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| jelkner | ping replaceafill | 11:07 |
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| jelkner | Good morning, sir | 11:07 |
| replaceafill | good morning jelkner | 11:07 |
| jelkner | did you see my forwarded email? | 11:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, Amity's? | 11:07 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes, i replied | 11:07 |
| jelkner | oh | 11:07 |
| jelkner | my bad | 11:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, didn't i...? | 11:07 |
| jelkner | ACTION goes to read | 11:08 |
| jelkner | Ahh, replaceafill, so if i want to take the software freedom stand, framedata is where it's at? | 11:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i think so | 11:15 |
| jelkner | ACTION thinks about whether such a feature should be added to our platform? | 11:15 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i did some doodle research a few months ago when i wanted to set a schedule with mr_german and zOnny | 11:15 |
| jelkner | and what did your research turn up? | 11:16 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, well, framadate | 11:16 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 11:16 |
| jelkner | let me go with that | 11:16 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it's not the only option, but it's the one most similar to doddle | 11:16 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i have an english question | 11:17 |
| jelkner | shoot | 11:17 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, is it ok to use they/their in order to avoid he/she his/her in writing? | 11:17 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm reading the bylaws | 11:17 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and started to wonder about neutral gender langugage | 11:18 |
| jelkner | i think so | 11:18 |
| jelkner | this is more a political question then a strictly "English language" question | 11:18 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah ok | 11:19 |
| jelkner | since pronouns and their uses are an area of struggle | 11:19 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, right | 11:19 |
| jelkner | i'm all in favor of taking whatever stand folks are comfortable with | 11:19 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i hate that in spanish we have to use "ellas y ellos"... every time you want gender neutral | 11:19 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it's long and repetitive | 11:19 |
| jelkner | might be a good question for rena, actually, since she is likely to be up on this question | 11:19 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, right | 11:20 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok, it seems like we're going to start voting on things as members soon | 11:20 |
| jelkner | years ago when i first encountered this question, i came up with my own | 11:20 |
| jelkner | per | 11:20 |
| jelkner | per and i went to the concert together | 11:21 |
| jelkner | i left the message with per | 11:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :S | 11:21 |
| jelkner | but no else uses that, so it's probably not a good idea ;-) | 11:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :D | 11:21 |
| jelkner | omg, someone did think of that too! ;-) | 11:23 |
| jelkner | https://uwm.edu/lgbtrc/support/gender-pronouns/ | 11:23 |
| jelkner | i vote for per per pers pers perself | 11:24 |
| replaceafill | wow | 11:24 |
| jelkner | let's discuss it | 11:24 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ve! | 11:24 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, interesting | 11:24 |
| jelkner | i'd be fine with that too | 11:24 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, always considered english like "we don't care" | 11:25 |
| jelkner | to be honest, i think a gender neutral pronoun is a great idea | 11:25 |
| replaceafill | +1 | 11:25 |
| jelkner | but i don't have any strong feelings about which one | 11:25 |
| jelkner | so i wish the community (people with a greater aesthetic sense then i in these matters) would just decide so i could begin using it | 11:26 |
| jelkner | i don't particularly want to get caught up in a fight about it | 11:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :) | 11:27 |
| replaceafill | https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lle | 11:28 |
| replaceafill | "elles son mis hermanes, dos son varones y una es mujer" | 11:28 |
| jelkner | mucho mas facil en espanyol! | 11:29 |
| replaceafill | el software libre es un derecho de todes | 11:29 |
| jelkner | i like it | 11:29 |
| jelkner | *a lot* actually | 11:29 |
| jelkner | ok, back to work | 11:29 |
| replaceafill | me too | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | thanks jelkner | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | ttyl | 11:30 |
| jelkner | ACTION looks into framedata | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | framadate! | 11:30 |
| jelkner | ah | 11:32 |
| jelkner | no wonder it wouldn't work :-( | 11:32 |
| jelkner | ping, replaceafill | 11:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, pong | 11:47 |
| jelkner | i'm reading through the bylaws | 11:47 |
| jelkner | we shouldn't be "distribution ballots" | 11:47 |
| jelkner | we should be using helios! | 11:48 |
| jelkner | dogfooding, dogfooding ;-) | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes, i noticed that too :) | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but i wouldn't write it as that | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, distributing ballots or links :D | 11:48 |
| jelkner | there you go | 11:49 |
| jelkner | i'm also wondering given how small we are if we need a president and a secretary | 11:50 |
| jelkner | why not just one person, a "secretary president", whose main purpose with this title is to represent us with the state | 11:51 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, less burden on the person? | 11:51 |
| jelkner | but honestly, we only have one person, louie, who is tasked with those things | 11:52 |
| replaceafill | +1 | 11:52 |
| jelkner | i won't be there sunday for this discussion | 11:54 |
