IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2018-09-30

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Big_BrotherDiscuss viability of Open Collective and Stripe for financial management 09:58
Big_BrotherAre GitLab pages usable by mere mortals, or should I be directing students to GitHub pages? 09:58
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Big_BrotherDiscuss viability of Open Collective and Stripe for financial management 10:09
Big_BrotherAre GitLab pages usable by mere mortals, or should I be directing students to GitHub pages? 10:09
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jelknerGood morning, replaceafill!10:13
replaceafilljelkner, good morning10:13
jelknerzOnny, mjsir911, ubuntourist and i are all here at gallaudet10:13
zOnnygood morning jelkner 10:14
jelknerzOnny, we already said good morning in the car10:14
zOnnyjelkner: right :D10:15
zOnnymjsir911: this is what I have done with gitlab pages
zOnnymjsir911: this is still in progress not done yet :(10:17
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mjsir911replaceafill: I think i've already asked this but I cant find it in the logs, which schooltool version is currently in use? aka which one should I focus on containerizing?10:23
replaceafillmjsir911, i think it's 2.8
replaceafillmjsir911, but you should confirm that with Glenda10:24
mjsir911Alright, thanks10:24
replaceafillmjsir911, "Software Install"10:25
mjsir911Thank you, that's what I need10:28
Big_BrotherDiscuss viability of Open Collective and Stripe for financial management 10:33
Big_BrotherAre GitLab pages usable by mere mortals, or should I be directing students to GitHub pages? 10:33
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ubuntourist!remind ARA progress report? Douglas if available? with supporting comments from me (Ubuntourist)?10:43
Big_Brother"ARA progress report? Douglas if available? with supporting comments from me (Ubuntourist)?" added to message queue10:43
Big_BrotherDiscuss viability of Open Collective and Stripe for financial management11:00
Big_BrotherAre GitLab pages usable by mere mortals, or should I be directing students to GitHub pages?11:00
Big_BrotherARA progress report? Douglas if available? with supporting comments from me (Ubuntourist)?11:00
ubuntouristSsssshowtime !!11:00
jelknergood morning all11:00
jelkneri guess i'll chair this meeting11:00
replaceafillgood morning11:00
jelknersince we didn' talk about it11:00
ubuntouristI'll bed this meeting.11:00
jelknerbut we should rotate the chair11:00
jelknerreplaceafill needs to get to santa ana11:00
jelknerso let's move it11:00
jelknerlast item first11:00
jelknerreplaceafill and ubuntourist 11:01
jelknerreplaceafill and ubuntourist?11:01
ubuntouristreplaceafill, you go and I'll fill in if needed.11:01
replaceafillok, we had a good meeting with Senda on Friday11:01
replaceafilli've been having trouble understanding how they use the applications we support11:02
replaceafillnot the technology part, but the user point of view11:02
jelknerthat's going to be lelkneralfaro's task, yes?11:02
jelknerwith help from ubuntourist, but primarily him11:02
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replaceafillyeah, but i guess it's also hard to redirect these kind of explanations11:03
ubuntourist(The gods of bandwidth smiled on us, and so, replaceafill was able to see through Senda's eyes as she worked through some of the issues.)11:03
replaceafilland to me it seems they really don't understand how the two systems interact with each other11:04
jelknerso, obviously, this is by far our most urgent task11:04
replaceafilllike how marking something in one system affects the other11:04
jelkneri am assuming lelkneralfaro is scheduling himself to come on campus to work with them?11:04
jelkneri don't need the details11:04
replaceafillbut after Friday i feel more confident on use being able to support them11:04
jelknersince i can't help with those11:05
jelknerbut i want to help keep focus on the process11:05
ubuntouristreplaceafill, I concur: *I* don't know how the two systems interact, having seen CLIPPR (Drupal) for the first time Friday when Senda demo'd for you.11:05
jelkneran email to brian is in order?11:05
replaceafilljelkner, that's the funny part, i think i understand them "well enough"11:05
replaceafilljelkner, again, this is a people problem for me11:06
jelknerso, since we have a 30 minute "stand up" meeting11:06
jelknerlet's not get into the weeds11:06
replaceafillwe're in a good shape, that's it11:06
jelknerjust a who needs to do what this week11:06
replaceafillGallaudet is my #1 priority11:06
ubuntouristYeah, Senda was under the impression it was multiple databases -- one for Drupal, one for Django, but I could see it wasn't.11:06
replaceafillso i'll be waiting to hear from them11:07
replaceafillthanks a lot for your support ubuntourist11:07
jelknerwe couldn't have done this without him11:07
jelknerok, next item?11:07
