IRC log of #novawebdev for Thursday, 2018-07-12

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jelknergood morning hrodriguez!10:39
hrodriguezHi jelkner 10:39
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jelknerhrodriguez, you're coming with us tomorrow, yes?11:03
jelknergood morning, lelkneralfaro 11:03
jelknermjsir911, are you coming in today?11:03
jelknernathan could use your help11:04
lelkneralfarojelkner, good morning11:04
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hrodriguezyes, I will be there tomorrow jelkner 11:08
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jelknergood morning, replaceafill 11:25
replaceafillgood morning jelkner11:25
jelknerjust sent an email to laura larco11:25
jelknershe couldn't register with our website from her phone11:26
jelknershe plans to try again from peru11:26
jelkneri'll make phone calls this weekend to try to get two more folks to vote11:26
replaceafilljelkner, any reason why she couldn't?11:27
jelkneri don't know11:27
replaceafilljelkner, ok11:27
jelknerbut you can ask her (in spanish, her first language ;-)11:27
zOnnyhey replaceafill 11:35
replaceafillhey zOnny11:35
zOnnyreplaceafill: new tendenci installation is confuse11:36
replaceafillzOnny, which part?11:36
zOnnyreplaceafill: the /conf/settings.py11:36
replaceafillzOnny, why?11:36
replaceafillzOnny, i find it simpler :)11:36
replaceafilljelkner, when did you get the Oops page?11:38
replaceafilljelkner, on requesting your password reset?11:38
zOnnyreplaceafill: I will try again11:40
zOnnyreplaceafill: one question11:40
zOnnyreplaceafill: should I make the installation in the /srv ? 11:41
zOnnyreplaceafill: or it doesn't matter at all11:41
replaceafillzOnny, +111:42
replaceafillzOnny, it doesn't matter really11:42
replaceafillzOnny, it's just a venv11:42
replaceafillzOnny, but i'd recommend to try to stay as close to the docs as possible11:42
replaceafillzOnny, at least until we get more familiar with 1111:42
zOnnyreplaceafill: I think that is why didn't work well11:43
zOnnyI will follow the Docs so11:43
replaceafillzOnny, if you have tracebacks paste them so i can help11:43
zOnnyreplaceafill: ok11:44
replaceafilljelkner, ah found your oops in the logs11:44
jelknerwhat went wrong?11:45
replaceafilljelkner, looks like a bug:11:46
replaceafilldjango.urls.exceptions.NoReverseMatch: Reverse for 'auth_password_reset_confirm' not found. 'auth_password_reset_confirm' is not a valid view function or pattern name.11:46
replaceafilljelkner, investigating11:46
replaceafillyou gottta love version control!
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mr_germanreplaceafill, it looks really good12:14
replaceafillmr_german, you did a great job12:15
mr_germanreplaceafill, thanks! x)12:15
jelknerreplaceafill, as zOnny can witness, the new.labor4or is painfully slow12:32
replaceafilljelkner, yeah, i've noticed it too12:33
replaceafilljelkner, but i thought it was my connection12:33
jelknerno, it is happening here too12:34
replaceafilljelkner, cool, will investigate12:34
jelknerand i'm still awaiting the email to reset my password12:34
replaceafilljelkner, did you request it again?12:34
jelknerthese bullets are tough to chew ;-)12:35
jelkneryes, i just did12:35
replaceafilljelkner, i can see the email was sent 3 minutes ago12:35
jelkneri have a screen saying "successful" and that an email will be coming12:35
jelkneri didn't get it12:35
jelknerit may be better to use jeff.elkner@gmail.com12:35
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok12:35
jelknerso we don't have so many redirections12:36
replaceafilljelkner, let me change your email then12:36
replaceafilljelkner, email changed, please request your password again12:40
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny it's definitely something in the theme that makes it slow12:42
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny the django admin flies12:42
replaceafillmr_german, see the bottom list12:44
replaceafillmr_german, Jeff's name12:45
replaceafillmr_german, and the NOVA logo12:45
replaceafillmr_german, zOnny it seems like the django templating in 1.11 is more strict than 1.812:45
replaceafillmr_german, zOnny let me know if you hit any block trying to set up tendenci 1112:47
zOnnyreplaceafill: Oops12:47
replaceafillmr_german, zOnny it looks like we'll need to test/update our current themes12:48
zOnnyI hit one already :(12:48
zOnnyreplaceafill: hwat should I start a tendenci project in /var/www ?12:48
replaceafillzOnny, the docs are designed for a *server* setup12:49
replaceafillzOnny, mjsir911 can probably tell you better reasons :)12:49
