IRC log of #jetrowebdev for Thursday, 2026-04-09

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dcammueGood morning comrade 10:56
jelknerGood morning comrade!10:57
jelkneri just accepted the pull request10:57
dcammueOkay thanks 10:57
jelknerthis is amazing, dcammue!10:58
jelknerwe are getting to a great place10:59
dcammueYeah 10:59
jelknerour skills are growing, and our workflow is improving10:59
jelknerit is a real pleasure to work with you in this php class my friend!10:59
dcammueLol10:59
jelkneras we discussed, i'll be responsible for next tuesday's lesson (session08)11:00
jelknerwe can use that opportunity to introduce a little server side programming with php11:00
jelknerjust a little11:00
dcammueOkay 11:00
jelknerso the idea of what it is starts to become clear11:00
dcammueYes 11:01
jelknerok, let me get back to planning for today11:01
jelkneri'll see you in class, and thanks again!!11:02
jelknerACTION signs off until class11:02
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thomasboimahdcammue, 14:39
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dcammuethomasboimah: 15:14
dcammuejkollie: 15:14
thomasboimahYES YOU WAS calling me15:14
dcammuePlease check the php calendar 15:14
jkollieDcamme 15:14
dcammueI am wondering because I am not seeing the session mapped 15:15
thomasboimahsend the url15:16
dcammuehttps://ict.gracehopper.center/s26/courses/php15:17
thomasboimahDid Jeff merge your pull request?15:17
thomasboimahto the main branch15:17
dcammueHe said he did 15:17
thomasboimahBut i am seeing section 0715:18
thomasboimahThat is your lesson today right?15:18
dcammueYes15:18
dcammueOn the calendar?15:18
thomasboimahyes15:18
dcammueSend the direct link from the calendar 15:18
dcammuePlease 15:19
thomasboimahhttps://ict.gracehopper.center/s26/courses/php/goals/session.html?num=0715:19
dcammueMaybe I am viewing it from my phone that's why15:19
dcammueThanks 15:19
dcammueMy heart come down now15:20
dcammue:-)15:20
thomasboimahlol15:20
thomasboimahdcammue, 15:20
dcammueI was kindy worried 15:21
dcammueBut Jeff was happy 15:21
dcammueSo I got confused 15:21
dcammueHow I can not see the lesson on the calendar but Jeff is happy about it 15:21
dcammueYes thomasboimah 15:21
thomasboimahBut the session_07 topic is Link, introduce recipe project, But your note is about CSS15:22
thomasboimahI just asking is that how your lesson work15:23
dcammueBut the link was discussed in module 2, and table15:25
thomasboimahgot you15:25
dcammueAnyway, we will recap on it15:25
dcammuejkollie: 15:25
dcammueYou at the office?15:26
jkollieYes dcammue 15:26
dcammueOkay, please off the router and my computer when you are done15:27
jkollieam aware of that 15:28
jkollieAren't you returning to the office dcammue ?15:28
dcammueI will but it will be late 15:29
dcammueSo just off everything 15:29
jkollieOkay 15:29
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fkoikoi__Hi jelkner 15:35
dcammueHello kthomas 15:35
fkoikoi__hello kthomas 15:35
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kthomashello15:36
dcammueGreat 15:36
dcammuejelkner: 15:36
jkolliedcammue: 15:40
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dcammueSorry, I dropped off15:41
dcammueGreeting everyone 15:41
fkoikoi__hi dcammue 15:42
jkollieGreetings 15:42
dcammuekthomas: can you please ask jelkner if he wants to say something before we begin?15:43
jelknerNo dcammue, it's all yours15:43
dcammueOkay chief15:43
dcammueOkie dokie,  15:44
dcammueLet move on then15:44
dcammueWelcome again to our class as usual 15:44
dcammueFirstly, who all did their assignment?15:44
fkoikoi__I did15:45
jkollieI did 15:45
kthomasi started it but i was confused as how to structure the table15:45
dcammueOkay 15:46
fkoikoi__where exactly did you got stuck kthomas??15:46
dcammueI will help you. But let finish with the class today. 15:47
kthomasok15:47
dcammueShe said how to structure the table fkoikoi15:47
fkoikoi__okay, I wanted to help that's why i asked but it's okay15:48
dcammueFkoikoi and jkollie 15:48
fkoikoi__yes15:48
dcammueDid you guys did it15:48
jkollieYes 15:48
fkoikoi__+115:48
jkollieI did check my site15:48
