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| jelkner | !remind Invitation to join Arlington Chamber of Commerce | 10:37 |
| Big_Brother | "Invitation to join Arlington Chamber of Commerce" added to message queue | 10:37 |
| jelkner | !remind Product plans (prioritizing among user stories) | 10:38 |
| Big_Brother | "Product plans (prioritizing among user stories)" added to message queue | 10:38 |
| jelkner | !Planning for ORMD meeting | 10:38 |
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| mjsir911 | !remind emails | 11:28 |
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| Big_Brother | Invitation to join Arlington Chamber of Commerce | 11:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | Good morning everyone | 11:30 |
| mjsir911 | morning | 11:30 |
| jelkner | good morning | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | good morning everybody | 11:30 |
| zOnny | Hello World! | 11:30 |
| hrodriguez | God morning | 11:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I believe the agenda is yours | 11:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, so take it away | 11:30 |
| jelkner | well email is mjsir911 | 11:31 |
| jelkner | but i'll take the first one | 11:31 |
| jelkner | just an interesting update | 11:31 |
| jelkner | i received a phone call from someone on the arlington chamber of commerce | 11:31 |
| jelkner | asking whether nova web development wanted to join | 11:31 |
| jelkner | or encouraging us to join i should say | 11:31 |
| jelkner | for the benefit of folks who are unfamiliar | 11:31 |
| jelkner | the chamber of a commerce is a very right wing 501c3 | 11:32 |
| jelkner | that donates more money to (usually) republican causes | 11:32 |
| jelkner | than any other non-profit | 11:32 |
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| jelkner | what is interesting is that in a "blue" town like arlington, the chamber is not as right wing as in other places | 11:33 |
| mr_german | good morning everybody o/ | 11:33 |
| jelkner | i attended a protest at the county board yesterday morning with 15 ORA folks againa Amazon's plans to locate in arlington | 11:33 |
| jelkner | interestingly, katie crystal, the county board chair | 11:34 |
| jelkner | mentioned getting involved with the chamber in arlington as a way to impact that discussion | 11:34 |
| jelkner | anyway, it would cost roughly $500 to join, so i'm not advocating it | 11:34 |
| jelkner | i told the caller we are a coop and would need to vote on something like that anyway | 11:35 |
| jelkner | just something to think about for the future | 11:35 |
| jelkner | ACTION done with that item | 11:35 |
| lelkneralfaro | what are the benefits of joining? | 11:35 |
| jelkner | influencing arlington county policy around business promotion | 11:36 |
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| jelkner | and networking | 11:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, cool. that sounds like something that might be of benefit in the future, to help direct funds towards cooperatives | 11:37 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:37 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, good to have on our radar | 11:37 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, next point is product plans... | 11:37 |
| jelkner | this is for replaceafill | 11:38 |
| jelkner | i just put it on the agenda | 11:38 |
| jelkner | it is his item | 11:38 |
| replaceafill | i think the immediate feature we'll focus on is threaded posts in forums | 11:38 |
| replaceafill | correct? | 11:38 |
| jelkner | how long will that take? | 11:39 |
| jelkner | we have a list of requests from customers | 11:39 |
| replaceafill | i'd say i can have something done by next friday | 11:39 |
| jelkner | voting is super important too | 11:39 |
| jelkner | cool | 11:39 |
| jelkner | how are we on voting from within our system? | 11:39 |
| jelkner | zOnny was suggesting it is ready for testing | 11:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, voting has been in "almost done" from a long time | 11:40 |
| jelkner | so we need to move from "almost" to deployed | 11:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'd say it needs a couple of days last push | 11:40 |
| jelkner | this is why we need to plan this effectively | 11:40 |
| jelkner | as we show our product to the world | 11:40 |
| jelkner | we need to maximize the number of desired features that work | 11:41 |
| jelkner | and are ready to use | 11:41 |
| jelkner | and seek help funding to develop the others | 11:41 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i see one problem with our approach though | 11:41 |
| jelkner | which is? | 11:41 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, how are we going to test voting? | 11:41 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, aea, ora? | 11:41 |
| jelkner | both | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, which one first and how? | 11:42 |
| jelkner | we have small groups in both of those ready to use it | 11:42 |
| jelkner | with aea, it is the pac | 11:42 |
| jelkner | aea-pac | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, maybe later we can discuss specific of both groups, i'd like to know exactly what they are looking for | 11:42 |
| jelkner | is a small group of active members | 11:42 |
| jelkner | with ora is is the sc | 11:43 |
| jelkner | so, it is my job to pull this together | 11:43 |
| ubuntourist | Presumably, both groups have voted on other stuff in the past. So, they would have a fallback system / procedure in place if something's horribly wrong | 11:43 |
| jelkner | i would normally say aea would be the first one to move on | 11:43 |
| jelkner | but at the end of the school year | 11:43 |
