IRC log of #novawebdev for Wednesday, 2018-07-11

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jelknermorning hijo10:30
jelknerlelkneralfaro, that is ;-)10:30
jelknerubuntourist, r u actually here?10:30
jelknerif so, a rare honor indeed!10:31
lelkneralfarojelkner, morning :)10:31
jelknerlelkneralfaro, are you heading to nj friday?10:31
lelkneralfarojelkner, yes indeed leaving at 1:00 PM10:32
jelknersee if you can strike up a conversation with tio alan about the importance of reports ;-)10:32
jelknerdepending on his mood, he can wax very eloquently on that topic10:32
jelkneri'm always mentioning to replaceafill the "aelkner rule of thumb on it applications and managers"10:33
jelknerare you coming back to alex's for the game on sunday?10:33
jelknerACTION imagines ubuntourist is not here10:36
jelknerlelkneralfaro, we missed the deadline for submitting a talk to fosscon 201810:36
jelkneri'm getting together with ubuntourist on saturday, so i was hoping to work with him to submit a lightning talk about nova web10:37
jelknerwe need to get the word out10:37
jelknerand that would be a good way to do10:37
lelkneralfarojelkner, yes I'll be returning for the game10:37
jelknera lightning talk is 5 minutes10:37
jelknerthat's really all we need anyway10:37
lelkneralfarojelkner, yeah getting on talks like that is a great way to spread the word10:37
jelknerACTION is drafting email to ubuntourist about this10:47
jelknerlelkneralfaro, email sent10:51
jelknerlet's see what ubuntourist can figure out10:51
lelkneralfarojelkner, +110:52
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jelknerACTION just sent email introducting lelkneralfaro and jaz11:03
jelknermorning, replaceafill 11:03
lelkneralfarojelkner, thanks11:04
replaceafillgood morning jelkner11:04
jelkneri was about to submit more issues for aea, but i'd like to run them by you first11:04
jelkneronly 5 of the 14 people have voted so far11:05
jelknerthat means we can't move forward, since we don't have the majority of 8 needed to approve the bylaws11:05
ubuntouristThe minute I got on IRC, the phone rang, Jen wanted to converse, and Google Hangouts started ringing. So I was "here" but only in spirit.11:05
jelknerso i emailed you ubuntourist 11:05
jelknerwhich is your preferred communication channel in any case (since i don't tweet ;-)11:06
jelknerlet me know what you think about saturday after looking at the email11:06
ubuntouristExpecting ANOTHER call very soon. So, I'll see e-mail.11:06
jelknerreplaceafill, what can we do to see who i need to call about voting?11:06
replaceafilljelkner, easiest way is to give you admin on that instance11:07
jelkneri would love to be able to ask the computer (in my best William Shatner voice), "Computer, please give me a list of the names and phone numbers of the people who haven't voted yet."11:07
jelknerThat's useful!11:07
jelknerKeri couln't figure it out either11:08
replaceafilljelkner, unfortunately the system can only tell you who voted11:08
jelknershe could see "5 of 5 have voted"11:08
jelknerreplaceafill, it's software man11:08
jelknersounds like an intersection problem11:08
jelkner(set containing all eligible voters) intersect (set containing folks who voted)11:09
replaceafilljelkner, it's a "we're doing something else at the moment" problem11:09
jelknerokie dokie11:09
replaceafilljelkner, by something else i mean "updating infrastructure to use tendenci 11"11:09
replaceafilljelkner, i understand the issue in the long term11:09
jelkneri understand, replaceafill 11:09
replaceafilljelkner, but it won't be quick11:09
jelkneri would say medium term11:09
replaceafilljelkner, i can get the list for you11:09
replaceafilljelkner, if that's good enough for now11:10
jelknerthis is for lelkneralfaro's benefit as much as anyone11:10
jelknersince he will be closest to customers11:10
jelknerhe's heading to nj this weekend to visit his uncle, from whom i'm hoping he can get an earful of this11:10
jelknerour problem as geeks / developers is we will tend to favor technical issues over useful customer features11:11
jelknerthat's the big story aelkner was trying to communicated to me11:11
jelknerit's natural, since it's the way we see the world11:11
replaceafilljelkner, i agree11:11
jelknerbut our success will only come when users say "i can't live without that nova web development, they make my life sooo much easier!"11:12
jelkneranyway, enough for now11:12
jelkneri'll just file an issue11:12
replaceafilljelkner, filing the issue is fine, but we have means to get the data you want11:13
jelknerand let replaceafill get back to his important work ;-)11:13
replaceafilljelkner, option  A. train Kari to do it for you11:13
replaceafilljelkner, option B. use our own admin accout to do it for you11:13
jelkneri figured with only 14 people, i could just call everyone11:14
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replaceafilljelkner, option C. train you to do it using our admin account11:14
jelknerwe talked about b before11:14
jelkneri resisted since it is a workaround that will hurt us in the long run11:14
replaceafilljelkner, i agree11:14
