IRC log of #novawebdev for Saturday, 2018-04-07

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hrodriguezhey Diza10:19
zOnnyHey Diza 10:19
jelknerHello Diza, great to see you here!10:20
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jelknergood morning, replaceafill!11:55
replaceafillgood morning jelkner11:56
zOnnyhey replaceafill 11:56
jelkneri'm here with zOnny and hrodriguez 11:56
replaceafillhello zOnny and hrodriguez11:56
jelknerand daniela from novalaciro11:56
jelkner(but she isn't on irc at the moment)11:56
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replaceafillhello Daniela11:56
jelkner(though zOnny got her setup on her ubuntu phone so she can join us when need be)11:57
replaceafilljelkner, is the novalaciro meeting today?11:57
jelkneryes, at 4 pm11:57
hrodriguezHello!   replaceafill 11:57
replaceafilljelkner, oh ok, i was about to ask you how that went but i remembered your "tomorrow" confusion :)11:57
replaceafilljelkner, i assume we're going to wait after the meeting to talk about future novalaciro tasks11:58
jelknerso let me be really focused, and strive to be accurate11:58
jelknerhere is the scheduled for the next few days:11:58
jelkner1. novalaciro board meeting today at 4 pm11:59
jelkner2. i visit Our Revolution national office on Monday, April 10 at around 12 noon11:59
jelkner3. OR Arlington general meeting on Monday, April 10 at 7 pm12:00
jelknerso, we have three of our tendenci instances in play between now and monday12:00
jelknernovalaciro, nea4or, and or arlington12:01
replaceafilljelkner, yes12:01
jelknerany ideas on how best to prioritize zOnny's work?12:01
jelknerand you and mr_german if you have any time over the weekend12:02
replaceafilljelkner, aea?12:02
jelkneraea is very important12:02
replaceafilljelkner, i've told mr_german to wait12:02
replaceafilljelkner, until we discuss finances12:02
jelknerbut nothing will happen this weekend12:02
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replaceafilljelkner, do you have time now to go through the new designs we have?12:03
replaceafilljelkner, to get your feedback12:03
replaceafilljelkner, cool12:03
jelknerthat's what i'm here for12:03
replaceafilljelkner, keep in mind *my* priority was not to copy or get identical functionality at this first stage12:04
replaceafilljelkner, it was just for us to explore theming based on the new base theme12:04
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny was mentioning yesterday elastic design is important to you12:04
replaceafilljelkner, we can do that12:04
replaceafilljelkner, but haven't done it at this point12:05
replaceafilljelkner, and basically i want to know if you're confortable with how far/close we are12:05
jelknerwhat do you mean by "elastic design"?12:05
replaceafilljelkner, to move this to production state12:05
replaceafilljelkner, web design that uses your entire screen space12:05
replaceafilljelkner, scalable fonts, images, etc12:05
jelknerah yes12:05
replaceafilljelkner, that was not *my* priority at *this* stage12:06
jelkneri personally think fixed width designs look aweful12:06
replaceafilljelkner, i agree12:06
jelknerbut let's not let that be a show stopper12:06
replaceafilljelkner, but it seems to me that we already know how to solve that12:06
replaceafilljelkner, sure12:06
replaceafilljelkner, ok12:06
jelknerlet's back off a minute on the technical discussion12:06
replaceafilljelkner, so12:06
replaceafilljelkner, sure12:06
jelkneras zOnny and i were discussing this morning12:07
jelknerthe success of novawebdevelopment will be primarily determined by our ability to serve customer needs12:07
jelknerwhich in this case means helping organize people12:07
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jelknerso success will mean we can show large and growing databases of folks12:08
jelknerand organizations making use of these databases to accomplish there ends12:08
jelknerthat's the bottom line12:08
replaceafilljelkner, right12:08
jelknerbtw.  I printed the id card nrcerna made12:08
jelknerit looks nice12:09
replaceafilljelkner, ah great12:09
jelknerthe id maker arrives monday12:09
jelknerthe board will approve the look this evening12:09
jelknerso we can finalize that12:09
jelknerby next week, we want daniela getting members12:09
jelknerso we need our novalaciro site to support that12:09
jelkneri would say that is one of our two top priorities12:10
replaceafilljelkner, ok, just keep in mind that we're already at that point12:10
replaceafilljelkner, what changed last week was12:10
replaceafilljelkner, our decision about making the cms accessible12:10
jelkneri agree we are at that point once daniela is using what we have12:10
jelknerbut i'm with you12:10
jelknernext priority is to have nea4or using tendenci by monday12:11
replaceafilljelkner, the changes we're going to go through today are just to provide a user friendly cms12:11
