IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2018-05-20

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jelkner!remind10:37
jelkner!remind Invitation to join Arlington Chamber of Commerce10:37
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jelkner!remind Product plans (prioritizing among user stories)10:38
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jelkner!Planning for ORMD meeting10:38
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Big_BrotherInvitation to join Arlington Chamber of Commerce11:30
lelkneralfaroGood morning everyone11:30
mjsir911morning11:30
jelknergood morning11:30
replaceafillgood morning everybody11:30
zOnnyHello World!11:30
hrodriguezGod morning11:30
lelkneralfarojelkner, I believe the agenda is yours11:30
lelkneralfarojelkner, so take it away11:30
jelknerwell email is mjsir911 11:31
jelknerbut i'll take the first one11:31
jelknerjust an interesting update11:31
jelkneri received a phone call from someone on the arlington chamber of commerce11:31
jelknerasking whether nova web development wanted to join11:31
jelkneror encouraging us to join i should say11:31
jelknerfor the benefit of folks who are unfamiliar11:31
jelknerthe chamber of a commerce is a very right wing 501c311:32
jelknerthat donates more money to (usually) republican causes11:32
jelknerthan any other non-profit11:32
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jelknerwhat is interesting is that in a "blue" town like arlington, the chamber is not as right wing as in other places11:33
mr_germangood morning everybody o/11:33
jelkneri attended a protest at the county board yesterday morning with 15 ORA folks againa Amazon's plans to locate in arlington11:33
jelknerinterestingly, katie crystal, the county board chair11:34
jelknermentioned getting involved with the chamber in arlington as a way to impact that discussion11:34
jelkneranyway, it would cost roughly $500 to join, so i'm not advocating it11:34
jelkneri told the caller we are a coop and would need to vote on something like that anyway11:35
jelknerjust something to think about for the future11:35
jelknerACTION done with that item11:35
lelkneralfarowhat are the benefits of joining?11:35
jelknerinfluencing arlington county policy around business promotion11:36
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jelknerand networking11:36
lelkneralfarojelkner, cool. that sounds like something that might be of benefit in the future, to help direct funds towards cooperatives11:37
jelkner+111:37
lelkneralfarojelkner, good to have on our radar11:37
lelkneralfarojelkner, next point is product plans...11:37
jelknerthis is for replaceafill 11:38
jelkneri just put it on the agenda11:38
jelknerit is his item11:38
replaceafilli think the immediate feature we'll focus on is threaded posts in forums11:38
replaceafillcorrect?11:38
jelknerhow long will that take?11:39
jelknerwe have a list of requests from customers11:39
replaceafilli'd say i can have something done by next friday11:39
jelknervoting is super important too11:39
jelknercool11:39
jelknerhow are we on voting from within our system?11:39
jelknerzOnny was suggesting it is ready for testing11:40
replaceafilljelkner, voting has been in "almost done" from a long time11:40
jelknerso we need to move from "almost" to deployed11:40
replaceafilljelkner, i'd say it needs a couple of days last push11:40
jelknerthis is why we need to plan this effectively11:40
jelkneras we show our product to the world11:40
jelknerwe need to maximize the number of desired features that work11:41
jelknerand are ready to use11:41
jelknerand seek help funding to develop the others11:41
replaceafilljelkner, i see one problem with our approach though11:41
jelknerwhich is?11:41
replaceafilljelkner, how are we going to test voting?11:41
replaceafilljelkner, aea, ora?11:41
jelknerboth11:42
replaceafilljelkner, which one first and how?11:42
jelknerwe have small groups in both of those ready to use it11:42
jelknerwith aea, it is the pac11:42
jelkneraea-pac11:42
replaceafilljelkner, maybe later we can discuss specific of both groups, i'd like to know exactly what they are looking for11:42
jelkneris a small group of active members11:42
jelknerwith ora is is the sc11:43
jelknerso, it is my job to pull this together11:43
ubuntouristPresumably, both groups have voted on other stuff in the past. So, they would have a fallback system / procedure in place if something's horribly wrong11:43