replaceafilljelkner, but we have a serious planning problem11:14
jelkneri think filing issues is ok for now11:14
replaceafilljelkner, ok11:14
replaceafilljelkner, stand corrected11:15
jelknerwe do have a serious planning problem11:15
jelknerand it ain't going away11:15
replaceafilljelkner, *i* have a serios planning problem11:15
jelknerwe are under staffed11:15
jelknerand have ambitious dreams11:15
jelknerso we need to muddle through as best we can until we make a breakthrough11:15
jelkneri'm not trying to distract you, replaceafill 11:16
jelkneras lelkneralfaro and i discussed yesterday11:16
jelkneryou two need to stay focused11:16
replaceafilljelkner, my goal for this week is to have lfor and our site setup with tendenci 1111:16
jelknersince i'm out in the trenches i'll contantantly be phoning in new things that we need11:16
replaceafilljelkner, and our site using helios by then11:16
jelkneryou need to resist me11:16
jelknerand tell me to "file an issue please"11:17
jelknerbiting the bullet is what we agreed11:17
jelknerok, back to work for me11:17
replaceafilljelkner, ok11:17
replaceafilljelkner, i plan to email Luisa toda11:17
replaceafilljelkner, but how are we going to train her?11:18
jelknereither lelkneralfaro or i should do that11:18
jelknerwe can talk to her over the phone11:18
replaceafilljelkner, cool11:18
jelknerwhile she is in front of a computer11:18
replaceafilljelkner, i'll cc you both11:18
replaceafilljelkner, thanks11:18
jelkneri'll be emailing her too11:18
jelknerlater gater11:18
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jelknerreplaceafill and lelkneralfaro, email just sent to luisa11:43
replaceafilljelkner, looks good, thanks11:45
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, have a moment? I have a question about events11:46
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, sure11:46
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, selecting criteria when trying to create them that is11:47
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lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, so when creating the event there is a place to select groups11:47
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I have tested it by creating a group which I am not a part of11:48
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, to see if I would still be able to register for the event11:48
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, and I was able to, so I am unsure what the group selection has to do with anything11:48
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, would you happen to know?11:48
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i think what you want is the group option in "pricing"11:49
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, not the event itself11:50
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i mean, each pricing option can have groups11:50
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and it's similar to what we discussed yesterday about public, user and member11:50
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, but in that only users in those groups can "register"11:51
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, afaik the groups in the event itself is only used for filtering11:52
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, what is filtering? when creating the event in the overview section there is an option to select groups, there is also an option in the pricing section11:53
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, let me try something11:55
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, +111:55
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ok11:56
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, it seems like the filtering option doesn't work in this theme11:57
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, so regarding filtering11:57
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, you see a search box there11:57
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and a dropdown with All11:58
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, the dropdown allows you to filter by event type11:58
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, we don't have types in that instance11:58
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, but you can add types from the megamenu Events -> Event Types11:59
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, continuing with filtering11:59
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, in the code the groups in the overview section11:59
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, are used if they're passed11:59
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, but currently there's no way to pass any group11:59
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, just event types (through the dropdown)12:00
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, does that make sense?12:00
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, to sum up:12:00
