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| jelkner | Good morning, lelkneralfaro, that is fantastic news! | 09:35 |
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| jelkner | btw lelkneralfaro did you see my email about tomorrow? | 09:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, lol good morning | 09:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, yes i responded already | 09:36 |
| jelkner | cool, i haven't gotten to that yet, then | 09:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, +1 | 09:36 |
| jelkner | well, it doesn't have to be tomorrow, but we should work in person one day this week | 09:37 |
| jelkner | before i leave for el salvador | 09:37 |
| jelkner | i want to work on: | 09:37 |
| jelkner | 1. crowdfunding | 09:37 |
| jelkner | 2. the RFP we received recently | 09:37 |
| jelkner | 3. PWA | 09:38 |
| jelkner | i was hoping tomorrow since mjsir911 said he could come in then | 09:38 |
| jelkner | so we could talk with him more about PWA and help him test it | 09:38 |
| jelkner | i bet zOnny could join us as well | 09:39 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I've been looking into the RFP this morning. I'm not sure what an in person meeting would do to progress our work on it. Same for the crowdfunding research/planning. The pwa perhaps... | 09:40 |
| jelkner | ok, never mind then | 09:40 |
| jelkner | i can handle the PWA on my own with mjsir911 | 09:41 |
| jelkner | heylin takes her CIW test on Friday | 09:41 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I'll be plugged in here though for sure. | 09:41 |
| jelkner | she would like to get together on Friday after that | 09:41 |
| jelkner | so i was going see if other folks could join us then as well | 09:41 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, for like a fun thing? yeah that sounds good | 09:42 |
| jelkner | to celebrate | 09:42 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, +1 | 09:42 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, yeah I'd love to get together for that Friday would be perfect | 09:42 |
| jelkner | cool | 09:42 |
| jelkner | i'll work with mjsir911 and zOnny on the PWA myself | 09:42 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, quick question about the AEA | 09:42 |
| jelkner | you take care of the other items | 09:43 |
| jelkner | shoot | 09:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I know you have told me about this before but I'll make a note of it now so you don't have to repeat yourself | 09:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, what do they have budgeted for us this year? | 09:43 |
| jelkner | $1000.00 | 09:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I want to reach out to Keri today to check in and ask about invoicing | 09:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, cool | 09:44 |
| jelkner | +1, lelkneralfaro | 09:49 |
| jelkner | i'll be contacting her myself about the current vote | 09:49 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, in that case want to handle asking the other questions? so as to not bombard her and keep communication simpler? | 09:50 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I just wanted to reach out tell her that we're here if there is any work that our services may be able to help with. and i want to know about how she would like us to invoice this year? on a regular schedule or when work is done. | 09:52 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, i think you should have that conversation | 09:56 |
| jelkner | she gets phone calls all day | 09:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, +1 | 09:56 |
| jelkner | (i just talked to her) | 09:56 |
| jelkner | the vote is going well | 09:56 |
| jelkner | but before you do, lelkneralfaro | 09:56 |
| jelkner | think about how we want to charge again | 09:57 |
| jelkner | i think you need a conversation with replaceafill | 09:57 |
| jelkner | first | 09:57 |
| jelkner | here is what i'm thinking | 09:57 |
| jelkner | 1. we provide some defined basic service for an annual subscription / support fee | 09:58 |
| jelkner | (perhaps $1K is good, but work out with replacefill what customers get for that) | 09:58 |
| jelkner | 2. we seek funding for new features | 09:58 |
| jelkner | ideally a group of our customers who share interest in a common feature could chip in together to get us to write it | 09:59 |
| jelkner | the larger our customer base with common interests becomes, the cheaper it gets for all of them to get what they want | 09:59 |
| jelkner | once you and replaceafill have that worked out | 09:59 |
| jelkner | you can i can hit the road reaching out to union locals | 10:00 |
| jelkner | offering our service | 10:00 |
| jelkner | with Gallaudet hopefully giving us the breathing space we needed | 10:00 |
| jelkner | we can use the next two months to start to build our customer base | 10:01 |
| jelkner | btw. if we are going to look into crowdfunding remotely | 10:01 |
| jelkner | we will need to have a discussion about how we make our finances transparent | 10:01 |
| jelkner | that will be an important part of the process | 10:01 |
| jelkner | to be effective, we will need to earn the trust of those whom we ask to support us | 10:02 |
| jelkner | so we need to provide them with details about where their support is going | 10:02 |
| jelkner | one more think, lelkneralfaro, i want to talk to you about the study | 10:03 |
| jelkner | i did the reading already | 10:03 |
| jelkner | and met with ubunturist and talked about it | 10:03 |
| jelkner | we need to: | 10:03 |
| jelkner | 1. break up the first reading assignment into several parts | 10:03 |
| jelkner | 2. provide annotated support for struggling readers | 10:04 |
| jelkner | i think we should skip the introduction altogether | 10:04 |
| jelkner | it is tough slogging, and not required | 10:04 |
| jelkner | then the first chapter should be broken into 3 parts | 10:04 |
| jelkner | the first part tracing the history of computing and the hacker movement | 10:04 |
| jelkner | the other two parts having the discussion of hackers and the labor movement | 10:05 |
| jelkner | thoughts? | 10:05 |
| jelkner | oh, and i wanted to propose that we invite agaric folks who might be interested to participate with us | 10:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, sounds good to me. I say take it to the forums. I agree about the support. I have only skimmed the reading. I agree with the Agaric part. Only reason I didn't do it is because the organizing of the project is getting unwieldy | 10:06 |
| jelkner | i can do some pdf editing to break up the document into sections | 10:06 |
| jelkner | understood | 10:07 |
| jelkner | let's keep it simple | 10:07 |
| jelkner | we need to talk to replacesfill about how to give access to interested folks to our forum | 10:07 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, we can create users on our site without the ability to make changes to our site | 10:07 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, then they would be able to access our forums | 10:08 |
| jelkner | excellent | 10:08 |
| jelkner | let's do that | 10:08 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, +1 | 10:08 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I have other things at the top of my list. I could probably get to that by the end of the day | 10:08 |
| jelkner | we need to ask folks to approve this | 10:08 |
| jelkner | don't worry | 10:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, but no promises. it might wait until tomorrow | 10:09 |
| jelkner | let me help with that | 10:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, approve what? | 10:09 |
| jelkner | inviting other folks to the study | 10:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, +1 | 10:09 |
| jelkner | a great opportunity to test voting! ;-) | 10:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, also, the bit about separating the readings to discuss | 10:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, probably a good thing to do with different topics in the forum | 10:09 |
| jelkner | on that score, i don't know that we need to vote | 10:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, no i didn't mean to suggest voting on that | 10:10 |
| jelkner | cool | 10:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, just unclear communication because of chat | 10:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, one last thing about the intro | 10:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I thought the first 6 pages of the intro were helpful for me. the story about the luddites and the introduction to hacking | 10:11 |
