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| jelkner | !remind Discuss NEA4OR Logo and website | 08:52 |
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| jelkner | !remind Talk about business plan and timeline | 12:33 |
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| remindBot | Discuss github work flow for nea4or website | 19:00 |
| remindBot | Discuss NEA4OR Logo and website | 19:00 |
| remindBot | Look into Modernizr (https://modernizr.com/) for feature detection and legacy browser support? | 19:00 |
| remindBot | Talk about business plan and timeline | 19:00 |
| jelkner | Any second now the remindBot will speak ;-) | 19:00 |
| jelkner | Good evening everyone! | 19:00 |
| replaceafill | hi everyone | 19:00 |
| Rena_ | hi | 19:00 |
| louisea | hello. Good evening | 19:00 |
| nrcerna | Hello! | 19:00 |
| jelkner | There were a few nuts and bolts items on the list, but since i fear our agenda is too long, are folks ok with starting with the most generally important item? | 19:01 |
| jelkner | which is business plan and timeline | 19:01 |
| louisea | That sounds good to me. | 19:01 |
| Rena_ | sure | 19:01 |
| replaceafill | +1 | 19:01 |
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| jelkner | So, i would say we are *approaching* the level of marketable skills we need to be a properly professional outfit | 19:02 |
| mr_german_mobile | Hello | 19:02 |
| louisea | Hi German | 19:03 |
| jelkner | we also have a limited amount of financial resources to keep going the way we are going | 19:03 |
| jelkner | hi mr_german | 19:03 |
| mr_german_mobile | Hello | 19:03 |
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| jelkner | i've told mr_german and z0nny that i can only support their internships until the end of august | 19:04 |
| jelkner | louisea told me that he will actually have more time available beginning in september | 19:04 |
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| ubuntourist | Sorry 'bout that. | 19:04 |
| jelkner | i just found out from replaceafill that he will have much more availability during the next few months | 19:05 |
| jelkner | since he won't have another job ;-) | 19:05 |
| replaceafill | starting on august to be specific | 19:05 |
| jelkner | descussing this with him, i'm thinking that i should do what it takes to keep us going until november | 19:06 |
| ubuntourist | Catching up (reading the log): I was just thinking about Modernizr for Patrick's site. | 19:07 |
| jelkner | by then, we need to be pretty much generating enough revenue to keep us going | 19:07 |
| Rena_ | louis got me a paid gig to redo a childcare site that is moving away from wordpress | 19:07 |
| jelkner | sweet! | 19:07 |
| jelkner | that's what we need | 19:07 |
| jelkner | more and more of those | 19:07 |
| louisea | and I discussed with Rena some other options and drafted a solicitation letter for her to look at | 19:08 |
| jelkner | so Rena_, you will get experience keeping track of your time, invoicing, etc. | 19:08 |
| jelkner | beautiful | 19:08 |
| jelkner | louisea, please share that with all of us | 19:08 |
| louisea | will do. | 19:08 |
| ubuntourist | Rena_ the result of the meeting louisea and I attended, I presume. | 19:08 |
| Rena_ | yeah, well short after | 19:09 |
| louisea | ubuntourist, yes | 19:09 |
| jelkner | so this is great, websters! | 19:09 |
| jelkner | we are moving forward on a few different fronts | 19:10 |
| louisea | and I was thinking, that in order to support someone like Rena_ for a year with these types of 2 week jobs at $20.00/hr. we we need to get like 4 of them a month | 19:10 |
| Rena_ | I thought it was 30 :( :P | 19:10 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, I've nudged, but additional nudging re: Gallaudet's message about budgeting. | 19:10 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, and we are still looking into national hospital, yes? | 19:11 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, I contacted Patrick, telling him my "download everything" commands missed stuff. I'm awaiting a thumb drive from him. | 19:12 |
| * jelkner thinks that louisea and Rena_ need to talk about how much they are charging | 19:12 | |
| jelkner | and come to some agreement | 19:12 |
| ubuntourist | I was thinking about tools like modernizr + tidy to see how much auto-cleanup is possible. | 19:12 |
| Rena_ | louis, do you want to meet on the phone after this to discuss getting started? | 19:13 |
| jelkner | any idea when you will decide if we can do it? | 19:13 |
| ubuntourist | (It may be time to revisit my meager BeautifulSoup skills.) | 19:13 |
| louisea | Rena_, sounds good | 19:13 |
| Rena_ | just call me at 703-508-0293 when the meetings over | 19:14 |
| jelkner | and i'll stay here with mr_german, z0nny, and ncerna to talk about the projects they are working on | 19:14 |
| mr_german_mobile | Ok | 19:14 |
| jelkner | that way we don't have to take up everyone's time with details that they don't need | 19:14 |