replaceafillzOnny, but it's not mandatory12:49
zOnnywell I didn't follow these steps yesterday12:49
replaceafillzOnny, if you're confortable with bash12:50
zOnnyI got Errors 12:50
zOnnyI deleted my emtire VM :(12:50
zOnnyI am starting over again12:50
zOnnyreplaceafill: I am learning how to use "$(id -u -n)"12:52
replaceafillzOnny, you can just use the username12:52
zOnnyreplaceafill: seems like jquery 12:52
zOnnyreplaceafill: you mean that I don't need to use the flag -n ?12:53
replaceafillzOnny, you don't need any of the $(...) call12:53
replaceafillzOnny, it'll just get you the username you're using12:54
zOnnyreplaceafill: I am just doing everything as closest  possible12:54
replaceafillzOnny, sure12:55
replaceafillzOnny, but you need to understand the "I got Errors" won't help anyone12:55
replaceafillzOnny, nor  "I deleted my emtire VM :("12:55
zOnnyreplaceafill: I know 12:56
replaceafillzOnny, you need to provide screenshots, pastes, URLs12:56
zOnnyreplaceafill: *zOnny is hard to understand 12:56
zOnnyreplaceafill: so far no errors yet12:57
replaceafillzOnny, great12:57
zOnnyreplaceafill: is it fine that I didn't get ?13:09
replaceafillzOnny, there's no local_* modules anymore in tendenci 1113:09
replaceafillzOnny, so yes13:09
zOnnyreplaceafill: ok13:09
zOnnyreplaceafill: should I the password generator ?13:10
replaceafillzOnny, what for?13:10
replaceafillzOnny, the DATABASE configuration?13:10
zOnnySECRET_KEY = ''13:11
zOnnySITE_SETTINGS_KEY = ''13:11
replaceafillzOnny, you can use any string you want13:11
replaceafillzOnny, as long as is at least 50 chars13:11
zOnnyshoot I am memorizing 13:11
replaceafillzOnny, but stay close, right? ;)13:11
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, quick question13:12
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, yes?13:12
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, when creating a new user what is the best procedure for creating a password?13:13
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, make one for them and ask them to change it?13:13
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, or, I think i remember some email being sent out so that the user can make their own password?13:13
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, in the add user page, there's a checkbox " Use auto generated password"13:14
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yeah I'm seeing that13:14
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, but that's users13:14
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, remember the difference between users and members?13:14
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, membership applications don't have that functionality (the checkbox)13:15
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yup, I'm exploring creating a user13:15
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, but members do receive an email with the password reset automatically13:15
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, the welcome email13:15
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, when their membership is approved13:15
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, so in the recent case for Jeff and Luisa for LFOR13:16
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i just used the checkboxs in the add user page13:16
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and asked them to go to /login and request the reset themselves13:16
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, okay I almost understand, let me investigate the member application so I understand better13:17
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, cool13:17
zOnnyreplaceafill: quick question13:19
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replaceafillzOnny, yes?13:19
zOnnyshould I uncomment the DATABASES after overrinding those correct ?13:20
zOnnyreplaceafill: I mean in the 13:22
replaceafillzOnny, yes13:22
mr_germanreplaceafill, tendenci 11 is running =)13:22
replaceafillmr_german, :|13:22
replaceafillmr_german, great13:23
replaceafillmr_german, now set up the lfor theme13:23
mr_germansame steps for the override13:23
mr_germanof the boxs13:23
replaceafillmr_german, yes13:23
replaceafillmr_german, clone tendenci_overrides, add it to INSTALLED_APPS13:23
replaceafillmr_german, oh13:23
replaceafillmr_german, for installed apps you'll want13:23
replaceafillmr_german, INSTALLED_APPS = ['tendenci_overrides'] + INSTALLED_APPS13:24
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, to clarify, a member is a user with more permissions correct? 13:30
