 11:51 |
| dcammue | how you want to work with jetro | 11:52 |
| mulbah | The same way I been working | 11:52 |
| dcammue | as a visitor or regular participant | 11:53 |
| gabriel_jetro | mulbah: u need to be active online that's all since you don't have the chance to come here | 11:53 |
| mulbah | I can be online almost all the time it's just this gone meeting and today I miss the time | 11:53 |
| mulbah | dcammue regular of course | 11:54 |
| dcammue | since you want to work with jetro the same way you been working, you need to tell jeff what you are doing | 11:54 |
| gabriel_jetro | Jeff seriously need you actively mulbah you need to track the time and participate | 11:54 |
| mulbah | I will do that I plan to be in the developer meeting tomorrow seh | 11:55 |
| gabriel_jetro | Okay you need to | 11:56 |
| mulbah | I did some update on the site and create a PR on the github repository | 11:57 |
| thomasboimah | Okay thanks | 11:57 |
| thomasboimah | Okay thanks | 11:57 |
| gabriel_jetro | Jeff is stressing on I and you mulbah for me it's | 11:57 |
| dcammue | mulbah, just show up that all | 11:58 |
| dcammue | but you are not regular in showing up | 11:58 |
| dcammue | that the problem | 11:58 |
| mulbah | I been online it's just that I don't report that why jeff don't really notice me | 11:59 |
| mulbah | "I can be" | 11:59 |
| gabriel_jetro | Sure mane you need to report | 12:00 |
| mulbah | I will do | 12:01 |
| mulbah | will you be in the meeting tomorrow | 12:01 |
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| gabriel_jetro | I might I want to credit to come online tomorrow | 12:02 |
| mulbah | okay bro | 12:03 |
| mulbah | what you and thomasboimah working on now | 12:03 |
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| gabriel_jetro | Nothing much mulbah we were just setting user for the web team class on the server | 12:06 |
| mulbah | oh okay | 12:06 |
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| Gabriel | Hi Penrosian_ | 12:42 |
| Penrosian_ | oh wait I forgot to close hexchat again lol | 12:43 |
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| shallon | https://codeberg.org/klarios/Business_Management/src/branch/main/jetroweb.md | 14:07 |
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