IRC log of #novawebdev for Tuesday, 2018-09-18

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lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, ping11:09
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, pong11:09
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, just got an email from Senda asking about a T1 form, I imagine that is the security form you mentioned yesterday11:09
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, will you be getting to that today?11:10
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ah yes, that's the form, but it's requesting an ID i couldn't find11:10
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, hold on11:10
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, cool11:11
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, BISON ID just shared you a screenshot in google chat11:12
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, looking at it now. I'll ask about it, I have no idea what that is11:12
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i also went through the account activation process11:13
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, cool, were you successful?11:15
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, yes, that worked11:15
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, great11:15
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mr_germanim here replaceafill 12:51
mr_german;)12:51
replaceafillmr_german, cool12:51
replaceafillmr_german, did you finish the tutorial?12:52
mr_germandjango one?12:52
replaceafillmr_german, yes12:52
mr_germanreplaceafill, i cant say yes because there are things that I don't understand yet12:53
replaceafillmr_german, ok12:54
replaceafillmr_german, when do you think you'll finish it then?12:54
mr_germanreplaceafill, maybe today12:55
replaceafillmr_german, ok12:55
mr_germanbut, i was learning about react12:55
mr_germanis really interesting12:55
replaceafillmr_german, sigh12:55
replaceafillmr_german, that's not a priority yet12:55
replaceafillmr_german, django is12:55
mr_germani k12:55
replaceafillmr_german, i told you to focus on it12:56
mr_german:(12:56
lelkneralfaroACTION goes to lunch bb in 40 min13:02
replaceafillmr_german, please answer zOnny's question asap13:11
mr_germanreplaceafill, what question?13:13
replaceafillmr_german, gitlab13:13
mr_germanhe's not here13:13
mr_germanoh13:13
replaceafillmr_german, did you do all of these: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/novawebdev-ams/issues/74#note_10155473713:18
mr_germanyes i did13:18
mr_germanif you want you can take a look13:18
replaceafillmr_german, that's what zOnny is doing13:19
replaceafillmr_german, i don't need to13:19
replaceafillmr_german, paste a screenshot so he can see it13:19
replaceafillACTION goes to pick up his daugther, bb at 3pm13:36
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lelkneralfaroubuntourist, hello, are you available?14:14
ubuntouristI was about to say I hadn't had a coughing fit in over an hour... But as I started to type, that became a false statement.14:15
lelkneralfarooh no, I'm sorry to hear that you have been sick :/14:15
ubuntouristSo... "available" but "death warmed over" would be an improvement at this point.14:16
ubuntouristI know jelkner's been hunting my bones the past few days. I got sick on Thursday.14:17
lelkneralfarolol. well I just wanted to poke you about the T1 form sent over from Gallaudet14:17
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, yes, his pursuit is all the more reason to play dead14:17
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, and you can add mine to the list14:17
ubuntouristOh, good. That was going to be one of MY questions: Did replaceafill get one?14:17
lelkneralfaroyes he did14:18
lelkneralfaroI'm waiting to hear back from Senda on what to put for the bison id14:18
ubuntouristI saw from various discussion that the deal with Chip is less-than-inspiring...14:19