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, a member is a user with a membership :)13:32
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, you can turn any user into a member13:32
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, any existing user13:32
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, but you can't create a member (or membership) without a user attached13:32
replaceafillzOnny, sudo mkdir /var/log/tendenci13:33
replaceafillzOnny, sudo chown "$(id -u -n)": /var/log/tendenci/13:33
replaceafillzOnny, did you created that directory? ^13:34
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, lol, yes that's how I understood it. and then members and users can be differentiated to have different privileges? 13:34
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, correct13:34
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, +113:34
zOnnyreplaceafill: should I ?13:35
replaceafillzOnny, it's in the docs for a reason ;)13:35
replaceafillzOnny, alternatively you can tweak the paths in settings.py13:35
replaceafillzOnny, to an existing directory13:35
replaceafillzOnny, but -1 on that last approach13:35
zOnnyreplaceafill: I tweaked it before 13:38
replaceafillzOnny, untweak it :)13:40
replaceafillzOnny, and create the /var/log/tendenci directory13:40
mr_germanreplaceafill, the theme runs successfully but, when I go to the homepage it says something13:41
replaceafillmr_german, paste or screenshot?13:41
replaceafillmr_german, also activate settings.DEBUG = True13:41
mr_germandebug done13:42
replaceafillmr_german, so you don't get "Ooops" pages13:42
mr_germanevery page works however, the homepage it says there's an error with override13:43
mr_germanlet me take13:43
mr_germana pic13:43
replaceafillmr_german, ok13:43
replaceafillmr_german, unicode?13:43
replaceafillmr_german, yep13:44
replaceafillmr_german, hold on13:44
mr_german everything else seems to be working13:45
replaceafillmr_german, pull tendenci_overrides13:46
mr_germanreplaceafill, now it works ;)13:47
replaceafillmr_german, /profiles should be broken for you13:47
replaceafillmr_german, can you confirm?13:47
mr_germanreplaceafill, it is broken13:48
replaceafillmr_german, right13:48
replaceafillmr_german, let me push the theme changes13:48
replaceafillmr_german, give me a moment13:48
lelkneralfarohrodriguez, are you around?13:50
hrodriguezyes, lelkneralfaro 13:54
lelkneralfarohrodriguez, I am trying to add you as a user on our site did you receive an email?13:55
replaceafillmr_german, gitlab is having a hiccup:13:55
replaceafillremote: GitLab: API is not accessible13:55
mr_germanreplaceafill, oh13:56
hrodriguezlelkneralfaro, No I haven't receive an email from you 13:57
replaceafillmr_german, merged13:59
replaceafillmr_german, through gitlab :S13:59
replaceafillmr_german, pull latest lfor_dev/lfor_prod13:59
replaceafillmr_german, and let me know if that fixes the profile index14:00
mr_germanreplaceafill, ok, let me check14:01
mr_germanreplaceafill, yep, it works14:01
replaceafillmr_german, cool14:01
mr_germanoh, I can see the issue14:01
replaceafillmr_german, do you see the issue14:02
replaceafillmr_german, excellent14:02
lelkneralfarohrodriguez, okay let me look into it14:02
replaceafillmr_german, please fix it14:02
mr_germanreplaceafill, ok14:02
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, user creation doesn't trigger emails14:03
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, member approval does14:03
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, but hrodriguez can go to the site and request the password reset now14:03
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, using that email you set14:03
mr_germanACTION goes to take his lunch14:05
hrodriguezlelkneralfaro, I'm in our website should I click on reset password?14:08
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lelkneralfarohrodriguez, sorry stepped away for a sec yes14:19
lelkneralfarohrodriguez, please reset password14:19
lelkneralfarohrodriguez, your login is heylin.rodriguez14:19
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, thanks, yes I suspected that was the case14:19
hrodriguezok, I will do that lelkneralfaro 14:20
lelkneralfarohrodriguez, +114:20
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, just fyi in password reset you use emails not usernames :)14:20
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, the reset email tells you your username14:21
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, ahh yes.14:22