| jelkner | i'll look at them again | 10:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, afterwards the intro did get to be more academic | 10:12 |
| jelkner | that's an understatement, my beloved son! | 10:12 |
| jelkner | you need to develop a sense of how other people are going to experience that kind of thing | 10:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, lol well that's why I excluded it from the reading | 10:13 |
| jelkner | it was a summary of the argument of the entire text *before* the text | 10:13 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, that was the intro in total | 10:13 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I said only the first 5 pages | 10:13 |
| jelkner | complete with numerous unexplained references, etc. | 10:13 |
| jelkner | that would surely kill participation | 10:13 |
| jelkner | (it did have footnotes ;-) | 10:14 |
| jelkner | lot's of footnotes | 10:14 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I said only the first five pages plus top of 6 :) | 10:14 |
| jelkner | cool | 10:14 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, which didn't have any discussion of aesthetic philosophy | 10:14 |
| jelkner | i'll look at that and try to produce small pdfs that have only what we want | 10:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, although that conversation is an interesting one for another occasion | 10:15 |
| jelkner | i like the book a lot though | 10:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, yeah looks good | 10:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I'll get through it over the course of the week | 10:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, well the reading that is, not the whole book | 10:15 |
| jelkner | the whole notion of the importance of play as it relates to alienated labor will be interesting indeed | 10:16 |
| jelkner | ok, back to work for me | 10:16 |
| jelkner | let's touch base with replaceafill when he comes on | 10:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, +1 | 10:16 |
| jelkner | i'll be here most of the day | 10:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, actually before you go | 10:16 |
| jelkner | but your mother is picking me up for lunch | 10:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, what was Kevin saying? | 10:16 |
| jelkner | about what? | 10:17 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, about the study | 10:17 |
| jelkner | oh, that for him, "Ours to Hack and to Own" is too tough for him to read | 10:17 |
| jelkner | he is giving up after a 2nd attempt | 10:17 |
| jelkner | and that is a *much* easier read that this book is | 10:17 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, fair enough | 10:18 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, yes I know that people will need guidance | 10:18 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I think it's accessible with help | 10:18 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, it's just the learning curve with all the references | 10:18 |
| jelkner | i told him it should be our (you, me, and other interested facilitators) to provide context, structure, guidance, and support | 10:18 |
| jelkner | +1 | 10:18 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, okay cool, back to filing issues with Tendenci | 10:19 |
| jelkner | great | 10:19 |
| jelkner | later | 10:19 |
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| jelkner | replaceafill, good morning! | 10:38 |
| replaceafill | good morning jelkner | 10:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm waiting for you here: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nea4or-ams/issues/22#note_92502597 | 10:39 |
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| jelkner | Good morning, zOnny! | 10:42 |
| zOnny | jelkner: Good morning | 10:43 |
| jelkner | Do you want to meet tomorrow at the central library at 10 am? | 10:43 |
| jelkner | i just talked to mjsir911, he can't meet up until 1 pm | 10:43 |
| jelkner | but i could do 10 am. | 10:43 |
| jelkner | well, zOnny, yes or no? | 10:44 |
| zOnny | jelkner: yes | 10:44 |
| jelkner | cool | 10:44 |
| jelkner | i'll see you tomorrow at 10 am at the central library | 10:44 |
| jelkner | we got some good news this morning, btw | 10:45 |
| jelkner | it appears our gallaudet gig is going forward | 10:45 |
| jelkner | that was great hope to carry us through the next two months | 10:45 |
| jelkner | so it looks like we have a renewed lease on life | 10:45 |
| jelkner | during that time we need to market our product heavily | 10:46 |
| jelkner | ok, i'm going back to work zOnny, see you tomorrow morning | 10:46 |
| zOnny | jelkner: see u | 10:46 |
| zOnny | jelkner: good news | 10:47 |
| zOnny | jelkner: thanks | 10:47 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, we have a logistical issue | 10:47 |
| jelkner | my wife is upset with me | 10:47 |
| jelkner | i sent her the flight information yesterday | 10:48 |
| jelkner | my flight arrives in el salvador at 7:07 pm | 10:49 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, are you here? | 10:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 10:50 |
| jelkner | so she says it will be dark when i get out of the airport, and too dangerous to travel | 10:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, to travel to San * Tepezontes? | 10:50 |
| jelkner | yes | 10:51 |
| jelkner | that's what she said | 10:51 |
| jelkner | ACTION asked her why the let flights land at a time when the changes that the passengers will get killed is so high :-( | 10:51 |
| jelkner | s/the/they | 10:51 |
| jelkner | s/changes/chances | 10:52 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, because airlines don't give a ... | 10:52 |
| jelkner | anyway, i can't change it now | 10:52 |
| jelkner | so i need to figure out what to do | 10:52 |
| jelkner | she was too mad to think clearly yesterday | 10:52 |
| jelkner | i'm waiting to see what she says today | 10:52 |
| jelkner | in any event, time to start planning seriously | 10:53 |
| jelkner | roxana's brother is going to get me a rental car | 10:53 |
| jelkner | at first he said they would pick me up and drop me off | 10:53 |
| jelkner | but when she found out the time i arrive, she said that won't work | 10:53 |
| jelkner | i wonder if there is a hotel near the airport where i can crash the first night? | 10:54 |
| jelkner | and then get picked up by the rental car company early the next morning | 10:54 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, picking you up is not a problem for us | 10:54 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i can't offer you a place to stay unfortunately | 10:55 |
| jelkner | i understand | 10:55 |
| jelkner | i'll stay in a hotel for one night | 10:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, thinking... | 10:56 |
| jelkner | let me check with roxana whether that makes more sense to stay near the airport | 10:56 |
| jelkner | it will depend on the car rental people | 10:57 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 10:57 |
| jelkner | if they are near the airport, i should stay near them | 10:57 |
| jelkner | i'll handle it | 10:57 |
| jelkner | i just googled and found Hotel Rancho Argueta for $35 per night | 10:57 |
| jelkner | very near the airport | 10:57 |
| jelkner | anyway, i'll let you know more tomorrow | 10:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, regarding work | 10:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, when would you like to start meeting when you're here? | 10:58 |
| jelkner | sunday morning? | 11:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 11:00 |
| jelkner | btw, my friend from San Miguel is coming to visit his mother on monday | 11:01 |
| jelkner | i told him it would be much easier for me to see him there instead of traveling to san miguel | 11:01 |
| jelkner | i'll keep you posted | 11:01 |
| jelkner | (his mother is in San Salvador) | 11:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah cool | 11:02 |
| jelkner | can mr_german arrive on sunday? | 11:02 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i think so | 11:02 |
| jelkner | i'll have the car and we can go to san juan that evening | 11:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, tell mrs. alfaro about this: http://hotelmiramonte.com.sv/reservaciones/ | 11:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, this is very near us | 11:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and it's not expensive | 11:03 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it's not as bad | 11:03 |
