IRC log of #novawebdev for Thursday, 2018-09-13

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lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, ping11:31
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, pong, just a minute11:31
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, +!11:31
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ok, done, good morning11:32
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, what's up?11:33
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, good morning :)11:33
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I'm working with Keri to import members now11:33
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, and the processing time is very long11:36
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, you think it got stuck?11:36
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, possibly11:36
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I don't think it should take this long11:36
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, let me check the logs11:36
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, if it's not stuck. it's taking too long for it to be a good user experience11:36
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, mine is still processing now11:36
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, the server is not processing anything11:38
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and it seems like not event a importing task has been scheduled11:38
replaceafillnot even*11:38
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, that's an issue :/11:38
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, Keri tried twice11:38
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I'm trying now. I see it saying processing11:39
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, yes, i can see you accessing the url11:39
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replaceafilllelkneralfaro, but the process doesn't continue11:39
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, it smells like a wrong setup somewhere11:40
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, give me a moment to compare to our server11:40
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, +111:40
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ah! found it11:41
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, hhmm11:41
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, it'll take me a few minutes to make them match11:41
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, 10 minutes11:42
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, can you wait?11:42
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yup 11:42
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, cool, ping you in a moment11:43
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, great thanks11:43
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, could you retry?11:55
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yup I'll give it a shot now11:56
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i've enabled debugging11:56
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, in case you see the yellow page11:56
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, cool11:56
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, what does having debugging enabled mean?11:57
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, and it worked!11:57
replaceafillreplaceafill, that you don't get "oops" pages11:57
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ^11:57
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, you see the actual error displayed11:57
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, why not have that all the time?11:58
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, bad for the user to see the error?11:58
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, because it's a security risk11:58
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, ahh I thought that might be it11:58
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, you're dumping too much inner knowledge, sometimes passwords, etc11:58
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, okay so can you please turn of debugging now and I'll shoot Keri an email saying she can make the import?11:59
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, cool, hold on12:00
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, done12:02
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, cool ty12:02
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mr_germanreplaceafill, my apologies :(12:30
mr_germanfor the delay12:30
replaceafillmr_german, i'm really tired of having to deal with this12:30
replaceafillmr_german, to be honest you make me want to quit12:30
replaceafillmr_german, anyway12:30
mr_germani had some problems that's all..12:31
replaceafillmr_german, then you have to call me12:31
replaceafillmr_german, i have told you that12:31
replaceafillmr_german, "Douglas i'll be late for the f****g meeting"12:31
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replaceafillmr_german, use those two branches to base your work on12:32
