IRC log of #novawebdev for Monday, 2017-04-24

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jelknerTop 'o the mornin to ya Bots!07:40
jelknerremind: Look into value of Electric Embers: https://npogroups.org07:50
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jelkner!remind Look into value of Electric Embers: https://npogroups.org07:50
remindBotwill print Look into value of Electric Embers: at 2017-04-25 19:00:0007:50
jelkner3rd time's a charm ;-)07:50
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jelknerGood morning, mjsir911!08:56
mjsir911good morning09:04
jelknermjsir911, let's talk about setting up tryton according to replaceafill's instructions when you get in today09:14
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replaceafilljelkner I understand the importance of getting an opportunity like this10:11
replaceafillor even getting into the process of applying10:12
replaceafillbut I keep thinking I shouldn't take NOVA Web Development work if I plan to continue with my job10:13
replaceafillwe should plan accordingly10:13
jelknerthis is a part time gig10:13
jelkneryes, we definitely need to plan10:14
jelknerwe need a business plan, which is what louisea and i have been grappling with10:14
replaceafillthe video you linked a few days ago shows me that we need to ask for help10:15
jelknerwe spent the year working to get several folks some solid front end design skills10:15
jelkneri'm asking, believe me10:15
replaceafillsure, i know10:15
jelknerand i will continue to network as well as I can10:15
replaceafillwhat i'm trying to say is that i don't even understand what "business plan" mean10:15
replaceafillso it's hard to help when you don't understand things well10:16
replaceafilllike "response time" :)10:16
jelknerjust put whatever you think sounds good10:16
jelkner"we will respond within 48 hours of a ticket"10:16
jelknerplease understand this is even harder for louisae then for you10:16
jelknersince he doesn't even understand the tech side of our business10:17
jelkneri'm hoping ubuntourist will reach out to flint10:17
jelknerand we will get something submitted10:17
jelknerif you could give it a few minutes i would be grateful10:17
jelkneri've done all i can at this point, and louisae is really trying10:18
jelknerwe need to support him, or he won't be able to help us10:18
jelknerwe're just starting10:18
replaceafilli think you can explain the small iterations approach10:18
replaceafillbetter than me10:19
jelknercan you just put something like "we use an agile approach"? and i'll edit it10:19
jelkneryou and ubuntourist are the ones who will have to fullfull the contract if we get it10:20
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jelknermy brother will be available too, if we want him10:20
jelkneri talked to him about that10:20
jelknerand he can do perl10:20
jelkneri really need to get ready for my 11 am students10:21
jelknerif i want to keep the job i use to fund this project ;-)10:21
replaceafillKevin seems busy10:21
replaceafillwe may should just punt this one10:21
jelknerlet's see what he does10:21
jelknerif he can't find time to do it, we won't get it done10:21
replaceafillit was too short notice anyway10:21
replaceafilli'm trying to find the doc10:22
jelkneri would ask that you put a wee bit of something into the doc10:22
jelknerthen we wait on ubuntourist10:22
jelknerif he does nothing, we can't submit10:22
jelkneris was his networking that brought this to our attention in the first place10:23
jelknerand folks he knows who suggested we apply10:23
replaceafillit's just bad timing i guess10:23
jelknerwe'll have to leave it up to him whether we deliver a proposal or not10:23
jelknerthanks man!  back to work for me10:23
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jelkner!remind Talk about Logos and ask if we should approach Daniela10:47
remindBotwill print Talk about Logos and ask if we should approach Daniela at 2017-04-25 19:00:0010:47
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replaceafillGerman_, you around?14:50
German_Hello, jelkner replaceafill 14:50
replaceafillwhy do you always ping jelkner? :D14:50
replaceafilli've seen you talking to Kevin and saying "yes, jelkner"...14:51
replaceafillin case you don't see it or don't remember it, jelkner sent an email on...14:51
replaceafillApril 4th14:51
replaceafillabout a migration of Web34814:51
