IRC log of #novawebdev for Tuesday, 2018-04-24

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jelknerping replaceafill 11:07
jelknerGood morning, sir11:07
replaceafillgood morning jelkner11:07
jelknerdid you see my forwarded email?11:07
replaceafilljelkner, Amity's?11:07
jelkner+111:07
replaceafilljelkner, yes, i replied11:07
jelkneroh11:07
jelknermy bad11:07
replaceafilljelkner, didn't i...?11:07
jelknerACTION goes to read11:08
jelknerAhh, replaceafill, so if i want to take the software freedom stand, framedata is where it's at?11:14
replaceafilljelkner, i think so11:15
jelknerACTION thinks about whether such a feature should be added to our platform?11:15
replaceafilljelkner, i did some doodle research a few months ago when i wanted to set a schedule with mr_german and zOnny11:15
jelknerand what did your research turn up?11:16
replaceafilljelkner, well, framadate11:16
jelknerokie dokie11:16
jelknerlet me go with that11:16
replaceafilljelkner, it's not the only option, but it's the one most similar to doddle11:16
replaceafilljelkner, i have an english question11:17
jelknershoot11:17
replaceafilljelkner, is it ok to use they/their in order to avoid he/she his/her in writing?11:17
replaceafilljelkner, i'm reading the bylaws11:17
replaceafilljelkner, and started to wonder about neutral gender langugage11:18
jelkneri think so11:18
jelknerthis is more a political question then a strictly "English language" question11:18
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok11:19
jelknersince pronouns and their uses are an area of struggle11:19
replaceafilljelkner, right11:19
jelkneri'm all in favor of taking whatever stand folks are comfortable with11:19
replaceafilljelkner, i hate that in spanish we have to use "ellas y ellos"... every time you want gender neutral11:19
replaceafilljelkner, it's long and repetitive11:19
jelknermight be a good question for rena, actually, since she is likely to be up on this question11:19
replaceafilljelkner, right11:20
replaceafilljelkner, ok, it seems like we're going to start voting on things as members soon11:20
jelkneryears ago when i first encountered this question, i came up with my own11:20
jelknerper11:20
jelknerper and i went to the concert together11:21
jelkneri left the message with per11:21
replaceafilljelkner, :S11:21
jelknerbut no else uses that, so it's probably not a good idea ;-)11:21
replaceafilljelkner, :D11:21
jelkneromg, someone did think of that too! ;-)11:23
jelknerhttps://uwm.edu/lgbtrc/support/gender-pronouns/11:23
jelkneri vote for per per pers pers perself11:24
replaceafillwow11:24
jelknerlet's discuss it11:24
replaceafilljelkner, ve!11:24
replaceafilljelkner, interesting11:24
jelkneri'd be fine with that too11:24
replaceafilljelkner, always considered english like "we don't care"11:25
jelknerto be honest, i think a gender neutral pronoun is a great idea11:25
replaceafill+111:25
jelknerbut i don't have any strong feelings about which one11:25
jelknerso i wish the community (people with a greater aesthetic sense then i in these matters) would just decide so i could begin using it11:26
jelkneri don't particularly want to get caught up in a fight about it11:26
replaceafilljelkner, :)11:27
replaceafillhttps://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lle11:28
replaceafill"elles son mis hermanes, dos son varones y una es mujer"11:28
jelknermucho mas facil en espanyol!11:29
replaceafillel software libre es un derecho de todes11:29
jelkneri like it11:29
jelkner*a lot* actually11:29
jelknerok, back to work11:29
replaceafillme too11:30
replaceafillthanks jelkner11:30
replaceafillttyl11:30
jelknerACTION looks into framedata11:30
replaceafillframadate!11:30
jelknerah11:32
jelknerno wonder it wouldn't work :-(11:32
jelknerping, replaceafill 11:47
replaceafilljelkner, pong11:47
jelkneri'm reading through the bylaws11:47
jelknerwe shouldn't be "distribution ballots"11:47
jelknerwe should be using helios!11:48
jelknerdogfooding, dogfooding ;-)11:48
replaceafilljelkner, yes, i noticed that too :)11:48
replaceafilljelkner, but i wouldn't write it as that11:48
replaceafilljelkner, distributing ballots or links :D11:48
jelknerthere you go11:49
jelkneri'm also wondering given how small we are if we need a president and a secretary11:50
jelknerwhy not just one person, a "secretary president", whose main purpose with this title is to represent us with the state11:51
replaceafilljelkner, less burden on the person?11:51
jelknerbut honestly, we only have one person, louie, who is tasked with those things11:52
replaceafill+111:52