replaceafillmr_german, one is for the base theme12:33
replaceafillmr_german, the other is for the attendance app12:33
replaceafillmr_german, you'll see the one link now at the top12:33
replaceafillmr_german, no more iframes12:33
mr_germanreplaceafill, yeah i can see12:33
mr_germanreplaceafill, can i use css on custom now?12:33
mr_germanfor that12:33
replaceafillmr_german, no12:33
replaceafillmr_german, use base12:33
replaceafillmr_german, we want this to look the same in all the themes12:34
mr_germanit will work┬┐?12:34
replaceafillmr_german, that's your job, isn't it?12:34
mr_germani mean12:34
mr_germanif it is not necessary12:34
mr_germanto add style12:34
mr_germansign in link12:34
mr_germantemplate anymore12:34
replaceafillmr_german, i don't understand what you're saying12:34
replaceafillmr_german, i'll call you12:35
mr_germansi ya no tengo que agregar12:35
mr_germancss and esa tempalte12:35
mr_germananteriormente no funcionaba el css de base en el iframe12:35
replaceafillmr_german, ya no hay iframe12:35
replaceafillmr_german, es solo un enlace12:35
replaceafillmr_german, con un div con una clase12:36
mr_germanes como una template mas de tendenci ahora verdad?12:36
replaceafillmr_german, que aparece cuando tiene que aparecer12:36
replaceafillmr_german, si12:36
replaceafillmr_german, podes hacer hangout?12:36
replaceafillmr_german, no contestas...12:38
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jelknerlelkneralfaro, r u here?12:59
jelknerreplaceafill, r u here?13:04
replaceafilljelkner, yes13:04
jelkneri read the message13:04
replaceafilljelkner, sorry for all the poison13:04
jelknerlooks like uncle grumpy is having a bad day :-(13:04
replaceafilljelkner, i'm really pissed13:05
jelknertake a deep breath13:05
replaceafilljelkner, i just did, still pissed13:05
replaceafilljelkner, :P13:05
jelknermaybe you need a day off?13:05
replaceafilljelkner, nah13:05
replaceafilljelkner, it's fine13:06
jelknerisaac is still waiting13:06
jelknerwill you be around this weekend?13:06
jelkneri want to check in with you and lelkneralfaro 13:06
replaceafilljelkner, ah sure13:06
jelknerand the only time i can really do that is weekends13:06
replaceafilljelkner, yes, i understand13:06
jelkneri still think we should reinstitute the sunday 30 minute meeting13:06
replaceafilljelkner, +113:07
replaceafilljelkner, let's vote on it! :D13:07
jelkneri'll be home all weekend13:08
jelknerso i'll create a vote, and send out an email on saturday13:08
jelkneri have back to school night tonight13:08
jelknerparents coming13:09
replaceafilljelkner, ah13:09
jelknerso i need to be on my "A game"13:09
replaceafilljelkner, very busy i imagine13:09
jelknerthings will settle down a bit next week13:09
jelknerbut this is going to be a great year!13:09
replaceafilljelkner, i'd like to borrow some of your good spirit my friend13:09
jelkneri am worried about one thing, though13:10
jelknerwe haven't been getting any checks in the mail recently13:10
jelknerhow are we doing?13:10
replaceafilljelkner, waiting on gallaudet i think13:11
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro is a better person to answer that13:11
jelkneri understand, that's why i want the weekend meeting13:13
replaceafilljelkner, +113:14
jelknerlelkneralfaro, r u here13:17
jelknerreplaceafill, can we pick a time?13:24
jelkneri was hoping to find lelkneralfaro here13:24
jelknerbut i have a 1 pm meeting on saturday13:25
jelknerand then we have a family obligation in the evening13:25
jelknersunday is more wide open13:25
jelknerbut saturday morning (before 12:30 pm) is good too13:25
jelknerwhat works best for you?13:25
jelknerwe can email lelkneralfaro and hope he can make it13:25
jelkneror offer him two choices13:25
replaceafilljelkner, what about saturday 11 am?13:26
jelknercan you please ask lelkneralfaro when you see him?13:26
replaceafilljelkner, sure13:26
jelkneri'll put saturday 11 am on my calendar13:26
jelknerand assume we are on unless i hear otherwise from you13:26
replaceafilljelkner, cool, i'll ask him13:26
replaceafilljelkner, np13:27
replaceafillmr_german, i'll check it later today13:50
mr_germanreplaceafill, k13:50
replaceafillmr_german, does it behave *exactly* as master?13:51
mr_germanreplaceafill, yes, kind of13:51
mr_germanyou should13:51
mr_germanreplaceafill, one things is  that it should be work on every theme13:52
mr_germanbut, we can test that later13:52
replaceafillmr_german, you need to make sure of that13:53
replaceafillmr_german, why do it later?13:53
replaceafillmr_german, why don't you do it now?13:53
mr_germanreplaceafill, i need to know if that change is ok13:53
replaceafillmr_german, that's the whole point of the task13:53
replaceafillmr_german, what do you need to know?13:54
replaceafillmr_german, exactly13:54
mr_germanreplaceafill, im waiting for you if that works13:54
mr_germanas you want13:54
mr_germanreplaceafill, well, on ora it looks pretty good13:57
replaceafillmr_german, i'm not sure this is right:13:57
replaceafillmr_german, why do you need the container to be a nav?13:58
mr_germanbecause on every theme 13:58
mr_german"nav" class is using different paddings and colors13:59
mr_germanwith this13:59