jelknercontinuing backwards, zOnny already told me he would write up gitlab pages instructions11:08
jelknerso, next item11:08
jelknerreplaceafill, now that we have two novalaciro organizers11:08
jelknerwe need to figure out email for them11:08
jelknerand i want to better use Libre Organize11:09
replaceafilljelkner, i never heard back about creating an inbox for heylin11:09
jelknerour long term goal11:09
jelknercan you and i schedule time this week for that?11:09
replaceafilljelkner, sure11:09
replaceafilljelkner, not monday if possible11:09
replaceafilljelkner, since monday's are surprising11:09
replaceafilljelkner, +111:10
jelkneraround 5 pm?11:10
replaceafilljelkner, how do you want to use Libre Organzies "better" with them?11:10
replaceafilljelkner, sure11:10
jelknercool, i'll put that on my calendar11:10
jelknerok, next item11:10
jelknerreplaceafill, the viability of open collective and stripe could go on our tuesday meeting too11:11
jelknerit would be great if lelkneralfaro could join us for that11:12
replaceafilljelkner, yes11:12
jelknerwe need a way for folks do donate to us11:12
jelknerthat's the bottom line11:12
jelkneranyway, i'll add that to the tuesday agenda11:12
jelknerrelated to that is the other item11:13
jelkneri plan to go to educon11:13
jelknerand as soon as we figure out crowd funding11:13
jelkneri'll start hitting the road11:13
jelknermaking the circuit11:14
jelknerbut i can't do that until we can ask for funds and get them11:14
jelknerso that problem is really important11:14
jelknerif we get either (or both) of the liberia gigs11:14
jelknerwe will be set for a long time11:14
jelknerbut we still want to keep developing libre organize11:14
jelknerso the problem needs to be solved11:15
jelknerthat's all i have to say on all of that11:15
jelkneranyone else have anything?11:15
replaceafillmakes sense11:15
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ubuntouristWell. That was special. (I didn't know I was gone.)11:16
jelkneri'm going to encourage others beside ubuntourist and me to post agenda items11:16
replaceafillmr_german, could you give a report of where you are with your tasks?11:16
replaceafillmr_german, i haven't heard from you since we last met11:16
jelknerand the advantage of not having lelkneralfaro here is that is forces us to do what we should do anyway11:16
jelknerteach everyone to chair these meetings11:16
jelknerto me the goal is to move them *fast*11:16
jelknerso that we finish in 30 minutes or less11:16
mr_germanreplaceafill, taks?11:17
jelknerand no one is bored11:17
jelknerand we get the essential "heartbeat" check-in we need to keep moving11:17
replaceafillmr_german, you have some issues assigned, right?11:17
mr_germanreplaceafill, well, i have some issues missing11:17
mr_germanreplaceafill, yes11:17
mr_germanreplaceafill, need to work with them11:17
replaceafillmr_german, ok11:18
replaceafillmr_german, let me know if you get stuck11:18
replaceafilljelkner, i'm afraid we're wasting mr_german's time11:18
replaceafilljelkner, i mean, mr_german availability11:18
jelknerwhat do you mean?11:18
replaceafilljelkner, we can talk about that tuesday too11:18
jelkneri don't know what you mean11:19
jelknerso i'll send an email with my two items11:19
zOnnyreplaceafill: I have some tasks pending as well11:19
jelknerand you can reply with yours11:19
replaceafilljelkner, sure11:19
jelkneri just asked zOnny if he would chair the meeting next week11:19
replaceafillzOnny, i know, but you're working on some other projects, right?11:19
zOnnyjelkner: sure11:19
jelknerok, if there is nothing else11:20
jelknerwe can end 10 minutes early?11:20
replaceafillACTION done11:20
zOnnyreplaceafill: I have almost done with the other customer already11:20
ubuntouristI hope to explore SOLID.11:20
ubuntouristNothing more there.11:21
ubuntourist(I mean nothing more to say.)11:21
jelknerACTION drops the bag of gravel11:21
mjsir911nothing from me, on the topic of SOLID, ive been exploring ipfs11:21
jelknernrcerna, are you here?11:21
nrcerna Yes, I'm here jelkner11:22
jelknernrcerna, did you get my email?11:22
nrcernaYes I got it jelkner11:22
jelknerany questions?11:22
nrcernaI think all was clear , thanks jelkner11:23
ubuntourist(IPFS = Inter-Planetary File System, along with SOLID and Linked Data Platform -- LDP in Django. All 3 vaguely related.)11:23
jelknerbtw. everyone, we should hear news from isaac this week11:23
replaceafilljelkner, i hope we get the mobile app one :)11:26
replaceafilloh btw11:26
replaceafillsome recommended readings, i think mandatory for zOnny and mr_german:11:26
replaceafillzOnny, mr_german if we get the mobile app gig, understanding front end will be crucial11:28
zOnnyreplaceafill: I see11:28
mr_germanreplaceafill, mm11:29
replaceafillmr_german, this is what we discussed a couple of months ago:
replaceafillmr_german, i finally realized that pattern has a name: iife11:30
replaceafillubuntourist, quick question11:31