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill and I are unsure what we should do in that field14:19
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, yes that's the case, they have been slow to move forward and have moved backward on our original deal of $5000 upfront $5000 upon completion14:19
ubuntouristjelkner's attitude is that, because I have history, I'm going to make miracles happen. 14:20
ubuntouristGallaudet's a big place, and I am a small -- and RETIRED -- guy. i.e. what little pull I had is largely gone.14:20
lelkneralfaroI understand that14:20
lelkneralfaroI think he just wanted to check in to see if there was anything you could do14:21
ubuntouristEven while I was there full-time, I got things done by ignoring rules rather than trying to change them.14:21
lelkneralfarooften a very effective approach...14:21
ubuntouristI had hoped to stick my head in and nudge Chip on Friday, but then was in no shape to do so.14:22
ubuntouristI see you're seeking greener pastures as well. Wise, I think.14:22
lelkneralfaromaybe grad school. monetarily speaking not sure how much greener they will be. 14:23
ubuntourist(On the other hand, I'm loathe the idea of tax penalties from DC.gov.14:23
ubuntouristBeen there, done that.)14:23
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, lol. I'll leave clear instructions for whomever takes over14:24
ubuntouristAny thoughts as to where you'd like to do grad school and what specifically?14:24
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, avoiding the penalties is not too difficult, just takes a bit of care14:24
lelkneralfaropolitical science or philosophy perhaps14:24
lelkneralfarowhere, not sure yet, I'll start investigating soon14:25
ubuntouristSo, it will be Polly-Elkner and PoliSci-Elkner-Alfaro. ;-) 14:26
lelkneralfarohaha, we will be unbearable to be around14:27
ubuntouristWithout any research, 't'would seem that this is the city to stay in for poli-sci. (I always hear great things about American U. for international relations and some domestic political stuff.)14:27
lelkneralfaroyes I'll certainly be looking into their programs. staying here has many benefits for me14:29
ubuntouristAs for Philosophy -- "What? You say you LIKE being broke??? Have I got the co-op for you!!!" ;-)14:29
ubuntouristMeanwhile... for me... I guess I'm going to change the Scope of Work documents, replacing your name with your closest ancestor's, and stop waiting for Dragana to weigh in from Europe.14:31
ubuntouristIt may mean that when the 170 hours run out, the promised 190 to follow will evaporate, but I don't think I can sit on it much longer.14:32
lelkneralfarosounds like a plan. thanks for the update. 14:33
lelkneralfaroany idea what to put for that Bison ID field on the form?14:33
ubuntouristUm. I haven't looked at it. I've filled one out before, but I was largely resisting this one, as I'm SO trying to avoid getting sucked in as the primary contact on this.14:34
ubuntouristI want to make it clear to Chip and Senda that REPLACAFILL should be the primary contact... That said, I should probably go through the nonsense.14:35
ubuntourist(Funny, I don't have to do any of that bullshit for Dragana's stuff. It's only when I deal with Chip...)14:36
lelkneralfarounderstood. we will continue to reiterate that you are not the primary contact. but we do want your help with some of the initial set up14:37
ubuntouristI guess it's the fact that for Dragana's stuff. I'm not working on a publicly-accessible server... Or Chip is just more anal.14:37
lelkneralfarocould be... well ubuntourist, nice to chat with you, I'm going to return to organizing files :D14:39
ubuntouristOK.14:40
ubuntouristI'll look into the "Bison ID" thing.14:40
lelkneralfarocool thanks.14:41
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jelknerso good to see you, ubuntourist 15:17
ubuntouristHail,15:18
ubuntourist(cough, cough)15:18
ubuntouristjelkner, you pinged? (I sent an e-mail reply a few minutes ago.)15:21
jelkneron the phone ubuntourist 15:21
