IRC log of #novawebdev for Thursday, 2018-03-29

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jelknerACTION heads out for coffee. bb in 30 minutes09:27
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jelknerACTION is back, coffee in hand09:47
jelknergood morning, replaceafill 09:48
replaceafillgood morning jelkner09:48
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jelknergood morning, nrcerna!09:58
jelknerwe're only missing zOnny09:58
nrcernaGood morning jelkner 09:58
jelknerperhaps i should give him a call?09:58
jelknerthis shouldn't take too long once we get started09:59
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jelknerthere he is09:59
jelknerright on time!09:59
jelknerzOnny, i was about to call you09:59
zOnnyHello World!09:59
replaceafillhello everybody09:59
jelknerok, let's knock this out10:00
nrcernaHello zOnny  10:00
jelknernrcerna, we need a nice design for an ID card10:00
jelknerand we want the cards generated from tendenci10:00
jelknerthe requirements are that we print on that paper i told you about10:00
jelknerand that the data come from our members list10:01
jelknerhow should we proceed?10:01
nrcernaHow many members you have on the list? jelkner 10:02
jelknernone, nrcerna10:02
jelknersince we can't start enrolling them until we have this system setup10:02
jelkner(a chicken and egg problem :-(10:02
jelkneractually, we can sign up members beginning april 8th10:03
jelknerafter the next board meetng10:03
nrcernaI see...10:03
jelknersince the board has to approve a process10:03
jelknerbut regardless, we need IDs10:03
jelknerwhy do you need actual members to make that?10:04
jelknercouldn't you, zOnny, replaceafill, and mr_german be our members for the development process?10:04
jelknerACTION can't think of a better group of members! ;-)10:04
replaceafilljelkner, i don't even think we need "real members" for the ID card development process10:05
jelknersounds fine to me, replaceafill10:05
zOnnywe should vote jelkner10:05
replaceafillwe just need the data the card should hae10:05
jelknerwe could have the Scratch Cat10:05
jelknerThe GNU10:05
nrcernawe can do a editable PDF and then you out the name on it10:06
jelkneranyway, the main issue is the design10:06
replaceafillnrcerna, why editable?10:06
jelkneri wanted to talk with you first, and then order the paper i sent you10:06
jelknernrcerna, what do you need from me?10:08
nrcernaI need to know , wat do you want in this cards?10:08
jelknerhold on...10:09
nrcernaAbout, design references or colors, as you did it with "NoVa wall poster"10:10
nrcernaI was thinking about fill the name replaceafill 10:10
replaceafillnrcerna, the info in the cards should come out of Tendenci10:11
replaceafillnrcerna, there's no need for the human operator to input any data10:11
replaceafilljelkner, i have a question10:12
replaceafilljelkner, about the printing process10:12
replaceafilljelkner, are you going to use any third party software in the mix?10:12
replaceafilljelkner, like in the video you showed me a few weeks ago10:13
jelknernot unless it is free software10:13
jelknerthat's the point, replaceafill 10:13
replaceafilljelkner, i know, but what i mean is10:13
jelknerwhen they asked if i wanted to purchase the software10:13
jelkneri said no10:13
replaceafilljelkner, you're just getting "special" sheets of paper for printing?10:13
jelknernothing special from the software point of view10:14
replaceafilljelkner, so as long as we spit a A4 or LETTER page pdf from Tendenci10:14
jelknerthey are perforated, so you need to print on the right part of the sheet10:14
replaceafilljelkner, that would work10:14
jelknernot A4 or LETTER10:14
jelknerhold on10:14
replaceafillzOnny, nrcerna the tricky part for the design10:15
replaceafillzOnny, nrcerna is that Tendenci uses a library10:15
replaceafillzOnny, nrcerna that translates HTML into PDF10:15
replaceafillzOnny, for reference:
zOnnyyou need to teach me that replaceafill10:15
nrcernaI didnt know that!!10:16
replaceafillnrcerna, so don't get too fancy on backgrounds, gradients or shiny stuff10:16
replaceafillnrcerna, at least in the beginning10:16