| mjsir911 | I have to go soon, is there anything on the agenda that I have to be here for that we could do? | 19:15 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911 Gallaudet estimate? | 19:15 |
| louisea | and here is a link to the draft solicitation letters: https://drive.google.com/open?id=19G3tHhIKffa2qoSAhjdYEhBq5I8xnir2JcDg9FX6iM0 | 19:15 |
| mjsir911 | huh? | 19:15 |
| Rena_ | thats for me | 19:16 |
| jelkner | mjsir911, you should be checking in with ubuntourist | 19:16 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911 e-mail sent earlier today: Gallaudet wants to to know how much money we're going to eat by Sept 30. | 19:16 |
| mjsir911 | Oh right I got that | 19:16 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911 check your inbox. | 19:16 |
| mjsir911 | Oh 9 hours a week at the current rate we're going | 19:17 |
| jelkner | so mjsir911 and ubuntourist, it is most important that you two be able to estimate things like that | 19:17 |
| replaceafill | nice letter(s) louisea | 19:17 |
| mjsir911 | 170 hours | 19:17 |
| mjsir911 | From some quick math | 19:18 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911 OK. I'll give 'em that. | 19:18 |
| louisea | thank you replaceafill | 19:18 |
| mjsir911 | Yep gtg bye | 19:18 |
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| jelkner | any other issues regarding outreach and serving current customers? | 19:19 |
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| louisea | jelkner, not yet | 19:19 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, are you receiving mail sent to the novawebdevelopment.com address? | 19:20 |
| jelkner | i believe i am | 19:20 |
| jelkner | the only other thing i have is to talk about next week | 19:21 |
| jelkner | i'll be at the NEA Convention, and will probably be unable to attend | 19:21 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner: The last thing I sent was in response to today's NEA Our Revolution message from you. | 19:21 |
| jelkner | does anyone want to take charge of that meeting, or should we ask replaceafill again? | 19:21 |
| jelkner | yes, ubuntourist, i got it | 19:22 |
| jelkner | volunteers? | 19:22 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner excellent. Just making sure. | 19:22 |
| jelkner | it is really important to meet each week | 19:22 |
| jelkner | and to try to be here | 19:22 |
| louisea | anyone who knows about the technical work would be best. But I'll give an update from my side of things | 19:23 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, can you do it again? | 19:23 |
| replaceafill | sure | 19:23 |
| jelkner | thanks | 19:23 |
| jelkner | i'll be sure to read the logs | 19:23 |
| jelkner | that works well | 19:24 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we should discuss the agenda by the end of the week if possible | 19:24 |
| replaceafill | will you be around? | 19:24 |
| jelkner | i'll be available on thursday | 19:24 |
| jelkner | the convention starts on friday | 19:24 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 19:24 |
| jelkner | and ends on july 5th | 19:24 |
| replaceafill | we can use email too | 19:25 |
| jelkner | so i won't be reliably available again until july 6th | 19:25 |
| replaceafill | but i'll just ask for brief updates | 19:25 |
| replaceafill | (if nothing else comes up) | 19:25 |
| jelkner | great | 19:25 |
| jelkner | i think things will start coming up more and more | 19:25 |
| jelkner | as we get more customers, we will need to check our workflow, technical challenges, communications, etc. | 19:26 |
| jelkner | not to mention checking in with each other to make sure we are having fun! ;-) | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | :) | 19:26 |
| jelkner | ok, if no one has anything else, let's end now | 19:27 |
| Rena_ | fun? with IRC? naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah | 19:27 |
| jelkner | lol | 19:27 |
| jelkner | yes, Rena_, irc is a blast! | 19:27 |
| Rena_ | a blast in my ass | 19:27 |
| mr_german | :D? | 19:27 |
| * jelkner drops the bag of gravel | 19:27 | |
| replaceafill | thanks everybody | 19:28 |
| jelkner | see you in 2 weeks, everyone | 19:28 |
| mr_german | o/ | 19:28 |
| louisea | alright. See you all later. Have a good time! | 19:28 |
| jelkner | mr_german, z0nny, ncerna, can we check in on the projects you are working on? | 19:28 |
| zOnny | I just made some changes to your weblog jelkner don´t forget push it. | 19:28 |
| louisea | Rena_ want to give me a call now? I'm free | 19:28 |
| Rena_ | yeah sure | 19:28 |
| nrcerna | bye! jelkner | 19:28 |
| jelkner | ncerana, don't go yet | 19:29 |
| jelkner | z0nny, i did a pull a 1/2 hour ago and didn't see anything new | 19:29 |
| zOnny | try again | 19:29 |
| jelkner | then i added a new blog entry and pushed | 19:29 |
| nrcerna | Ok :) | 19:29 |
| zOnny | o.O? | 19:30 |
| jelkner | let me start with nea4or and then talk about ABlog | 19:30 |
| * ubuntourist bows out. | 19:30 | |