lelkneralfarohrodriguez, your email is your novaweb email14:22
hrodriguezgot it thanks lelkneralfaro 14:22
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, do you know what it means for a user to be active, pending or inactive?14:23
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, does it correspond to user abilities?14:23
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, yes those are maps with membership iirc14:24
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, but i better check14:25
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, can i answer that later?14:25
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, :)14:25
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, file an issue!14:25
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, will do :)14:26
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I also filed an issue this morning regarding adding attachments in forums14:26
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ah yes, i saw it14:26
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i'll try to get to it asap14:26
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, still juggling with 1114:27
hrodriguezlelkneralfaro, I think I'm done but i didn't receive the email14:27
replaceafillhrodriguez, i can see the email being sent 4 minutes ago14:28
jelknerreplaceafill, i'm back from lunch14:28
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, +114:28
jelknerand available to test lfor at your command14:28
replaceafilljelkner, could you try the reset password one more time?14:28
replaceafilljelkner, i changed your email to your gmail14:29
replaceafilljelkner, and i'm curious now if hrodriguez is hitting the same problem with our accounts not getting the email14:29
jelknerask her14:29
jelknershe'll be with us tomorrow14:29
jelknerhrodriguez, r u here?14:29
replaceafilljelkner, i just told her the email was sent14:30
jelknerare you interested in coming to gallaudet on sunday?14:30
jelknerzOnny and i are meeting ubunturist there14:30
jelknerat the usual time14:30
jelknerwe can ask you tomorrow14:30
hrodriguezof course jelkner14:31
replaceafillhrodriguez,  jelkner could you check your spam folders in case you don't get the password reset email?14:31
hrodriguezreplaceafill, yes the email is there14:32
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replaceafillhrodriguez, in spam?14:33
hrodriguezyes replaceafill 14:33
replaceafillhrodriguez, ok, good to know14:33
jelknerhmmm, replaceafill the process worked fast this time14:34
jelknerbut after resetting my password, it won't let me login14:34
jelkneri can try again14:34
replaceafilljelkner, please14:34
jelknerto confirm i'm typing everything correctly14:34
replaceafilljelkner, ok14:34
hrodriguezsame to me replaceafill 14:35
DizaReplaceafill, hi, i get a message from our president about a mistake in the traslation of the name of NOVALACIRO14:35
replaceafillDiza, ouch14:36
lelkneralfarojelkner, can I bother you for a 5 minute task?14:36
jelknertwice in a row14:37
replaceafilljelkner, ok, let me check14:37
jelknerreplaceafill, one more thing14:37
DizaReplaceafill, he wants that it say “Organizacion Latina de Derechos Civiles del Norte de Virginia”14:37
jelknerThe message "Password reset successful" is misleading14:38
jelknerit should say "Password reset request successful"14:38
jelkneror something like that14:38
jelknersince you haven't reset your password yet14:38
replaceafilljelkner, can you file an issue :)14:38
replaceafilljelkner, i agree14:38
replaceafillDiza, makes sense14:39
replaceafillDiza, regarding the website, we only need to update the top banner, correct?14:39
lelkneralfarozOnny, could I bother you for help with a task. it will take 5 minutes14:39
DizaReplaceafill, well I would like that we update the new design of the web as well14:40
jelknerreplaceafill, do we have a labor4or project?14:40
jelkneri don't see where to file the issue14:40
replaceafilljelkner, oh14:40
replaceafilljelkner, i don't think so14:40
replaceafilljelkner, let me create it14:40
replaceafillDiza, what zOnny was working on?14:40
DizaReplaceafill, yeah, that one14:42
replaceafillzOnny, what's the status of that work?14:42
replaceafillzOnny, i mean, novalaciro's theme update?14:42
replaceafilljelkner, i don't see anything that would prevent you from logging in14:43
replaceafilljelkner, are you using firefox?14:47
jelkneri am using firefox14:49
jelknerand issue filed, replaceafill 14:49
replaceafilljelkner, could you try chrome for logging in?14:50
jelknerACTION goes to try chrom14:50
jelknersame behavior on chrome14:54