jelkneror tan pronto que sea posible12:11
replaceafilljelkner, manager talking... :/12:11
replaceafilljelkner, ok12:11
replaceafilljelkner, let's get started with "our" baby12:11
replaceafilljelkner, the one that's going to have higher exposure12:12
replaceafilljelkner, i'm not sure if zOnny already showed you this already12:12
replaceafilljelkner, but here's nea4or
replaceafilljelkner, please log in as admin:admin12:12
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replaceafilljelkner, if zOnny is physically around he can explain the moving parts, boxes, pages, and navs12:13
replaceafilljelkner, to you and hrodriguez and Daniela12:13
replaceafilljelkner, that knowledge should transfer to the other instances12:14
replaceafilljelkner, you could try editing a couple of pages12:15
replaceafilljelkner, or customizing the footer or the navigation options12:15
replaceafilljelkner, this is just test data12:16
replaceafilljelkner, these instances can and should be broken12:16
replaceafilljelkner, also, if anyone wants to mess around with Tendenci12:16
replaceafilljelkner, should be the place to go12:17
replaceafilljelkner, our instances will die at some point12:17
replaceafilljelkner, tendenci's demo wont12:17
jelknerso zOnny just showd hrodriguez and me how to change this12:17
replaceafilljelkner, and because of our decision of using their theme as a base, again, the options should be similar and placed the same way12:17
jelknervery intuitive12:17
jelknerlet's get this onto the production site today12:17
jelkneri don't have time to "play"12:18
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replaceafilljelkner, between today and tomorrow ;)12:18
replaceafilljelkner, i understand12:18
jelkneri want to start making real changes on the real system12:18
replaceafilljelkner, sure12:18
replaceafilljelkner, nea4or is the first one in my list12:18
jelknerthat's how i will be able to test it12:18
replaceafilljelkner, sure12:18
replaceafilljelkner, will do12:18
replaceafilljelkner, ok, next?12:18
jelknerwe plan to train hrodriguez on this too12:18
jelknerlelkneralfaro and she can be primarily responsible for customer training12:19
replaceafilljelkner, +112:19
replaceafilljelkner, i've been pushing zOnny and mr_german to touch the cms options as less as possible12:19
replaceafilljelkner, for making customer training easier12:19
replaceafilljelkner, ok, next is novalaciro:
jelkner+1 making training easier!12:20
replaceafilljelkner, novalaciro's testing data doesn't look exactly as production12:20
replaceafilljelkner, sorry about that12:20
replaceafilljelkner, but i focused on having the bilingual options ready and tested12:20
jelknerwhen can we have that moved to production?12:21
jelknerdaniela works weekends12:21
jelknerwe have her here today12:21
replaceafilljelkner, please log in as admin, the link is at the bottom left12:21
jelknerand we want her to begin adding members as soon as possible12:21
replaceafilljelkner, is there anything you want Daniela doing today in production?12:21
jelknertwo other things about novalaciro12:21
jelkner1. we need the id thing to work12:22
replaceafilljelkner, id thing == id card?12:22
jelkner2. tenants and workers united will be a very likely user of exactly the same features12:22
jelknerid thing = id card ;-)12:22
replaceafilljelkner, the current use case is that members register themselves12:23
jelknerin math (== in python ;-)12:23
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jelknerfor novalaciro12:23
replaceafilljelkner, but Daniela could go to the production membership form and start adding people12:23
replaceafilljelkner, using their data12:23
jelknerit is more likely daniela registers people12:23
replaceafilljelkner, and since email is not enabled, i think that's fine for now12:23
replaceafilljelkner, i meant, i think that she registering with other's people data is fine12:24
replaceafilljelkner, do you agree?12:24
jelknerhang on while daniela joins us12:24
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jelknergreat, Diza is here with us12:25
DizaHi everyone12:25
replaceafillhello Diza12:25
jelknersince we want her in this conversation12:25
replaceafilljelkner, Diza so if you go to the production site (different from the testing one we were checking): https://novalaciro.org12:25
jelkneri think having Diza able to register people is even more important than for them to register themselves12:26
replaceafilljelkner, Diza needs access to this document:
jelknerin fact, since we don't have a way to pay online12:26
replaceafilljelkner, or a copy of it12:26
jelkner(and many people will be reluctant to do that anyway)12:26
jelknerno one is a member until Diza says they are12:26
jelknerwhich means they have paid their membership fee to her12:26
jelknerwe will then print their id card and they will be members12:27
jelknerso we need to support this work flow12:27