replaceafill(it's on the list)14:51
replaceafillit seems to be happening right now14:51
replaceafillthe website, irclogs, etc are down at the moment14:52
replaceafillcan you do me a favor and verify, after the migration it's done, that all the apps there work?14:52
German_Hi, replaceafill 14:52
replaceafillyou may need to ping Marco so he checks the IRC related stuff14:53
jelknerBecause German_ and jelkner like talking to each other, replacefill! ;-)14:53
jelknermjsir911 is at lunch14:54
jelkneri'll ask him to look over the log when he arrives at 1:40 pm14:54
replaceafillwe have no logs at the moment14:54
jelknerin the mean time (and while I have you both here)14:54
replaceafillthe logger bot is down14:55
jelknerthat's what i meant14:55
jelkneranyway, while i have you both here14:55
German_jelkner, did you talk with Elizabeth?14:56
jelknerI saw her, and she publicly thanked NOVA Web Development for doing her website14:56
jelknerbut we did not have a chance to talk14:56
jelknermjsir911, logging is down14:57
German_jelkner, Should I send her another email?14:57
jelknerAnyway, we have a student here at ACC who is a good graphic designer14:57
jelknerdidn't she email us back?14:58
German_jelkner, because I need to add SEO to her website14:58
jelknerAhh yes14:58
German_jelkner, no yet!14:58
jelknerOK, this is what i meant in my email when I said we probably want to learn to do this ourselves14:58
jelknerwe want to charge for our expertise14:59
jelknerthat includes HTML5, CSS3, JavaScript, etc14:59
jelknerbut if we really want to generate business around mostly front end websites14:59
jelknerlike the ones German_, Victor, and Amanuel can now do15:00
jelknerWe need a real customer friendly delivery15:00
jelknerwe need to do a lot for the customers15:00
jelknerthat's why they would want to pay us to do it15:00
jelknersince we take the worry away from them15:01
German_Oh, ok jelkner 15:01
jelknerSo, I would like to try this ourselves15:01
replaceafilljelkner, i think we're on the same page about that15:01
replaceafilljelkner, my only problem is who does it15:01
replaceafilljelkner, i know WE CAN DO IT15:01
replaceafilljelkner, and provide it as part of our service15:01
jelknerbut as you said, replaceafill, it shouldn't fall on the Guanacos ;-)15:02
replaceafilljelkner, correct15:02
jelkneri will be proposing to add two more people to our group at tomorrow's meeting15:03
jelknerDaniela and Edzon15:03
German_jelkner, In that case I'll try to write the SEO for her website15:03
replaceafillGerman_, no!15:03
jelknerreplaceafill, it should be Rena, but she has been sick15:03
jelknerso what do we do?15:03
replaceafilljelkner, i bet Louie can write a description for SEO in 5 minutes15:04
replaceafilljelkner, after we point him to a website15:04
jelkneri met with Louie on Sunday morning, and while I fully agree with you that he *could* do it15:05
jelknerhe said that until August, when he will think about coming on with us for more time15:05
jelknerhe only has 10 hours per week15:05
German_jelkner, Ok, I'll send him an email15:05
replaceafillGerman_, we're still discussing it15:06
jelknerdon't we need him to setup the appointment with the accountant, and finish the RFP15:06
jelknerand help us develop a business plan?15:06
jelknerthat's what i've been telling him his priorities are15:06
jelkneri think strategically we don't want him on customer projects at this point15:07
replaceafilljelkner, ok15:07
jelknerif it is really 5 minutes, that's one thing15:07
replaceafilljelkner, who other native speaker on the team can we use?15:07
replaceafilljelkner, who's available for this?15:07
jelknerhow about this - German_ writes it in Spanish and I translate15:08
jelkneri have time for that, what I don't have time for now is understanding how SEO works, reading the docs you sent about that, etc.15:08
replaceafilljelkner, oh my15:08
jelkneroh my?15:08
replaceafilljelkner, let's take a step back, ok?15:09
jelknerdo it15:09
replaceafilljelkner, we just need the question: "What does Elizabeth's site describe?" answered15:09
replaceafilljelkner, that's it15:09
replaceafilljelkner, German_ can handle the ACTUAL SEO part15:09
replaceafilljelkner, we're talking "copy writing"15:10
replaceafilljelkner, unless i have that concept wrong15:10
jelknerso what do we need?15:10
replaceafilljelkner, which might be the case15:10
