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| replaceafill | hey zOnny | 11:00 |
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| zOnny | hey replaceafill | 11:19 |
| replaceafill | hey zOnny, are you busy? | 11:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i just wanted to ask you if you've seen any errors in Paul's instance? | 11:19 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: no | 11:19 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: errors uhmmmmm not yet | 11:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, cool | 11:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, thanks | 11:20 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I was reading yestarday the emails that both of you exchanged | 11:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, we exchanged a lot of emails in the last couple of days | 11:22 |
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| zOnny | replaceafill: Thanks for you help on that | 11:23 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, np | 11:23 |
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| jelkner | replaceafill, mr_german, do you have a minute? | 13:06 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 13:06 |
| mr_german | jelkner, yep | 13:07 |
| jelkner | i was talking to my wife last night, and she asked me why we aren't having our retreat in santa ana? | 13:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, retreat? | 13:08 |
| jelkner | whatever you want to call it | 13:08 |
| jelkner | our 10 day hack fest | 13:08 |
| jelkner | when she heard we were thinking of renting workspace, she said, "that is going to be expensivie" | 13:08 |
| jelkner | expensive | 13:08 |
| jelkner | why not just go to santa ana? | 13:09 |
| jelkner | you won't need a car | 13:09 |
| jelkner | douglas and german already have a place to stay | 13:09 |
| jelkner | anyway, you know best | 13:09 |
| jelkner | but i just thought i would pass that along | 13:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, what's our goal for the hack fest? | 13:11 |
| replaceafill | lol, hack fest :D | 13:11 |
| jelkner | i want to work my way through TDD with Python | 13:11 |
| jelkner | working with mr_german if he wants to, but zOnny for sure | 13:11 |
| jelkner | so that i leave with basic tdd django skills | 13:12 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i don't mean to sound like the a** you know i am | 13:12 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but we don't need a hack fest for that, do we? | 13:13 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, maybe it'd be better to hang out about this | 13:13 |
| jelkner | i kind of do | 13:13 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:13 |
| jelkner | i can never seem to get uninterrupted time to do this | 13:13 |
| jelkner | i figure if i go all the way to el salvador | 13:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lol | 13:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so you're migrating! | 13:14 |
| replaceafill | :D | 13:14 |
| jelkner | definitely | 13:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, can you hang out now? | 13:14 |
| jelkner | i can | 13:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but it has to be google hang out | 13:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, my connection doesnt support jitsi atm | 13:15 |
| jelkner | if you insist, replaceafill | 13:15 |
| jelkner | :-( | 13:15 |
| jelkner | whatever works | 13:15 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, call me | 13:16 |
| jelkner | just did | 13:17 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, didn't get it | 13:18 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, calling you | 13:18 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, just tried to call you | 14:26 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, replaceafill, (anyone else interested), i just got off the phone with jonathan kissam from ue | 14:26 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, call u back in a sec | 14:27 |
| jelkner | we talked coops, a bit of tech, the union cooperative movement | 14:27 |
| jelkner | i shared a bunch of relevant info regarding who we are and what we are looking for | 14:27 |
| jelkner | he will reach out to other folks in ue, come up with some kind of a plan to propose to us, and then we discuss it together with them | 14:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, nice | 14:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, +1 | 14:29 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, when can we discuss the nea4or/lfor stories? | 14:29 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, anything else to share, or should I call? | 14:29 |
| jelkner | can we do that now? | 14:29 |
| jelkner | hangout? | 14:29 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, are you available now? | 14:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, yea | 14:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i have time | 14:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and hangout didnt drop too much last tim | 14:30 |
| replaceafill | e | 14:30 |
| jelkner | invites sent | 14:31 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, left the cal | 14:32 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, not there yet | 14:32 |
| jelkner | call | 14:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you sound underwater | 14:33 |