| jelkner | that would be best | 11:03 |
| jelkner | if we can work out getting the car sunday morning | 11:04 |
| jelkner | or perhaps saturday evening | 11:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but you need to check with Roxana's family, right? | 11:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, about the car | 11:04 |
| jelkner | yes | 11:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 11:04 |
| jelkner | her brother | 11:04 |
| jelkner | so let's talk more tomorrow | 11:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 11:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we can pick you up remember | 11:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i don't offer you to take you directly to San * Tepezontes | 11:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, because we don't know either | 11:05 |
| jelkner | yes, my friend, i won't forget that! ;-) | 11:05 |
| jelkner | i understand | 11:05 |
| jelkner | btw, replaceafill yesterday was a good day | 11:05 |
| jelkner | both the NOVALACIRO cookout and the NEA4OR meeting went very well | 11:06 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, great | 11:06 |
| jelkner | we will have *a lot* to talk about next week | 11:06 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, speaking of nea4or, could you follow up here: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nea4or-ams/issues/22#note_92502597 | 11:06 |
| jelkner | i'm really eager to get there | 11:06 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, indeed! | 11:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, have a moment? | 11:08 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, sure | 11:08 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, let me respond to that next week | 11:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah ok,, cool | 11:08 |
| jelkner | i want to talk to you about the process before writing an email | 11:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 11:08 |
| jelkner | it will be easier to do while i'm there | 11:09 |
| jelkner | cool | 11:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I'm investigating the self-add self-remove issue (and unfortunately spending more time on it than I anticipated) and I have a quick question | 11:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, after changing the group settings should the system automatically be updated? or would it take a moment? | 11:09 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, it should be automatic | 11:09 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, drop that one | 11:09 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, it's an easy fix | 11:09 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, sorry about wasting your time | 11:10 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i just want us to raise our profile as an organization with them | 11:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, no worries. I'm finding there is some other stuff going on with the self add/remove though | 11:10 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ah | 11:10 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, that's good then :) | 11:10 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, lelkneralfaro can i ask you both a favor? | 11:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, shoot | 11:11 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, lelkneralfaro and i were talking about aea a bit earlier this morning | 11:11 |
| jelkner | they have $1K budgeted for website this year | 11:12 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes, i saw the logs | 11:12 |
| jelkner | we need to come up with a "product" at around that price we can offer them | 11:12 |
| jelkner | so lelkneralfaro can draw up a contract for service for 1 year at that price | 11:12 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 11:12 |
| jelkner | then he and i can start taking that offering out far and wide to other union locals | 11:13 |
| jelkner | so can lelkneralfaro and replaceafill please work together to develop "the product"? | 11:13 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, makes sense | 11:14 |
| jelkner | and what i mean by that is just to write up what the current set of features is we offer together with hosting at that price | 11:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, one question | 11:14 |
| jelkner | $1K is not much, i understand | 11:14 |
| jelkner | shoot | 11:14 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, yeah I've done that before. I'll have to dig it up and make it presentable | 11:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, would it be ok to drop mailing lists from the offering? | 11:14 |
| jelkner | you're the boss, replaceafill | 11:15 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, managing email servers takes a long time | 11:15 |
| jelkner | only offer what you think we can effectively deliver | 11:15 |
| replaceafill | i kind of remember proposing it to lelkneralfaro | 11:15 |
| replaceafill | but we never agreed on anything about it | 11:15 |
| jelkner | then i'm thinking two things going forward | 11:15 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 11:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, jelkner okay I'll drop that from any services we offer | 11:16 |
| jelkner | 1. we do some crowdfunding with the pitch that folks are helping contribute to the labor movement, since they will be funding new features that everyone gets | 11:16 |
| jelkner | 2. as our user base grows | 11:16 |
| jelkner | we look to find ways for them to collaboratively fund similar enhancements | 11:16 |
| jelkner | that might just mean having state and national labor do that | 11:17 |
| jelkner | with enough locals, we can build a reputation that would make that possible | 11:17 |
| jelkner | if that happens, we will be set | 11:18 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, +1 | 11:18 |
| replaceafill | let's do it :) | 11:18 |
| jelkner | btw. email *just* arrived from UE organizer Jonathan Kissam | 11:18 |
| jelkner | they don't think they are a good fit for us | 11:19 |
| jelkner | they don't have the capacity to support small shops where they are not currently organizing | 11:19 |
| jelkner | so, let me explore iww 560 more | 11:19 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, `cool thanks for the update | 11:19 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, can I touch base with you about this group self/add remove issue once more? | 11:20 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, sure | 11:20 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, all i was trying to say is that when Kevin reported the issue, i found the cause | 11:21 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but i didn't manage to create a Pull Request (PR) for it | 11:21 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I'm confused about the issue a bit. is the issue that even though a setting is selected allowing/not allowing self add/remove, a superuser can self add/remove anyway? | 11:22 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, yes, that's part of it | 11:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, or is the issue that in the side bar pressing the "users cannot remove themsleves" does not change the setting | 11:23 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but the other part is, and the one i asked you to move upstream is the remove link iteself | 11:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, it looks to me like the side bar is just a link | 11:23 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, +1 | 11:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, to the settings which is misleading | 11:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yeah it's not a switch just a link | 11:24 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, https://github.com/tendenci/tendenci/blob/master/tendenci/themes/t7-base/templates/user_groups/detail.html#L60 | 11:24 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, that line should be group.allow_self_remove | 11:24 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, you can see the if branch after that | 11:25 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and infer what's