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| jelkner | Top 'o the mornin to ya Bots! | 07:40 |
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| jelkner | remind: Look into value of Electric Embers: https://npogroups.org | 07:50 |
| jelkner | !remind: Look into value of Electric Embers: https://npogroups.org | 07:50 |
| jelkner | !remind Look into value of Electric Embers: https://npogroups.org | 07:50 |
| remindBot | will print Look into value of Electric Embers: https://npogroups.org at 2017-04-25 19:00:00 | 07:50 |
| jelkner | 3rd time's a charm ;-) | 07:50 |
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| jelkner | Good morning, mjsir911! | 08:56 |
| mjsir911 | good morning | 09:04 |
| jelkner | mjsir911, let's talk about setting up tryton according to replaceafill's instructions when you get in today | 09:14 |
| mjsir911 | ok | 09:17 |
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| replaceafill | jelkner I understand the importance of getting an opportunity like this | 10:11 |
| replaceafill | or even getting into the process of applying | 10:12 |
| replaceafill | but I keep thinking I shouldn't take NOVA Web Development work if I plan to continue with my job | 10:13 |
| replaceafill | we should plan accordingly | 10:13 |
| jelkner | this is a part time gig | 10:13 |
| jelkner | yes, we definitely need to plan | 10:14 |
| jelkner | we need a business plan, which is what louisea and i have been grappling with | 10:14 |
| replaceafill | the video you linked a few days ago shows me that we need to ask for help | 10:15 |
| jelkner | we spent the year working to get several folks some solid front end design skills | 10:15 |
| jelkner | i'm asking, believe me | 10:15 |
| replaceafill | sure, i know | 10:15 |
| jelkner | and i will continue to network as well as I can | 10:15 |
| replaceafill | what i'm trying to say is that i don't even understand what "business plan" mean | 10:15 |
| replaceafill | so it's hard to help when you don't understand things well | 10:16 |
| replaceafill | like "response time" :) | 10:16 |
| jelkner | just put whatever you think sounds good | 10:16 |
| jelkner | "we will respond within 48 hours of a ticket" | 10:16 |
| jelkner | please understand this is even harder for louisae then for you | 10:16 |
| jelkner | since he doesn't even understand the tech side of our business | 10:17 |
| jelkner | i'm hoping ubuntourist will reach out to flint | 10:17 |
| jelkner | and we will get something submitted | 10:17 |
| jelkner | if you could give it a few minutes i would be grateful | 10:17 |
| jelkner | i've done all i can at this point, and louisae is really trying | 10:18 |
| jelkner | we need to support him, or he won't be able to help us | 10:18 |
| jelkner | we're just starting | 10:18 |
| replaceafill | i think you can explain the small iterations approach | 10:18 |
| replaceafill | better than me | 10:19 |
| jelkner | can you just put something like "we use an agile approach"? and i'll edit it | 10:19 |
| jelkner | you and ubuntourist are the ones who will have to fullfull the contract if we get it | 10:20 |
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| jelkner | my brother will be available too, if we want him | 10:20 |
| jelkner | i talked to him about that | 10:20 |
| jelkner | and he can do perl | 10:20 |
| jelkner | i really need to get ready for my 11 am students | 10:21 |
| jelkner | if i want to keep the job i use to fund this project ;-) | 10:21 |
| replaceafill | Kevin seems busy | 10:21 |
| replaceafill | we may should just punt this one | 10:21 |
| jelkner | let's see what he does | 10:21 |
| jelkner | if he can't find time to do it, we won't get it done | 10:21 |
| replaceafill | it was too short notice anyway | 10:21 |
| replaceafill | i'm trying to find the doc | 10:22 |
| jelkner | i would ask that you put a wee bit of something into the doc | 10:22 |
| jelkner | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B85zX3SJKGa78m9G05vD5JuMY8o3k6mW8Wc3zMmKJr4/edit# | 10:22 |
| replaceafill | thanks! | 10:22 |
| jelkner | then we wait on ubuntourist | 10:22 |
| jelkner | if he does nothing, we can't submit | 10:22 |
| replaceafill | ok | 10:23 |
| jelkner | is was his networking that brought this to our attention in the first place | 10:23 |
| jelkner | and folks he knows who suggested we apply | 10:23 |
| replaceafill | it's just bad timing i guess | 10:23 |
| jelkner | we'll have to leave it up to him whether we deliver a proposal or not | 10:23 |
| jelkner | thanks man! back to work for me | 10:23 |
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| jelkner | !remind Talk about Logos and ask if we should approach Daniela | 10:47 |
| remindBot | will print Talk about Logos and ask if we should approach Daniela at 2017-04-25 19:00:00 | 10:47 |
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| replaceafill | German_, you around? | 14:50 |
| German_ | Hello, jelkner replaceafill | 14:50 |
| replaceafill | why do you always ping jelkner? :D | 14:50 |
| replaceafill | i've seen you talking to Kevin and saying "yes, jelkner"... | 14:51 |
| replaceafill | anyway | 14:51 |
| replaceafill | in case you don't see it or don't remember it, jelkner sent an email on... | 14:51 |
| replaceafill | April 4th | 14:51 |
| replaceafill | about a migration of Web348 | 14:51 |
| replaceafill | (it's on the list) | 14:51 |
| replaceafill | it seems to be happening right now | 14:51 |
| replaceafill | the website, irclogs, etc are down at the moment | 14:52 |
| replaceafill | can you do me a favor and verify, after the migration it's done, that all the apps there work? | 14:52 |
