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| jelkner | Morning, Bots, good to see you both here ;-) | 07:27 |
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| * jelkner checks to see if the missing logs from yesterday have been restored by mjsir911... | 07:27 | |
| jelkner | Darn, they're not there. | 07:28 |
| jelkner | I'll have to pester mjsir911 until they are. | 07:29 |
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| jelkner | Good morning, mjsir911! | 07:54 |
| jelkner | Did you see my email? | 07:54 |
| jelkner | Logs are still missing from yesterday | 07:55 |
| jelkner | Please insert what i emailed to you into the record | 07:56 |
| jelkner | preserving the few things that came after | 07:56 |
| jelkner | (Rena_'s posts, mainly) | 07:56 |
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| German_ | Good morning, jelkner ! | 08:26 |
| jelkner | Buenos dias, German_! | 08:26 |
| jelkner | Voy a trabajar mas en SEO hoy. | 08:27 |
| German_ | good! | 08:27 |
| German_ | I have a question, jelkner | 08:27 |
| jelkner | ask | 08:27 |
| jelkner | In 2 minutes i have a phone meeting with my doctor | 08:28 |
| jelkner | So ask now ;-) | 08:28 |
| German_ | Should I change the SEO for Elizabeth's site or Rena should do it?, jelkner | 08:28 |
| jelkner | You two should work together to figure out who does what. | 08:28 |
| jelkner | I don't care, as long as it gets done. | 08:28 |
| German_ | Ok, jelkner | 08:29 |
| jelkner | For us to be really effective, we are going to need to learn to communicate quickly and smoothly. | 08:29 |
| jelkner | To figure out what needs to be done with minimum fuss, and to do it! | 08:29 |
| jelkner | ;-) | 08:29 |
| German_ | ;-) | 08:31 |
| German_ | jelkner, try to find Elizabeth's site on google it should appear "Elizabeth Guzman Candidate for Virginia House", "Elizabeth Guzman Running Candidate" etc | 08:41 |
| jelkner | I think we are doing fine with this, German_. It still shows up on the middle of page 2 for me, but don't worry about it. | 08:46 |
| German_ | :$ | 08:46 |
| jelkner | I like what I'm reading in the Google manual. | 08:46 |
| jelkner | Basically, we should be focusing on best practices for good web page design, and not trying to "trick" the search engines. | 08:47 |
| jelkner | So descriptive titles are good. | 08:47 |
| jelkner | pages rise in google searches based a lot on how many other pages link to them (page rank). | 08:48 |
| jelkner | So a really good page that a lot of people use naturally raises in the ranks. | 08:48 |
| jelkner | That's good news. | 08:48 |
| jelkner | It means focus on our customer. | 08:48 |
| jelkner | Provide a website that is useful to them and helps them achieve what they are trying to achieve. | 08:49 |
| jelkner | That will then naturally interest other people in the website, increase the number of folks who like to the page, and raise its rand. | 08:49 |
| jelkner | s/rank/rand | 08:49 |
| jelkner | So it's my job to keep reading the SEO thing from Google. | 08:50 |
| jelkner | You only have to add the changes I request. | 08:50 |
| jelkner | I have a question for you, though. | 08:50 |
| German_ | tell me | 08:50 |
| jelkner | Do you think we could setup a meeting with Elizabeth, you, and the graphics designer I want to bring into the project? | 08:50 |
| jelkner | I think the header looks bad. | 08:51 |
| jelkner | Daniela could make it look much better. | 08:51 |
| jelkner | But I want to talk to Elizabeth about that. | 08:51 |
| German_ | Sure, jelkner | 08:51 |
| jelkner | Do you usually communicate with Elizabeth or with her campaign manager? | 08:52 |
| German_ | mm no, just with Elizabeth | 08:52 |
| jelkner | fine | 08:52 |
| jelkner | that will make it easier | 08:52 |
| jelkner | ok, i'll work on setting that up if we agree tonight to try to work with Daniela | 08:53 |
| German_ | Ok | 08:53 |
| German_ | See you then, jelkner | 08:53 |
| jelkner | Hasta siete, hermano | 08:53 |
| German_ | ;) | 08:53 |
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| jelkner | German_, do you have any idea why Elizabeth's site is down? | 13:19 |