happening when that never becomes "True" | 11:25 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, no matter what the setting is | 11:25 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, ahh I see. so the line is missing the underscore and that is messing things up? | 11:25 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, correct | 11:25 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I undesrtand | 11:26 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, in my head, we either report it, and tendenci.com will probably spot it quickly as we did | 11:27 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, or we submit a PR for it | 11:27 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, well the other thing I'm running into, and unfortunately it will take some time to test, is that for a non-superuser, the allow add/remove works weird. it seems like it appears some places and not others. like I can add myself through the top menubar but not remove myself from there. and when i do remove myself I'm still appearing as part of the group in my profile page | 11:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I'll just file the issue, instead of bothering you too much here with it, so you can check it out on your own time | 11:28 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, in the view with the two lists? i think i've noticed that too | 11:28 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, +1 | 11:29 |
| replaceafill | ok time to plan this week's work :) | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, good morning | 11:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, and in regards to the PR or filing the issue. It's what ever you think best | 11:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, +1 | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | unfortunately mr_german is not here yet... | 11:30 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: good morning | 11:31 |
| replaceafill | ok, let's ask mr_german to read the logs if he's interested at all on this planning thing | 11:32 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so | 11:32 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, go to the novaweb-ams project | 11:32 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, your feedback on this is also welcome :) | 11:33 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and in that project find the Wiki on the left sidebar | 11:33 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, let me know when you're there | 11:33 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: on it | 11:34 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, go to the Issues Weight page | 11:34 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, this is a wiki, so you can adjust at will, ok? | 11:34 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but my idea is this | 11:34 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, we start picking issues with higher weight | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, for example, currently there are 4 issues with Weight 9 | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, iirc | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, click the Weight 9 | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you'll see two of them are already assigned to you | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, my question is, are you responsible for those tasks? | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, or is Marco who's handling that? | 11:37 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ok | 11:38 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I will take those | 11:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, cool | 11:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so can you break them? | 11:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, as we discussed last week | 11:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, break an issue means splitting it into smaller steps/tasks | 11:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and ideally estimating each of those smaller parts | 11:40 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, like "this small part will take 1 hour at most" | 11:40 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, "this other small part will take 0.5 hour" | 11:40 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and so on | 11:40 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: today's target is make the app work offline | 11:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, cool, write that in the description | 11:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, this is an example: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nea4or-ams/issues/22 | 11:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, see the "Here's the plan:" part of the description | 11:41 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: serviceworker.js will fit good before the notifications | 11:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you don't need to explain it here :) | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, use the issue for that | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so we're all aware | 11:42 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: what is that ? | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, even people who may need to pick up the issue after you | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ok, starting over... go to: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nea4or-ams/issues/22 | 11:43 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, jelkner reported that as "Need to track dues payments" | 11:43 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, then i broke it into parts | 11:43 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, that's the plan i wrote in the description | 11:43 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i've already taken care of some of those parts | 11:44 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and some are still pending | 11:44 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, that's what we need in your issues too | 11:44 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, clear steps/parts that need to be followed | 11:44 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if you know you'll need to write a service worker or something | 11:44 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, add that as part of the description: | 11:45 |
| replaceafill | * Add service worker something something | 11:45 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, are you following this? | 11:48 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: yes | 11:49 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, great | 11:49 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, let me know when you have them split | 11:49 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, thanks for organizing this, the process looks great and I think it will help us out a lot to approach our work this way. | 11:52 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, hopefully | 11:52 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, +1 | 11:53 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, are you updating your issues? | 11:57 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: yes | 12:01 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, cool | 12:04 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you don't need to file new issues | 12:07 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you can just edit the current issue description | 12:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro i don't think i'll be good at project managing honestly | 12:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i think we should have lelkneralfaro do it | 12:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i understand you want me on top of things as *lead developer* | 12:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but this is project management what you're talking about | 12:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and my frustration threshold is too low | 12:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, lol yes I know the feeling. only concern that I have is on the technical side of things, but I guess regular communication with you can help with that | 12:12 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, when you visited them, did you get a sense on Clayton's role in