replaceafilljelkner, we need to train Diza on how to do that, maybe zOnny can help with that12:27
jelknerthe good thing is it will be similar to the aea workflow12:27
jelknerpeople can fill out a "request for membership" form12:27
replaceafilljelkner, that form is the current membership form12:28
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jelknerwhich then goes in some kind of queue for Diza (or Keri in AEA) to process12:28
replaceafilljelkner, people need Diza's approval to be able to log in, etc12:28
replaceafilljelkner, that's already in place12:28
replaceafilljelkner, what we don't support is:12:28
DizaAnd how I can do it?12:28
jelkneryou are one step ahead of me yet again!12:28
replaceafilljelkner, "admin adds new *members*"12:29
replaceafilljelkner, actually i'll research that, but i don't think that's possible12:29
replaceafilljelkner, admins can add "users"12:29
replaceafillDiza, ok12:29
replaceafillDiza, anyone can fill out that form12:30
replaceafillDiza, with anyone's information12:30
replaceafillDiza, so what i'm proposing is that you use that form to add members you already have in your list12:30
replaceafillDiza, using their data12:30
replaceafillDiza, the required fields (which are not highlighted here CC zOnny)12:31
replaceafillDiza, are first name, last name, email, username and password12:31
replaceafillDiza, for now the amount of the membership says $0.0012:31
replaceafillDiza, just to give the form ability to submit12:31
replaceafillDiza, and not care about how members will pay12:32
replaceafillDiza, but independently of that fee amount12:32
jelknerreplaceafill, we will need a field before we start that holds status12:32
replaceafilljelkner, status?12:32
jelknermembership dues will be anual12:32
replaceafilljelkner, i think they are by default12:32
jelknerso someone will fill out the form12:32
jelknerbut we need to know they have paid12:33
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jelknerand that may happen at separate times12:33
replaceafilljelkner, that's already supported12:33
replaceafilljelkner, invoices are generated12:33
replaceafilljelkner, and once a member pays, Diza can marke them as "paid"12:34
jelknerwe won't actually need invoices12:34
replaceafilljelkner, sure12:34
replaceafilljelkner, i meant in the system12:34
jelknerthat's too "formal" for this context12:34
replaceafilljelkner, so you can track who paid, etc12:34
jelknerand that supports times too, yes?12:34
replaceafilljelkner, can you share the doc i linkedd above with Diza12:34
jelknerso we can say they joined april 18, 2018, so their renewal is due april 18, 2019?12:35
replaceafilljelkner, that has the administrative credentials for this12:35
replaceafilljelkner, we need you and Diza to log in as admin12:35
replaceafilljelkner, so i can show you where that's set up12:35
jelknerreplaceafill, you need to visit with your family12:37
jelkneri think we have all we need to keep zOnny busy today12:37
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jelknerhave a nice day, my friend12:38
jelknerc u tomorrow at 11:30 am EST12:38
replaceafilljelkner, cool12:38
replaceafillthank you all12:39
replaceafillping me if you need me, i'll be around12:39
replaceafilljelkner, my plan is to move the themes to production either later today or tomorrow before our meeting12:39
replaceafilljelkner, we didn't look at the last theme12:39
jelknerlooks *great*!12:40
replaceafilljelkner, this is the one that worries me the most though12:40
jelknerfinally that brown red is fixed ;-)12:40
replaceafilljelkner, because i'm not sure how the SC will take it12:40
jelknerlet's talk tomorrow12:40
replaceafilljelkner, sure12:40
jelknerwe won't move that yet anyway12:41
replaceafilljelkner, +112:41
replaceafilljelkner, but you're fine with us moving forward with the nea4or and novalaciro, correct?12:41
jelknera BIG +112:41
replaceafilljelkner, options will move around a bit, but can be replaced after12:41
jelknerplease move them both12:41
replaceafilljelkner, will do12:41
jelknerthat's what i began with today12:42
replaceafilljelkner, tan pronto como sea posible12:42
jelknerthose are the first two12:42
jelknerlater replaceafill 12:44
jelknerc u tomorrow12:44
replaceafilllater jelkner, see you tomorrow o/12:44
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DizaI'm back12:46
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replaceafillzOnny, are you around?12:56
replaceafilljelkner, any news on the email enquiries with mayfirst or riseup?13:02
replaceafilljelkner, i can set up novalaciro to output emails to server files for now13:03
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny also i just found out you can import members in csv files, that can be helpful13:04
replaceafillzOnny, for reference:
replaceafillACTION signs off for a couple of hours13:06
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