dcammueOkay 15:49
fkoikoi__you can check my site, I posted it15:49
dcammueYou guys understood link right?15:49
dcammueWho did not get it clear about link in module 2?15:49
jelknerdcammue: kthomas had a question for me about tables15:49
jelkneri told her to ask you15:50
jelknerplease help her15:50
dcammueI will help her. 15:50
dcammueShe did ask me15:50
jelknernice!15:50
dcammueSo, since kthomas has issue with table, let me help her why fkoikoi__  and jkollie goes read today's lesson 15:52
dcammueKthomas 15:52
kthomasyes15:52
jkollieAlright 15:52
dcammuePlease get to Vscode 15:52
kthomasok15:52
dcammueOr any text editor 15:53
jkollieACTION going to read today lesson again 15:53
fkoikoi__dcammue, hyperlink is in module 3 not 215:53
fkoikoi__ACTION done reading today's lesson15:54
dcammueHmmm, I might be getting it wrong 15:55
dcammueThanks fkoikoi_15:55
dcammueKthomas are you there?15:55
kthomasyes15:56
dcammueOf you public folder in vscode15:56
kthomasok15:56
dcammuePlease let me know when you done15:57
jkollieACTION is back 15:57
kthomasok im here15:57
dcammueWhat field you want to put your table in?15:58
kthomaswhat do you mean15:58
dcammueIndex.html file or which one?15:58
kthomasoh im sorry15:59
kthomasindex.html file15:59
dcammueOkay 15:59
dcammueLook at the left side of the Vscode window that you opened. 16:00
dcammueYou should see your folder name 16:00
kthomasyes16:01
dcammueOpen the folder and open index files 16:01
dcammue*file16:01
kthomasi just named my file index.html was that ok16:02
dcammueYes 16:03
kthomasok16:03
dcammueWait 16:03
dcammueNew file?16:03
kthomasyes16:03
dcammueThat's mean you have two index files?16:03
dcammueNo, that's wrong 16:04
kthomasoh16:04
kthomaswhy16:04
kthomaswas i supposed to work in a preexisting index.html file16:04
dcammueYou can use you old index file to place your table 16:04
jkolliekthomas: you can create a file name table.html for the table and link it inside your index.html file16:04
dcammueYes 16:04
dcammueJust rename it16:05
kthomasok16:06
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dcammueYou done renaming it?16:06
kthomasyes16:06
dcammueOkay 16:06
dcammueStart your html document 16:07
kthomasi did16:07
dcammueOkay 16:08
dcammueIn the body session, there where we will put the table 16:08
kthomasunder the heading16:09
dcammueSo in body, type the table tag first 16:09
dcammueYes16:09
kthomasoh yeah16:09
dcammueBetween the <body> right here</body>16:10
kthomasyes16:10
dcammuePut this <table> </table>16:10
kthomasyes16:11
dcammueIn between the open and closed tags of the table, put <tr></tr>16:12
kthomasok16:12
dcammueBetween, the  <tr> here</tr> put the <th></th>16:14
dcammueThe th tag is your table header 16:14
kthomasok16:14
dcammuePut your table header name you want16:14
kthomasok16:15
kthomasdo i make 3 headers16:15
dcammueOkay 16:15
kthomasbecause on the table assingment is showed 3 headers on the table16:15
kthomasalr16:16
dcammueYes16:16
dcammueGet under the closed tag for the tr</tr>16:16
kthomasok16:17
dcammuePlace, another tr tag16:18
kthomasok16:19
kthomasis this for the body16:19
kthomasof the table16:19
dcammueIn between the tr tags, put the td<td></td> tag16:19
kthomasok16:19
dcammueYes, this is the place you put the data16:19
dcammueInformations16:20
dcammueSo now, the first<td> is belong to the first<th> tag16:21
jelknerdcammue: can i jump in here a minute?16:21
dcammueYes16:21
kthomasim sorry im a little confused16:22
jelknerkthomas: what are you confused about?16:22
kthomaswas i supposed to stick with the same th tab for the td16:22
jelknerthe reason why i wanted to jump in here16:23
jelkneris that i think the power comes from knowing the "big ideas"16:23
jelkneryou were asked to study a *BIG IDEA* a little earlier16:23
jelknerthe DOM16:23
jelknerwhen you understand the DOM16:23
jelkneryou can reason about new HTML elements pretty easily16:24
jelknerwhen you don't understand the DOM, it all gets very confusing16:24
jelknersince it's just a bunch of memorization16:24
jelknerwith little *understanding*16:24
jelknercan anyone tell me what the DOM is?16:24
fkoikoi__document object model16:25
jelkner+116:25