jelknerThis is the paper10:16
replaceafillnrcerna, zOnny neither of us have much experience doing this so this should be an iterative process10:16
jelknerwe want something really simple10:17
jelknera photo in the upper left10:17
jelknerPhone Number10:17
jelknernext to that10:17
jelknerthen some kind of NOVALACIRO ID #10:17
jelkneron the bottom, i think10:18
jelknerfinially, i was thinking we want our logo in the upper right10:18
jelknerbut small10:18
jelknerreplaceafill is absolutely right10:18
jelknerwe want a white background10:18
jelknerto save on the expense of ink10:18
jelknerit will get really expensive to print them otherwise10:19
jelknerthe printable area is the size of a credit card10:19
jelknerwith is removable from the custome sheets10:19
replaceafillbut the sheet is a bit bigger: 4" x 6"10:19
jelknerto the sheets are just fed into a regular inkjet printer10:20
jelknerand we need to print on the correct part of the sheet10:20
jelknerthen remove the id card part and laminate it10:20
jelkneri called the store and talked to a person there10:21
jelknershe told me we can print on both sides10:21
jelknerdon't worry about the back now10:21
jelknerwe are planning on putting the logos of businesses that support us10:21
jelknerand offer a discount for the card10:21
nrcernaOk,you make it clear :) 10:21
nrcernaThats sounds good! jelkner 10:22
jelkneri'm trying to ;-)10:22
replaceafilljelkner, about the NOVALACIRO ID10:22
jelkneryes, replaceafill?10:22
replaceafilljelkner, shouldn't that be a field we store?10:22
jelkneryou mean the pdf?10:22
replaceafilljelkner, no Tendenci10:22
replaceafilljelkner, the membership form won't have it obviously10:23
replaceafilljelkner, but the admin should set it for each member ,correct?10:23
jelknerwhat do you mean by "that"?10:23
jelknerseems like a pronoun without an antecedent to me ;-)10:23
replaceafilljelkner, i mean, we don't have a field for it in the Tendenci instance10:23
jelknerwhat do you mean by "it"?10:24
jelkneri'm still confused10:24
replaceafilljelkner, sorry10:24
replaceafilljelkner, we don't have a field for the NOVALACIRO ID in the Tendenci instance10:24
jelknerahhh, a member id10:24
replaceafillNOVALACIRO ID #10:24
jelkneryes, that will be a required field10:24
jelknerwe haven't talked about what it looks like10:24
replaceafilljelkner, but the member won't know it when they join, right?10:25
replaceafilljelkner, the admin should set *it*?10:25
jelkneror the system10:25
replaceafilljelkner, Tendenci sets one10:25
jelknerseems like the simplest approach would be a 5 numberic digit field beginning at 0000110:26
replaceafilljelkner, oh ok10:26
replaceafilljelkner, i think we can use Tendenci's then10:26
jelknerthat way, you have the "honor" of having a low number10:26
jelknerand being an early supporter10:26
replaceafilljelkner, hhmm i'll look10:26
jelknerone of the first to join10:26
replaceafilljelkner, by default tendenci starts at 500010:26
jelknerit's software, man10:26
replaceafilljelkner, i'll see if it's customizable10:26
replaceafilljelkner, :D10:26
replaceafilljelkner, touche ;)10:27
jelknerall you need to do is subtract 499!10:27
replaceafillok i think i'm done10:27
jelkneri like the id of starting from 110:27
jelknersince whoever has that can say "I was the first member"10:27
jelknermy credit used that approach10:28
jelkneri joined in the 1980s10:28
jelknerso my account number is really low10:28
jelknerit gives me credit with the institution10:28
jelknersince they know i am a looooong time member10:28
jelkner(it also means i'm old, but oh well ;-)10:28
replaceafillnrcerna, the name of the organization is NOVALACIRO10:29
nrcernaI need to know something 10:29
jelknerand what is that, nrcerna?10:29
nrcernaIt is okay if i show you the design at our meeting on sunday?10:30
jelknerunfortunately, i'll be in transit10:30
jelkneri'm going to visit my grandmother10:30
jelknerand will be returning on sunday10:30
replaceafilljelkner, what is your timeline for having this done?10:30
replaceafilljelkner, not ASAP please :)10:30
jelkneroh no, i won't say that10:31
replaceafilljelkner, before april 7th?10:31