Agaric? | 12:12 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, just from lurking their channel, i *think* that's what we need | 12:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, he wasn't there in person so I couldn't meet with him and see him in action, but I got a sense of him directing things and seeing its effect on the other members in real life | 12:13 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and Clayton is not the lead developer | 12:13 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, right | 12:13 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, he's good at poking developers on issues that need to get done | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, not sure if poking is the right word there :) | 12:14 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, want to discuss this some more at 1? I'm working on something right now that I'd like to finish up | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and communicating with customers, etc | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, sure | 12:14 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, poking is a good word :) | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ttyl | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | :) | 12:14 |
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| jelkner | ACTION leaves to go with his wife | 13:09 |
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| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, hi, just checking in. are you still on track to have Elizabeth's site ready by tonight? I'd like to call her office | 13:32 |
| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, to give them an update | 13:32 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, you here? quick question i'm looking over your invoice for Paul Flint's site and there is a line that said "splash page design" did you mean "splash"? Sorry I'm not more familiar with the project so I'm just making sure. | 13:41 |
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| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: ? | 13:51 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: can you tell me which number of invoice is it ? | 13:52 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, one sec lookingn now | 13:53 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, second invoice first line | 13:54 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: correct | 13:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, +1 thanks | 13:56 |
| zOnny | it was the one that displays Coming soon | 13:57 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, cool :) | 13:59 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: Does the refound option will bring you the money back ? | 13:59 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, refund option? | 14:00 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: I am not familiar at all with paypay | 14:00 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, are you asking to return money, if so that is not necessary | 14:00 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: ? | 14:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, what do you mean "refound option"? | 14:02 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: return money | 14:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, I'm not familiar with it. but in our case there is no need to return money. unless this is for something else... | 14:04 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: ? | 14:10 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: did you understand Flint's last request ? | 14:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, let me look | 14:13 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, most likely he is referring to the picture with all of VT. better to have something just of the district he is running for | 14:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, Kevin has made some suggestions. make sure to include your source if you use one of those pictures | 14:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, that helpful? | 14:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, I'm going to step away from the computer for 5 minutes to get a snack brb | 14:16 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: ok | 14:18 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: I sent the section that he maybe is referring to but he responded with | 14:21 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: I just fowarded you | 14:21 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, looking now | 14:21 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, lol yes his response was not helpful | 14:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, I'd be confused too | 14:23 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: I will request a screenshoot :( | 14:24 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: unless there is somebody else can figure out what he means | 14:26 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, nope, it is unclear what he is talking about. The only think that makes sense is the VT picture. but if you still feel unsure better to communicate with him and get certain. | 14:27 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: ok | 14:28 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: busy ? | 14:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, can you give me 5-10 minutes? | 14:29 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: NO! | 14:29 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, lol I'll take that as a yes | 14:29 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: sure | 14:29 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, okay ready, what's up? | 14:33 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: is about this issue https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/novawebdev-ams/issues/31 | 14:35 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, alright i'm looking at it now | 14:35 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: about credentials stored is already in use | 14:36 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: if you login in the site as an user and you do not logout your account is still there | 14:37 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: unless he is referring to something else | 14:38 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, if that is true then it's not an issue. my dad doesn't have a problem. I'm not sure if he filed the issue because he found out that he had to keep logging in each time. | 14:38 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, could be he filed the issue without testing | 14:38 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: correct | 14:38 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, you'll have to double check with him | 14:39 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: you can test it as a admin | 14:39 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: user: admin psswd: admin | 14:39 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, yes that is how it works for me on my computers, but I haven't tried on the phone... I'll try now | 14:40 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: progressive web apps are the same as in desktop | 14:41 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: the behavior do not change | 14:42 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, yeah I thought that may be the case | 14:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, so shouldn't be an issue | 14:43 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: I mean the functionallity | 14:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, +1 | 14:43 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/novawebdev-ams/issues/32 | 14:45 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: what he means ? | 14:45 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, looking now, give me a sec to think | 14:46 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, I think in the comments section you can write more to be clear about what you are thinking | 14:48 |
| mr_german | lelkneralfaro, are you here? | 14:48 |
| mr_german | need to ask you a quick question | 14:49 |
| mr_german | ;) | 14:49 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, for example, my question here is "is the admin menu not easy enough?" | 14:49 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: I requested an example | 14:49 |
| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, yes one moment let me finish speaking with zOnny | 14:49 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: good point | 14:49 |
| mr_german | sure | 14:49 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, so you can write that out in the comments. I'd say something like "is the admin menu not easy enough? if it is not can you please provide an example of what sort navigation you would like to see? an icon on the main page?" | 14:50 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, something like that. whatever questions you have. details and full thoughts are good for helping us better understand each other | 14:51 |
| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, here, how may I help? | 14:51 |
| mr_german | well | 14:52 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, I have a question for you... what is the "doing" label in gitlab, that means you are currently working on it? | 14:52 |
| mr_german | the navbar should be first and then the banner of the opposite like the dev-site? | 14:53 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, it should mean "in progress" | 14:54 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: correct | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, labels are group controlled | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, so we used the same issue labels in all of our projects | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, feel free to adjust as convenient | 14:54 |
| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, yes navbar/menu on top then banner below it | 14:54 |
| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, is that what you mean? | 14:55 |
| mr_german | yes | 14:55 |
| mr_german | sticky also? | 14:55 |
| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, cool yup, thanks for asking | 14:55 |
| mr_german | sticky menu | 14:55 |
| mr_german | if it is necessary i need to work with that | 14:55 |
| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, I think it would be better if it weren't sticky | 14:56 |
| mr_german | lelkneralfaro, cool | 14:56 |
| mr_german | that's all from now | 14:56 |
| mr_german | thanks! | 14:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, thank you! | 14:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, zOnny thanks for answering | 14:57 |
| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, question for you, still on track to be done by tonight? | 14:57 |
| mr_german | yep | 14:57 |
| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, cool. I'll call Elizabeth's office and let them know | 14:57 |
| mr_german | great! | 14:58 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: these Issues were automatically done once the icon responds in the mobile screen | 15:01 |
| zOnny | I was focusing my time on progressive apps features | 15:02 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: As offline functionallity | 15:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, I'm not sure what you mean since I haven't been keeping up with that project too much | 15:05 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, what do you mean once the icon responds in the mobile screen? | 15:05 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, back to Flint's site, I'm seeing now that all the suggested images by Kevin are of all of VT and not just Barre City. I think the best bet would be to find a map of only his district. if there isn't one available you will probably have to edit an image | 15:08 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: althouth there is one next to his profile picture | 15:15 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: I will look for some options | 15:15 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: if the VT map doesn't fit there | 15:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, I see what you mean, yes I see that's a bit awkward to repeat the map. but it's also not good to have the VT map since that's not who he will be representing. I suggest raising your concern with him and then asking for his input before making a change, or make a change and then confirm with him that he approves it afterwards... which ever is easier for you | 15:18 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, maybe a picture of some monument or landmark in Barre would be better... just a thought | 15:20 |
| mr_german | ACTION goes to take his lunch | 15:31 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: are wikipedia images copyrighted ? | 15:33 |
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| jelkner | replaceafill, ping | 15:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, pong | 15:46 |
| jelkner | i just sent an email to Anya, cc'ing you and lelkneralfaro | 15:47 |
| jelkner | this is what i wanted to happen, we are getting users to try to use our website | 15:47 |
| jelkner | as you can clearly see, they struggle | 15:47 |
| jelkner | our core mission is to reduce the barriers to their being able to use our website as much as possible | 15:48 |
| jelkner | it is that above all else that will determine our success or failure | 15:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we will need a UX specialist for making this easy | 15:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, Tendenci is not there | 15:48 |
| jelkner | well, when we are more successful, my friend | 15:48 |
| jelkner | we can recruit one | 15:48 |
| jelkner | for now, we need to make do with the best we can | 15:49 |
| jelkner | since as you know, we do not have extra resources | 15:49 |
| jelkner | we will have a week to discuss this in el salvador | 15:49 |
| jelkner | for now, why doesn't anya see a login? | 15:49 |
| replaceafill | ok, let's try to figure this out | 15:51 |
| replaceafill | anyone has an iphone here...? | 15:51 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: me | 15:51 |
| replaceafill | if not, chrome device emulator will have to do | 15:51 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, could you go to https://aeava.org | 15:51 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, not authenticated | 15:52 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: on it | 15:52 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, as far as i understand she's looking at the content on mobile, right? | 15:52 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that means the navbar is collapsed | 15:52 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, the login link is on the navbar | 15:52 |
| jelkner | yes | 15:52 |
| jelkner | ok | 15:53 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so you should direct her there | 15:53 |
| jelkner | ok | 15:53 |
| jelkner | the hamburger? | 15:53 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 15:53 |
| replaceafill | fwiw this is how it looks in chrome devtools: https://i.imgur.com/a6POcT3.png | 15:55 |
| replaceafill | you can see the LOGIN link last | 15:55 |
| jelkner | email sent | 15:55 |
| jelkner | so, replaceafill and lelkneralfaro, you can see how important the undefined "super easy" is going to be | 15:56 |
| jelkner | since it will make or break our pricing | 15:56 |
| jelkner | if we are going to provide a year's support for our basic product, we need to minimize the number of users who will get stuck | 15:56 |
| jelkner | or we will not be able to handle the traffic | 15:57 |
| jelkner | anyway, let's see what she does with my email | 15:57 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, i mentioned to you how important september is going to be for us | 15:57 |
| jelkner | we need to get aea to make broad use of our platform | 15:57 |
| jelkner | to do that, we will inevitably get lots and lots of user feedback ;-) :-( | 15:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, do you have some examples of the super easy navigation you have in mind? | 16:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, websites we could compare agains | 16:00 |
| replaceafill | against | 16:00 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, jelkner yea I just looked at facebook | 16:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, jelkner they use the hamburger | 16:01 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and iirc facebook has m.facebook.com | 16:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, +1 | 16:01 |
| zOnny | jelkner: I can fix it if the login should not be in the hamburger | 16:02 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, are you working on this? | 16:03 |