ubuntouristOK. Switching screens. Will try to check back soon.15:21
jelknerubuntourist, i'm back15:34
jelkneri was on the phone with the credit union15:34
ubuntouristjelkner, Ah.15:34
jelknertrying to find $5K to tied us over til Gallaudet comes through15:34
jelknerwe have a contract that looked good15:35
jelknerbut they don't seem to be honoring it15:35
jelkneri don't understand well enough how this works15:35
jelknerwhoever signed it apparently didn't have authorization for the funds15:35
jelkneri was hoping that with your 30+ years there, you could help guide me15:36
jelknerthey have always paid in the past15:36
ubuntouristNaturally. And they count on both our good will and our lack of resources to fight such stuff.15:36
ubuntouristI'm not sure what I can do.15:36
jelknerso your email summarized perfectly well our situation15:37
jelknerhere is what you can do15:37
jelkneryou know the people who want this report15:37
jelknerreplaceafill, was arguing we should walk away from this15:37
jelknerbut if we do, we are basically out of business15:37
jelknersince we were banking on that to keep us afloat for sept / oct15:38
jelkneri got disappointing news from the credit union15:38
jelknerfirst, good news15:38
jelkneri told them we had about $30 in revenue last year15:38
jelkneris that true?15:38
jelkneri never even looked at the taxes15:38
jelknerbut almost all of it would be from Gallaudet15:39
jelknerthe good news is a business line of credit is typically 1/5 of revenue15:39
jelknerso if it was $30K15:39
jelknerwe could get $6K as a line of credit15:39
ubuntourist??? I have no idea (though I am assuming you mean 30K not 30).15:40
jelkner30K15:40
jelkneryes15:40
ubuntouristOh. Sorry. Slow typing. you've corrected.15:40
jelkneranyway, the credit union *just* started doing business accounts like ours15:41
jelknerthe bad news is they don't have a way to approve them yet without a heavy cost15:41
jelknerwe could get $6K LOC15:41
jelknerbut it would cost us $1.5K for the application15:41
ubuntouristLOC?15:41
jelknerline of credit15:41
jelknera revolving credit line that can be used whenever you need it15:42
jelknertypically used by businesses to cover gaps between contracts and payments15:42
jelknerprecisely what we have now15:42
ubuntouristYou're talking with someone who's never gotten a loan, mortgage, etc. and uses a debit card. No credit card. Banking terms are a complete mystery to me.15:42
jelknerthe woman with whom i spoke was brought on precisely to setup loans like the ones we want15:42
jelknerbut they are there yet15:43
jelknerso we would need to go elsewhere15:43
jelkneri will look into that15:43
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ubuntouristI could throw money at the problem once again.15:43
jelknerfine, ubuntourist, i'm not asking you about any of that15:43
jelknerbefore we go there15:43
jelknerwhat i really want your help with is figuring who to talk with at Gallaudet who will be feeling the pain on this report15:44
jelknersince we want to do it15:44
jelknerbut we want to honor our contract15:44
jelknerwhich says $5K up front15:44
jelkneryou were telling me about 10/1 being fiscal new year15:45
jelknerif they need to wait til 10/115:45
jelknerwe could talk about that15:45
ubuntouristSo... organizational chart will probably be the best bet.15:45
jelkner+115:45
jelknerlelkneralfaro is putting together what he knows for me to read this saturday15:46
jelknerand then i'll meet with him on monday with my questions15:46
ubuntouristI know that when I was there full-time, the last two years, the #2 guy at Gallaudet treated the book-editors to lunch. He's gone. But he was the (now gone) president's Chief of Staff I think.15:46
ubuntouristBefore that, I never met with anyone above Chip.15:47
jelknerahh15:47
jelknerlelkneralfaro, are you here?15:47
jelkneris chip the person lelkneralfaro has been communicating with?15:47
ubuntouristTo the best of my knowledge, it's been Chip and Senda (who is under Chip)15:49