jelknertan pronto que sea posible ;-)10:31
jelkneryes, before april 7th would be great10:31
replaceafillnrcerna, zOnny ok we have around 1 week10:32
replaceafillnrcerna, if you can have something by monday we could test it10:32
replaceafillnrcerna, integrating it in Tendenci10:32
replaceafillnrcerna, i'll need to do some coding10:32
jelkneri would say by april 7th only nrcerna's design needs to be ready10:32
jelknerthis shouldn't take zOnny's time now10:32
nrcernaOk monday works for me!10:32
jelknerhe needs to focus on nea4or10:32
replaceafilljelkner, oh ok10:32
replaceafilljelkner, what's the timeline for telling members to sing in?10:33
jelknerif we can, april 8th10:33
replaceafilljelkner, but the ID cards can be delivered afterwards, right?10:33
jelknerbut realistically, we won't know some details of the process until the meeting on april 710:33
jelknerso we really should be thinking a week after that10:34
replaceafilljelkner, ok10:34
replaceafilldoesn't hurt to get a head start if possible though10:34
replaceafillbut i agree10:34
jelknerlet's plan to have what we need to show the board by april 710:34
replaceafillzOnny should stay on nea4or10:34
replaceafilland i'll take this one10:34
replaceafillACTION done10:35
jelknerACTION done10:35
replaceafillnrcerna, anything else you need?10:35
nrcernaI think I'm ok wiht this information, thank you!10:35
replaceafilljelkner, date of birth?10:35
replaceafilljelkner, is not that necessary on the card?10:35
jelkneryes, i think that would be good10:35
jelknerbut be prepared to change the specific fields if the board decides otherwise10:36
replaceafilljelkner, sure10:36
replaceafillnrcerna, please add date of birth to the design10:36
replaceafillnrcerna, in a place we can easily remove it10:36
nrcernaGot it!10:36
replaceafillnrcerna, or as an optional field10:36
replaceafillnrcerna, empty10:37
jelknernrcerna, we can go through this process asynchronously (using email)10:37
jelknerwhen you have a design for the front of the ID, email it to me10:37
jelkneri'll be checking my email each day10:37
jelkneri'll give you feedback in a reply10:37
replaceafillnrcerna, and please keep zOnny and me in the loop10:38
nrcernaOk, i will do that jelkner 10:38
replaceafillwe all should be aware of how this is going10:38
jelknerand keep track of your hours10:38
jelknerlelkneralfaro needs to get a sense of the cost of doing things like this10:38
jelknerso we can look for other customers10:39
replaceafilli haven't been a good citizen filling my hours, but
replaceafilli created that sheet for that purpose10:39
nrcernaDone! replaceafill and jelkner  ;) 10:39
replaceafillthat sheet is JUST for novalaciro hours10:39
jelknerok, i have places to go and things to do today10:40
jelkneranything else before i sign off?10:40
replaceafillnothing from me10:40
replaceafillthanks everybody10:40
jelknerthanks everybody10:40
zOnnythanks everybody :)10:41
nrcernaThanks, see you soon!10:41
jelkneri'll be traveling, but you can email me with any questions10:41
jelknerwe need to move with all delibrate speed on nea4or10:41
replaceafillsafe travels jelkner10:41
jelknerdo you think it can be ready by next monday?10:42
replaceafillzOnny, are you clear on the path for nea4or?10:42
jelkner1. switch to tendenci with cms10:42
nrcernaYes jelkner 10:42
zOnnyI have deployed my cms branch replaceafill10:43
jelkner2. be ready to teach me to use it10:43
jelkneras soon as the cms and the membership form and display of members looks good10:43
jelkneri'll contact rand about sending an email blast to teachers asking the to sign up10:44
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny has finished 1. i think10:44
replaceafilljelkner, we just need to deploy it10:44
jelknerwow, really?10:44
jelknerhold on.10:44
zOnnybut a bit of guidance will help me a lot replaceafill10:44
replaceafilljelkner, i'll do that after my meeting with lelkneralfaro10:44
jelknerwill the two of you be around this afternoon?10:44
replaceafilljelkner, i will10:44
jelknerat around 2 - 3 pm my time?10:44
jelkneri can be back from my errands by then10:45
jelknerand we could meet to look at it10:45
zOnnyyep jelkner10:45