replaceafillubuntourist, do you know Susan Larrison from Gallaudet?11:32
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Nay.11:32
replaceafillubuntourist, ah ok11:32
replaceafillzOnny, mr_german another one for you:
replaceafilla bit verbose but some good advice there11:34
ubuntouristBy the way, Charles "Chip" Reilly sent me this on LinkedIn --
replaceafillmr_german, the "10) Don't learn from videos" reminded me of you :)11:35
zOnnyreplaceafill: 10 ? uhmmm11:35
ubuntouristAnd I replied I'd been using microdata already (see
ubuntouristI used microdata before becoming a NOVA Web Development consultant.  See:11:36
ubuntouristand feed it a page I did. For example:         
zOnnyubuntourist: this is cool11:37
ubuntouristAny opinions on whether or not we should be investing time in adding microdata to our pages?11:37
replaceafillubuntourist, i noticed them but wasn't sure what they were about11:38
replaceafillubuntourist, i mean, the attributes11:39
replaceafillubuntourist, i thought they were to be parsed by "something"11:39
replaceafillthey were there*11:39
mr_germanreplaceafill, :(11:40
replaceafillmr_german, it's just a valid opinion, you should read it (and understand their point)11:40
zOnnyubuntourist: : I just tested our site :(11:42
replaceafillok, time to go for me11:42
replaceafillttyl everybody o/11:42
replaceafilli'll be checking email during the day btw in case you need anything from me11:43
ubuntouristreplaceafill, I don't know what parses it. In spite of Google being more evil every day, they still do a lot of innovative stuff that is open and gets used. The page that Chip linked to, plus
ubuntourist(Backed by the very corporate / commercial gang. See
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ubuntouristwhich leads to which leads back to the Django LDP thing from earlier today... I *think*.  Not sure.11:47
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jelknertop of the day to you, lelkneralfaro 12:02
lelkneralfarojelkner, good afternoon12:02
lelkneralfarojelkner, couldn't make it earlier but I saw on the agenda that you said you wanted to discuss the viability of open collective12:03
jelknercan you meet with replaceafill and me at 5 pm on tuesday, lelkneralfaro?12:03
jelknerlook at the log12:03
lelkneralfarojelkner, yes, about what12:03
jelknerlook at the log12:03
jelknerit's short12:03
lelkneralfarojelkner, I've read it, I don't see anything about open collective12:04
jelkneri said to replaceafill we would discuss that and ask you to join us12:04
lelkneralfarojelkner, i see you are talking about LibreOrganize12:04
jelknerthat too12:04
lelkneralfarojelkner, not Open Collective12:04
lelkneralfarojelkner, oh I see that line now12:05
lelkneralfarojelkner, okay yeah Tuesday at 5:00 PM Works12:05
jelkneri just talked to mjsir911 12:05
jelknerto see if he could look too12:05
jelknerto try to understand it12:05
jelknersince i basically am a customer who wants to donate12:05
jelkneri'm just waiting for someone to tell me how12:05
lelkneralfarojelkner, I'll have that ready for you soon12:06
lelkneralfarojelkner, I think it should work. there are some problems with support and ease of use12:06
lelkneralfarojelkner, but I think it should work12:06
jelknerease of use is crucial12:06
jelknersince if i am going to ask others to donate12:06
jelknerthey need to be able to without frustration12:06
lelkneralfarojelkner, as a donor I don't think it will be difficult12:06
jelknermy hope was the pain would be on our side12:06
jelknerand that once we set it up12:07
lelkneralfarojelkner, as an admin I've had some issues12:07
jelknerit would be dead simple for others12:07
lelkneralfarojelkner, +112:07
jelknerbtw. see my email about the deposits yesterday?12:07
lelkneralfarojelkner, okay I just wanted to weigh in on that. Tuesday at 5:00 works12:07
lelkneralfarojelkner, yeah12:07
jelkneri called mark12:07
lelkneralfarojelkner, I saw the email12:07
jelkneri may have to keep bugging him12:07
jelknerbut the $300 is enought to pay you and zOnny 12:08
jelknerso when the $400 comes in, it will be a jump on october12:08
lelkneralfarojelkner, +112:08
lelkneralfarojelkner, and we have $1890 coming in from Gallaudet soon. we put the first invoice in12:08
ubuntouristlelkneralfaro, Got an invoice for you for Christian. Coming your way in a minute (and also will post to Google Drive.) End of Fiscal Year affects him too.12:08
jelknerwe will need that12:08
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, cool I'll send that in tomorrow12:09
jelknerok, back to work for me12:09
jelknerneed anything else from me before i go, lelkneralfaro?12:09
lelkneralfarojelkner, cool thanks everyone. I'm signing off again12:09
lelkneralfarojelkner, nope12:09
lelkneralfarosee ya12:10
jelknerlater hijo12:10
jelkner\me signs off so he can learn postgres12:10
jelknerACTION signs off so he can learn postgres12:10
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