| jelkner | mjsir911 is looking into it. | 13:19 |
| jelkner | but i wondered if you knew what it could be? | 13:20 |
| German_ | jelkner, The website is up for me | 13:29 |
| German_ | jelkner, http://elizabethguzmanforvirginia.com/ | 13:30 |
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| German_ | I won't be here for the meeting, jelkner | 14:49 |
| German_ | But I can check the logs later, jelkner | 14:49 |
| mjsir911 | ssh kvmhost | 16:02 |
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| German_ | jelkner, check the logs ;-) | 16:23 |
| jelkner | which logs? | 16:24 |
| jelkner | German_, irc logs? | 16:24 |
| German_ | yes | 16:24 |
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| Big_Brother | huh | 17:19 |
| Big_Brother | oh hey I got it working | 17:19 |
| Big_Brother | I'm always watching o.o | 17:19 |
| Big_Brother | quick reboot | 17:20 |
| Big_Brother | EOF | 17:20 |
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| mjsir911 | test | 17:26 |
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| remindBot | Recommend http://www.toolboxfored.org/project/own-the-change/ for NOVA Websters to view and discuss as we decide how to organize ourselves. | 19:00 |
| remindBot | Quote for http://technorubble.org/ website | 19:00 |
| remindBot | Look into value of Electric Embers: https://npogroups.org | 19:00 |
| remindBot | Talk about Logos and ask if we should approach Daniela | 19:00 |
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| jelkner | Good evening | 19:01 |
| replaceafill | hello everybody | 19:01 |
| jelkner | mjsir911's remindBot worked like a charm again | 19:01 |
| jelkner | that's cool! | 19:01 |
| jelkner | ok, i don't see louisea or German_ | 19:02 |
| jelkner | so we are at a bit of a disadvantage | 19:02 |
| jelkner | but let's do what we can with who we've got | 19:02 |
| jelkner | Rena_ isn't here either | 19:02 |
| jelkner | Strange | 19:02 |
| ubuntourist | Once again, to those of you who have not, please register an IRC nickname and try to stick with it. | 19:03 |
| jelkner | thanks, ubuntourist | 19:03 |
| jelkner | this is an ongoing struggle that we older folks (and mjsir911, who rocks this stuff), need to help everyone else with | 19:03 |
| ubuntourist | Many IRC clients are capable of "watching" for particular nicks, and so, for example, if I'm on IRC but not on the novaweb channel, | 19:04 |
| ubuntourist | you can still be aware that I'm available and "ping" me to join the channel. | 19:04 |
| jelkner | sweet | 19:04 |
| jelkner | ok, we need to focus on the two main projects of this past week - PWPC and the RFP | 19:05 |
| ubuntourist | (I have my system set to watch for jelkner, replaceafill, and mjsir911, as these have all "stabilized" as nicknames). | 19:05 |
| ubuntourist | (Done.) | 19:05 |
| jelkner | since the PWPC folks aren't able to say much about that | 19:05 |
| jelkner | for the record i can say we've made a lot of progress | 19:05 |
| jelkner | Elizabeth Guzman is really happy with what we have done for her | 19:06 |
| jelkner | and she has been thanking us publicly and promoting us | 19:06 |
| jelkner | i talked to her this morning | 19:06 |
| ubuntourist | Progress? For the Progress Coalition? Who woulda thunk. ;-) | 19:06 |
| jelkner | she mentioned that someone came up to her at an event the other night and asked who did her website | 19:07 |
| jelkner | telling her it looked nice | 19:07 |
| jelkner | i think we can make it look even better, so i wanted to ask what folks thought about inviting another young person to work with us | 19:07 |
| jelkner | her name is Daniela, and she is a graphics designer | 19:08 |
| ubuntourist | While they may not be paying much, I was saying to jelkner earlier that the candidates are motivated to advertise themselves, | 19:08 |
| jelkner | i've been paying her to make logos for me for the past two years | 19:08 |
| jelkner | she does nice work | 19:08 |
| ubuntourist | and we're advertised because we're a subclass of them, sort of. | 19:08 |
| jelkner | what do folks think about asking Daniela to be "part of our coop"? | 19:09 |