jelkneri would normally say aea would be the first one to move on11:43
jelknerbut at the end of the school year11:43
jelknerthat problably isn't true11:43
jelknertoo many disruptions and summer vacation approaching11:43
jelknerso ora sc makes more sense11:44
jelknerespecially coming off our meeting with mike yesterday11:44
replaceafilljelkner, can you give a quick example of how the sc would use it?11:44
jelknerhe is ready to help implement this11:44
jelknerabsolutely11:44
jelknertim got an invitation from dsa to join an anti amazon protest11:45
jelknerhe wanted to know whether we should or shouldn't sign on11:45
jelknerthere will be countless things like this11:45
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok, that doesn't involve the whole ORA group, right?11:46
jelknershould ora endorse in the up coming arlington democratic primary?11:46
replaceafilljelkner, got it11:46
jelknerwe want to use it with the whole group11:46
jelknerbut the 5 member + mike sc is great for testing11:46
jelkneryou are looking for testers, yes?11:46
replaceafilljelkner, yes, use cases mostly11:46
jelknerthe sc is good because we conduct these polls now by email11:47
replaceafilljelkner, to see if the group feature will work11:47
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok11:47
jelknerso if the system breaks, we have a backup already in place11:47
replaceafill+111:47
jelknerso we won't screw things up while we are deploying11:47
replaceafilljelkner, should we switch priorities between voting and threaded posts?11:47
replaceafilljelkner, i could have voting working by the middel of the week i'd say11:47
jelknercan you please email mike and ask him to choose11:47
jelkner?11:47
replaceafilljelkner, cool11:48
replaceafilljelkner, will do11:48
lelkneralfarowonderful! next item is mjsir911 11:48
mjsir911Ok so I sent out a quick email to ubuntourist and douglas11:48
replaceafillmjsir911, yes, thanks for taking care of that11:49
replaceafillmjsir911, and bringing it up todya11:49
mjsir911about email hosting, I think the simplest solution would be to just use some shared hosting (we have webfaction right now) to act as an smtp relay11:49
replaceafillmjsir911, what's the benefit of webfaction vs dns + gmail?11:50
ubuntouristI saw it but don't have any knowledge of such things. (Years ago, I ran my own service off of my desktop computer, but now I've sold my soul to Google.)11:50
mjsir911Previously I set up dns to forward email, the problem there was that there was no way to send it in the reverse direction11:50
mjsir911to send email from gmail from a different address you need a recieving smtp(?) server11:51
replaceafillmjsir911, in some cases, like django, that's fine11:51
mjsir911and namecheap has an option for that, just costs money per month per email address11:51
replaceafillmjsir911, one way traffic11:51
mjsir911yea, in which case dns is a perfectly alright solution11:51
replaceafillmjsir911, +111:51
mjsir911just recieving?11:51
mjsir911dns allows you to forward mail, not only send mail. just clearing up one way traffic11:52
replaceafillmjsir911, any thoughts on the coop powered email solutions?11:53
jelknerhow are we setup mjsir911 to do that with novawebdevelopment.org?11:53
jelknerdaniela needs it now11:53
jelknerwe already have it11:53
mjsir911We discussed riseup, but I don't really understand what *they do* and I couldn't find any pricings or anything so I rejected that option due to confusion11:54
jelkneri can use my gmail and select to send from novaweb11:54
replaceafilljelkner, that's possible due to our webfaction account11:54
replaceafilljelkner, novalaciro would need its own to have the same functionality11:55
replaceafillmjsir911, am i right?11:55
jelknerhow much per year?11:55
mjsir911yea currently daniela is set up to send and recieve mail through daniela@novalaciro.org using webfaction11:55
jelknernovalaciro can purchase what it needs11:55
replaceafillmjsir911, does novalaciro have its own webfaction?11:56
mjsir911currently I set it up using our webfaction account, which I don't think costs us anything11:56
replaceafillmjsir911, oh so we can "relay" other domains using our own account?11:56
mjsir911yep11:57
replaceafilli don't think relay is the right word there...11:57
replaceafillmjsir911, ah nice11:57
mjsir911it's acting as an smtp relay11:57