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yes it does, I just created an event type12:00
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ah cool12:00
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, when I create an event can I select that it is part of the event type?12:00
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, yes12:00
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, and then use the filtering?12:00
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, you can edit existing events too12:01
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and change their tyep12:01
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, but I can't filter by group12:01
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, got it12:01
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, correct12:01
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, :)12:01
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I suppose it would be good to be able to restrict registration to certain groups12:01
mr_germangood morning replaceafill 12:01
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, let me check something else :)12:01
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ah yes12:02
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, the event group is useful but in other part of the system12:02
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, if you see
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, we display "Our Events"12:03
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, that's work done by the templates12:03
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, event group is useful for *theming*12:03
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, where you can instruct your templates "filter by this group"12:03
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, ahh I see 12:04
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, yes, the group in the pricing options is used for query if you're entitled to use that price12:04
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, when registering12:04
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, got it :)12:07
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, thanks!12:07
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I guess these details should go into the documentation12:07
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, so that users don't get confused12:07
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, +112:07
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i think it's worth you read some of the outdated docs12:08
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, regarding events12:08
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, this one for instance still applies
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, you don't need to go back to edit the even though :)12:08
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, you can do that when you're adding it12:09
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I was looking for that before asking... but I looked in the "event help files" should have been looking for the "calendar events"12:09
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ah12:09
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, thanks for pointing me in the right direction12:09
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, yes12:09
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, the "Events" one is really empty :D12:09
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, just the redirect iirc12:09
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yes it was not encouraging lol, I had to run to you12:09
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and as you can see in that last one even the screenshots are out of date :(12:10
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, but we get the idea at least12:10
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yes those help files will be be helpful :D12:11
mr_germanreplaceafill, could we meet at 2pm *our time*?12:27
replaceafillmr_german, sure12:28
jelknerreplaceafill, talking to keri13:22
jelknershe doesn't know where to find who voted13:22
jelknercould we give her a screen shot or something?13:23
replaceafilljelkner, want me to send her an email?13:23
replaceafilljelkner, sure13:23
replaceafilljelkner, give me a couple of minutes to pause and i'll email her13:23
jelkneri'm going to follow up with the non-voters as soon as i know who they are13:24
replaceafilljelkner, do you mind if i turn this into a google doc instead?13:30
replaceafilljelkner, it'll just take a couple of extra minutes13:31
replaceafilljelkner, i don't want these screenshots lost in an email :)13:31
replaceafilljelkner, email sent13:42
jelknerreplaceafill, email sent ;-)14:01
jelkneri'm entering a meeting on ora website14:01
replaceafilljelkner, :)14:01
jelkneri want to take attendance14:01
replaceafilljelkner, set it with Attendance Event type14:02
jelknerthat should be the only type14:02
jelknerand then the dialog box could be eliminated14:02
