IRC log of #novawebdev for Thursday, 2017-05-04

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jelknerGood morning, mjsir911, where is remindBot this morning?08:10
* jelkner clocksin08:10
mjsir911I have no idea08:10
* jelkner working on curriculum08:10
mjsir911... I'll get on it08:10
jelknerbtw. We had a CS staff meeting yesterday that was *very* interesting!08:11
jelknerIt was from these folks -
jelknerubuntourist is going to like this, i think08:12
mjsir911I can't ssh into webfaction08:13
mjsir911wait nm08:14
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remindBotI am here to remind you of things at 19:00 on tuesdays. Use me by typing in `!remind <msg>`08:16
mjsir911now hosted on webfaction08:16
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remindBotI am here to remind you of things at 19:00 on tuesdays. Use me by typing in `!remind <msg>`08:17
mjsir911!remind Talk about /me clockin /me clockout and ask for protocol for recording project worked on08:17
remindBotwill print Talk about /me clockin /me clockout and ask for protocol for recording project worked on at 2017-05-09 19:00:0008:17
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mjsir911welcome zOnny 08:19
zOnny@mjsir911 good morning. :)08:22
jelknerz0nny, on irc, you don't need the @mjsir911, just mjsir911 will do08:28
jelknerand good morning to you!08:28
zOnnyjelkner Ok! thanks!08:31
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jelkner!remind Establish NOVA Webster style guidelines for HTML templates10:56
remindBotwill print Establish NOVA Webster style guidelines for HTML templates at 2017-05-09 19:00:0010:56
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* mr_german clockin11:24
* mr_german working on NOVA web portfolio11:35
jelknermr_german, we need your uncle to help get our html standards settled11:41
jelknerthis next few weeks will be the time to do that.11:42
replaceafilljelkner, just replied (dumb reply btw) to your email11:42
replaceafilljelkner, speaking of uncles...11:42
mr_germanjelkner, ok11:42
replaceafillmy niece contacted me yesterday11:42
replaceafillshe wanted me to show you guys this:11:42
replaceafillif i keep bringing more talented relatives to this i should just probably make my own company /sarcasm11:43
jelknerDude, you *are* making your own company! ;-)11:44
jelknerNice work.  Now we need to know what she charges.11:44
jelknerWe need a graphics person badly.11:44
replaceafillhow much do you usually pay your students for this kind of work?11:45
jelknerCan we ask her if she can do the two (or perhaps three) banner images for Celina and Elizabeth's websites?11:45
replaceafill5, 10, 20?11:45
replaceafilljelkner, sure11:45
replaceafilli'll call her and ask11:45
jelknerdoes mr_german know her?11:46
jelkneri usually pay $20 for someone like daniella that has real skills11:46
replaceafillyes, they're cousins11:46
jelkner$10 is only for learners, not doers.11:46
jelknerlet's see if we can recruit her!11:46
replaceafillin fact, mr_german is selling NOVA around11:47
replaceafillrecruiting actually11:47
jelknernow we need to tighten our skills a bit more, get our work flow down smoothly, and market the hell out of ourselves!11:47
jelknerthat's the mission of this Summer11:48
mr_germanjelkner, sorry If I don't respond immediately, I'm working on our portfolio11:50
replaceafilljelkner, we can talk a bit more next week, but i'm not a fan of the clockin mechanism :(11:51
replaceafillimho it's better to educate developers to track their time using whatever method is more convenient for them, i use a simple text file11:51
replaceafill+ JIRA tempo plugin11:52
* mr_german is away from keyboard.11:54
jelknerreplaceafill, i'm just trying to make things easy, and to accomplish several things at once.11:58
replaceafilljelkner, i know11:59
jelkneri need to know when mr_german generally works, so i can collaborate with him11:59
jelknerhaving those of us working together in the habit of logging on here will be a huge help11:59
jelknerso we don't have to go looking for each other.11:59
jelknerwe know where to find each other quickly12:00
jelknerthe fact is most of us are not tracking our hours12:00
jelknermr_german is, but the rest are not12:00
jelkneri don't have the time (like you have with him) to watch over them and make sure they are tracking their hours12:01
replaceafilli don't do it anymore12:01
replaceafillhe's on autopilot about that12:01
jelknerif they do it here, it is super light weight for me, and transparent to all of us12:01