| German_ | Hi, replaceafill | 14:52 |
| replaceafill | you may need to ping Marco so he checks the IRC related stuff | 14:53 |
| jelkner | Because German_ and jelkner like talking to each other, replacefill! ;-) | 14:53 |
| replaceafill | :D | 14:53 |
| jelkner | mjsir911 is at lunch | 14:54 |
| jelkner | i'll ask him to look over the log when he arrives at 1:40 pm | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | ehh | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | we have no logs at the moment | 14:54 |
| jelkner | in the mean time (and while I have you both here) | 14:54 |
| jelkner | ehh? | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | the logger bot is down | 14:55 |
| jelkner | that's what i meant | 14:55 |
| jelkner | lol | 14:55 |
| replaceafill | ok | 14:55 |
| jelkner | anyway, while i have you both here | 14:55 |
| German_ | jelkner, did you talk with Elizabeth? | 14:56 |
| jelkner | I saw her, and she publicly thanked NOVA Web Development for doing her website | 14:56 |
| jelkner | but we did not have a chance to talk | 14:56 |
| jelkner | mjsir911, logging is down | 14:57 |
| jelkner | apparently | 14:57 |
| German_ | jelkner, Should I send her another email? | 14:57 |
| jelkner | Anyway, we have a student here at ACC who is a good graphic designer | 14:57 |
| jelkner | didn't she email us back? | 14:58 |
| German_ | jelkner, because I need to add SEO to her website | 14:58 |
| jelkner | Ahh yes | 14:58 |
| German_ | jelkner, no yet! | 14:58 |
| jelkner | OK, this is what i meant in my email when I said we probably want to learn to do this ourselves | 14:58 |
| jelkner | we want to charge for our expertise | 14:59 |
| jelkner | that includes HTML5, CSS3, JavaScript, etc | 14:59 |
| jelkner | but if we really want to generate business around mostly front end websites | 14:59 |
| jelkner | like the ones German_, Victor, and Amanuel can now do | 15:00 |
| jelkner | We need a real customer friendly delivery | 15:00 |
| jelkner | we need to do a lot for the customers | 15:00 |
| jelkner | that's why they would want to pay us to do it | 15:00 |
| jelkner | since we take the worry away from them | 15:01 |
| German_ | Oh, ok jelkner | 15:01 |
| jelkner | So, I would like to try this ourselves | 15:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i think we're on the same page about that | 15:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, my only problem is who does it | 15:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i know WE CAN DO IT | 15:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and provide it as part of our service | 15:01 |
| jelkner | but as you said, replaceafill, it shouldn't fall on the Guanacos ;-) | 15:02 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, correct | 15:02 |
| jelkner | i will be proposing to add two more people to our group at tomorrow's meeting | 15:03 |
| jelkner | Daniela and Edzon | 15:03 |
| German_ | jelkner, In that case I'll try to write the SEO for her website | 15:03 |
| replaceafill | German_, no! | 15:03 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, it should be Rena, but she has been sick | 15:03 |
| jelkner | so what do we do? | 15:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i bet Louie can write a description for SEO in 5 minutes | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, after we point him to a website | 15:04 |
| jelkner | i met with Louie on Sunday morning, and while I fully agree with you that he *could* do it | 15:05 |
| jelkner | he said that until August, when he will think about coming on with us for more time | 15:05 |
| jelkner | he only has 10 hours per week | 15:05 |
| German_ | jelkner, Ok, I'll send him an email | 15:05 |
| replaceafill | German_, we're still discussing it | 15:06 |
| jelkner | don't we need him to setup the appointment with the accountant, and finish the RFP | 15:06 |
| jelkner | and help us develop a business plan? | 15:06 |
| jelkner | that's what i've been telling him his priorities are | 15:06 |
| jelkner | i think strategically we don't want him on customer projects at this point | 15:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 15:07 |
| jelkner | if it is really 5 minutes, that's one thing | 15:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, who other native speaker on the team can we use? | 15:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, who's available for this? | 15:07 |
| jelkner | how about this - German_ writes it in Spanish and I translate | 15:08 |
| jelkner | i have time for that, what I don't have time for now is understanding how SEO works, reading the docs you sent about that, etc. | 15:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, oh my | 15:08 |
| jelkner | oh my? | 15:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, let's take a step back, ok? | 15:09 |
| jelkner | do it | 15:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we just need the question: "What does Elizabeth's site describe?" answered | 15:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's it | 15:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, German_ can handle the ACTUAL SEO part | 15:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we're talking "copy writing" | 15:10 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, unless i have that concept wrong | 15:10 |
| jelkner | so what do we need? | 15:10 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, which might be the case | 15:10 |
| jelkner | i wrote up the description for him for our portfolio | 15:10 |