| jelkner | so i want to record my concerns here | 11:54 |
| jelkner | i trust y'all | 11:54 |
| jelkner | and will be perfectly happy to go along with what y'all determine in my absence | 11:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, why not adding it to the remind bot? | 11:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so we don't forget to discuss it | 11:55 |
| jelkner | !remind Should we add "links" when discussing ballots, since we will be doing it online? | 12:00 |
| Big_Brother | "Should we add links when discussing ballots, since we will be doing it online?" added to message queue | 12:00 |
| jelkner | !remind Thoughts on a gender neutral pronoun? | 12:00 |
| Big_Brother | "Thoughts on a gender neutral pronoun?" added to message queue | 12:00 |
| jelkner | !remind Can / should we combine president and secretary into secretary president? | 12:01 |
| Big_Brother | "Can / should we combine president and secretary into secretary president?" added to message queue | 12:01 |
| jelkner | i think that's all i have | 12:02 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, great | 12:03 |
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| zOnny | hey replaceafill | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | hey zOnny | 13:53 |
| zOnny | one question replaceafill | 13:53 |
| zOnny | where is the form issue that novalaciro people filled out this weekend replaceafill | 13:53 |
| zOnny | there was another form correct ? | 13:54 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, https://novalaciro.org/forms/ | 13:54 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, click Entries to see the information gathered | 13:54 |
| zOnny | I am here with Daniela replaceafill checking on that form | 13:55 |
| zOnny | thanks replaceafill | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, cool | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, let me know if you have questions | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, please gather Daniela's and hrodriguez feedback on usability and ideas for future surveys | 13:56 |
| zOnny | one question replaceafill | 14:00 |
| zOnny | where I can check the information of this form | 14:01 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, "zOnny, click Entries to see the information gathered" | 14:01 |
| zOnny | ops I got it replaceafill | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, >:( | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | :) | 14:02 |
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| mr_german | ACTION goes to take his lunch | 14:17 |
| zOnny | hey replaceafill I will need you help in the bilingual part again | 14:18 |
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| replaceafill | zOnny, hm? | 14:18 |
| zOnny | because you requested that also the novalaciro's title should be out of the box correct ? | 14:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ah yes please | 14:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, set the title as a {% trans '...' %} tag | 14:19 |
| zOnny | I did :( | 14:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, set it in spanish for now | 14:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i'll set up the translation file later | 14:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if i haven't done it by tomorrow, please remind me | 14:20 |
| zOnny | uhmmmm I would like to fix it :( | 14:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you need access to the server | 14:20 |
| zOnny | I understand replaceafill | 14:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, we'll get there one day | 14:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, when you don't need any access | 14:21 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but we're not there yet :( | 14:21 |
| zOnny | I understand | 14:21 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if you want to do it in your own dev instance | 14:21 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i can show you later this week how to do it | 14:21 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, we have a doc for that, right? | 14:22 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if we do, i'll try to update it | 14:22 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, the change needs to land in the new theme | 14:22 |
| zOnny | exactly I was doing in my local instance first replaceafill | 14:22 |
| zOnny | Yes, we have a Doc | 14:22 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, no, the way of doing it has changed since we're using a different theme | 14:23 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but it should be very similar to this https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/tendenci-theme-novalaciro | 14:23 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, set a locale directory in the new theme | 14:23 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and have python manage.py to extract the translations there | 14:24 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: another novalaciro question | 14:29 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, yes? | 14:30 |
| zOnny | how daniela can have her own accound and do the process that admin does replaceafill | 14:30 |
| zOnny | *account | 14:30 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, do you know how to create users in Tendenci? | 14:31 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, https://www.tendenci.com/help-files/add-new-user-to-your-website/ | 14:31 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, that's really outdated but should get you started | 14:31 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, create a user for her first | 14:31 |
| zOnny | testing replaceafill | 14:32 |
| zOnny | thanks replaceafill | 14:32 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, then make her user a "superuser" | 14:32 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, https://www.tendenci.com/help-files/list-of-admins/ | 14:32 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, please take into account that most of these links are for 3 versions prior of Tendenci... | 14:33 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so don't point Daniela directly to them | 14:33 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, or at least explain this to her too :) | 14:33 |