jelknersee you both at 3 pm10:46
replaceafillso 2 pm for talking new nea4or10:46
replaceafill3 pm10:46
jelknerto be safe10:46
jelknergreat, hasta entonces10:46
replaceafillsee you then jelkner10:46
jelknerACTION signs off for awhile10:46
replaceafillzOnny, i have a meeting at 11 am10:46
replaceafillzOnny, what do you need guidance with?10:46
zOnnyno worries replaceafill I will be around10:47
replaceafillzOnny, i'll deploy your branch after the meeting10:47
replaceafillzOnny, cool10:47
replaceafillzOnny, you'll need to create the boxes, pages and content in nea4or production10:47
zOnnyI got some git issues :( replaceafill10:47
replaceafillzOnny, ah ok10:47
replaceafillzOnny, meet at 12?10:48
replaceafillzOnny, to discuss that10:48
zOnnyping once you get chance replaceafill10:48
replaceafillzOnny, cool10:48
replaceafillzOnny, ttly10:48
zOnnythanks ncerna I am sure that IDs will looks good. 10:50
replaceafillzOnny, does your IRC client support the TAB key?10:50
replaceafillzOnny, try writing: repl<TAB>10:51
replaceafillzOnny, and see if it autocompletes my nick10:51
replaceafillzOnny, that way when you want to refer to someone, you just type a few letters and hit TAB10:51
zOnnyreplaceafill: lol10:51
replaceafillzOnny, that way you won't miss other people nicknames10:51
zOnnyreplaceafill: why you didn't say that before10:51
replaceafillzOnny, like nrcerna in this case :)10:51
replaceafillzOnny, sorry10:52
zOnnyreplaceafill: no worries I am learning, thanks10:52
replaceafillACTION goes to prepare for his meeting10:52
nrcernathanks zOnny 10:52
replaceafillzOnny, we can talk now11:29
zOnnyreplaceafill: are you ready ?11:33
replaceafillzOnny, ready11:34
zOnnyyep replaceafill11:34
replaceafillzOnny, i need to take the nea4or tendenci server down for a few minutes12:41
replaceafillzOnny, are you working on it atm?12:41
zOnnyreplaceafill I just finished :( but the server is death 12:43
replaceafillzOnny, it should be up now12:44
zOnnyreplaceafill: correct!12:44
replaceafillzOnny, cms is up :)12:45
replaceafillzOnny, bye bye php!'12:45
zOnnydie php die! :)12:45
replaceafillok, i think we're ready for jelkner at 3pm12:46
zOnnyreplaceafill: that ugly default admin edit page container is the same that I am working  with Novalaciro right ?12:48
replaceafillzOnny, url?12:49
replaceafillzOnny, ah yes12:51
replaceafillzOnny, it's the same problem12:51
zOnnythe admin edit page replaceafill12:51
replaceafillzOnny, yes12:51
replaceafillok, i need to go downstairs for a bit12:51
replaceafillbrb in 1012:51
zOnnyreplaceafill: sure12:51
zOnnyreplaceafill: see u then12:51
replaceafillACTION is back13:25
replaceafillzOnny, the homepage.html templates should fill the "title" block13:36
replaceafillzOnny, the page <title> for says "NEA ... Revolution |"13:36
replaceafill{% block title %}Home%{ endblock %} should do it13:37
zOnnyok , replaceafill13:40
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mr_germanhello replaceafill 13:41
replaceafillhey mr_german13:42
replaceafillmr_german, can you talk?13:42
mr_germanhang out13:42
replaceafillmr_german, yes13:43
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jelknerzOnny, replaceafill r u both here?14:54
replaceafilljelkner, i am14:55
replaceafilljelkner, the cms changes have been deployed to production14:55
replaceafilljelkner, php is no more14:55
jelknerlet's do this thing14:55
jelknerACTION goes to look14:55
replaceafilljelkner, now you're in zOnny's territory ;)14:55
replaceafillACTION watches and eats pop corn14:55
jelknerit looks wonderful!14:56
replaceafilljelkner, it does14:56
jelknerzOnny, will you be around tomorrow?14:56
jelkneri need to finish packing for my trip to nj14:56
zOnnyjelkner: yes14:56
jelknerreplaceafill, aelkner and i are having dinner with david welsh14:57
jelknerat 5 pm14:57
replaceafilljelkner, awesome! lucky you14:57
jelkneri'll say hi for you14:57
replaceafilljelkner, say a warm hello to both14:57
jelknerso zOnny, what about 1 pm tomorrow to give me a tour14:57
jelknerof the cms14:57
jelkneri'll be at my brother's house14:58
zOnnyjelkner: of course14:58
jelknerand will be able to work with you then14:58