jelknerso we can learn from each other12:01
replaceafillhe has seen the benefit already12:01
jelknerand the cost is near zero12:02
jelknerso what's the downside?12:02
jelknerbtw. i will fix the web template to include your suggestions12:02
replaceafilljelkner, my point is that you can't rely on an automatic tool and expect accuracy12:02
replaceafilltypos happen, people forget doing things, etc12:02
jelknerfair enough, but right now we got almost nothing12:02
jelknerit's got to be better than that12:03
jelknerand it really isn't an automatic tool12:03
replaceafillwe need a "manager"12:03
replaceafilli think12:03
replaceafillsomeone who's on top of things like that12:03
jelknerwell we can't afford one12:03
jelknerso let's do the best we can for now12:03
replaceafilleventually one of us will become one12:03
replaceafillimho if mr_german method is working he should not replace it12:04
replaceafilltry both maybe12:04
jelknerboth is good12:04
jelkneri agree12:04
jelkneragain, this one has near zero cost12:04
jelknersince he needs to be here anyway12:05
jelknerif he has another method he is using that works, he can keep doing that12:05
jelknerthat will put him in the best position to evaluate both methods and make recommendations to the rest of us12:05
jelknerwe just learning at this point12:06
jelknerbeing the very young enterprise that we are12:06
jelknerover time, i'm sure we will settle down on some agreed upon best practices and change will then proceed more slowly12:06
jelknerin the mean time, i am trying my best to be the unpaid manager we need12:07
jelknerthis will help me12:07
replaceafilli'll try to keep my mouth shout ;)12:08
jelknernot at all, my good friend12:08
jelknerwe are a cooperative12:08
jelknerthis is how we work things out12:08
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ubuntouristOnly on for a short time. I'm going to be running off to lunch and HacDC soon.12:45
jelknerubuntourist, you can imagine how excited i was by the staff meeting yesterday!12:47
jelknerlet's see where it goes12:47
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jelknerMuy bien, vamos a tener dos Cernas ;-)14:24
mr_germanI'm Cerna too!14:24
jelknerReally, mr_german?14:42
jelknerI have you listed with a different last name, Fernando14:43
jelknerMy contact info is wrong I guess14:43
jelknermore importantly at the moment, mr_german, replaceafill, i just shared with natalia14:44
jelknerI'm assuming she doesn't read English?14:45
jelknerIf not, can you two please be responsible for presenting the problem to her so she can understand it.14:45
mr_germanjelkner, she can speak and read english14:45
jelknerok, still, it may be good to touch base with her to make sure she knows what we need14:46
replaceafilljelkner, i talked to her on the phone this morning and explained it14:46
replaceafillhopefully we'll see her reply soon14:47
jelkneri think for Celina's site, we just need to take that Capitol image and crop it into three different images (moving the Dome to the left or right and away from the top of her head! ;-)14:47
jelknerreplaceafill, i did see her reply14:47
mr_germanjelkner, she coming right now to my house14:48
mr_germanwe going to talk about this14:48
jelknershe didn't "reply to all"14:48
mr_germanwe are*14:48
jelknerfolks need to learn to do that14:48
jelkneri can forward it to you14:48
replaceafilljelkner, ah crap14:48
replaceafilli forgot to insist on that14:48
replaceafilli will next time :)14:48
replaceafilljelkner, please fwd it14:48
jelknerit's ok, replaceafill, we are all learning! ;-)14:49
replaceafillmr_german, please remember her about reply all14:49
mr_germanreplaceafill, ok!14:49
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jelknermr_german, one step at a time, but irc comes at some point ;-)14:51
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mr_germanjelkner, I just talked with Natalia about the header for Celina and Elizabeth15:19
mr_germanjelkner, I'll send her the images15:19
mr_germanjelkner, and she'll work on that!15:19
replaceafillmr_german, could you please send her the link to the IRC logs?15:20
mr_germanjelkner, Sure!15:20
replaceafilland explain her to review them regularly to see our converstaions15:20
replaceafilli'm not jelkner! >:(15:20
replaceafilli wish i was 0 :)15:21
jelknerand my biggest, deepest aspiration is to be replaceafill! ;-)15:21
mr_germanreplaceafill, Sorry my bad15:21
mr_germanI told her to do "reply all" in all the messages15:25