| ubuntourist | Her name has come up before. Any online samples for people to look at? | 19:09 |
| mjsir911 | can anyone reach her website? http://elizabethguzmanforvirginia.com/ | 19:09 |
| mjsir911 | Webfaction has been moving servers so they've been off and on | 19:10 |
| jelkner | no, i can't | 19:10 |
| jelkner | that's bad | 19:10 |
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| jelkner | ubuntourist, i like your question | 19:10 |
| German_ | Hello, I'm sorry for the delay, jelkner | 19:10 |
| jelkner | can i tell her we had a meeting and folks wanted to see her portfolio? | 19:10 |
| jelkner | that will be good for her | 19:11 |
| jelkner | she may not have it together yet, but she could do that for us | 19:11 |
| jelkner | German_, good evening | 19:11 |
| German_ | good evening, jelkner | 19:11 |
| jelkner | I don't know what happened to louisea and Rena_ | 19:11 |
| ubuntourist | lguzman's ssh still works, taking me to web560.webfaction.com | 19:12 |
| jelkner | can we figure out what is going on? | 19:12 |
| jelkner | this happened earlier today also | 19:12 |
| jelkner | i got word from webfaction on some other accounts that my server had been moved and i had a new ip address | 19:13 |
| mjsir911 | It's back up | 19:13 |
| jelkner | i wonder if it could be the same thing | 19:13 |
| ubuntourist | German_ You should get in the habit of using the nickname you registered. (If I recall, you did register one.) | 19:13 |
| jelkner | that would be good, German_ | 19:13 |
| jelkner | register a nick (maybe GermanES or something) | 19:13 |
| mjsir911 | We should look into how to minimize downtime on webfactional's migrations | 19:14 |
| jelkner | and then log in with it | 19:14 |
| jelkner | replaceafill can help you with that | 19:14 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911 +1 | 19:14 |
| jelkner | How are things going, German_? | 19:15 |
| jelkner | German_, are you still here? | 19:16 |
| German_ | well, I still waiting for Elizabeth answer.., jelkner | 19:16 |
| jelkner | about what? | 19:16 |
| ubuntourist | (+1 is "IRC-speak" for "I agree" or "I voted 'yes' to that proposal".) | 19:16 |
| German_ | about the SEO, jelkner | 19:17 |
| German_ | I'm stuck with that | 19:17 |
| jelkner | did you see the document i made? | 19:17 |
| jelkner | SEO is my job, not hers | 19:17 |
| German_ | :o | 19:18 |
| German_ | Oh | 19:18 |
| ubuntourist | German_ I doubt Elizabeth would have any idea what you're asking. | 19:18 |
| German_ | did you update it | 19:18 |
| jelkner | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ht4jdJChOggaGCrzxFOwXnrid1NAVxdbzvw_ueky5jo/edit | 19:18 |
| jelkner | she is busy running a campaign | 19:18 |
| jelkner | if we want her to keep loving us | 19:18 |
| jelkner | we need to do for her, not ask her to do for us | 19:18 |
| jelkner | let's develop some skills in creating great campaign websites | 19:19 |
| mjsir911 | I don't see a mention of robots.txt. This is important for web crawlers to know about the website: http://www.robotstxt.org/robotstxt.html | 19:19 |
| German_ | Ok, jelkner | 19:19 |
| jelkner | quickly and with minimal hassle to the candidate | 19:19 |
| ubuntourist | Is <meta keywords> still a thing? Or has that been discouraged because people misuse it. | 19:19 |
| German_ | I'll work on that after the meeting, jelkner | 19:19 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, it has been discouraged, yes | 19:20 |
| jelkner | Google says <meta name="description" content=""> | 19:21 |
| jelkner | is recommended | 19:21 |
| German_ | what about the header image?, jelkner | 19:21 |
| German_ | jelkner, we should talk with the graphic designer? | 19:22 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, just FYI, this document is public | 19:22 |
| jelkner | which document? | 19:22 |
| replaceafill | the one you just linked | 19:23 |
| replaceafill | the content notes | 19:23 |
| jelkner | good point | 19:23 |
| replaceafill | be careful about permissions and putting links in here :) | 19:23 |
| jelkner | yes indeed | 19:23 |
| replaceafill | irc logs are crawled | 19:23 |