jelknerACTION adds 1 pm w/zOnny to his calendar14:58
jelknerso that's all we needed for now14:58
replaceafilljelkner, cool14:58
jelknerwe can continue tomorrow, yes?14:59
replaceafilli'll be around i think14:59
jelknerokie dokie zOnny, tomorrow at 1 pm14:59
jelknerc u all later14:59
replaceafilllater jelkner and zOnny o/14:59
zOnnysee u jelkner 14:59
jelkneroh, zOnny, are you meeting us for dinner?14:59
jelknerwe are going to the city diner15:00
jelknerat 5 pm15:00
zOnnyjelkner: city diner?15:00
jelkner5 pm15:00
zOnnyof course! jelkner 15:00
jelknercool, c u in dos horas15:00
replaceafilllucky zOnny...15:00
jelknerACTION signs off to finish packing15:01
replaceafillACTION goes to get lunch15:01
zOnnyI hope soon get a dinner with replaceafill too15:01
replaceafillzOnny, my country kind of sucks but you're welcome if life brings you around15:01
replaceafillttyl zOnny15:01
zOnnyreplaceafill: thanks 15:02
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jelkneroh, replaceafill is not here15:23
replaceafilljelkner, im eating15:23
replaceafilljelkner, but im here15:23
replaceafilljelkner, watching pycon canada videos :)15:23
jelknercan i ask one quick question?15:23
replaceafilljelkner, sure15:23
jelknerdid you see micky's email?15:24
replaceafilljelkner, confirming mayfirst was rock solid?15:24
replaceafilljelkner, are you going to move about or do you want me to?15:24
replaceafillabout it15:24
jelknerso, do i have your approval to reach out to them about providing emails for both us and novalaciro?15:24
replaceafilljelkner, +115:24
jelknerso we don't need to rely on google anymore?15:25
jelkneri'll do that tomorrow15:25
jelknerthanks man15:25
replaceafilljelkner, it won't be "perfect" but i think it'll be better thatn we can do15:25
replaceafilljelkner, sure15:25
jelknernothing is perfect15:25
replaceafilljelkner, right15:25
jelknerwe are looking for the best we can find15:25
replaceafilljelkner, indeed15:25
jelknergo back to your meal and videos my friend15:25
replaceafilljelkner, and it'll be great to have relationship with them15:25
jelknerhasta tomorrow15:25
replaceafilljelkner, later!15:26
jelkneractually, you know i already do, right?15:26
replaceafilljelkner, 15:26
replaceafilljelkner, services?15:26
replaceafilljelkner, or just membership?15:26
jelkneremail lists15:26
replaceafilljelkner, ah15:26
jelknerwith riseup 15:26
jelknerand i send them $10 per month15:26
replaceafilljelkner, right, that's what they provide15:26
jelkneras a donation15:26
replaceafilljelkner, ah15:26
replaceafilljelkner, for our "new" list?15:26
jelknerok, i'll reach out tomorrow15:27
replaceafilljelkner, cool15:27
jelknerand talk to you after i find something out15:27
replaceafilljelkner, later15:27
mr_germanreplaceafill, how can i access to the server via ftp17:33
mr_germanI can't connect to it17:33
replaceafillmr_german, via ftp?17:33
replaceafillmr_german, why do you need ftp in 2018? :)17:33
mr_germanbut, I can't connect17:34
replaceafillmr_german, ssh?17:34
mr_germanI can via ssh17:34
mr_germanbut how can I download17:34
mr_germanthe files17:34
replaceafillmr_german, why do you need to download the files?17:35
mr_germanmy method doesn't work17:35
replaceafillmr_german, i told you to work in the server directly17:35
mr_germani know17:35
replaceafillmr_german, that's what you do with ORA, right?17:35
mr_germanbut I used to download the files17:35
mr_germanand then push them17:35
replaceafillmr_german, what files?!?!17:35
replaceafillmr_german, in the testing server for tendenci?17:35
replaceafillmr_german, you cannot connect to that via ftp either17:36
replaceafillmr_german, can i call you?17:36
replaceafillmr_german, i don't understand what you want to do17:36
replaceafillmr_german, calling your cell...17:37
mr_germancall again17:37
mr_germanreplaceafill, ;-) it works17:45
replaceafillmr_german, eeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhh17:46
replaceafillmr_german, drop windows!17:46
replaceafillmr_german, that'll teach you a few things ;)17:46
replaceafillACTION has about 17 years sober by now17:46
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