ubuntouristhttps://www.gallaudet.edu/academic-catalog/university-community/university-organization15:49
jelknerwho is charles reilly?15:49
jelknerhis name is on the contract15:49
ubuntouristChip15:49
jelknerahh15:50
jelknerso chip is the one i need to talk to15:50
jelknerwe have a contract with gallaudet signed by him15:50
ubuntouristEveryone called him Chip Reilly for years then at age 55 he decided it sounded too unprofessional and started using Charles professionally. (And I think, always used it in documents.)15:51
jelknercool15:51
jelknerthat's a big help15:51
jelknerso chip signed a contract saying we get $5K to start15:51
jelknerwe still need access15:51
jelknerwhich you mentioned is in process15:51
jelknerso we need:15:51
ubuntouristHe will likely defer to Carol Erting (provost)15:52
jelknerso my thinking is this, ubuntourist, since you and i both know institutions like this can be hard to navigate15:52
jelkneri want to deal with one person who is going to feel the heat if this doesn't get done15:53
jelknerwho has the power they need to get it done15:53
jelknerchip can go to whomever he wants15:53
jelknerbut we have a relationship with him15:53
jelknerso that isn't our concern15:53
jelknerwe just need a check15:53
jelknerso start working15:53
jelknersimple as that15:53
jelknerreplaceafill is concerned that if we don't start soon it will be even more stressful15:54
replaceafill+115:54
jelknerthat's why i wanted you in the conversation too15:54
jelknersince you have years of experience with this15:54
ubuntouristThe book is a group project. I believe Chip will be the one to take the heat on the research chapter not happening. The question is: Does he have the power?15:55
ubuntouristIn the past, he's just been squeezed by those above him, and has no ability to squeeze back.15:55
jelknerubuntourist, could you set up a meeting with you, him, and me?15:56
jelkneri can ask him questions directly15:56
jelknerand we can figure out what to do15:56
jelkneri'm still learning how this works15:57
ubuntouristYour availability? Try for a 4:00 PM meeting someday soon?15:57
jelkner+115:57
jelknerhold on...15:57
jelkneryou're still recovering15:58
jelkneror thursday would work15:58
jelknertomorrow too15:58
jelknerbut that's too soon15:58
jelkneralso next wed or thu15:58
jelkneryou go in friday if you're better, yes, ubuntourist?15:59
ubuntouristCorrect. I15:59
ubuntouristI've been on a Monday afternoon and Friday afternoon schedule.15:59
jelknercould you ask chip if we could meet with him 9/26 or 9/27 at 4 pm?15:59
jelknerand let me know friday16:00
lelkneralfarojelkner, I'm here now, just read the log16:00
jelknercool, lelkneralfaro 16:01
ubuntouristI *think* I'm coughing a bit less today, but man this has been nasty!  (And Jen is afraid she's been exposed to too many sick people this week to avoid it herself much longer.)16:01
lelkneralfarojelkner, I've never (or maybe once) communicated with Chio16:01
jelknerso it's tuesday, ubuntourist 16:01
lelkneralfarojelkner, *Chip16:01
lelkneralfarojelkner, Senda is the person I have been in contact wit16:01
jelkneri understand, lelkneralfaro 16:02
jelknerbut chip is the person whose name appears on the contract16:02
jelknerand ubuntourist worked directly with him16:02
jelknerso we know him16:02
jelkneri want to talk to him16:02
lelkneralfarojelkner, yeah I'm just answering the question you asked 10 minutes ago16:02
lelkneralfarojelkner, yeah he's the person to talk to16:02
jelknercool16:02
lelkneralfarojelkner, he's who I intended to go in and try to speak with16:02
jelknerso, ubuntourist, would you be so kind as to ask chip if i can come to gallaudet 9/26 or 9/27 and meet with him about this project?16:03
jelknerwith you there, please16:03
ubuntourist(Worked with both Chip and Senda. Senda did the "grunt work" of running around campus and badgering people to submit reports, and did a lot of the editing albeit as a non-native English user, of those abstracts.)16:03