| replaceafill | https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/novawebdev-ams/issues/38 | 16:03 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: Is that not already in use ? once you login | 16:04 |
| jelkner | zOnny, not so fast | 16:04 |
| jelkner | we need to "measure twice and cut once", as the carpenter's say | 16:05 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, no idea, you filed it | 16:05 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i see it has the "Doing" lable | 16:05 |
| replaceafill | label | 16:05 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, which means is in progress | 16:05 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and it doesn't have any weight | 16:06 |
| jelkner | otherwise, zOnny, we will be wasting time and resources, which we don't have | 16:06 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, which means it's "undecided" | 16:06 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I was testing if there was an Issue on it | 16:06 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, could you update it according to your findings? | 16:06 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I will | 16:06 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if it's not being worked on, remove the label | 16:06 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if it's not important, set weight to 1 or None | 16:06 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if it's not needed at all, delete | 16:07 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, even though we have no idea of User Experience | 16:09 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i'd like to request your help with this https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/novawebdev-ams/issues/28 | 16:09 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, not now, maybe later this week | 16:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, cool, want me to assign the issue to myself? | 16:10 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, well, we'll need to code so no | 16:11 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i mean | 16:11 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, we can either retitle that section better | 16:12 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, or redefine the whole view | 16:12 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, it's kind of weird at the moment | 16:12 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, if you consider administrative tasks | 16:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I see what you mean, yeah thanks for putting it on my radar so I'll be ready for it later on | 16:14 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i'm trying to find the conversation i had with Kevin where that came from | 16:15 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, could you follow up here: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nea4or-ams/issues/20 | 16:22 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ok | 16:25 |
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| mr_german | ACTION is back | 16:35 |
| mr_german | lelkneralfaro, are you there? | 16:35 |
| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, yup I'm here | 16:35 |
| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, I'm not here for long. I'm leaving at 5:00 PM. I'll be online later, but I'll be less reliable. it will be out of my "work hours" | 16:42 |
| mr_german | ok | 16:44 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, i just want to know if the fb and twitter sidebars should be in every page | 16:44 |
| mr_german | ? | 16:44 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, do you know what email addresses we have for novalaciro? | 16:44 |
| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, give me a moment to think... | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, Daniela's (organizer@) and Diego's (inquiry@) | 16:45 |
| jelkner | cool, thnx | 16:47 |
| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, I recommend no. I'll double check with them tomorrow, but in my opinion it's not a good idea. | 16:48 |
| mr_german | lelkneralfaro, cool, but, if they want the sidebars on every page. It's not a problem to change it fast | 16:50 |
| mr_german | ;) | 16:50 |
| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, +1 I thought that was probably true. | 16:51 |
| mr_german | 1+ | 16:59 |
| replaceafill | could someone try https://novawebdevelopment.org/forums/c/which-union-5/iww/report-on-iww-presentation-by-clayton-dewey-from-agaric/ in a non-authenticated browser please? | 17:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I'd be glad to help if i can. what's a non-authenticated browser? | 17:04 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, that you're not authenticated in tendenci with your user | 17:04 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, it's an error in our forums | 17:05 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and that forum is public | 17:05 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, so you could go to https://novawebdevelopment.org/forums | 17:05 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, this is the error i'm trying to fix: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/novawebdev-ams/issues/25 | 17:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I'm not seeing a django dump | 17:06 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, great | 17:06 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, thanks! | 17:07 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I logged out followed the links and see the forums | 17:07 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, +1 | 17:07 |
| lelkneralfaro | alright I'm out for the evening. see you all later! | 17:07 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: https://imgur.com/a/yb1vWXB | 17:07 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: not authenticated | 17:08 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, great thanks | 17:08 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i just asked you to test in your phone | 17:08 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i remember you reported the issue there? | 17:08 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: oh remember | 17:08 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: working good | 17:10 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, awesome, thanks for your help | 17:11 |
| jelkner | replaceafill i just sent another reply to anya | 17:16 |
| jelkner | i'll write back to her again as soon as we figure out what is going on. | 17:16 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, let me see the emails | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that tendenci sent | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i don't understand this part of her email | 17:19 |
| replaceafill | "I gave myself the user name Anyagan" | 17:20 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, her username is her gmail address | 17:20 |
| jelkner | so, replaceafill, as you can see, i'm spending most of my afternoon answering emails from the small group (14 people) we have trying to use the system | 17:23 |
| jelkner | just imagine what it will be like when we have 50 people, or 1700? | 17:23 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we don't have a "how to reset your password" help file | 17:24 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's problem #1 | 17:24 |
| jelkner | well then, we need one! | 17:24 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, file an issue! | 17:24 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro should work on this first thing tomorrow | 17:24 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and please label it as "Documentation" | 17:24 |
| jelkner | i'm going to let lekneralfaro file the issue | 17:25 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, do you want me to? | 17:25 |
| jelkner | it may be best if he did | 17:25 |
| jelkner | i'm not trying to be difficult | 17:26 |
| jelkner | but starting august 23rd, i'll have a full time (and then some) job again | 17:26 |
| jelkner | if we rely on me to do these things, we are in trouble | 17:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i know | 17:26 |