jelknerreplaceafill, still can't login14:54
replaceafilljelkner, ok14:54
jelkneri get "The username and/or password you specified are not correct."14:55
replaceafilljelkner, username being jeff.elkner correct?14:55
jelkneroh, i put jeff.elkner@gmail.com14:56
replaceafilljelkner, :)14:56
replaceafilljelkner, you don't read our emails :'(14:56
replaceafilljelkner, which we crafted so carefully14:56
replaceafilljelkner, with all our love :D14:56
jelkneron aea you use the email14:56
jelknerlike i've said many times, my dear friend, i'm a good tester14:57
replaceafilljelkner, actually i left the usernames out of my email to Luisa on purpose14:57
jelknersince nothing is foolproof, since fools are so ingenious!14:57
lelkneralfarojelkner, when you are through with that can I get five minutes of your time?14:57
jelkneri'm logged in now14:58
replaceafilljelkner, well you're a superuser in LFOR14:58
jelknersince i used the correct user name14:58
replaceafilljelkner, you can change your own username14:58
mr_germanACTION is back14:58
jelknerhold on14:58
jelknerreplaceafill, we want a easy to follow standard14:58
jelknernot choices14:58
replaceafilljelkner, we don't have memberships defined for LFOR yet14:59
jelknerunless dealing with fools like me and our silly confusions is what you consider fun14:59
replaceafilljelkner, your account and Luisas are just user accounts14:59
replaceafilljelkner, not memberships14:59
replaceafilljelkner, i know, but you were not part of any "official" workflow14:59
jelkneri understand, but the rule still applies14:59
replaceafilljelkner, i mean, the creation of your account14:59
jelkneruser: i can't remember my user name15:00
jelknernovawebdeve: its the email you use with the system15:00
replaceafilljelkner, novawebdeve: it's in your password reset email15:00
jelkneruser: i can't find the password reset email15:01
jelkneri know, i can request another15:01
replaceafilljelkner, egg chicken discussion :P15:01
replaceafilljelkner, joke15:01
jelknerfine, let's see how it plays out in practice15:01
replaceafilljelkner, sure15:01
replaceafilljelkner, again15:01
replaceafilljelkner, i'm not afraid15:01
jelknerwe'll let the users and their questions decide15:01
replaceafilljelkner, because this is not memberships yet15:01
jelknerokie dokie15:02
jelknerso what do you need from me?15:02
lelkneralfarojelkner, me?15:02
lelkneralfarojelkner, or replaceafill?15:02
jelknerreplaceafill, 15:02
jelkneror you15:03
lelkneralfarolelkneralfaro, :'(15:03
jelknerwho asked me for a moment?15:03
lelkneralfarojelkner, me15:03
jelknerwaz up?15:03
lelkneralfarojelkner, a quick 5 minute task. can you please sign into our site?15:03
lelkneralfarojelkner, and go to forums and post in the only forum that is there?15:03
lelkneralfarojelkner, I want to see that other users can access it15:04
jelknerdo i have an account?15:04
lelkneralfarojelkner, ask me if you have any questions getting there15:04
lelkneralfarojelkner, I think you should, did you set one up yet?15:04
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro oh shoot i haven't set up threaded replies in the novawebdev forums yet15:04
replaceafilljelkner, you can request a password reset in our website with your account15:05
jelkneri'm looking in my password manager15:05
jelknerand don't see any account info for our website, lelkneralfaro 15:06
replaceafilljelkner, you haven't activated your account15:06
jelknerusing which email, replaceafill 15:06
lelkneralfarojelkner, novawebdevelopment email15:06
jelknerlet me try15:06
jelknerthat didn't work on labor4ourrev15:06
replaceafilljelkner, check your spam folder15:07
replaceafilljelkner, that's where it landed for hrodriguez before15:07
lelkneralfarojelkner, well we can't make it easy. we need you to labor for our revolution15:07
jelknerreplaceafill, do i need to file the same issue that i just filed for labor4ourrev on our website?15:07
jelknerit's the same problem15:07
replaceafilljelkner, no15:07
replaceafilljelkner, it's a theme issue15:08
replaceafilljelkner, not a per-project issue15:08
replaceafilljelkner, we have a theme project that you can use for those situations15:08
jelknerthere you go, straight to spam15:08
replaceafilljelkner, but i usually move the issues around15:08
jelknercool, i'm logged in15:09
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I haven't seen the threaded disucssions yet, is it much different than the "quote" option15:09
jelknersame rules15:09
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, yes15:09
jelkneruser name is email without domain15:09