mjsir911Does this sound reasonable as an email setup? As long as we keep webfaction it doesn't cost us anything11:58
replaceafill+0.511:58
mjsir911anything else?11:58
replaceafillit's been working fine for our novawebdev emails11:58
replaceafillso i'm ok with it11:59
replaceafillit's cheap :)11:59
replaceafillthanks again mjsir91111:59
replaceafilljelkner, do you have a few minutes after the meeting?11:59
jelkneryup11:59
replaceafilljelkner, to meet again? :D11:59
jelknersure12:00
ubuntouristNot yet on the agenda: Campaign Hurricane ;-) a.k.a. the candidate from VT12:00
lelkneralfaroalright sounds like it for today12:01
lelkneralfaroACTION drops the bag of gravel12:01
ubuntouristI just sent email to jelkner zOnny and lelkneralfaro as well as Flint12:01
jelknerwuz up, replaceafill?12:01
replaceafilljelkner, i just wanted to know the situation for LFOR12:02
ubuntouristasking for specific items, hoping that will focus him.12:02
jelknerubuntourist, will read shortly12:02
jelknerme too, replaceafill 12:02
jelkneri'm frustrated12:02
ubuntourist(I'm playing the role of jelkner and being optimistic in the face of reality. ;-) )12:02
jelkneri'll let you know as soon as i find out12:02
replaceafilljelkner, i just want to let mr_german know what to expect work-wise12:02
replaceafilljelkner, cool, thanks12:02
jelkneri called rand a few minutes ago12:03
jelknerand didn't get through12:03
mr_germanok12:03
replaceafilljelkner, ah12:03
jelkneri'll email him12:03
jelknerand then follow up12:03
ubuntouristI'm hoping we can raise Mr. Flint on the line sometime today, but therein lies the usual chaos.12:03
jelknerexpect to hear from me by mid week at the latest mr_german 12:03
jelknermy apologies for the delay12:03
jelknerit is out of my controll12:03
ubuntouristAnd, just an aside: I've switched to Arch Linux and so everything is now broken on this computer. ;-)12:03
ubuntouristThat's it for me for the moment.12:03
jelkneris that all, replaceafill?12:04
replaceafilljelkner, yes, thanks12:04
jelknerlelkneralfaro and i are talking about the upcoming ny and boston trip12:04
mr_germanjelkner, sure, cool12:04
jelknerso we are going to continue that12:04
replaceafillcool12:04
jelknerreplaceafill, we need invoices from you for novalaciro work12:05
jelknerlelkneralfaro said he will follow up with you on that12:05
replaceafilljelkner, ah sure12:05
replaceafilljelkner, ok12:05
lelkneralfarookay. im out12:05
replaceafilljelkner, email sent to Mike asking for priorities12:25
replaceafilljelkner, please chime in if i missed anything12:25
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jelknerreplaceafill, will you be around after our meeting with ormd?12:33
jelkneri heard back from susannah12:33
jelknerwe are on for today12:33
replaceafilljelkner, what time is the meeting?12:33
jelkner1 pm12:33
replaceafilljelkner, ah sure12:34
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replaceafilljelkner, i plan to work until 4 pm today12:34
jelknerperfect12:34
jelkner4 pm our time?12:34
replaceafilljelkner, yes12:34
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny does novalaciro have an office?13:09
zOnnyhey replaceafill 13:10
replaceafillhey zOnny13:11
zOnnyI noticed that Novalaciro has not an office yet replaceafill 13:12
replaceafillzOnny, ah ok, thanks13:12
jelknerreplaceafill ping13:18
replaceafilljelkner, pong13:18
jelkneri had a great conversation with susannah13:19
jelkneryou've seen the ormd website13:19
replaceafilljelkner, yes13:19
jelknerso, we want to basically take the same content13:20
jelknerand move it to a tendenci site13:20
jelknerthat would be the easiest thing for mr_german to do13:20
replaceafilljelkner, whare are their current pain points?13:20
replaceafilljelkner, their design/structure looks decent13:20
jelknercurrent pain points mostly involve website performance13:21
jelknerusers complain about pages not loading13:21
jelknerit being *really* slow on mobile devices13:21
replaceafilljelkner, hm ok13:21
replaceafilljelkner, i'm not sure if we can top that13:21
jelknerreally?13:21
replaceafilljelkner, tendenci is not lightning bolt either13:21
jelknerit looks like a lot of js flash that could be reduced13:22
jelknerare you saying usable websites can't be developed with tendenci?13:22
jelknerwe would be in big trouble it that's true! :-(13:22
replaceafilljelkner, i'm saying we haven't been paying any attention to performance of our sites13:23