| ubuntourist | So, people searching for Guzman will find jelkner's page instead. ;-) | 19:23 |
| replaceafill | good SEO!!! | 19:24 |
| replaceafill | :D | 19:24 |
| jelkner | ok, permission changed | 19:24 |
| replaceafill | good | 19:24 |
| jelkner | but your point is well taken, replaceafill | 19:24 |
| replaceafill | :) | 19:24 |
| jelkner | i'll be more careful | 19:24 |
| jelkner | German_, you missed our discussion a few minutes ago | 19:25 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist asked to see Daniela's portfolio | 19:25 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, robots.txt with an exclude clause can help make the IRC logs a bit more private. mjsir911 can create. | 19:25 |
| German_ | jelkner, I came 9 minutes later, sorry! | 19:25 |
| jelkner | to save time, i may ask her to include a header for Elizabeth's website as part of that ;-) | 19:25 |
| jelkner | np, man, just updating you | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, i think it's good to be crawled | 19:26 |
| jelkner | so you don't have to worry about graphics | 19:26 |
| jelkner | not your job | 19:26 |
| jelkner | there are so many things to learn, we need to specialize a bit | 19:26 |
| jelkner | daniela is adept at photoshop and illustrator, i can vouch for that | 19:27 |
| jelkner | but i'll ask her for a portfolio | 19:27 |
| German_ | jelkner, Ok | 19:27 |
| jelkner | and get her started with the website headers | 19:27 |
| jelkner | Celina's and Elizabeth's | 19:27 |
| ubuntourist | I've seen some of her work but it would be good if everyone can see it. | 19:27 |
| jelkner | will do, ubuntourist | 19:28 |
| jelkner | ok, any thoughts on the RFP? | 19:28 |
| mjsir911 | btw, the link i linked last week: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/6258314?hl=en&ref_topic=3309469 | 19:29 |
| mjsir911 | is super important, we should set up our websites with google analytics to tell google when change stuff | 19:29 |
| ubuntourist | I gave my minor tweaks before sending Flint at it. | 19:29 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist and replaceafill? | 19:29 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, decent attempt for so short notice IMO | 19:30 |
| jelkner | cool, let's send it in as a "hail mary" | 19:30 |
| ubuntourist | There was some ALL CAPS text in it that still needs replacing, I think. (I replaced some of that. I interpreted it as "Louie is not sure what to put here.") | 19:30 |
| jelkner | that's correct, ubuntourist | 19:31 |
| replaceafill | i used ALL CAPS for the same reason | 19:31 |
| jelkner | it may be that louisea and flint are chatting as we speak | 19:31 |
| jelkner | i don't know that | 19:31 |
| ubuntourist | I *think* there's still some all-caps text. I don't know that Louie has seen Flint's suggestions yet. | 19:31 |
| jelkner | but my hunch is that louisae has some good reason for not being here | 19:31 |
| jelkner | ok, it's 7:32 | 19:32 |
| jelkner | we should strive to keep our meetings to 30 minutes | 19:32 |
| jelkner | short and sweet | 19:32 |
| jelkner | anything else pressing before the gravel falls? | 19:32 |
| * replaceafill done | 19:33 | |
| * jelkner drops the bag of gravel | 19:33 | |
| jelkner | see ya all next tuesday | 19:33 |
| replaceafill | thanks everybody | 19:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, btw, thanks for the video | 19:34 |
| replaceafill | about coops | 19:34 |
| replaceafill | very informative | 19:34 |
| jelkner | indeed | 19:34 |
| jelkner | let's talk about that in the future | 19:34 |
| German_ | jelkner, I'll talk to you soon! | 19:34 |
| jelkner | i was going to, but without louisae i wanted to wait | 19:34 |
| replaceafill | sure | 19:34 |
| jelkner | talk soon, German_! | 19:35 |
| jelkner | to the Lost Dog with ubuntourist and me! | 19:35 |
| * German_ is leaving the office! | 19:35 | |
| ubuntourist | Meanwhile things are starting to cook a little with the tech co-op people on the platform co-op mailing list. | 19:35 |
| ubuntourist | And, I'm gone. | 19:35 |
| * ubuntourist gets ready to raise a glass. | 19:35 | |
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