| jelkner | that problably isn't true | 11:43 |
| jelkner | too many disruptions and summer vacation approaching | 11:43 |
| jelkner | so ora sc makes more sense | 11:44 |
| jelkner | especially coming off our meeting with mike yesterday | 11:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, can you give a quick example of how the sc would use it? | 11:44 |
| jelkner | he is ready to help implement this | 11:44 |
| jelkner | absolutely | 11:44 |
| jelkner | tim got an invitation from dsa to join an anti amazon protest | 11:45 |
| jelkner | he wanted to know whether we should or shouldn't sign on | 11:45 |
| jelkner | there will be countless things like this | 11:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah ok, that doesn't involve the whole ORA group, right? | 11:46 |
| jelkner | should ora endorse in the up coming arlington democratic primary? | 11:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, got it | 11:46 |
| jelkner | we want to use it with the whole group | 11:46 |
| jelkner | but the 5 member + mike sc is great for testing | 11:46 |
| jelkner | you are looking for testers, yes? | 11:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes, use cases mostly | 11:46 |
| jelkner | the sc is good because we conduct these polls now by email | 11:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, to see if the group feature will work | 11:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah ok | 11:47 |
| jelkner | so if the system breaks, we have a backup already in place | 11:47 |
| replaceafill | +1 | 11:47 |
| jelkner | so we won't screw things up while we are deploying | 11:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, should we switch priorities between voting and threaded posts? | 11:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i could have voting working by the middel of the week i'd say | 11:47 |
| jelkner | can you please email mike and ask him to choose | 11:47 |
| jelkner | ? | 11:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, will do | 11:48 |
| lelkneralfaro | wonderful! next item is mjsir911 | 11:48 |
| mjsir911 | Ok so I sent out a quick email to ubuntourist and douglas | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, yes, thanks for taking care of that | 11:49 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, and bringing it up todya | 11:49 |
| mjsir911 | about email hosting, I think the simplest solution would be to just use some shared hosting (we have webfaction right now) to act as an smtp relay | 11:49 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, what's the benefit of webfaction vs dns + gmail? | 11:50 |
| ubuntourist | I saw it but don't have any knowledge of such things. (Years ago, I ran my own service off of my desktop computer, but now I've sold my soul to Google.) | 11:50 |
| mjsir911 | Previously I set up dns to forward email, the problem there was that there was no way to send it in the reverse direction | 11:50 |
| mjsir911 | to send email from gmail from a different address you need a recieving smtp(?) server | 11:51 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, in some cases, like django, that's fine | 11:51 |
| mjsir911 | and namecheap has an option for that, just costs money per month per email address | 11:51 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, one way traffic | 11:51 |
| mjsir911 | yea, in which case dns is a perfectly alright solution | 11:51 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, +1 | 11:51 |
| mjsir911 | just recieving? | 11:51 |
| mjsir911 | dns allows you to forward mail, not only send mail. just clearing up one way traffic | 11:52 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, any thoughts on the coop powered email solutions? | 11:53 |
| jelkner | how are we setup mjsir911 to do that with novawebdevelopment.org? | 11:53 |
| jelkner | daniela needs it now | 11:53 |
| jelkner | we already have it | 11:53 |
| mjsir911 | We discussed riseup, but I don't really understand what *they do* and I couldn't find any pricings or anything so I rejected that option due to confusion | 11:54 |
| jelkner | i can use my gmail and select to send from novaweb | 11:54 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's possible due to our webfaction account | 11:54 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, novalaciro would need its own to have the same functionality | 11:55 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, am i right? | 11:55 |
| jelkner | how much per year? | 11:55 |
| mjsir911 | yea currently daniela is set up to send and recieve mail through daniela@novalaciro.org using webfaction | 11:55 |
| jelkner | novalaciro can purchase what it needs | 11:55 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, does novalaciro have its own webfaction? | 11:56 |
| mjsir911 | currently I set it up using our webfaction account, which I don't think costs us anything | 11:56 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, oh so we can "relay" other domains using our own account? | 11:56 |
| mjsir911 | yep | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | i don't think relay is the right word there... | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, ah nice | 11:57 |
| mjsir911 | it's acting as an smtp relay | 11:57 |
| mjsir911 | Does this sound reasonable as an email setup? As long as we keep webfaction it doesn't cost us anything | 11:58 |
| replaceafill | +0.5 | 11:58 |
| mjsir911 | anything else? | 11:58 |
| replaceafill | it's been working fine for our novawebdev emails | 11:58 |
| replaceafill | so i'm ok with it | 11:59 |
| replaceafill | it's cheap :) | 11:59 |