jelknerunderstood13:23
jelknerbut we can if we need to, yes?13:23
replaceafilljelkner, yeah, it's been like: "ok instructions say put memcached here and forget about it"13:23
replaceafilljelkner, and that's what we've been doing13:23
replaceafilljelkner, you can fine tune it if needed13:24
jelknerso, the novalaciro website works great13:24
jelkneron mobile and desktop13:24
jelknereven on ubuntu phones ;-)13:24
replaceafilljelkner, i bet ormd has a lot more users than novalaciro13:24
jelknerthat may be what kyle was talking about13:24
replaceafilljelkner, right13:25
jelkneri don't think that is it13:25
jelknerthe current site has *a lot* of flashy things13:25
jelknera progress bar that keeps reloading continuously13:25
jelkneras the images change13:25
jelknerthey want usability13:25
replaceafilljelkner, well, it's a "standard" slider13:25
replaceafilljelkner, right13:25
jelknerwe can do usability, yes?13:26
jelknerif not, wer're in the wrong business :-(13:26
replaceafilljelkner, maybe the design shouldn't rely on that huge slider13:26
jelknerthings like that13:26
jelkner+113:26
replaceafilljelkner, so at this point all they need is a cms?13:27
jelkneranyway, we have a google hangout next sunday at 1 pm13:27
jelkner+113:27
jelknermr_german's goal is to have their website up by next sunday13:27
jelknerat 1 pm13:27
replaceafilljelkner, a proposal, correct?13:28
jelknerproposal?13:28
replaceafilljelkner, it's not like they've agreed on switching yet, right?13:28
jelkneryes they have13:28
jelkneroh, you missunderstood13:29
jelknerwe want to have their website on tendenci as a dev server by next sunday13:29
jelknerthen have a few iterations13:29
jelknerthen switch13:29
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok13:29
replaceafilljelkner, so mr_german will fly solo this week13:30
jelkneris that ok?13:30
replaceafilljelkner, and get their feedback next weekend?13:30
jelkneryes13:30
replaceafilljelkner, got it13:30
replaceafilljelkner, i'll call him this afternoon13:30
jelknerso to clarify:13:30
jelkner1. use the current website for both basic design and content as a "model"13:31
jelkner2. convert to tendenci with cms13:31
jelkner3. make any adjustments necessary to improve performance13:31
replaceafilljelkner, convert every single part?13:31
jelkneris that clear?13:31
replaceafilljelkner, i'd say "convert as much as possible"13:32
jelknerdepending on time13:32
jelkneryes13:32
replaceafilljelkner, right13:32
replaceafilljelkner, cool13:32
jelknerthey were hoping to have the switch in time of the primary13:32
jelknerso we are looking at the next few weeks13:32
jelknerit would help us a lot if we had it in place by the time louis and i go to the left forum13:32
replaceafilljelkner, is the primary on june 12th?13:32
jelknerno, that's virginia13:33
replaceafilljelkner, or is that a different date?13:33
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok13:33
jelknerjune 26 i believe13:33
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok13:33
replaceafillACTION writes that down13:33
jelknerbut still, we would need it over the next few weeks to have an impact13:33
replaceafilljelkner, sure13:33
replaceafilljelkner, anything else? i'll call mr_german13:35
jelknerhttps://msa.maryland.gov/msa/mdmanual/41electp/html/forth.html13:35
jelknerconfirmed13:35
replaceafilljelkner, ah thanks13:36
replaceafillPrimary Elections13:36
jelkneri'll see you online tomorrow, replaceafill 13:47
jelknerwe need to keep all this moving fast during the next month13:47
replaceafilljelkner, cool, see you13:47
jelknerby june 113:47
jelknerwhen louis and i go to left forum13:47
replaceafilljelkner, did my email to mike make sense to you?13:47
jelknerwe need to begin networking heavily13:48
jelkneryes!13:48
replaceafilljelkner, cool13:48
jelknergood email to mike13:48
jelkneri'll follow up on that tomorrow13:48
jelkneralso13:48
replaceafilljelkner, ok13:48
jelknerif we don't hear from him13:48
replaceafillthanks13:48
jelkneri'll vote for voting13:48
jelknerif we don't13:48
replaceafillyeah13:48
jelknerbtw. duncan small starts tomorrow13:48
replaceafilli should probably switch13:48
jelknerso we should find a good way for him to help13:48
jelknerlater gater13:48
replaceafilljelkner, later o/13:49
jelknerACTION signs off for the day13:49
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