jelknerwe don't want events where we don't take attendance14:02
replaceafilljelkner, file issue? :)14:02
jelkneron it14:03
replaceafilljelkner, ora-ams project14:03
replaceafilljelkner, in my opinion this are the kind of requests we don't want for all of our projects14:03
jelkneri'm not so sure14:04
jelknerit's all about the data14:04
jelknerwhy would you ever want to not get data?14:04
replaceafilljelkner, "douglas funeral" for instance14:05
jelknerwe still want to know who was there14:05
jelknerso we know who truly loved douglas14:05
replaceafilljelkner, :))14:05
replaceafilljelkner, ok, i'll drop it for now, it's just feels "limiting"14:05
jelkneri can imaging several kinds of events14:06
jelkneropen to general public14:06
jelknerinvite only14:06
jelknerbut attendance should work for all of them14:06
replaceafilljelkner, good compromise would be to implement with a setting14:06
replaceafilljelkner, setting on by default14:06
replaceafilljelkner, meaning "hide type"14:06
replaceafilljelkner, cool14:06
replaceafilljelkner, i'll add this to the issue14:07
jelknerbut "Attendance" event is not a type14:07
replaceafilljelkner, right14:07
jelknerinstead it should be a feature of any type14:07
jelknerand always on by default14:07
jelknermore later14:07
replaceafilljelkner, +114:07
jelknerping replaceafill 14:11
jelkneri just forward you an email14:11
replaceafilljelkner, pong14:11
replaceafilljelkner, checking...14:11
replaceafilljelkner, seems like she didn't14:12
replaceafilljelkner, want me to investigate the logs?14:12
jelkneri need to email back to her14:15
jelknersince we will not only need this election, but then chair and treasurer14:15
replaceafilljelkner, it looks like she hasn't even activated her account14:16
jelknerso, how can we help her do that?14:17
jelkneris there a way to generate another invite email?14:18
jelknerthat she can use to activate her account?14:18
jelknerthen i can email her saying "you should have just received an email inviting you to activate your account"14:18
replaceafilljelkner, checking14:18
replaceafilljelkner, we could resend it, but i'm not sure the token will  still be valid14:20
replaceafilljelkner, we sent her the activation email on may 1st14:20
replaceafilljelkner, we can request the password reset for her14:20
replaceafilljelkner, and she'll get the email14:20
replaceafilljelkner, let me try14:20
replaceafilljelkner, done14:23
replaceafilljelkner, you can email her telling her that14:23
replaceafilljelkner, this may be a problem for everybody though :(14:24
replaceafilljelkner, i mean, for members who haven't activated their account14:24
replaceafilljelkner, all their tokens have expired by now14:24
jelknerwelcome, to the "real world" :-(14:26
jelknerok, i'll email her now14:26
jelknertelling her to look out for the activation email14:27
replaceafilljelkner, +114:27
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DizaReplacefill, hola14:31
jelknerreplaceafill, email sent14:37
replaceafilljelkner, lol14:39
replaceafilljelkner, gallivanting around the world :D14:39
replaceafilljelkner, i didn't know that word14:39
replaceafillhola Diza!14:39
replaceafillDiza, te faltó una "a" en mi nick :P14:39
replaceafillDiza, por eso no me fijé que habías hablado14:39
DizaReplaceafill, una duda desde outlook puedo mandar el email a todos los miembros como lo hacia en trunderbird?14:41
replaceafillDiza, sí14:41
replaceafillDiza, sólo asegurate que estés usando organizer@14:41
DizaRepleceafill, oh no me habia fijado lo del nombre :P14:41
replaceafillDiza, y el correo vaya a members@novalaciro.org14:41
zOnnymjsir911: are u around ?14:44
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Danyreplaceafill, se me cerro la pagina de la nada, disculpa14:47
replaceafillDany, ah np14:47
replaceafillDany, por si no recibiste los mensajes:14:50
replaceafill Diza, sólo asegurate que estés usando organizer@14:50
replaceafill Diza, y el correo vaya a members@novalaciro.org14:50
Danyreplaceafill, gracias, me podrias recordar por favor como es que debo entrar para agregar gente a esa lista por favor14:52
replaceafillDany, en el megamenu14:53
replaceafillDany, Community -> Groups14:53
replaceafillDany, o Grupos :)14:53
replaceafillDany, luego en Mailing list: NOVALACIRO Members14:53
Danyreplaceafill, oh ok ok14:53
replaceafillDany, y abajo en Opciones -> Agregar miembro14:53
Danyreplaceafill, ok muchas gracias 14:56
replaceafillDany, np14:56
jelknerreplaceafill, i'm signing off for the day15:23
replaceafilljelkner, cool15:23
jelkneri'll be back on at 10 am tomorow15:23
replaceafilljelkner, see you tomorrow15:23
replaceafilljelkner, kk15:23
jelknerDany, are you coming to the library tomorrow?15:23
jelknerDiego has been doing great work15:23
jelknerwe sent in both the quarterly payment and the name change form yesterday15:24
jelknerso tomorrow we need to complete the report to CCHD and begin planning the picnic.15:24
jelknerit would be good to have you there, Dany 15:24
jelknerACTION signs off for the day15:25
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replaceafillmr_german, ready?16:00