jelkneri wrote up the description for him for our portfolio15:10
jelknermy understanding was SEO was all about keyword searches and such15:10
replaceafilljelkner, no15:10
replaceafilljelkner, not the part *i* care about15:11
jelknerso that "Elizabeth Guzman", "Virginia delegate", "PWPC", etcs15:11
replaceafilljelkner, the part i've seen in reality being effective15:11
jelknerwould all pop up her website15:11
replaceafilljelkner, i'd argue that in practice keywords don't matter anymore15:12
replaceafilljelkner, but we're deviating from the topic15:12
replaceafilljelkner, if the description we have in our website makes sense too appear in a google search15:12
replaceafilljelkner, then let's reuse it15:12
replaceafilljelkner, if it's written "We developed this website with the goal of etc etc and we did these sections etc etc"15:13
German_I'm leaving!  talk to you soon jelkner , replaceafill 15:13
replaceafillGerman_, ok15:13
jelknerlater, German_15:13
jelkneri don't understand how this works15:14
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jelknerwhich is why i haven't been able to help more15:14
jelknerif you are looking for text to appear under the result of a google search that links to her webpage15:14
replaceafilljelkner, ok15:15
replaceafilljelkner, here's the portfolio page:15:15
jelknerhow about, "Elizabeth Guzman is a 2017 candidate for Virginia House of Delegates district 31."?15:15
replaceafilljelkner, that's far better than what we have15:16
jelknerIs it one thing or lots?15:16
jelknerwhat I just wrote is the most universal15:17
replaceafillit's a paragraph15:17
replaceafillthere's no standard afaik15:17
replaceafilllike this many characters or something15:17
jelknerbut many people would want to find her with by searching "Progressive candidates for Virgina House of Delegates"15:17
jelkneror "Our Revolution endorsed candidates 2017"15:17
replaceafillyeah, then we should try to include that in the paragraph15:18
replaceafillsee? copy writing15:18
replaceafillisn't it?15:18
jelknerOr "Latina candidates for state office in the US"15:18
replaceafillalso good15:18
jelkneri really don't get this15:18
replaceafillnow mix them all together in a coherent paragraph15:18
replaceafilljelkner, believe me15:19
jelknersince i have a collection of unrelated ways to think about this15:19
replaceafillit's not only about the keywords15:19
jelknerwe want them all to work15:19
jelknerbut it would be an awkward paragraph indeed that included them together15:19
replaceafillcan't a paragraph have many sentences?15:19
replaceafillthat's what i meant15:19
jelknerit's not a paragraph unless the sentences are related15:20
jelknerit is just a collection of sentences15:20
jelknerlike the ones i just wrote15:20
jelkneri wouldn't know how to put them into a paragraph15:20
jelknera bulleted list, yes15:21
replaceafilli'd maybe start by "Elizabeth Guzman is a Latina candidate who is running..."15:21
jelknerwhere does this "paragraph" appear?  How is it used?15:21
replaceafilland finished with "...she's been endorsed by Our Revolution"15:21
replaceafilljelkner, that's what it's indexed by the search engines15:22
jelknerwhere does it go?15:22
replaceafillin the html of the page15:22
replaceafillhidden from the user15:22
replaceafillit's just a *meta* tag15:22
replaceafillbut i'd say part of the heart of your page SEO15:23
jelknerokey dokey15:23
jelknersince someone has to do this, and no one else is available, let me get on it15:23
replaceafilljelkner, thanks15:24
replaceafillwebfaction server is back15:26
replaceafilleither German or mjsir911 should check that everything needed is working15:26
replaceafillthe logger bot is not15:26
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mj_stuckhey the bus never came to my school16:03
mj_stuckWell, i gtg but I hope its fine that my stuff is staying there overnight16:05
mj_stuckI'll be there tomorrow during sciprog16:05
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Rena_Got to updating Lee's site. Sent the email to ask if anymore changes are needed + some fine tweaks. Almost ready to deploy21:38
Rena_Also If anyone happens to be at the Arlington Tech Expo this weekend my brother will be there presenting his project. It's a blackboard alternative made in, very cool!21:39

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