mr_germanthe button should have same height, padding and colors13:59
mr_germanthat makes the button works13:59
mr_germanon every theme13:59
mr_germanwithout problems13:59
replaceafillmr_german, why did you remove the logo?14:02
replaceafillline 2214:02
mr_germanoh yeah, use that space for the link14:04
mr_germanmobile 14:06
replaceafillmr_german, you know you should use the issues for sharing screenshots14:07
replaceafillmr_german, i think we'll need to run this by jelkner14:08
mr_germanwell me post the images14:08
mr_germanlet me*14:08
mr_germanreplaceafill, should i use this issue?14:09
replaceafillmr_german, yes14:09
replaceafillmr_german, can you show it in AEA and NOVALACIRO?14:10
replaceafillmr_german, and NWD14:10
mr_germanreplaceafill, on the issue14:10
mr_germanor here14:10
replaceafillmr_german, issue...14:10
mr_germanbut that issue?14:10
replaceafillmr_german, yes14:11
replaceafillyeah, i'm having a bad day14:11
replaceafilli probably need a week off or something14:12
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i just noticed an error in AEA14:14
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, are you around?14:14
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, it looks like someone tried to create a group with a slash in the url path14:17
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i just tested the demo and that produces an oops page14:17
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, sorry i disappeared for a bit ill be able to help keri with that soon.14:31
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i just removed the group14:31
mr_germanreplaceafill, one question14:33
replaceafillmr_german, yes?14:33
mr_germanany reason that navbar menu disappear when i change the ifram for this "{% sign_in_link %}"14:34
mr_germanon novawebdev and novalaciro14:34
replaceafillmr_german, it means the template gets broken14:34
replaceafillmr_german, and django swallows it completely14:35
replaceafillmr_german, did you load the attendance_tags?14:35
replaceafillmr_german, {% load attendance_tags %} at the top14:35
mr_germanreplaceafill, ups, yeah that was the problem+14:35
replaceafillmr_german, kk14:35
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, before i forget!14:38
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, can we meet on saturday at 11 am?14:38
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yes that will work. What about?14:38
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, jelkner wants to check on liberia and finances14:38
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yup that's alright.14:39
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, cool14:39
replaceafillmr_german, ok, i can check your branch now14:40
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, thanks for letting me know14:40
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, np14:40
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, you can see our conversation about it in the logs if you're interested14:40
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i may have missed something else jelkner wants to discuss :D14:40
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, cool ill take a look14:41
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replaceafillACTION goes to get lunch, bb in ~4015:23
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zOnnylelkneralfaro: are you around ?16:15
lelkneralfarozOnny, yup I'm here16:16
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lelkneralfarozOnny, what's up?16:17
replaceafillACTION is back16:18
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, hey got a sec? just want to notify you of something16:20
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, yes?16:20
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I just got a call from Gallaudet, they said that they want us to bill them for hours that we work16:21
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, and that they won't be able to pay the $5,000 upfront16:21
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ouch16:21
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, they have agreed to $100/hour16:21
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, can we say no at this point?16:22
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, hopefully it ends up being okay in the end16:22
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, we could still say no...16:22
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, although there is still the chance to make some money here16:22
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, we're just unfortunately waiting for them to give us access and then tasks16:23
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replaceafilllelkneralfaro, but 10k are not guaranteed16:23
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, that is true16:23
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, have you let jelkner know?16:24
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, if we don't do the Gallaudet thing, that means we need to make a big push to sell tendenci16:24
jelknerjelkner is here now16:24