| jelkner | what is happening? | 14:34 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, something wrong with your audio | 14:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, did you change anything since last time we talked? | 14:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you sounded the same | 14:35 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, still messed up. want to just chat here? | 14:35 |
| jelkner | yeah | 14:38 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, did i ever tell you i hate computers? ;-) | 14:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, oh, that's what you meant yesterday | 14:38 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, yup you've based your career around that feeling | 14:38 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, :) | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you got me confused with comuters | 14:39 |
| jelkner | lol | 14:39 |
| jelkner | ok, lelkneralfaro you have the floor | 14:39 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I was about to say the same to you | 14:39 |
| jelkner | well, i have two user stories | 14:39 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I thought you might want to share something more | 14:39 |
| jelkner | i think i filed them | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you filed one: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nea4or-ams/issues/26 | 14:40 |
| jelkner | so unless you have questions, i don't know what to say? | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | well i wanted to ask a couple of things | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | "We should discuss what this looks like, since some fields may differ between the two." | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | lfor doesn't have a membership structure yet | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | so we don't know what fields from nea4or map there | 14:41 |
| jelkner | just filed the other issue | 14:42 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, remember what aelkner says "it's all about the reports"! ;-) | 14:43 |
| jelkner | we just need to be able to easily and regularly generate a report to provide lfor with what they need | 14:43 |
| jelkner | i was hoping lelkneralfaro could work with luisa to figure out what that is | 14:43 |
| jelkner | and then work with you, replaceafill, to get it working | 14:43 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but the current "data sharing" issue | 14:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, talks about exporting (and maybe implicitly importing) | 14:44 |
| jelkner | i think we need to do this in an agile way | 14:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, from your reports remark i understand you want to give Luisa access to nea4or data | 14:45 |
| replaceafill | ? | 14:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, in the nea4or instance? | 14:45 |
| jelkner | the motivation was luisa wanting a list of our members | 14:45 |
| jelkner | i want to be able to send her a report with the relevant information, replaceafill | 14:46 |
| jelkner | not give her direct access to the database | 14:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, oh ok | 14:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and not export from neaor -> import in lfor either | 14:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, correct? | 14:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, just a report (export in the story) | 14:46 |
| jelkner | i probably wrote that wrong | 14:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 :) | 14:46 |
| jelkner | i'm thinking ahead, which i shouldn't do | 14:46 |
| jelkner | let's not try to automate anything we don't understand | 14:47 |
| jelkner | we just need a report for luisa | 14:47 |
| jelkner | with the info she needs | 14:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool, makes sense | 14:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so lelkneralfaro asks her what she needs | 14:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and we take it from there | 14:48 |
| jelkner | cool | 14:48 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, any other questions? | 14:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, hopefully one of the standard membership reports will do | 14:48 |
| jelkner | +1 | 14:48 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, replaceafill sounds good to me. that will be a good deliverable to so she sees what tendenci can do | 14:48 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, did she say she wanted anything more than a list of members? | 14:49 |
| jelkner | ask her, lelkneralfaro | 14:50 |
| jelkner | we didn't talk details | 14:50 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, +1 | 14:50 |
| jelkner | btw, replaceafill, did you meet with clayton? | 14:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 14:50 |
| jelkner | how did it go? | 14:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i answered his questions about tendenci | 14:51 |
| jelkner | cool | 14:51 |
| jelkner | did he have a lot of questions? | 14:51 |
| replaceafill | tendenci doesn't really fit the existing use case | 14:51 |
| jelkner | ahh | 14:51 |
| jelkner | can you elaborate | 14:51 |
| jelkner | that's important to know | 14:51 |
| jelkner | it doesn't do what they want drutopia to do, you mean? | 14:52 |
| replaceafill | the union he's supporting already has a drupal + civi setup | 14:52 |
| replaceafill | but it | 14:52 |
| replaceafill | 's poorly configured | 14:52 |
| replaceafill | because it's mostly a voluteer effort | 14:52 |
| jelkner | a familiar story :-( | 14:52 |
| replaceafill | some parts don't seem to work properly | 14:52 |