jelkneri won't be there sunday for this discussion11:54
jelknerso i want to record my concerns here11:54
jelkneri trust y'all11:54
jelknerand will be perfectly happy to go along with what y'all determine in my absence11:55
replaceafilljelkner, why not adding it to the remind bot?11:55
replaceafilljelkner, so we don't forget to discuss it11:55
jelkner!remind Should we add "links" when discussing ballots, since we will be doing it online?12:00
Big_Brother"Should we add links when discussing ballots, since we will be doing it online?" added to message queue12:00
jelkner!remind Thoughts on a gender neutral pronoun?12:00
Big_Brother"Thoughts on a gender neutral pronoun?" added to message queue12:00
jelkner!remind Can / should we combine president and secretary into secretary president?12:01
Big_Brother"Can / should we combine president and secretary into secretary president?" added to message queue12:01
jelkneri think that's all i have12:02
replaceafilljelkner, great12:03
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zOnnyhey replaceafill 13:53
replaceafillhey zOnny13:53
zOnnyone question replaceafill 13:53
zOnnywhere is the form issue that novalaciro people filled out this weekend replaceafill 13:53
zOnnythere was another form correct ?13:54
replaceafillzOnny, https://novalaciro.org/forms/13:54
replaceafillzOnny, click Entries to see the information gathered13:54
zOnnyI am here with Daniela replaceafill  checking on that form13:55
zOnnythanks replaceafill 13:55
replaceafillzOnny, cool13:55
replaceafillzOnny, let me know if you have questions13:55
replaceafillzOnny, please gather Daniela's and hrodriguez feedback on usability and ideas for future surveys13:56
zOnnyone question replaceafill 14:00
zOnnywhere I can check the information of this form14:01
replaceafillzOnny,  "zOnny, click Entries to see the information gathered"14:01
zOnnyops I got it replaceafill 14:02
replaceafillzOnny, >:(14:02
replaceafill:)14:02
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mr_germanACTION goes to take his lunch14:17
zOnnyhey replaceafill I will need you help in the bilingual part again 14:18
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replaceafillzOnny, hm?14:18
zOnnybecause you requested that also the novalaciro's title should be out of the box correct ?14:19
replaceafillzOnny, ah yes please14:19
replaceafillzOnny, set the title as a {% trans '...' %} tag14:19
zOnnyI did :(14:19
replaceafillzOnny, set it in spanish for now14:19
replaceafillzOnny, i'll set up the translation file later14:19
replaceafillzOnny, if i haven't done it by tomorrow, please remind me14:20
zOnnyuhmmmm I would like to fix it :(14:20
replaceafillzOnny, you need access to the server14:20
zOnnyI understand replaceafill 14:20
replaceafillzOnny, we'll get there one day14:20
replaceafillzOnny, when you don't need any access14:21
replaceafillzOnny, but we're not there yet :(14:21
zOnnyI understand 14:21
replaceafillzOnny, if you want to do it in your own dev instance14:21
replaceafillzOnny, i can show you later this week how to do it14:21
replaceafillzOnny, we have a doc for that, right?14:22
replaceafillzOnny, if we do, i'll try to update it14:22
replaceafillzOnny, the change needs to land in the new theme14:22
zOnnyexactly I was doing in my local instance first replaceafill 14:22
zOnnyYes, we have a Doc14:22
replaceafillzOnny, no, the way of doing it has changed since we're using a different theme14:23
replaceafillzOnny, but it should be very similar to this https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/tendenci-theme-novalaciro14:23
replaceafillzOnny, set a locale directory in the new theme14:23
replaceafillzOnny, and have python manage.py to extract the translations there14:24
zOnnyreplaceafill: another novalaciro question14:29
replaceafillzOnny, yes?14:30
zOnnyhow daniela can have her own accound and do the process that admin does replaceafill 14:30
zOnny*account14:30
replaceafillzOnny, do you know how to create users in Tendenci?14:31
replaceafillzOnny, https://www.tendenci.com/help-files/add-new-user-to-your-website/14:31
replaceafillzOnny, that's really outdated but should get you started14:31
replaceafillzOnny, create a user for her first14:31
zOnnytesting replaceafill14:32
zOnnythanks replaceafill 14:32
replaceafillzOnny, then make her user a "superuser"14:32
replaceafillzOnny, https://www.tendenci.com/help-files/list-of-admins/14:32
replaceafillzOnny, please take into account that most of these links are for 3 versions prior of Tendenci...14:33