mr_germanyes replaceafill 16:00
replaceafillmr_german, is it ok if i call you on the phone?16:00
replaceafillmr_german, i don't think my bandwitdh is good for a hang out today16:00
replaceafillmr_german, kk calling16:00
zOnnyreplaceafill: busy ?16:39
replaceafillzOnny, sort of16:39
replaceafillzOnny, need any help?16:39
zOnnyreplaceafill: how much of ram I will be using with tendenci ?16:40
replaceafillzOnny, 4 GB is recommended16:41
replaceafillzOnny, is this for your VM?16:41
zOnnyreplaceafill: correct16:41
replaceafillzOnny, i think Tendenci 11 can start with less, but I haven't tried16:42
replaceafillzOnny, can you set 4 GB for it?16:42
zOnnyreplaceafill: I have 5G available16:42
replaceafillzOnny, in your host pc?16:42
zOnnyreplaceafill: MemFree:         1553568 kB16:43
zOnnyreplaceafill: MemTotal:        8146004 kB16:44
zOnnyMemFree:         1553568 kB16:44
zOnnyMemAvailable:    5411280 kB16:44
replaceafillzOnny, can you set swap memory for your VM?16:45
zOnnyreplaceafill: not sure16:45
replaceafillzOnny, try 2 GB then16:46
zOnnyreplaceafill: it is my first time seeting this up16:46
replaceafillzOnny, ok16:46
replaceafillzOnny, swap memory is disk that your VM can use when it runs out of RAM16:47
replaceafillzOnny, that's what we do in our servers16:47
replaceafillzOnny, our servers have 2 GB RAM and 4 GB of swap16:47
replaceafillzOnny, oh ok16:48
replaceafillzOnny,  you have 8 GB in your host pc16:48
replaceafillzOnny, not 516:48
replaceafillzOnny, try 2 GB16:48
replaceafillzOnny, and just 1 cp is fine16:48
zOnnyreplaceafill: is this in MB ?16:49
replaceafillzOnny, your screenshot? yes16:49
zOnnyreplaceafill: ram seems in MB correct ?16:49
replaceafillzOnny, yes16:50
replaceafillzOnny, set 204816:50
zOnny2G = 2020MB ?16:50
zOnnyreplaceafill: ok16:50
replaceafillzOnny, if your VM dies while installing tendenci or the process gets killed16:51
replaceafillzOnny, try again with 3072 and then 409616:52
zOnnyreplaceafill: uhhmmmm hopefully will not happen it16:53
replaceafillzOnny, 20 GB is fine16:53
replaceafillzOnny, what program is that?16:54
replaceafillzOnny, oh never mind16:54
replaceafillzOnny, "Virtual Machine Manager"16:54
zOnnyreplaceafill: correct16:54
zOnnyreplaceafill: is this the name of my machine?16:57
zOnnyreplaceafill: the tutorials are old 16:57
zOnnyreplaceafill: they don't have the same windows :(16:58
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replaceafillzOnny, by name i think it's just an identifier like testingoat16:58
replaceafillzOnny, oh, be careful16:58
replaceafillzOnny, don't run many VMs if they use a lot of your RAM16:58
zOnnyreplaceafill: can I ask Why ?16:59
replaceafillzOnny, like 4 VMs of 2 GB16:59
replaceafillzOnny, they'll use up all your host RAM16:59
replaceafillzOnny, probably locking your pc16:59
replaceafillzOnny, it's like splitting your pc's resources16:59
zOnnyreplaceafill: oh no!17:00
zOnnyreplaceafill: I need to take note of it17:00
replaceafillzOnny, just a recommendation17:00
replaceafillzOnny, several can run fine if they're not "busy"17:01
replaceafillzOnny, just be careful17:01
zOnnyreplaceafill: should I allow the partitions by default ?17:05
replaceafillzOnny, screenshot?17:05
replaceafillzOnny, ah sure, Entire Disk is fine17:07
replaceafillzOnny, unless you want to customize ;)17:07
zOnnyreplaceafill: I can modify it later right ?17:09
replaceafillzOnny, go with Done for now17:09
replaceafillzOnny, if your VM dies you'll need to Edit partitions17:10
zOnnyreplaceafill: ok :(17:12
zOnnyreplaceafill: Import SSH indentity: YES or NO17:12
replaceafillzOnny, only if you have your github ssh keys set and updated17:13
zOnnyreplaceafill: NO ?17:14
replaceafillzOnny, it's not necessary17:14
zOnnyreplaceafill: it is rebooting :S17:16
zOnnyreplaceafill: something went wrong :(17:16
replaceafillzOnny, seems fine17:19
zOnnyreplaceafill: where is my GUI ?17:19
replaceafillzOnny, did you use an .iso file to set it up?17:20
zOnnyreplaceafill: yes 17:20
replaceafillzOnny, what's the name?17:20
zOnnyreplaceafill: ubuntu-18.04-live-server-amd64.iso17:23
replaceafillzOnny, see the "server" part17:23
replaceafillzOnny, if you want UI you need "desktop"17:23
replaceafillzOnny, why do you even need the UI?17:23
zOnnyreplaceafill: :D17:23
zOnnyreplaceafill: I cannot login :(17:26
replaceafillzOnny, why not?17:27
zOnnyreplaceafill: seems that the Keyboard doesn't respond correctly17:32
replaceafillzOnny, maybe you set up a different layout?17:32
zOnnyreplaceafill: maybe :(17:33
replaceafillzOnny, get rid of the VM and create a new one :)17:33
replaceafillzOnny, you can set some simple name and password17:34
replaceafillzOnny, i usually use ubuntu:ubuntu17:34
replaceafillzOnny, or root:root17:34
replaceafillzOnny, for VMs17:34
replaceafillzOnny, don't get too fancy with the passwords ;)17:34
replaceafilltime for me to leave17:35
replaceafillgood luck zOnny17:35
replaceafillzOnny, ttyl o/17:35
zOnnyreplaceafill: well, seems that is only the Caps Lock17:36
zOnnyHello ?17:37
zOnnyWorld ?17:37
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