jelknernice fkoikoi__ 16:25
jelknercan you tell us more?16:25
jelknerwhat do you know about it?16:25
fkoikoi__sure i can16:25
jelknerplease do16:26
fkoikoi__The Document Object Model is a way the browser represent your HTML page16:27
fkoikoi__as a structure that can be read and change 16:27
fkoikoi__it is the live version of the structure in the browser16:29
fkoikoi__ACTION done16:29
jkollie DOM,It's a way browsers represent your web page so that programs can understand and interact with it16:29
jelknerexcellent16:31
jelknerok that's great16:31
jkollieThe DOM is like a tree structure 16:31
jelknerNice!16:31
jelknerjkollie: i was just about to say that ;-)16:31
jelkneryou beat me to it16:31
jkollie🤩16:31
jelkneri mentioned earlier, but this is a good time to say it again16:32
jelknerthe file system is a tree structure too16:32
jelknerone of the things i like best in this class is the opportunity to see abstract tree structures in two very different concrete contexts16:32
jelknerthe file system, and the DOM16:32
jelknerso let's look at a few visualizations of tree structures:16:33
jelknerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_(graph_theory)16:33
jelknerhttps://www.geeksforgeeks.org/dsa/introduction-to-tree-data-structure/16:34
jelknerthis last one may be the best16:34
jelknertake a minute to look at it16:34
fkoikoi__okay16:34
jelknerhttps://takeuforward.org/binary-tree/introduction-to-trees16:35
jelknerand now... pay attention dear students...16:35
jelknerhttps://www.w3schools.com/js/js_htmldom.asp16:36
jelknerkthomas: look at that last page closely please16:37
jelknerthat's what fkoikoi__ and jkollie meant when they said the DOM is a tree structure16:38
jelknerso a table in html is a complex element16:38
jelknerthe parent node is <table></table>16:39
jelknerand it has children that are rows16:39
jelkner<tr></tr>16:39
jelknerand these rows have children that are data elements <td></td>16:39
jelkner*or* <th></th>16:40
jelknerthe "th" stands for "table heading"16:40
jelknerbut in the tree structure they occupy the same place as td - table data16:40
jelkneri just found a nice illustration here:16:41
jelknerhttps://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Document_Object_Model/Building_and_updating_the_DOM_tree16:41
jelknertake a look16:42
jelkneryou need to scroll down a bit16:42
jelknerbut you'll see:16:42
jelknerhttps://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Document_Object_Model/Building_and_updating_the_DOM_tree/sample1-tabledom.jpg16:42
jelknerlook at that16:42
jelknerok, kthomas is telling me this helped16:45
jelknerthank you, dcammue, for letting me interrupt16:45
jelkneri'll turn it back over to you now...16:46
dcammueOkay 16:46
dcammueThanks 16:46
dcammueSo kthomas 16:47
dcammueYou have the first<tr> tags that hold the <th> tags right?16:47
kthomasyes16:47
dcammueUnder that </tr>, put another<tr></tr>16:48
kthomasok16:48
dcammueYou are done 16:49
kthomasyes16:49
kthomassorry16:49
dcammueIn the <tr>here</tr>, put <td></td>16:50
dcammueSorry for?16:50
kthomasok16:51
kthomassorry for not responding16:51
dcammueIn between the <td>here</td>, put the first information from the table 16:52
kthomasok16:52
dcammueMake three td<td> tags 16:53
kthomasalright16:53
jelknerbell is about to ring16:53
dcammueOkay 16:53
jelkneri'll do a 30 minute intro to php on tuesday, dcammue 16:53
dcammueSave the work16:53
jelknerthen you can pick up where you left off16:53
jelknerhave a great weekend everyone!16:54
dcammueOkay 16:54
fkoikoi__you too jelkner16:54
dcammueKthomas 16:54
dcammueSave the work 16:54
kthomasyes iwill16:54
kthomasthank you so much16:54
kthomasbye!16:54
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dcammueOkay, thanks for coming today 16:57
dcammueWe will meet again on Tuesday 16:58
dcammueHope to see you all soon16:58
fkoikoi__ACTION signs off for today16:58
jkollietake care jelkner!16:58
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jelknerthis was great jkollie and dcammue!17:26
jelknerok, gotta go17:26
jelknerdcammue: see you tomorrow in our stand-up meeting17:26
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