replaceafillzOnny, so don't point Daniela directly to them14:33
replaceafillzOnny, or at least explain this to her too :)14:33
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nrcernareplaceafill, are you here?14:40
replaceafillnrcerna, yes14:41
replaceafillzOnny, i just checked and that last link is to a report :S14:41
nrcernareplaceafill, I just wrote you something in hangouts14:41
replaceafillnrcerna, checking14:41
nrcernaThnx14:42
replaceafillzOnny, oh, this is the one https://www.tendenci.com/help-files/remove-superuser-access/14:44
replaceafillzOnny, but the adding instead of removing :)14:44
zOnnyreplaceafill: It works, Daniela said thanks for that :)14:46
replaceafillzOnny, great, np14:47
replaceafillACTION goes to get lunch, bb in ~4014:57
mr_germanACTION is back15:28
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replaceafillACTION is back15:49
replaceafillzOnny, you around?15:50
zOnnyhey replaceafill 16:02
replaceafillzOnny, i don't see any new novalaciro branch with your banner work16:02
replaceafillzOnny, could you point me to it?16:02
replaceafillzOnny, i'm trying to set up i18n now16:02
mjsir911zOnny says give him a minute16:04
mjsir911hes pushing it now16:04
mjsir911or trying to find it to push :P16:04
replaceafillthanks mjsir91116:05
zOnnyyes thanks mjsir911 16:08
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zOnnyhey replaceafill 16:19
replaceafillhey zOnny, sorry my connection dropped again..16:19
replaceafillACTION check the logs16:19
replaceafillzOnny, i see the new branch now, thanks16:20
replaceafillzOnny, will have translations enabled in a moment16:20
replaceafillzOnny, i think i'll make all the themes translatable16:20
replaceafillzOnny, even if only we maitain novalaciro bilingual at the moment16:21
zOnnyreplaceafill: good to know that16:21
replaceafillzOnny, when you have a chance, read this: https://chris.beams.io/posts/git-commit/16:25
replaceafillzOnny, or this https://medium.com/@steveamaza/how-to-write-a-proper-git-commit-message-e028865e579116:26
mjsir911I have something to contribute!16:27
replaceafillmjsir911, i need you to train us in git :)16:27
replaceafillmjsir911, this damn workflow i've created sucks16:28
mjsir911oh I Was just going to do something about messages16:28
mjsir911whats the workflow?16:28
replaceafillmjsir911, that too :)16:28
replaceafillmjsir911, having a _dev and a _prod branch16:28
replaceafillmjsir911, the use case is:16:29
mjsir911from the crhis.beams.io article: `Use the imperative mood in the subject line`16:29
mjsir911thats all I can contribute about commit messages :P16:29
replaceafillwe need to give developers ability to point to both servers16:29
replaceafillmjsir911, sorry, i meant, land changes, not point16:29
mjsir911why not seperate repos?16:29
replaceafillmjsir911, too many projects to track16:30
replaceafillmjsir911, that's what we were doing16:30
replaceafillmjsir911, it's a trade-off i guess16:31
mjsir911yea thats what I would advocate, why are too many projects to track a problem?16:31
mjsir911are they all working together?16:31
replaceafillmjsir911, merging fixes from upstream16:31
replaceafillmjsir911, yes16:31
mjsir911ah I see16:31
replaceafillmjsir911, we make our own theme changes16:31
replaceafillmjsir911, but we pay attention to what happens to the the tendenci.com theme too16:32
replaceafillmjsir911, and include their fixes and viceversa16:32
mjsir911how are you doing the merges? through gitlab or through cli?16:32
replaceafillmjsir911, gitlab UI, and *that*'s what i don't like16:32
replaceafillmjsir911, that's where you can train us16:32
replaceafillmjsir911, i wonder if we can rebase instead of merging16:33
replaceafillmjsir911, or at least get rid of thos annoying "Merge branch 'master' of gitlab.com:novawebdevelopment/nova-base-theme into novalaciro_dev" messages16:33
mjsir911are you using the features of gitlab merging like discussions & suggestions?16:33
replaceafillmjsir911, discussion and suggestions?16:33
mjsir911yea when you do a merge request it lets you comment on it & stuff like an issue16:34
replaceafillmjsir911, you mean issue/merge reqeusts?16:34
replaceafillmjsir911, yes, sometimes16:34
mjsir911yea but specifically with your merge workflow16:34
mjsir911just looking [here](https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nova-base-theme/merge_requests?scope=all&utf8=%E2%9C%93&state=merged) 12/14 have 0 comments16:35
mjsir911its a possibility to just rebase through the cli i would think?16:36
replaceafillmjsir911, yes16:36
replaceafillmjsir911, i'd think so too16:37