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| jelkner | i will continue to volunteer on weekends, of course | 17:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but in my opinion you don't solve this with 25 emails either | 17:27 |
| jelkner | but monday to friday our full time coop members need to be able to handle everything | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you solve this with docs | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and making people to pay attention to their usernames | 17:27 |
| jelkner | not if people don't know where to find the docs | 17:27 |
| jelkner | that will just change the body of the email | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, if we need to make that part of the email body green with blinking fonts we should | 17:27 |
| jelkner | to explain where to find the docs | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but i bet you *some* people will even miss it then | 17:28 |
| jelkner | what we need is documentation integrated into the app itself | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we have that! | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, well | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, not complete documentation | 17:28 |
| jelkner | only practice will tell us if what we have is good enough | 17:28 |
| jelkner | it isn't now | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 17:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and the irony is that you need to be authenticated in order to get to the help menu! | 17:29 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :/ | 17:29 |
| jelkner | zOnny is learning about using javascript to provide help in each of the form fields | 17:29 |
| jelkner | ouch! | 17:29 |
| jelkner | it should be integrated into the form itself | 17:29 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, again, that's Tendenci for us | 17:29 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, the help-files are public though | 17:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so it should be "easy" to make them accessible | 17:30 |
| jelkner | let's talk more next week | 17:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 17:30 |
| jelkner | again, i want the suggestion, "your user name is your email address" in the username field | 17:30 |
| jelkner | in light gray | 17:30 |
| jelkner | so that users don't have to navigate away | 17:31 |
| jelkner | using docs is very challenging on a mobile device | 17:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, makes sense | 17:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, "I’m good I just voted " | 17:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, see? | 17:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's my point | 17:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it's a users problem most of the times | 17:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure, we suck | 17:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but sometimes people just don't read the email | 17:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, anyway | 17:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and Valerie maybe voted from an iPhone! | 17:32 |
| replaceafill | :) | 17:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, hopefully she was at the drugstore | 17:32 |
| jelkner | if it wasn't for those pesky users life would be so good! | 17:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, in line to the cash register | 17:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :P | 17:33 |
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| jelkner | on another topic, replaceafill, roxana completely approves of the "you pick me up at the airport and stay in that nearby hotel plan" | 17:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool, that's a go then! | 17:34 |
| jelkner | she still needs to get in touch with her brother about how i get the rental car sunday morning | 17:34 |
| jelkner | but we are looking good | 17:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i was thinking of getting to your room earlier | 17:34 |
| jelkner | can i reserve a room online? | 17:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so we make sure everything is in place | 17:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i was thinking of doing that | 17:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, here | 17:35 |
| jelkner | that would be great! | 17:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'll take care of it | 17:35 |
| jelkner | gfbot__, are you here? | 17:35 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, i was hoping to talk with mr_german about plans for sunday | 17:38 |
| jelkner | i'll look for him tomorrow | 17:38 |
| jelkner | i'm about to sign off for the day | 17:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool, i spoke with my sister today | 17:39 |
| jelkner | i have an ora sc meeting | 17:39 |
| gfbot__ | jelkner, yes | 17:39 |
| jelkner | before i go | 17:39 |
| jelkner | can we use this as a chance to sign-in to a meeting? | 17:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, did you set up an event for it? | 17:39 |
| jelkner | ACTION can't wait until he can do that easily from his ubuntu phone ;-) | 17:39 |
| jelkner | i'll do that now | 17:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 17:40 |
| jelkner | oh, in this case, replacefill, i would only want ora sc members to be able to see the event | 17:44 |
| jelkner | or mark themselves present | 17:44 |
| jelkner | we don't support that yet, right? | 17:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's not possible at the moment | 17:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, nope | 17:44 |
| jelkner | never mind then | 17:45 |
| jelkner | i'll try it at tomorrow's meeting | 17:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, want me t ofile an issue? | 17:45 |
| jelkner | not yet | 17:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 17:45 |
| jelkner | again, let's focus on our product at the moment | 17:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 17:45 |
| jelkner | we need to start filing issues when there is a bit of $$ behind them | 17:45 |
| jelkner | we are out of freebies for the time being | 17:45 |
| jelkner | we need to survive | 17:46 |
| jelkner | so this would be a good plug for crowdfunding | 17:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 17:46 |
| jelkner | perhaps we can find a way for folks to even fund particular features they want | 17:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, hopefully | 17:46 |
| jelkner | mr_german, will you be coming on sunday? | 17:47 |
| mr_german | yes, i do | 17:47 |
| mr_german | i will* | 17:47 |
| jelkner | great! | 17:47 |
| jelkner | i'll have the car then, so we can make our way to san juan that evening | 17:47 |
| mr_german | jelkner, i'm nervous btw | 17:47 |
| jelkner | looking forward to my visit! | 17:47 |
| jelkner | np, it will be great fun | 17:47 |
| mr_german | ;) | 17:47 |
| mr_german | cool | 17:48 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, why are you nervous? | 17:48 |
| jelkner | he doesn't need a reason, replaceafill, he just is | 17:48 |
| replaceafill | ?!?!? | 17:48 |
| replaceafill | ok... | 17:49 |
| replaceafill | you usually have a reason to feel nervous :P | 17:49 |
| jelkner | really, replaceafill, not in my experience | 17:49 |
| jelkner | i mean not a rational one any way | 17:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, kk | 17:49 |
| replaceafill | i'll leave mr_german alone, he's too nervous to answer | 17:50 |
| replaceafill | :)) | 17:50 |
| jelkner | nervous == excited, unsure of what to expect, cares seriously and wants things to go well | 17:50 |
| jelkner | it's all good! | 17:50 |
| replaceafill | cool | 17:50 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, no estoy acostumbrado a estar mucho tiempo fuera de mi casa. x) | 17:51 |
| mr_german | nada más es eso | 17:51 |
| jelkner | okie dokie, i need to sign off and get ready for the ora sc meeting | 17:51 |
| replaceafill | later jelkner o | 17:51 |
| replaceafill | o/ | 17:51 |
| jelkner | hasta tomorrow | 17:51 |
| mr_german | cya | 17:51 |
| mr_german | o/ | 17:51 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ahora vas a entender lo que es enfocarse solo en el trabajo | 17:51 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, y vas a ver cuanto vas a avanzar | 17:51 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ojala lo entendas :) | 17:52 |
| mr_german | eso espero x) | 17:52 |
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