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, no I haven't told him yet, just got the call 30 min ago16:24
lelkneralfaroahh true16:24
lelkneralfarojelkner, you here?16:24
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, cool, he's here :)16:24
lelkneralfarojelkner, you see the conversation about Gallaudet?16:25
jelkneri did16:25
jelkneryou're the folks who need to decide, but i think turning away work at $100 per hour is really bad business16:26
lelkneralfarojelkner, cool, well that's the news. on that, just wanted to pass it along.16:26
lelkneralfarojelkner, replaceafill I agree, I think we need to take it16:26
jelknerbureaucracies are always hard to deal with16:26
replaceafilljelkner, what if we end up billing 2 hours for september?16:26
jelknerthat's why we are charging the rate that we are16:26
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, jelkner even if it doesn't end up being 100 hours, the income will help16:26
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, replaceafill where we stand financially is that we have about $2300 in the bank (not the exact number) 16:27
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro less than 100 guaranteed hours doesn't seem worth it to me16:27
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro it was what would help us survive these two months16:28
jelknerit's your call, replaceafill 16:28
jelknerit's the gamble16:29
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, jelkner I don't feel confident to say that they will need the 100 hours16:29
jelknermy hunch is they will need a reasonable number of hours16:29
jelknerubuntourist should be brought in on that to confirm16:29
replaceafilli dont either16:29
replaceafillit's the 13th already16:29
replaceafilland we don't even have access16:29
jelkneri have talked to ubuntourist about this numerous times16:30
replaceafillit's going to be a lot of stress down the line16:30
jelknerthis is basically "par for the course" as far as he tells me16:30
replaceafill100/h for stress, told you about my OpenCraft gig, right...?16:30
jelknerthey do everything late and then get all desperate when the deadline approaches16:30
jelkneryes, replaceafill, and i understand you're already stressed today16:31
replaceafillto me, this is changing the deal16:31
jelknerto this is just piling on16:31
jelkneri get that16:31
jelknermaybe you need a day off16:31
replaceafillmaybe i need a week off...16:31
jelknerprobably not16:31
jelknera good night sleep and a sunny day tomorrow and the world will look different16:32
jelknerin any case16:32
jelknerhere is my thinking:16:32
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jelkner1. Gallaudet pays us at a good rate16:32
jelkner2. They do pay (ubuntourist has been collecting for years)16:33
jelkner3. We should begin working on plan C while we wait16:33
lelkneralfarojelkner, plan C? I only knew about plan B16:35
jelknerplan C is a business loan16:35
jelknerreplaceafill, perhaps we should wait until saturday to talk to you16:35
jelknerunderstand this16:36
replaceafilljelkner, cool16:36
jelkneri have invested $50K in a dream16:36
replaceafilljelkner, but to be honest16:36
jelkneri'm ok if it doesn't come true16:36
jelkneryou can't count on that16:36
jelknerbut i am not ok being the one responsible for its failure16:36
jelknersuccess comes from following a good idea and rolling the dice16:36
jelknerwe have a good idea16:36
jelkneri know we do16:37
replaceafilljelkner, who is responsible for failure at this point?16:37
jelknerif we walk away, we are16:37
replaceafilljelkner, can *i* walk away?16:37
jelkneryou can't win if you we don't play16:37
jelknerif you walk away, you will be responsible for our failure16:37
jelknerit's your right16:37
jelknerbut it would suck16:37
jelknerwe can't do this without you at this point16:38
jelknersoon i hope we can build enough redundancy not to have a single point of failure16:38
jelknerbut now we still do16:38
jelknerand you, my dear friend, are it16:38
replaceafillbut you're willing to keep making loans in this position16:38
jelknerif we can get a business loan16:39
replaceafilljelkner, i'm just not confortable with that anymore16:39
jelknerit isn't my loan16:39
replaceafilljelkner, either it's you or nwd16:39
jelknerif the business fails16:39
jelknerthe business defaults on the loan16:39
jelkneri don't have to cover it16:39
jelkneri don't know if we can get such a loan16:39
jelknerbut by now we may be able to16:39
jelknernovawebdevelopment is an LLC16:39
jelknerthat means limited liability16:40
lelkneralfarojelkner, no we aren't :)16:40
jelknerwe were when we started16:40
lelkneralfarojelkner, yeah we've had this conversation a few times... but I know repeating needs to happen16:40
lelkneralfarojelkner, no you never were16:40
lelkneralfarojelkner, always an S-corp16:40
lelkneralfarojelkner, s-corp's might be limited liability16:41
jelkneri think it is16:41
lelkneralfarojelkner, but there is research that needs to be done there16:41
jelknerlet's look into that16:41
jelknerso that's plan c16:41
jelknerplan d is replaceafill and lelkneralfaro find other work until we hit opportunity16:42