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| nrcerna | replaceafill, are you here? | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, yes | 14:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i just checked and that last link is to a report :S | 14:41 |
| nrcerna | replaceafill, I just wrote you something in hangouts | 14:41 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, checking | 14:41 |
| nrcerna | Thnx | 14:42 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, oh, this is the one https://www.tendenci.com/help-files/remove-superuser-access/ | 14:44 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but the adding instead of removing :) | 14:44 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: It works, Daniela said thanks for that :) | 14:46 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, great, np | 14:47 |
| replaceafill | ACTION goes to get lunch, bb in ~40 | 14:57 |
| mr_german | ACTION is back | 15:28 |
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| replaceafill | ACTION is back | 15:49 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you around? | 15:50 |
| zOnny | hey replaceafill | 16:02 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i don't see any new novalaciro branch with your banner work | 16:02 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, could you point me to it? | 16:02 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i'm trying to set up i18n now | 16:02 |
| mjsir911 | zOnny says give him a minute | 16:04 |
| mjsir911 | hes pushing it now | 16:04 |
| mjsir911 | or trying to find it to push :P | 16:04 |
| replaceafill | thanks mjsir911 | 16:05 |
| zOnny | yes thanks mjsir911 | 16:08 |
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| zOnny | hey replaceafill | 16:19 |
| replaceafill | hey zOnny, sorry my connection dropped again.. | 16:19 |
| replaceafill | ACTION check the logs | 16:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i see the new branch now, thanks | 16:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, will have translations enabled in a moment | 16:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i think i'll make all the themes translatable | 16:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, even if only we maitain novalaciro bilingual at the moment | 16:21 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: good to know that | 16:21 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, when you have a chance, read this: https://chris.beams.io/posts/git-commit/ | 16:25 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, or this https://medium.com/@steveamaza/how-to-write-a-proper-git-commit-message-e028865e5791 | 16:26 |
| mjsir911 | I have something to contribute! | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i need you to train us in git :) | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, this damn workflow i've created sucks | 16:28 |
| mjsir911 | oh I Was just going to do something about messages | 16:28 |
| mjsir911 | whats the workflow? | 16:28 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, that too :) | 16:28 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, having a _dev and a _prod branch | 16:28 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, the use case is: | 16:29 |
| mjsir911 | from the crhis.beams.io article: `Use the imperative mood in the subject line` | 16:29 |
| mjsir911 | thats all I can contribute about commit messages :P | 16:29 |
| replaceafill | we need to give developers ability to point to both servers | 16:29 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, sorry, i meant, land changes, not point | 16:29 |
| mjsir911 | why not seperate repos? | 16:29 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, too many projects to track | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, that's what we were doing | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, it's a trade-off i guess | 16:31 |
| mjsir911 | yea thats what I would advocate, why are too many projects to track a problem? | 16:31 |
| mjsir911 | are they all working together? | 16:31 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, merging fixes from upstream | 16:31 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, yes | 16:31 |
| mjsir911 | ah I see | 16:31 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, we make our own theme changes | 16:31 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, but we pay attention to what happens to the the tendenci.com theme too | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, and include their fixes and viceversa | 16:32 |
| mjsir911 | how are you doing the merges? through gitlab or through cli? | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, gitlab UI, and *that*'s what i don't like | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, that's where you can train us | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i wonder if we can rebase instead of merging | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, or at least get rid of thos annoying "Merge branch 'master' of gitlab.com:novawebdevelopment/nova-base-theme into novalaciro_dev" messages | 16:33 |
| mjsir911 | are you using the features of gitlab merging like discussions & suggestions? | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, discussion and suggestions? | 16:33 |
| mjsir911 | yea when you do a merge request it lets you comment on it & stuff like an issue | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, you mean issue/merge reqeusts? | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, yes, sometimes | 16:34 |
| mjsir911 | yea but specifically with your merge workflow | 16:34 |
| mjsir911 | just looking [here](https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nova-base-theme/merge_requests?scope=all&utf8=%E2%9C%93&state=merged) 12/14 have 0 comments | 16:35 |