| jelkner | later ubuntourist | 19:30 |
| jelkner | the new url is now up and running: nea4or.us | 19:31 |
| jelkner | oh, replaceafill, we will need your advice on this | 19:31 |
| replaceafill | sure | 19:31 |
| jelkner | https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0Bxq50A7-FeDXRFBvUjhpWUQ4NVE | 19:32 |
| jelkner | this is what the website looks like in IE | 19:32 |
| mr_german | jelkner, GRID is not supported in IE | 19:33 |
| jelkner | yes, mr_german, *a lot* of things are not supported in IE! :-( | 19:33 |
| mr_german | https://caniuse.com/#search=grid | 19:33 |
| jelkner | it was brought to my attention when i was on the phone with the secretary of my local union and she had trouble understanding the site | 19:34 |
| jelkner | so, the question is, how do we handle this situation? | 19:34 |
| jelkner | we have limited resources, so i don't want to spend too much on IE compatibility | 19:35 |
| jelkner | but this *may* be the right time to look into some of the javascript tools available to handle things like this | 19:36 |
| jelkner | i would only want to do that if we could keep them *loosely coupled* to our site. | 19:36 |
| replaceafill | loosely coupled? | 19:37 |
| jelkner | what i mean by that is that they should not interfere with the proper functioning of the site on supported browsers without the | 19:37 |
| jelkner | them | 19:37 |
| jelkner | don't modify the website so that it requires the fix | 19:37 |
| jelkner | from what i've read, that's the way they are supposed to work | 19:38 |
| jelkner | you have something that checks for availablility of a feature, and mimics it only if it is unavailable | 19:38 |
| replaceafill | correct | 19:38 |
| replaceafill | but you're using the detect feature | 19:39 |
| replaceafill | so it's not decoupled, right? | 19:39 |
| jelkner | maybe i'm using that term wrong | 19:39 |
| jelkner | what i mean is, the site should be such that later when we no longer need / want IE support, we can just remove the js and things will work nicely | 19:40 |
| jelkner | so here is my question for you, replaceafill: | 19:40 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, zOnny, check https://github.com/FremyCompany/css-grid-polyfill | 19:41 |
| replaceafill | (it's not the only polyfill for that btw) | 19:41 |
| jelkner | given that understanding this is probably important for our young developers, but weighing the limits of our resources | 19:41 |
| jelkner | how much time should mr_german spend trying to get this to work? | 19:41 |
| replaceafill | what version of IE should be the target? | 19:42 |
| jelkner | i think IE8 | 19:42 |
| replaceafill | ok | 19:42 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, do you have access to IE8, IE9 and Edge? | 19:42 |
| jelkner | ncerna, have you had a chance to look at the website? | 19:42 |
| * jelkner had to create a vm with windows 7 today so he could get that screenshot :-( | 19:43 | |
| replaceafill | for reference this exists: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/ | 19:43 |
| replaceafill | it's not full windows, but allow you to test | 19:44 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, just Edge | 19:44 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, so that should be step 1: try to get the IE vms to work | 19:44 |
| replaceafill | otherwise you won't be able to see anything | 19:44 |
| jelkner | ncerna, are you here? | 19:44 |
| nrcerna | Ok ill do it now jelkner | 19:44 |
| jelkner | nea4or.us | 19:45 |
| jelkner | i had to ask mr_german to shrink your logo, to the point where its a bit hard to read | 19:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'd start by testing the site with a polyfill | 19:45 |
| nrcerna | K, is open now jelkner | 19:46 |
| jelkner | he didn't want to do it, but i forced him ;-) | 19:46 |
| mr_german | lol | 19:46 |
| jelkner | i'm wondering if you can do something to keep the size but improve the readability? | 19:46 |
| replaceafill | did you guys tried the svg version of the logo? | 19:46 |
| nrcerna | lol | 19:46 |
| replaceafill | wasn't that the point of requesting svg? | 19:47 |
| jelkner | perhaps a wee bit larger "Members for" with more black border? | 19:47 |
| jelkner | yes, replaceafill | 19:47 |
| replaceafill | why not use svg in supported browsers? | 19:47 |
| jelkner | but i don't think that will solve the problem here | 19:47 |
| replaceafill | hhhmm ok | 19:47 |
| jelkner | we should, but we still have some design issues that won't go away | 19:47 |
| jelkner | "Members for" is too small and light at this resolution | 19:48 |
| jelkner | svg won't fix that | 19:48 |
| jelkner | "Revolution" should also stand out a bit more | 19:48 |
| jelkner | with a thicker border | 19:48 |
| jelkner | i think | 19:48 |
| replaceafill | so now that you have a working website nrcerna should adjust accordingly | 19:48 |
| replaceafill | with mr_german's help ofc | 19:49 |
| nrcerna | x2 | 19:49 |
| jelkner | precisely! | 19:49 |