replaceafillmr_german, thanks!15:32
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jelknermr_german, what is your github user?17:03
mr_germanjelkner, GFbot17:04
jelkneri am trying to assign an issue to you17:04
mr_germanjelkner, 17:14
jelkneri just assigned the issue to you17:14
jelknerand we have another another task17:14
mr_germanjelkner, I think you created the issue on the wrong repository?17:14
mr_germanjelkner, this is our website repository :
mr_germanor I'm wrong?17:15
jelknerno, you're right17:16
jelknermjsir911 just told me17:16
jelkneri'm fixing it17:16
mr_germanjelkner, ok17:16
jelknermr_german, stay tuned for an email.17:18
mr_germanjelkner, Ok I'll work on that tonight17:20
jelknerwe need a good spanish translation as well17:26
jelkneremail sent17:26
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jelknerbtw. I made another commit to bring the templates to replaceafill's standards17:43
replaceafillreplaceafill's standards! pffft17:56
replaceafilli wish replaceafill had some standards...17:56
replaceafilljelkner, thanks for introducing Natalia to Celina17:57
replaceafilljelkner, btw, who's taking care of creating Celina's new email?17:57
jelkneri was waiting for ubuntourist to weigh-in on that, since he is the one who helped mjsir911 get this to work with our email addresses17:59
replaceafillah you're thinking of using the same approach18:00
jelknerremember, replaceafill, i'm just the unpaid manager. you and ubuntourist are the ones with the skills18:01
replaceafillwith the unpaid skills? :D18:01
jelknerwe need to teach mjsir911 and amanuel as well18:01
replaceafillher domain is not resolved by webfaction though18:01
replaceafill(it seems)18:01
jelkneri purchased the dns18:02
jelknerso i have that on tierranet18:02
replaceafillah ok18:02
jelknerand so do you all, since i've shared that account with everyont18:02
replaceafilljelkner, seems possible
jelknerThis is a good night for this, since mattva01 is here18:06
replaceafillggrr wrong link18:06
replaceafilli'm reading "What email services are offered by TierraNet?"18:07
replaceafill"Email Forward: Also known as an email alias, email forwards allow you to create an email address such as and have email sent to that address instantly forward to a destination of your choice. This destination can be any valid email address, whether it be an account at TierraNet, an account at your ISP, etc. The sender will not know that the email is being forwarded."18:07
replaceafillso maybe it can be done there too18:07
jelknercheck out elkner.net18:07
replaceafillyou're telling me that you're WAY too busy?18:08
mjsir911It will definitely work on teirranet, we have the same setup as our website, novawebdevelopment.org18:08
jelknerwe can assign this to mjsir911, who can ask his mentor18:08
jelknerso you don't have to worry about it, replaceafill18:09
jelkneri wasn't trying to dump it on you18:09
* mr_german working on celina's page header with Natalia18:13
mr_germanjelkner, do you want a slideshow with CSS for our portfolio?18:16
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mr_germanjelkner, are you around?19:12
jelkneri am19:13
jelknerbut i'm in my geek meetup19:13
mr_germanjelkner, I'll try to get both sites ready, and then I'll work on our portfolio19:38
mr_germanjelkner, sounds good for you?19:38
jelkneri'm back19:38
mr_germanWelcome back , jelkner ;-)19:38
jelkneri'm a bit confused by natalia's email19:39
jelknerlet's talk a bit about that before you get started19:39
jelknerwe need to keep this fairly simple19:39
jelknercelina is very busy19:39
mr_germanI know19:39
jelknerlike we were saying, we can't make her have to answer too many questions19:39
jelkneror we are not serving her well19:39
jelknerwhen we're really humming along, we will learn to "read" our customers and make suggestions to them they will like19:40
jelknerwhy did she say the image with the Capitol was no good?19:40
jelknerThe pictures she sent aren't from anywhere near here, so I'm confused19:41
jelknerWe are near DC19:41
mr_germanjelkner, Oh19:41
jelknerThe Capitol is an image that represents our area19:41
jelknerI was hoping just to try to cut part of this19:41
jelknerbut she is saying that won't work19:42
mr_germanjelkner, let me talk with her about that19:42
mr_germanjelkner, I talking with her right now!19:43
mr_germanjelkner, Ok, we going to use The Capitol "again" 19:44
mr_germanwe are*19:44
jelknermr_german, great, thanks!20:59
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