jelknerwould that work?16:03
ubuntouristOK.16:03
jelknersweet16:03
jelknerlet's hand tight til then16:04
jelknerok, i think i'll head home16:05
jelknerkeep feeling better, ubuntourist 16:05
jelkneroh, i mentioned i can't come to gallaudet this sunday16:05
jelknerdo to a prior commitment16:05
jelknerbut i will do all i can to leave sundays open from 10/30 on16:06
jelknerubuntourist, both zOnny and replaceafill have been expressing the need for weekly meetings to check in with each other16:06
jelknerso we want to start meeting again at 11 am on sundays like we did last year16:07
ubuntouristOK.16:07
jelknerby 11/30 we can make sure we have what we need from gallaudet16:07
jelkneroops!16:07
jelkner9/3016:07
jelknerlol16:07
jelkneri'm getting my months all confused16:08
jelknersorry about that16:08
jelkneri mean the sunday after this coming one16:08
jelkner9/3016:08
jelknerwith any luck16:08
jelkner(and we sure do need some luck)16:08
jelknerGallaudet will be able to access the funds on 10/116:08
jelknera day later16:08
jelknerand we can start work16:08
lelkneralfarojelkner, quick question16:10
jelknerlelkneralfaro, i started setting up open collective16:10
jelknershoot, lelkneralfaro 16:10
lelkneralfarojelkner, when you said earlier that I am putting together what I know16:10
lelkneralfarojelkner, on Monday, do you mean for Gallaudet?16:10
jelknerthat's what you told me16:10
jelkneri'm not sure16:10
lelkneralfarojelkner, if so, I've sent you most of what I know16:10
jelknercool16:10
jelknerthen that's done16:11
jelknerlelkneralfaro, we need our taxes16:11
lelkneralfarojelkner, on other projects there is other stuff, but on Gallaudet I sent you the juicy stuff16:11
jelknercan you please bug your brother for that16:11
lelkneralfarojelkner, yeah I'll try him again16:11
jelknercool16:11
lelkneralfarojelkner, ACC asked for it?16:11
jelknerwe want digital copies online16:11
lelkneralfarojelkner, sorry ACU? not ACC16:11
jelknerabsolutely16:12
lelkneralfarojelkner, yeah I'll ask him again16:12
jelknera business LOC is typically extended at 1/5 annual income16:12
jelkneri figured ubuntourist took in $30K last year16:12
jelknerif so, we would qualify for $6K LOC16:12
jelknerACFCU can't do that yet16:13
jelknerbut other lending institutions could16:13
jelkneri need to investigate ASAP16:13
jelknerbut i need the tax returns16:13
jelknerokie dokie, let me head home16:14
jelknerunless anyone else needs me for something before i leave16:14
jelkneractually replaceafill, isaac is here now16:15
jelknernever mind16:15
lelkneralfarojelkner, cool, nope16:15
jelknernever mind the never mind16:15
replaceafilljelkner, :D16:15
jelknerwe need to get isaac a number16:15
replaceafilljelkner, for the examing app?16:16
jelkneryes16:16
jelknerwhat would NOVA Web ask for that?16:16
replaceafilljelkner, no idea at the moment, but i'll work on that16:16
jelkner+116:16
jelkneri know that takes time away from Libre Organize16:17
replaceafilljelkner, it's just the typical how much time you spend on proposals case16:17
jelkneryes, and we need to learn to do that16:17
replaceafilljelkner, we said we're discussing that on saturday. do you want to do it tomorrow instead?16:18
replaceafilljelkner, that is discuss the exam proposal16:18
jelknerdo you have questions you need to ask isaac?16:18
jelknerthat's my main concern16:18
jelknerthat you have what you need to proceed16:19
replaceafilljelkner, not at the moment, but i can have many by tomorrow16:19
jelknercool16:19
jelknerlet's try for tomorrow16:19
replaceafilljelkner, cool16:19
replaceafilljelkner, time?16:19
jelknersince we will need whatever back and forth is needed to arrive at a common understanding of this16:19
replaceafilljelkner, or do this async by email direct to isaac16:19
replaceafilljelkner, +116:19
jelknerboth, replaceafill 16:20
replaceafilljelkner, cool i'll move to that once i have this new event form done16:20
jelknerlet's look for each other tomorrow and decide what makes the most sense16:20