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, okay I'll check it when the time comes15:10
jelknerreplaceafill, lelkneralfaro i would like to start a discussion about which union to join15:10
jelknernext wednesday i plan to call both ue and iww15:10
jelknerand i'll post things like who i talk to and what they say on the forum15:11
lelkneralfarojelkner, I'm already in the middle of investigating the iww15:11
jelkneryou can post to the same forum15:11
lelkneralfarojelkner, cool set it up15:11
jelknerso we can all easily see what is going on15:11
jelknerbut if replaceafill says its not ready15:11
lelkneralfarojelkner, do you see the forum that is already there?15:11
jelknerthat won't work15:11
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, it is ready, just not threaded conversations15:11
replaceafilljelkner, i'd like to wait for our migrations to 1115:11
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, jelkner correct15:12
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, ?15:12
hrodriguezlelkneralfaro, i create the password but it doesn't work for me 15:12
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, we're migrating our site to tendenci 1115:12
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, it's currently tendenci 715:12
hrodriguezlelkneralfaro, it works now15:12
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, that's why we did LFOR first15:12
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yes I understand, I'm just saying that forums do work, right? just not the threaded part15:13
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ah yes15:13
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, correct15:13
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, or would you prefer I stay away from creating forums altogether?15:13
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, that's fine15:13
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, +115:13
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, just be aware some things are still turned off15:13
lelkneralfarojelkner, okay could you see the forum already there and post on it?15:13
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, like voting, etc15:13
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, that's alright i'm not looking to mess with that just yet15:14
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, :)15:14
replaceafillmr_german, zOnny we should meet next week to discuss updating our themes15:15
lelkneralfarojelkner, any look seeing the forum "hacking capitalis..."15:15
lelkneralfarojelkner, *luck15:15
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i can see it15:16
mr_germanreplaceafill, cool15:16
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, +115:16
mr_germanbtw, I just fixed the problem15:16
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and can get the attachment15:16
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, cool. I wanted to get some practice with other users15:16
mr_germanreplaceafill, I'll push my change to the dev branch15:17
replaceafillmr_german, kk15:17
jelknerironic, lelkneralfaro, that Hacking Capitalism: The Free and Open Source Movement isn't freely distributable15:17
jelknerit means the author is not one of us15:17
jelknerstill may be an interesting read15:17
jelknerbut from an outsiders point of view15:17
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro and our forum is public15:17
lelkneralfarojelkner, i'm not so sure about that15:17
jelkneri was going to link to the book15:18
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, jelkner yes I thought that may be an issue, should I take it out15:18
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro if we don't have permission, i'd recommend getting rid of the file15:18
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, +115:18
mr_germanreplaceafill, done15:18
jelknerbut i can only find it on paid sites with drm15:18
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, +115:18
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, deleted15:19
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, cool15:19
replaceafillmr_german, try the home page15:19
replaceafillmr_german, and see the dev console15:19
jelknerthis must be some kind of joke, or i'm missing something15:19
jelknerthe cost on amazon is $4,147.00 for the kindle addition ;-)15:20
lelkneralfarojelkner, do open source people only publish books for free?15:20
lelkneralfarojelkner, money wise15:20
jelknerso here is the deal15:21
lelkneralfarojelkner, the author seems pretty lefty open sourcey15:21