jelkneri was just asking zOnny how he is going to make his car payment this month16:42
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, what are you thinking if you don't mind me asking?16:42
jelknerwe have 4 people depending on our coop for their livelihood16:42
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, drop it and move on16:43
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, in my opinion16:43
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, we don't have the slightest idea of how many hours gallaudet will need16:43
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, if somebody could firmly say, oh yeah, last year it was X amount of hours16:44
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and the previous year, Y amount16:44
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, this would be different because you could estimate how short you'll be16:44
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and sure, they could pay a lot of money16:44
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, but if this was about money... we'd probably be doing something else at this point16:45
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i don't miss the 75/h days with chest pain to make deadlines16:45
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and gallaudet doesn't help the business16:46
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, other than help us sustain 2 more months16:46
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, that was the whole point of taking it16:46
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, we're not improving attendance or voting by *helping* them16:46
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i'd radther take the piece of... software we have16:47
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and start knocking doors16:47
jelknerok, replaceafill, that sounds reasonable to me16:47
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, it's the 13th and you and i haven't had paid16:47
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and that's fine16:47
jelknerbut i would urge you to at least run this by ubuntourist, lelkneralfaro 16:47
jelknerlet him know we are planning to do that16:48
jelknersince he has a relationship with Gallaudet that we don't want to harm unnecessarily16:48
jelknerso we should at least withdrawal politely16:48
jelknerthat would be good practice for you, lelkneralfaro 16:49
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, how about this. before we drop Gallaudet, I will try to nail down how many hours they have needed in the past16:49
jelknera nice "Thank you for considering us but under the circumstances we don't feel we can give you what you need."16:49
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, why don't we nail down first how many hours we need?16:49
jelknerlelkneralfaro, can you please talk to ubuntourist ASAP.16:50
jelknerreplaceafill is beginning to win me over on this16:50
replaceafilljelkner, :D16:50
jelknerif they are behind, it means stress16:50
lelkneralfarolol want to take this to hangouts?16:50
replaceafilljelkner, i was counting on stress16:50
replaceafilljelkner, 100%16:50
replaceafilljelkner, but at a 10k for 2 months rate, not 100/h16:51
jelknerif they won't get it together, we will be spending a lot of time dealing with a terrible situation16:51
jelknerso ask ubuntourist what he thinks16:51
jelknerthe advantage of pulling out means total focus on Libre Organize16:52
jelknerwhile we wait for Liberia of course16:52
lelkneralfarojelkner, for how long? with what money?16:52
jelknerI think we need a loan16:52
jelknerso lelkneralfaro should research that immediately16:52
jelknerbusinesses usually begin with loans16:53
jelknerwe have a year history, and an impressive website16:53
jelknerand a good idea and a decent track record16:53
jelknerwe have assets we shouldn't underestimate16:53
jelknerwe need to keep our 4 people who need us with roofs and bread16:54
jelknera loan to tide us over16:54
jelknerwe need to hit the circuit16:54
lelkneralfarowhat are our development goals?16:54
lelkneralfaroimprove events? improve other features?16:54
jelknerlelkneralfaro, an agile approach means we focus on customer needs16:55
lelkneralfarowhat do we need the software to look like for it to be the product we want?16:55
jelknerwe have two really good customers16:55
jelkneri mentioned that you should come to beginning of the ORA meeting help folks use meetings16:55
jelkneryou should visit AEA and help Keri use lists and voting and meetings16:56
jelknerwe get people to use our product16:56
jelknerand fix what's broken16:56
jelknerand make a big push for donations16:56
jelkneron libera pay16:56
jelkneryou told me that is working16:56
jelknerwe need it on our website16:56
lelkneralfarolibera pay is a bad platform16:57
jelknerthen pick a good platform16:57
lelkneralfaroyes I was doing research on another that I think may be better16:57
jelkneri thought you said libera pay is working16:57
lelkneralfarolibera pay it never ended up working for the team 16:57
lelkneralfaroalthough donations to an individual works16:57
lelkneralfaroand it can be used for that16:58