| mjsir911 | its a possibility to just rebase through the cli i would think? | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, yes | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i'd think so too | 16:37 |
| mjsir911 | and rebasing gets rid of those pesky merge messages | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, just doing that through each _dev and _prod branches would help a lot | 16:37 |
| mjsir911 | have you had many problems with pulling and putting a merge request in the history by pulling? | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, no, we've been doing fine, it's just the clutter of commit messages that gitlab inserts that bothers me | 16:38 |
| mjsir911 | ok I see | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, we just need to learn and maybe standarize that | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, like, developer checks out the _dev branch | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, does some work, pushes changes | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, changes land in testing instance | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, everybody's happy | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, dev doesn't merge changes, but maybe rebase one branch in the other | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, dev pushes to _prod branch, changes land in production server | 16:39 |
| mjsir911 | but the workflow is [dev branch first]->[look at new website]->[merge to production] | 16:40 |
| mjsir911 | or rebase or whatever | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, yes | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, even when we're in rush we should at least check the changes in testing | 16:41 |
| mjsir911 | I would suggest a magic button on gitlab's pipeline that does this all automagically when you press it | 16:41 |
| mjsir911 | what i mean by "does this all" is the rebasing stuff | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, do you have a link to docs for the button? | 16:41 |
| mjsir911 | 1 min | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, thanks | 16:41 |
| mjsir911 | it has to be scripted, but gitlab CI lets you have arbitrary script buttons | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, ah nice | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, didn't know about that | 16:42 |
| mjsir911 | https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/yaml/#when-manual | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, so are you suggesting to use a single branch and make the production deployment manual instead? | 16:44 |
| mjsir911 | It would still be nice to have the production branch, what I'm suggesting the manual job to do is automatically rebase the development branch to the production branch & push it | 16:45 |
| mjsir911 | in turn, triggering the production branch deployment | 16:45 |
| mjsir911 | the benefit to that is being able to roll back production environments (unless that could be done with manual jobs too) | 16:45 |
| mjsir911 | although it may be the case that rollbacks work on manual jobs and it should be looked in to | 16:45 |
| mjsir911 | I see no reason it wouldn't work on a manual job, so perhaps get rid of the prod branches all the way | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, right | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, hmm | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nova-base-theme/blob/master/.gitlab-ci.yml | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, so we could include the manual part in all the _prod jobs | 16:49 |
| mjsir911 | yes? | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, and the rebase in their scripts | 16:49 |
| mjsir911 | I believe so | 16:49 |
| mjsir911 | well if you get rid of the prod branches, you don't need to rebase | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, rigth | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, what if dev got it wrong in testing? | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, they don't press the manual button | 16:50 |
| mjsir911 | yep | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, and they can revert force maybe | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, cool | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i like the "no rebase/merge" need anymore | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i've been asking zOnny to push to _prod directly now anyway | 16:51 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, thanks a lot for the ideas | 16:51 |
| mjsir911 | looking at the gitlab-ci.yml, where does it actually *do things*? | 16:51 |
| mjsir911 | yea no prob | 16:51 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, the theme one? | 16:51 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, it's just the before script part | 16:52 |
| mjsir911 | yea | 16:52 |
| mjsir911 | oh it does everything in the before script? | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i know i know | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, yes | 16:52 |
| mjsir911 | lol ok | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, why not the after script! | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | :D | 16:52 |
| mjsir911 | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32057204/repeat-node-value-in-yaml | 16:52 |
| mjsir911 | but i'm just being picky | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, sure i understand | 16:53 |
| jelkner | good night everyone | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | good night jelkner | 17:28 |
| jelkner | expect email soon about our june 4 to july 13 intern | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 17:29 |
| jelkner | she is going to argentina in may for a web development course | 17:29 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, the next generation ;) | 17:29 |
| jelkner | +1 | 17:29 |
| jelkner | she is an it major at james madison university | 17:29 |
| jelkner | more soon by email | 17:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 17:30 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the evening | 17:30 |
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