| mr_german | x2? | 19:49 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, mr_german can you take care of that? | 19:49 |
| jelkner | "NEA" and "Our" look great | 19:49 |
| nrcerna | yes | 19:49 |
| jelkner | thanks | 19:49 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, how are we doing on funds? | 19:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, low | 19:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i was going to send an email about that | 19:50 |
| replaceafill | after the meeting | 19:50 |
| jelkner | OK, i'm waiting for a loan to clear | 19:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 19:50 |
| nrcerna | may i use "members for" on black ? | 19:50 |
| jelkner | should be tomorrow or thursday | 19:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, thanks | 19:50 |
| jelkner | ncerna, you're the artist | 19:50 |
| jelkner | we don't want to restrict your freedom too much | 19:50 |
| jelkner | so have at it | 19:50 |
| jelkner | i'll tell you if i like it | 19:50 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, the only constraint here is size/ratio | 19:51 |
| replaceafill | of the logo on desktop | 19:51 |
| replaceafill | on mobile the logo displays fully | 19:51 |
| replaceafill | so jelkner i think we could use modernizr to do what you want | 19:52 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, I'm downloading IE8 vm right now | 19:52 |
| replaceafill | i don't think we won't get it so clean at the beginning | 19:52 |
| replaceafill | but we can iterate | 19:52 |
| replaceafill | until it's unpluggable | 19:53 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, and then what's next? | 19:53 |
| jelkner | nice, z0nny! | 19:53 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, try to use any grid polyfill | 19:53 |
| replaceafill | to see how that looks | 19:53 |
| replaceafill | WITHOUT CHANGING ANY EXISTING CODE | 19:54 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, just add the polyfill and test in each browser | 19:54 |
| replaceafill | read the docs ofc | 19:54 |
| jelkner | z0nny, i like your choice of shading and colors | 19:54 |
| jelkner | but now: | 19:54 |
| jelkner | 1. make the main area dynamic size, not fixed | 19:55 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, check https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/wiki/HTML5-Cross-Browser-Polyfills | 19:55 |
| replaceafill | there's a grid section | 19:55 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, use both | 19:55 |
| jelkner | 2. check out the font sizes of the headings to that "Jelkner's Weblog" stays inside the nav section | 19:55 |
| jelkner | and "Welcome to Jeffrey Elkner’s Weblog!" fits on one line | 19:56 |
| jelkner | got that, z0nny? | 19:56 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, ok | 19:57 |
| zOnny | I got it | 19:57 |
| jelkner | great | 19:57 |
| jelkner | so i think that's everything | 19:57 |
| jelkner | enough to keep you all busy for the next week | 19:57 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so what's the timeline for these changes? | 19:57 |
| zOnny | modernizr I great tool. | 19:58 |
| jelkner | z0nny, once you get those things done, check in with mr_german to see what he has learned about polyfills | 19:58 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, the convention begins friday | 19:58 |
| zOnny | Ok jelkner | 19:58 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, If I stuck with something I'll send you an email or I'll call you | 19:58 |
| jelkner | it would be soooo nice if it could be ready by then | 19:58 |
| mr_german | I get* | 19:58 |
| jelkner | but the logo is more important then the polyfill | 19:59 |
| jelkner | since most folks will not be using IE | 19:59 |
| replaceafill | ok | 19:59 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, nrcerna i'll let you coordinate that | 19:59 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, concentrate on that first | 19:59 |
| nrcerna | Got it | 19:59 |
| replaceafill | try to have something by thursday | 19:59 |
| jelkner | sweet | 19:59 |
| replaceafill | to show jelkner and get feedback before he leaves on friday | 19:59 |
| mr_german | oka | 19:59 |
| nrcerna | k | 19:59 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, mr_german sounds ok? | 19:59 |
| replaceafill | kk | 20:00 |
| replaceafill | thanks! | 20:00 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, i'll replenish the bank on thursday and check in with you | 20:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 20:00 |
| nrcerna | thaks to you ;) | 20:00 |
| jelkner | alrighty, thanks folks! | 20:00 |
| replaceafill | thanks everybody | 20:00 |
| jelkner | wish me luch at the nea convention. | 20:00 |
| replaceafill | good luch :P | 20:00 |
| nrcerna | :D | 20:00 |
| replaceafill | have fun! | 20:01 |
| mr_german | :D? | 20:01 |
| * jelkner goes to eat | 20:01 | |
| * mr_german peace o/ | 20:01 | |
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