jelkneryeah, that's bad16:58
lelkneralfarobut the broken team suggested they may not have it together 16:58
lelkneralfaroand may be unreliable16:58
jelkneryou filed an issue, yes?16:58
lelkneralfaroothers already have16:58
jelknerso look for an alternative16:58
lelkneralfaroyes I found one to explore already16:58
jelkneri'm going to polish the lightning talk i gave in philly16:59
jelknerit was very well received16:59
lelkneralfarobut the question about money right now remains16:59
lelkneralfarowe have $2300 in the bank16:59
jelknermjsir911's dad gave me good feedback on the way back from philly16:59
jelkneron how to make it better16:59
lelkneralfarorent is due in just over two weeks16:59
lelkneralfarowe'll be in a worse position come Oct. 117:00
lelkneralfaroif we focus on libre organize and fundraising it will take some time17:00
jelknerso the bottom line, lelkneralfaro, is what i mentioned to you before17:00
jelkneryou need to decide whether you really want to do this17:01
lelkneralfarojelkner, well I never agreed with how you framed the issue17:01
jelknerand then like they used to say in the FPL, "Hagale uveos, compa├▒ero!"17:02
lelkneralfarojelkner, and I don't think that's a responsible thing to ask17:02
jelknerlook, my beloved son, we have no choice17:02
jelknerin this kind of game, folks who succeed are willing to do what it takes17:03
jelknerthe movie hollywood shuffle was made by a director who used credit cards to fund it17:03
jelknerwe can take a loan17:04
lelkneralfarojelkner, I hear what you are saying. but I'm sure we can gather a number of of stories of people who have gone bankrupt or failed trying to do the same thing17:04
lelkneralfarojelkner, if a loan is a possibility I'm okay with that. 17:04
jelknerso look, we have a meeting scheduled for 11 am saturday17:04
jelknerfind out by then what an s-corp is17:04
lelkneralfarojelkner, as long as my credit won't be affected17:05
jelknercan NOVA Web Development take out a load for say, $50K17:05
jelknerand then not make the members personally liable17:05
jelkneror perhaps since we have no capital assets17:06
jelknerthey won't lend us $50K17:06
jelknerbut maybe $10K17:06
jelknerwhich would keep us going while we wait for Liberia and develop and promote Libre Organize17:06
jelknercan we do that?17:06
lelkneralfaroI can do the research17:07
jelkneroh, i mean loan, not load ;-)17:07
jelknerlet's resume this conversation saturday17:07
jelknerand i'll email ubuntourist and ask him to read this log17:07
jelknerif gallaudet comes up with a better offer of some guaranteed hours, we can ask replaceafill to reconsider17:08
jelknerif not, we follow his lead and drop it17:08
jelknerhis argument is sound that without something clearer17:08
jelknerwe are in for a rough ride17:09
jelknerthat doesn't help us enough to be worth it17:09
jelknerbut let's have ubuntourist weigh in17:09
jelknerare we good?17:09
lelkneralfarojelkner, one question17:10
jelknerisaac has a possible customer coming to see me now17:10
jelknerso i need to go17:10
jelknercan you email me the question?17:10
lelkneralfarojelkner, cool ttyl17:10
lelkneralfarojelkner, ill just talk to replaceafill 17:10
jelknerhasta sabado17:10
jelkner11 am17:10
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, still here?17:11
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, yes17:11
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, want to continue this conversation later, and just take a break for now? 17:11
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, my question might lead to more conversation...17:12
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ask the question and then we decide?17:12
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, :) cool17:13
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, so even if we say there is a high probability the 100 hours were going to come, as uncertain and stressful as they might be when they arrive, are you still leaning towards steering clear of the gig?17:13
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, not sure if this part of the conversation answer your question:17:16
replaceafill jelkner, i was counting on stress17:16
replaceafill jelkner, 100%17:16
replaceafill jelkner, but at a 10k for 2 months rate, not 100/h17:16
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i'm referring to the last sentence to be clear17:16
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, from the picture Kevin has painted about gallaudet i kind of know what is coming17:17
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and i was fine until i realize it's not a formal contract17:17
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I understand. but, the 2 months always had 100/hr included. maybe that wasn't clear17:17
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i always understood it was going to be 5k upfront 5k once their book is printed17:18
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I was disappointed by that as well. I didn't expect that to happen. I was encouraged by that first contract that was signed but then all the mess came after17:18
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, the upfront 5k would give us "peace of mind"17:19