| replaceafill | moving to anything else would mean investing in a export -> import process | 14:53 |
| replaceafill | which are not easy to do | 14:53 |
| jelkner | and costly | 14:53 |
| replaceafill | they use some features tendenci doesn't have, like supergroups | 14:53 |
| jelkner | which is another way of saying the same thing | 14:53 |
| jelkner | what are supergroups? | 14:53 |
| replaceafill | and some role based authorization which tendenci also doesn't support | 14:53 |
| replaceafill | it's a dynamic query you can save | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | with attributes about users for example | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | "who paid 10 dollars between may and july" | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | and you can save that | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | and do things with the results as if it was an existing group | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | like contacting them, etc | 14:54 |
| jelkner | nice | 14:54 |
| jelkner | but sounds complicated | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | +1 | 14:54 |
| jelkner | so, while i have you both here | 14:55 |
| replaceafill | so, best bet is for the union to hire someone to fix their setup | 14:55 |
| jelkner | how is our dogfooding project coming? | 14:55 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, i've tried to be on top of each thing you are testing | 14:55 |
| jelkner | but we need more | 14:55 |
| jelkner | we need: | 14:55 |
| jelkner | 1. meetings where we take attendance | 14:56 |
| jelkner | 2. more votes | 14:56 |
| jelkner | 3. more forums with more participation | 14:56 |
| jelkner | and then.... | 14:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I'm working on it, just trying to brainstorm to come up with something meaningufl | 14:57 |
| jelkner | reports, reports, reports summarizing and analyzing it all ;-) | 14:57 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I'm close | 14:57 |
| jelkner | the easiest way to make it meaningful is to focus on things we are doing together | 14:57 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I know | 14:57 |
| jelkner | a metaconversation about our website itself | 14:58 |
| jelkner | how do you like it? | 14:58 |
| jelkner | is it easy to use? | 14:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, not where i'm headed | 14:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, feel free to start a forum on it though | 14:58 |
| jelkner | can only you or can any of us create a vote? | 14:59 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, any of us | 14:59 |
| jelkner | perhaps i should do that? | 14:59 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 14:59 |
| jelkner | will do | 14:59 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'd like you to see that process, lelkneralfaro already knows it | 15:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, well, i'd like all of us to see it :) | 15:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, the create vote process i mean | 15:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i still think it's confusing for newcomers and we should write doc for it | 15:00 |
| jelkner | do we have a guide, replaceafill? | 15:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, no | 15:01 |
| jelkner | +1 | 15:01 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, could you create one? | 15:01 |
| jelkner | i could then test it. | 15:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, jelkner I'll put it on my list of things to d | 15:01 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, +1 | 15:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I'll be able to get to it tomorrow | 15:01 |
| jelkner | great, lelkneralfaro | 15:02 |
| jelkner | i'll look forward to testing it this weekend | 15:02 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, coupel of questions on the paypal story | 15:02 |
| replaceafill | couple* | 15:02 |
| jelkner | shoot | 15:02 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, does this mean that from now on the membership fee is mandatory? | 15:02 |
| jelkner | but i've got to get back on the phone soon | 15:03 |
| jelkner | +1 | 15:03 |
| jelkner | and it will be annual, replaceafill | 15:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so you can't joing unless you pay, correct? | 15:03 |
| jelkner | so each year folks will need to pay | 15:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah ok | 15:03 |
| jelkner | +1 replaceafill | 15:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, what about existing members? | 15:03 |
| jelkner | i'm going to try to get them to pay too | 15:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah ok | 15:04 |
| jelkner | if they aren't willing to fork up $10, we don't want them as caucus members ;-) | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | :D | 15:04 |
| jelkner | ok, anything else | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool, this one is going to be interesting | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, no that's it from me | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro thanks! | 15:04 |
| jelkner | cool, see you here again tomorrow | 15:05 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, :) | 15:05 |
| jelkner | ACTION logs off to take care of some errands | 15:05 |
| replaceafill | ACTION goes to get lunch, bb in ~40 | 15:05 |
| lelkneralfaro | ACTION goes to get lunch too, back in 45 | 15:13 |
| replaceafill | ACTION is back | 15:42 |
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