| replaceafill | thanks again mjsir911 | 11:59 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, do you have a few minutes after the meeting? | 11:59 |
| jelkner | yup | 11:59 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, to meet again? :D | 11:59 |
| jelkner | sure | 12:00 |
| ubuntourist | Not yet on the agenda: Campaign Hurricane ;-) a.k.a. the candidate from VT | 12:00 |
| lelkneralfaro | alright sounds like it for today | 12:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 12:01 |
| ubuntourist | I just sent email to jelkner zOnny and lelkneralfaro as well as Flint | 12:01 |
| jelkner | wuz up, replaceafill? | 12:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i just wanted to know the situation for LFOR | 12:02 |
| ubuntourist | asking for specific items, hoping that will focus him. | 12:02 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, will read shortly | 12:02 |
| jelkner | me too, replaceafill | 12:02 |
| jelkner | i'm frustrated | 12:02 |
| ubuntourist | (I'm playing the role of jelkner and being optimistic in the face of reality. ;-) ) | 12:02 |
| jelkner | i'll let you know as soon as i find out | 12:02 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i just want to let mr_german know what to expect work-wise | 12:02 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool, thanks | 12:02 |
| jelkner | i called rand a few minutes ago | 12:03 |
| jelkner | and didn't get through | 12:03 |
| mr_german | ok | 12:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah | 12:03 |
| jelkner | i'll email him | 12:03 |
| jelkner | and then follow up | 12:03 |
| ubuntourist | I'm hoping we can raise Mr. Flint on the line sometime today, but therein lies the usual chaos. | 12:03 |
| jelkner | expect to hear from me by mid week at the latest mr_german | 12:03 |
| jelkner | my apologies for the delay | 12:03 |
| jelkner | it is out of my controll | 12:03 |
| ubuntourist | And, just an aside: I've switched to Arch Linux and so everything is now broken on this computer. ;-) | 12:03 |
| ubuntourist | That's it for me for the moment. | 12:03 |
| jelkner | is that all, replaceafill? | 12:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes, thanks | 12:04 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro and i are talking about the upcoming ny and boston trip | 12:04 |
| mr_german | jelkner, sure, cool | 12:04 |
| jelkner | so we are going to continue that | 12:04 |
| replaceafill | cool | 12:04 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, we need invoices from you for novalaciro work | 12:05 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro said he will follow up with you on that | 12:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah sure | 12:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 12:05 |
| lelkneralfaro | okay. im out | 12:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, email sent to Mike asking for priorities | 12:25 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, please chime in if i missed anything | 12:25 |
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| jelkner | replaceafill, will you be around after our meeting with ormd? | 12:33 |
| jelkner | i heard back from susannah | 12:33 |
| jelkner | we are on for today | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, what time is the meeting? | 12:33 |
| jelkner | 1 pm | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah sure | 12:34 |
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| replaceafill | jelkner, i plan to work until 4 pm today | 12:34 |
| jelkner | perfect | 12:34 |
| jelkner | 4 pm our time? | 12:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 12:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny does novalaciro have an office? | 13:09 |
| zOnny | hey replaceafill | 13:10 |
| replaceafill | hey zOnny | 13:11 |
| zOnny | I noticed that Novalaciro has not an office yet replaceafill | 13:12 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ah ok, thanks | 13:12 |
| jelkner | replaceafill ping | 13:18 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, pong | 13:18 |
| jelkner | i had a great conversation with susannah | 13:19 |
| jelkner | you've seen the ormd website | 13:19 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 13:19 |
| jelkner | so, we want to basically take the same content | 13:20 |
| jelkner | and move it to a tendenci site | 13:20 |
| jelkner | that would be the easiest thing for mr_german to do | 13:20 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, whare are their current pain points? | 13:20 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, their design/structure looks decent | 13:20 |
| jelkner | current pain points mostly involve website performance | 13:21 |
| jelkner | users complain about pages not loading | 13:21 |
| jelkner | it being *really* slow on mobile devices | 13:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, hm ok | 13:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm not sure if we can top that | 13:21 |
| jelkner | really? | 13:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, tendenci is not lightning bolt either | 13:21 |
| jelkner | it looks like a lot of js flash that could be reduced | 13:22 |
| jelkner | are you saying usable websites can't be developed with tendenci? | 13:22 |
| jelkner | we would be in big trouble it that's true! :-( | 13:22 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm saying we haven't been paying any attention to performance of our sites | 13:23 |
| jelkner | understood | 13:23 |
| jelkner | but we can if we need to, yes? | 13:23 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yeah, it's been like: "ok instructions say put memcached here and forget about it" | 13:23 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and that's what we've been doing | 13:23 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you can fine tune it if needed | 13:24 |