| jelkner | my understanding was SEO was all about keyword searches and such | 15:10 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, no | 15:10 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, not the part *i* care about | 15:11 |
| jelkner | so that "Elizabeth Guzman", "Virginia delegate", "PWPC", etcs | 15:11 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, the part i've seen in reality being effective | 15:11 |
| jelkner | would all pop up her website | 15:11 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'd argue that in practice keywords don't matter anymore | 15:12 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but we're deviating from the topic | 15:12 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, if the description we have in our website makes sense too appear in a google search | 15:12 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, then let's reuse it | 15:12 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, if it's written "We developed this website with the goal of etc etc and we did these sections etc etc" | 15:13 |
| German_ | I'm leaving! talk to you soon jelkner , replaceafill | 15:13 |
| replaceafill | German_, ok | 15:13 |
| jelkner | later, German_ | 15:13 |
| jelkner | i don't understand how this works | 15:14 |
| *German_ is leaving the office! | 15:14 | |
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| jelkner | which is why i haven't been able to help more | 15:14 |
| jelkner | if you are looking for text to appear under the result of a google search that links to her webpage | 15:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 15:15 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, here's the portfolio page: | 15:15 |
| replaceafill | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/novawebdevelopment/Website/master/app/templates/portfolio.html | 15:15 |
| jelkner | how about, "Elizabeth Guzman is a 2017 candidate for Virginia House of Delegates district 31."? | 15:15 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's far better than what we have | 15:16 |
| jelkner | Is it one thing or lots? | 15:16 |
| jelkner | what I just wrote is the most universal | 15:17 |
| replaceafill | it's a paragraph | 15:17 |
| replaceafill | there's no standard afaik | 15:17 |
| replaceafill | like this many characters or something | 15:17 |
| jelkner | but many people would want to find her with by searching "Progressive candidates for Virgina House of Delegates" | 15:17 |
| jelkner | or "Our Revolution endorsed candidates 2017" | 15:17 |
| replaceafill | yeah, then we should try to include that in the paragraph | 15:18 |
| replaceafill | see? copy writing | 15:18 |
| replaceafill | isn't it? | 15:18 |
| jelkner | Or "Latina candidates for state office in the US" | 15:18 |
| replaceafill | also good | 15:18 |
| jelkner | i really don't get this | 15:18 |
| replaceafill | now mix them all together in a coherent paragraph | 15:18 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, believe me | 15:19 |
| jelkner | since i have a collection of unrelated ways to think about this | 15:19 |
| replaceafill | it's not only about the keywords | 15:19 |
| jelkner | we want them all to work | 15:19 |
| replaceafill | indeed | 15:19 |
| jelkner | but it would be an awkward paragraph indeed that included them together | 15:19 |
| replaceafill | can't a paragraph have many sentences? | 15:19 |
| replaceafill | that's what i meant | 15:19 |
| jelkner | it's not a paragraph unless the sentences are related | 15:20 |
| jelkner | it is just a collection of sentences | 15:20 |
| jelkner | like the ones i just wrote | 15:20 |
| jelkner | i wouldn't know how to put them into a paragraph | 15:20 |
| jelkner | a bulleted list, yes | 15:21 |
| replaceafill | i'd maybe start by "Elizabeth Guzman is a Latina candidate who is running..." | 15:21 |
| jelkner | where does this "paragraph" appear? How is it used? | 15:21 |
| replaceafill | and finished with "...she's been endorsed by Our Revolution" | 15:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's what it's indexed by the search engines | 15:22 |
| jelkner | where does it go? | 15:22 |
| replaceafill | in the html of the page | 15:22 |
| replaceafill | hidden from the user | 15:22 |
| replaceafill | visibility | 15:22 |
| replaceafill | it's just a *meta* tag | 15:22 |
| replaceafill | but i'd say part of the heart of your page SEO | 15:23 |
| jelkner | okey dokey | 15:23 |
| jelkner | since someone has to do this, and no one else is available, let me get on it | 15:23 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, thanks | 15:24 |
| replaceafill | webfaction server is back | 15:26 |
| replaceafill | either German or mjsir911 should check that everything needed is working | 15:26 |
| replaceafill | the logger bot is not | 15:26 |
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| mj_stuck | hey the bus never came to my school | 16:03 |
| mj_stuck | jelkner | 16:04 |
| mj_stuck | Well, i gtg but I hope its fine that my stuff is staying there overnight | 16:05 |
| mj_stuck | I'll be there tomorrow during sciprog | 16:05 |
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| Rena_ | Got to updating Lee's site. Sent the email to ask if anymore changes are needed + some fine tweaks. Almost ready to deploy | 21:38 |
| Rena_ | Also If anyone happens to be at the Arlington Tech Expo this weekend my brother will be there presenting his project. It's a blackboard alternative made in asp.net, very cool! | 21:39 |
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