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, to last for the stress17:19
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yes I was asking for 5K upfront. 5K upon the completion of 100 hours17:19
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yes because we were warned that they are hard to work with that's why i asked for the upfront payment17:19
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, but that has gone down the drain :/17:20
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ok17:21
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, okay well I hear what you are saying. no need to continue...17:21
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, cool17:22
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, alright. i'll do some investigating and thinking. talk to you later. 17:22
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, thanks, ttyl17:22
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jelknerreplaceafill, lelkneralfaro, email to ubuntourist just sent17:47
replaceafilljelkner, cool17:47
lelkneralfarojelkner, thanks17:47
zOnnylelkneralfaro: are you around ?18:00
lelkneralfarozOnny, yes I am here18:00
zOnnylelkneralfaro: can you give a favor ?18:02
lelkneralfarozOnny, i don't have much time. but I can now if it is small18:02
lelkneralfarozOnny, or if it can wait later I can do it then18:02
zOnnylelkneralfaro: can you purchase this domain ?18:02
lelkneralfarozOnny, what is this for?18:03
zOnnylelkneralfaro:of course, once you get chance 18:03
lelkneralfarozOnny, for a nova web customer?18:03
zOnnylelkneralfaro: I just met a customer who want a website 18:04
lelkneralfarozOnny, this is the person that stopped by my dad's room?18:04
zOnnylelkneralfaro: correct18:04
lelkneralfarozOnny, have you spoken about payments with them already?18:04
zOnnylelkneralfaro: I have estimated him $5000 for a simple site 18:05
zOnnylelkneralfaro: is that fair ?18:06
lelkneralfarozOnny, depends... you have more experience than me with that. $5000 or $500 btw?18:06
lelkneralfarozOnny, if you ended up spending much more time on Amparo's site, that shows you how that goes18:07
zOnnylelkneralfaro: Oops! $500 18:07
lelkneralfarozOnny, I have had projects that took too many hours as well, where we have underbilled18:08
lelkneralfarozOnny, $500 seems okay for a quick set up. but they should know that all changes afterwards need to be billed hourly18:08
lelkneralfarozOnny, all the back and forth and small changes take a lot of time18:08
zOnnylelkneralfaro: yeah, we just talk about simple site18:09
lelkneralfarozOnny, sorry if you already know this, just want to make sure you are prepared18:09
lelkneralfarozOnny, cool. well if you say you want the domain, you've got it :)18:09
lelkneralfarozOnny, I'll purchase it tonight. probably around 9 or 1018:09
lelkneralfarozOnny, i'll send you an email18:09
zOnnylelkneralfaro: can you get in touch with him ?18:09
lelkneralfarozOnny, yes I can take care of that, if you send me his contact information and anything else I might need to know18:10
zOnnylelkneralfaro: we actually mentioned you for dealing with the proccess after the site18:10
lelkneralfarozOnny, cool. thats alright with me18:10
zOnnylelkneralfaro: if he want to be trained for example18:10
zOnnylelkneralfaro: I talk him about the site included CMS but train them will cost $30 hr18:11
lelkneralfarozOnny, yes, I'll take care of that. it will be a good opportunity to put together the pricing materials18:12
lelkneralfarozOnny, send me his info please18:12
zOnnylelkneralfaro: can you send an email saying his domain was pruchased ?18:12
zOnnylelkneralfaro: that is a good question18:12
lelkneralfarozOnny, send it to him you mean? if so, yes I can18:13
lelkneralfarozOnny, it will happen later tonight18:13
zOnnylelkneralfaro: there is not need for rushing18:14
lelkneralfarozOnny, cool. thanks :)18:14
zOnnylelkneralfaro: unless someone else take it :(18:14
lelkneralfarozOnny, lol, I doubt that will happen so quickly. but I'll buy it tonight, it won't take long18:15
lelkneralfarozOnny, I just can't do it right at this moment18:15
zOnnylelkneralfaro: ok18:15
zOnnylelkneralfaro: thanks 18:15
lelkneralfarozOnny, in fact, I have to go, there is someone coming over to see our house, I need to find 4 people to rent rooms to18:15
lelkneralfarozOnny, no fun :(18:15
zOnnylelkneralfaro: I see18:16
lelkneralfarozOnny, 4 of the people I am living with are leaving 18:16
zOnnylelkneralfaro: that is not good man18:16
lelkneralfarozOnny, :D i know, it kind of sucks. i liked most of the people leaving18:16
lelkneralfarozOnny, except one18:16
lelkneralfarozOnny, well ttyl, got to clean up a little bit18:17
zOnnylelkneralfaro: sure18:17
lelkneralfaroACTION tidies up for potential new housemates18:17
jelknerlater, lelkneralfaro 18:17
jelknerthis new customer is a long time friend of isaac18:18
jelknerwith a non-profit org18:18
jelknerjust wants cms18:18
jelknergood gig for zOnny to handle18:18
jelknerokie dokie18:18
jelknerACTION signs off for the night18:19
jelknerhasta tomorrow...18:19
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