| jelkner | so, the novalaciro website works great | 13:24 |
| jelkner | on mobile and desktop | 13:24 |
| jelkner | even on ubuntu phones ;-) | 13:24 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i bet ormd has a lot more users than novalaciro | 13:24 |
| jelkner | that may be what kyle was talking about | 13:24 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, right | 13:25 |
| jelkner | i don't think that is it | 13:25 |
| jelkner | the current site has *a lot* of flashy things | 13:25 |
| jelkner | a progress bar that keeps reloading continuously | 13:25 |
| jelkner | as the images change | 13:25 |
| jelkner | they want usability | 13:25 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, well, it's a "standard" slider | 13:25 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, right | 13:25 |
| jelkner | we can do usability, yes? | 13:26 |
| jelkner | if not, wer're in the wrong business :-( | 13:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, maybe the design shouldn't rely on that huge slider | 13:26 |
| jelkner | things like that | 13:26 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so at this point all they need is a cms? | 13:27 |
| jelkner | anyway, we have a google hangout next sunday at 1 pm | 13:27 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:27 |
| jelkner | mr_german's goal is to have their website up by next sunday | 13:27 |
| jelkner | at 1 pm | 13:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, a proposal, correct? | 13:28 |
| jelkner | proposal? | 13:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it's not like they've agreed on switching yet, right? | 13:28 |
| jelkner | yes they have | 13:28 |
| jelkner | oh, you missunderstood | 13:29 |
| jelkner | we want to have their website on tendenci as a dev server by next sunday | 13:29 |
| jelkner | then have a few iterations | 13:29 |
| jelkner | then switch | 13:29 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah ok | 13:29 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so mr_german will fly solo this week | 13:30 |
| jelkner | is that ok? | 13:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and get their feedback next weekend? | 13:30 |
| jelkner | yes | 13:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, got it | 13:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'll call him this afternoon | 13:30 |
| jelkner | so to clarify: | 13:30 |
| jelkner | 1. use the current website for both basic design and content as a "model" | 13:31 |
| jelkner | 2. convert to tendenci with cms | 13:31 |
| jelkner | 3. make any adjustments necessary to improve performance | 13:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, convert every single part? | 13:31 |
| jelkner | is that clear? | 13:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'd say "convert as much as possible" | 13:32 |
| jelkner | depending on time | 13:32 |
| jelkner | yes | 13:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, right | 13:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 13:32 |
| jelkner | they were hoping to have the switch in time of the primary | 13:32 |
| jelkner | so we are looking at the next few weeks | 13:32 |
| jelkner | it would help us a lot if we had it in place by the time louis and i go to the left forum | 13:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, is the primary on june 12th? | 13:32 |
| jelkner | no, that's virginia | 13:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, or is that a different date? | 13:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah ok | 13:33 |
| jelkner | june 26 i believe | 13:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah ok | 13:33 |
| replaceafill | ACTION writes that down | 13:33 |
| jelkner | but still, we would need it over the next few weeks to have an impact | 13:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 13:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, anything else? i'll call mr_german | 13:35 |
| jelkner | https://msa.maryland.gov/msa/mdmanual/41electp/html/forth.html | 13:35 |
| jelkner | confirmed | 13:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah thanks | 13:36 |
| replaceafill | Primary Elections | 13:36 |
| jelkner | i'll see you online tomorrow, replaceafill | 13:47 |
| jelkner | we need to keep all this moving fast during the next month | 13:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool, see you | 13:47 |
| jelkner | by june 1 | 13:47 |
| jelkner | when louis and i go to left forum | 13:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, did my email to mike make sense to you? | 13:47 |
| jelkner | we need to begin networking heavily | 13:48 |
| jelkner | yes! | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 13:48 |
| jelkner | good email to mike | 13:48 |
| jelkner | i'll follow up on that tomorrow | 13:48 |
| jelkner | also | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 13:48 |
| jelkner | if we don't hear from him | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | thanks | 13:48 |
| jelkner | i'll vote for voting | 13:48 |
| jelkner | if we don't | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | yeah | 13:48 |
| jelkner | btw. duncan small starts tomorrow | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | i should probably switch | 13:48 |
| jelkner | so we should find a good way for him to help | 13:48 |
| jelkner | later gater | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, later o/ | 13:49 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the day | 13:49 |
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