mjsir911and rebasing gets rid of those pesky merge messages16:37
replaceafillmjsir911, just doing that through each _dev and _prod branches would help a lot16:37
mjsir911have you had many problems with pulling and putting a merge request in the history by pulling?16:37
replaceafillmjsir911, no, we've been doing fine, it's just the clutter of commit messages that gitlab inserts that bothers me16:38
mjsir911ok I see16:38
replaceafillmjsir911, we just need to learn and maybe standarize that16:38
replaceafillmjsir911, like, developer checks out the _dev branch16:38
replaceafillmjsir911, does some work, pushes changes16:38
replaceafillmjsir911, changes land in testing instance16:39
replaceafillmjsir911, everybody's happy16:39
replaceafillmjsir911, dev doesn't merge changes, but maybe rebase one branch in the other16:39
replaceafillmjsir911, dev pushes to _prod branch, changes land in production server16:39
mjsir911but the workflow is [dev branch first]->[look at new website]->[merge to production]16:40
mjsir911or rebase or whatever16:40
replaceafillmjsir911, yes16:40
replaceafillmjsir911, even when we're in rush we should at least check the changes in testing16:41
mjsir911I would suggest a magic button on gitlab's pipeline that does this all automagically when you press it16:41
mjsir911what i mean by "does this all" is the rebasing stuff16:41
replaceafillmjsir911, do you have a link to docs for the button?16:41
mjsir9111 min16:41
replaceafillmjsir911, thanks16:41
mjsir911it has to be scripted, but gitlab CI lets you have arbitrary script buttons16:42
replaceafillmjsir911, ah nice16:42
replaceafillmjsir911, didn't know about that16:42
mjsir911https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/yaml/#when-manual16:42
replaceafillmjsir911, so are you suggesting to use a single branch and make the production deployment manual instead?16:44
mjsir911It would still be nice to have the production branch, what I'm suggesting the manual job to do is automatically rebase the development branch to the production branch & push it16:45
mjsir911in turn, triggering the production branch deployment16:45
mjsir911the benefit to that is being able to roll back production environments (unless that could be done with manual jobs too)16:45
mjsir911although it may be the case that rollbacks work on manual jobs and it should be looked in to16:45
mjsir911I see no reason it wouldn't work on a manual job, so perhaps get rid of the prod branches all the way16:47
replaceafillmjsir911, right16:47
replaceafillmjsir911, hmm16:47
replaceafillmjsir911, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nova-base-theme/blob/master/.gitlab-ci.yml16:49
replaceafillmjsir911, so we could include the manual part in all the _prod jobs16:49
mjsir911yes?16:49
replaceafillmjsir911, and the rebase in their scripts16:49
mjsir911I believe so16:49
mjsir911well if you get rid of the prod branches, you don't need to rebase16:49
replaceafillmjsir911, rigth16:49
replaceafillmjsir911, what if dev got it wrong in testing?16:50
replaceafillmjsir911, they don't press the manual button16:50
mjsir911yep16:50
replaceafillmjsir911, and they can revert force maybe16:50
replaceafillmjsir911, cool16:50
replaceafillmjsir911, i like the "no rebase/merge" need anymore16:50
replaceafillmjsir911, i've been asking zOnny to push to _prod directly now anyway16:51
replaceafillmjsir911, thanks a lot for the ideas16:51
mjsir911looking at the gitlab-ci.yml, where does it actually *do things*?16:51
mjsir911yea no prob16:51
replaceafillmjsir911, the theme one?16:51
replaceafillmjsir911, it's just the before script part16:52
mjsir911yea16:52
mjsir911oh it does everything in the before script?16:52
replaceafillmjsir911, i know i know 16:52
replaceafillmjsir911, yes16:52
mjsir911lol ok16:52
replaceafillmjsir911, why not the after script!16:52
replaceafill:D16:52
mjsir911https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32057204/repeat-node-value-in-yaml16:52
mjsir911but i'm just being picky16:52
replaceafillmjsir911, sure i understand16:53
jelknergood night everyone17:28
replaceafillgood night jelkner17:28
jelknerexpect email soon about our june 4 to july 13 intern17:28
replaceafilljelkner, cool17:29
jelknershe is going to argentina in may for a web development course17:29
replaceafilljelkner, the next generation ;)17:29
jelkner+117:29
jelknershe is an it major at james madison university17:29
jelknermore soon by email17:30
replaceafilljelkner, cool17:30
jelknerACTION signs off for the evening17:30
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