replaceafilljelkner, cool16:20
jelknerok, my friends, i'm heading home16:20
replaceafilllater jelkner o/16:20
jelknergreat chatting with y'all16:20
jelknerACTION signs off for the day16:21
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lelkneralfarozOnny, ping16:42
zOnnylelkneralfaro: pong16:42
lelkneralfarozOnny, Joseph seems to be saying that he will stop by the ACC tomorrow to sign the contract. will you be there and could you meet with him?16:43
lelkneralfarozOnny, perhaps he wants a hard copy, I'm not sure, you would have to talk to him if you meet16:44
zOnnylelkneralfaro: shoot16:44
zOnnylelkneralfaro: sounds good 16:45
lelkneralfarozOnny, does jelkner's room have a printer you can use?16:45
lelkneralfarozOnny, in case he does want a hard copy16:45
zOnnylelkneralfaro: I guess16:45
lelkneralfarozOnny, cool. alright I just wanted to check in with you on that.16:46
zOnnylelkneralfaro: cool16:46
zOnnylelkneralfaro: thanks for the update16:46
lelkneralfarozOnny, no problem.16:46
lelkneralfarozOnny, how did the essay go?16:46
lelkneralfarozOnny, what are you reading?16:46
zOnnylelkneralfaro: I have three book to read and write at least five pages16:47
lelkneralfarozOnny, what books are you reading?16:48
zOnnylelkneralfaro: plus you dad's book four16:48
zOnnylelkneralfaro: you dad just gave us to read Algorithms to live By16:48
lelkneralfarozOnny, looks interesting. 16:49
lelkneralfarozOnny, and the books for English? I'm just curious16:49
zOnnylelkneralfaro: Are American's life usually like this?16:50
lelkneralfarozOnny, lol yes, my life has been like that since Senior year of high school16:50
lelkneralfarozOnny, and the reason it wasn't like that before was because I was skipping school16:50
zOnnylelkneralfaro: good for you man16:51
lelkneralfarozOnny, it's okay, too much work really though. that's why Americans aren't fun people to hang out with16:52
zOnnylelkneralfaro: I see16:52
zOnnylelkneralfaro: as a said before, this is not normal16:52
zOnny*I16:52
lelkneralfarozOnny, yeah it takes some time to get used to16:53
lelkneralfarozOnny, I think it's important to have good friends and relationships, or else all the work will make you crazy16:54
lelkneralfarozOnny, but if you want a good job, the work is necessary16:54
zOnnylelkneralfaro: will? 16:54
lelkneralfarozOnny, lol, well I guess it's already making you crazy16:54
lelkneralfarozOnny, you can always try to marry someone rich... I still am holding out hope for that16:55
zOnnylelkneralfaro: +116:55
lelkneralfarozOnny, then you'll find me relaxing on the beach, eating good food and going to concerts.16:56
zOnnylelkneralfaro: lol, that is good plan.16:56
lelkneralfarozOnny, if you marry someone rich I'll invite you too :D16:57
lelkneralfarozOnny, lol you never answered the question about what books you are reading for English16:57
zOnnylelkneralfaro: ah16:58
zOnnylelkneralfaro: ONe is title 5o essays by Samuel Cohen16:59
zOnnylelkneralfaro: the other is  Freedom by Jonathan Franzen17:01
zOnnylelkneralfaro: the ohter one I don't remember well 17:02
lelkneralfarozOnny, are you enjoying them at all?17:03
zOnnylelkneralfaro: but it is from Gabriel Garcia somethin 17:03
lelkneralfarozOnny, Gabriel Garcia Marquez? he is from Columbia. Love in the time of cholera, or 100 years of solitude?17:04
zOnnylelkneralfaro: yeah that one 17:04
lelkneralfarozOnny, he is one of my favorites17:04
zOnnylelkneralfaro: That is why we are not best friends :D17:04
lelkneralfarozOnny, haha :D17:05
lelkneralfarozOnny, yes I was not a great student in my dad's computer science class17:05
lelkneralfarozOnny, I liked to think about other things17:06
zOnnylelkneralfaro: +117:06
lelkneralfarozOnny, alright I'll let you get back to work...17:07
zOnnylelkneralfaro: ok17:07
zOnnylelkneralfaro: ttyl my friend17:07
lelkneralfarozOnny, ttyl17:08
mr_germanreplaceafill, i understand the views and urls now17:48
mr_german:D17:48
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