jelknerit is fine to charge for free software, etc.15:21
jelknerbut when you use drm, you are using human effort to make something less useful simply to comodify it15:22
jelknerdigital books cost essentially nothing to redistribute15:22
jelknerthat's the problem for capitalism15:22
mr_germanreplaceafill, oh15:22
jelknerhow to you extract rent for something with no cost to produce15:22
mr_germanwell, the nova logo its fixed 15:22
mr_germanlet me see how can i fix this15:23
jelkneranswer: you use the power of the state to enforce rent extraction15:23
lelkneralfarojelkner, oh I see what you mean, it is only digitally available via nonopen avenues15:23
lelkneralfarojelkner, the author probably has their hands tied by the publisher and needed to make some money somehow15:23
jelkneri understand15:24
jelknerthat's the challenge15:24
jelkneri've thought about this alot15:24
jelknerhow can an author, for example, make a living writing books?15:24
jelknerwe need to socialize the cost15:24
jelknerone idea is to do a go fund me type thing15:25
jelknerwhere authors say "i'll write y'all another book once you raise enough resources to feed me for a year while i do it"15:25
jelknera sort of pay ahead kind of thing15:25
jelkneranyway, the other alternative is to trust people15:26
jelknerzOnny and i are reading what is regarded as one of the best test driven development books out there15:26
jelkneras you can see, you can purchase a paper book, or a pdf, or simply read the book online at no cost15:27
jelkneri always willing pay when i don't have to15:27
jelknerlelkneralfaro, it gets even more interesting when you consider text books15:28
jelknerwhich share characters with both software (they are designed to "do something") and with other books (novels, histories, etc.)15:28
jelkneri argue that all text books should be OER (open educational resources)15:29
jelknersince by making them "hackable", they better serve their purpose15:29
mr_germanreplaceafill, can I call you?15:29
mr_germanquick call15:29
replaceafillmr_german, sure15:29
jelknereducators regularly produce classroom materials anyway15:29
jelknerso with a little collaboration, it is possible to produce high quality, student friendly resources that serve education15:30
jelknerbut they don't serve capitalism15:30
jelknersince they aren't commodities15:30
jelknerthey undermine it, and are definitely perceived as a threat15:30
jelknerby folks who think about those kinds of things15:31
jelknerlelkneralfaro, have your read that book?15:31
lelkneralfarojelkner, only the intro and dabbled in the rest15:31
lelkneralfarojelkner, I thing the intro at least is worth sharing15:32
jelknerdo you have a copy i could borrow?15:32
jelkneri'd like to read it15:32
lelkneralfarojelkner, only the pdf15:32
lelkneralfarojelkner, i could send it to you over gmail15:32
jelknerthat's all i need15:32
jelknerlelkneralfaro, please!15:32
zOnnyreplaceafill: replaceafill busy ?15:35
zOnnymr_german: are you around ?15:39
replaceafillzOnny, back15:45
replaceafillzOnny, sorry i was on the phone15:45
zOnnyreplaceafill:  replaceafill I already fixed15:47
replaceafillzOnny, do you have an instance running?15:47
lelkneralfaroalright I'm out for the day. thanks everyone! hit me up on email if you have any questions or requests15:47
replaceafilllater lelkneralfaro o/15:47
jelknerreplaceafill, if you don't need me, i'm going to sign off, too15:49
replaceafilljelkner, cool, thanks for you help15:49
jelknerthank you!15:49
zOnnyreplaceafill: yes, I am running the base theme15:49
jelkneri'll be back online tomorrow at 10 am15:49
jelknerACTION signs off for the day15:49
replaceafilllater jelkner15:49
replaceafillzOnny, nice15:49
replaceafillzOnny, welcome to hell then!15:50
zOnnyI am setting up the tendenci2018 15:50
replaceafillzOnny, LFOR is showing that we need to do a lot of updating15:50
zOnnyreplaceafill: ok15:51
replaceafillzOnny, one big problem that we have is that there's no easy way to go back to tendenci 715:51
replaceafillzOnny, i mean, if you follow their documentation15:51
zOnnyreplaceafill: Isee15:51
replaceafillzOnny, and that's more important to you i think15:52
replaceafillzOnny, since you're lifting most of the projects15:52
replaceafillzOnny, like Paul's15:52
replaceafillzOnny, so tomorrow's goal should be to have 7 back15:53
replaceafillzOnny, ok, do you need anything from me?15:54
replaceafillzOnny, i'm about to go get lunch15:54
replaceafillACTION goes to get lunch, bb in ~1h15:57
zOnnyreplaceafill: yes16:00
zOnnyHello ?16:01
zOnnyWorld ? o.O?16:01
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