IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2018-12-09

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jelknerGood morning, nrcerna, zOnny, replaceafill, mjsir911, mr_german!10:24
jelknernrcerna, it's especially nice to see you, since it's been awhile10:25
jelkner!remind10:25
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jelkner!remind 'Introduce Diego and discuss his available time / role10:26
Big_BrotherInvalid arguments: No closing quotation.10:26
jelkner!remind 'Introduce Diego and discuss his available time / role'10:26
Big_Brother"Introduce Diego and discuss his available time / role" added to message queue10:26
nrcernaGood Morning! I know jelkner, I'm really happy to be here too10:26
jelkner!remind 'Ask zOnny about MD Latino Caucus and help him plan to handle it.'10:26
Big_Brother"Ask zOnny about MD Latino Caucus and help him plan to handle it." added to message queue10:26
jelkner!remind 'Planning for AEA - should we wait for Tendenci 11?'10:27
Big_Brother"Planning for AEA - should we wait for Tendenci 11?" added to message queue10:27
jelknerhow are things going, nrcerna?10:28
nrcernaWell, I think for now I'm just fine. I had too many things to solve 10:29
nrcernajelkner: 10:29
nrcernaMaybe we can get a chance to talk about it jelkner 10:30
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jelkneryes indeed10:30
nrcernaNice 10:30
jelkneri don't know if you heard, but my plan is to fly from houston to el salvador and spend the summer there starting around july 610:30
jelknerour nea convention is in houston this year10:31
jelknerhalf way to san salvador ;-)10:31
nrcernaHey, That's Great! 10:31
jelkneri want to return with you and mr_german to the mirco brew place10:31
nrcernaI think I can stay in San Salvador a Few days to join you, with mr_german and replaceafill 10:32
jelknerthat would be awesome10:32
nrcernaYes, we have to jelkner 10:32
zOnnygood morning mr_german 10:34
mr_german1+10:34
mr_germangood morning zOnny 10:34
zOnnymr_german: are you will be around after the meeting ?10:35
mr_germanyes10:37
zOnnymr_german: cool10:38
zOnnymr_german: Do you know who can purchase a Domain under NovawebDev account ?10:39
mr_germanno10:40
zOnnymr_german: ok10:40
jelkner!remind 'ORA meeting sign-up and the general question of what features to we want our testers to use?'10:44
Big_Brother"ORA meeting sign-up and the general question of what features to we want our testers to use?" added to message queue10:44
Big_BrotherIntroduce Diego and discuss his available time / role (jelkner)11:00
mjsir911Good morning everybody, Big brother seems to be drifting a bit (I'll investigate after the meeting)11:00
mjsir911We will start with introducing Diego_11:01
replaceafillgood morning everybody11:01
Diego_Good Morning11:01
Diego_Hello everyone, I worked with NOVALACIRO over the summer and have been around on this IRC channel. 11:03
Diego_It's good to be here and working with NovaWebDev11:03
replaceafillwelcome back Diego_11:03
jelknerDiego_, can you tell us a bit about what you need from us?11:03
jelkneri know both replaceafill and mjsir911 are looking for payment11:03
mjsir911Diego_: if you have not registered with nickserv, I suggest doing that later (instructions here: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration)11:04
ubuntourist(Welcome. BTW Diego_ is now completely registered with an @novawebdevelopment.org address.)11:04
Diego_mjsir911: will do11:04
mjsir911thank you ubuntourist11:05
jelknerand in the interest of keeping this stand up meeting going, perhaps mjsir911 and replaceafill can follow up with Diego_ after the meeting11:05
replaceafill+111:05
zOnnyDiego_: will be great if you provide us a profile picture as well11:05
Diego_For now, I just need to figure out how to use this intuit software to pay people, not sure what I need from anyone else yet11:06
mjsir911Okay, next item, jelkner & zOnny, planning MD Latino Caucus?11:06
jelknercool, i'll jump in here11:07
jelknerreplaceafill, mr_german we need your advice11:07
jelknerzOnny has been working hard on the new website11:07
jelknerit looks really nice11:07
jelknerbut they are paying us peanuts11:07
jelknerand they keep asking for more things11:07
jelkneri told him i would call jason tomorrow or tuesday11:08
jelknerhere is the trade off:11:08
jelkner1. we still need to keep building our resume, and this is the kind of group we want to support11:08
jelkner2. zOnny needs to pay his bills, and this isn't helping11:08
jelknerso i'll have to call them and figure out what is going on11:09
zOnnyjelkner: is not only this, the only concern I have is my time11:09
jelkneri understand11:09
jelknerin the future, if we are to be successful, we will need a full time business manager11:10
jelknerso Diego_ as you know, we can't afford that now11:10
zOnnyjelkner: I cannot be fully involve with our work if I don't have time to work on it11:10
jelknerbut we need to figure out how to make best use of your limited time11:10
jelkneri'll report back on this next week11:11
jelknerlet's move on11:11
mr_germani can help with that zOnny 11:11
zOnnymr_german: sure11:11
jelknerthanks, mr_german!11:11
zOnnymr_german: I will share with you the docs 11:12
mr_german1+ cool11:12
mjsir911Okay, next item: planning for aea: wait until tendenci 11: jelkner 11:12
jelknerthis is really mr_german with help from replaceafill and zOnny 11:12
jelknerwe have a catch-2211:12
jelknerwe need our testing customers to use our product11:12
jelkneror we can't test it properly11:13
jelknerbut we are in this tendenci 7 vs 11 thing11:13
jelknerand don't want to waste time making changes to tendenci 711:13
jelknersince we have such limited resources, we need to use them wisely11:13
ubuntouristjelkner, split the difference and go with 9? ;-)11:13
replaceafill:D11:14
jelkneri'll do whatever y'all tell me, ubuntourist 11:14
jelknerbut i need to know what to tell our users11:14
jelkneranything from, sorry folks, we can't really support you for awhile11:15
jelknerto let's move ahead with these core features11:15
jelkneri need to get in sync with you devs on this11:15
jelknerwe don't want disappointed / angry customers11:15
jelknerora is a case in point11:15
jelkneremail sent this morning about sign-up for tomorrow11:15
jelknerperhaps we can't handle sign-up11:15
jelknerand we should tell them just to use meetup.com11:16
jelknernot good for our promotion11:16
jelknerbut better than telling them we have something we don't11:16
jelknerthat's the issue11:16
ubuntouristThis is where I wish I had more time: Without knowing anything about Tendenci really, my completely uninformed opinion is to say "This one goes to 11"11:16
jelknerwe can talk more after the meeting11:16
ubuntourist(Spinal Tap reference)11:17
jelknerreplaceafill, thoughts?11:17
jelkneractually, mr_german, thoughts?11:17
replaceafilljelkner, that's better :)11:18
jelknera word on that, my friend11:18
jelkneri'll keep addressing my questions to our only full time developer11:18
jelknerbut with the understanding that is uncle has his back behind the scenes, yes?11:18
ubuntouristSo. Tendenci 11 is "ready for prime time" but we're not ready for Tendenci 11? Or is Tendenci 11 itself still "rough around the edges" but "basically" usable?11:19
replaceafilljelkner, a word on that11:19
replaceafillmr_german needs to really understand the problems/questions you address him with11:19
jelkner+111:19
jelknerand he needs to ask for clarification when he doesn't11:19
replaceafilli'm confident once he passes that point he's able to handle most of things11:20
replaceafillyep, that's mr_german work11:20
jelknerwith time, he will become expert on our product11:20
jelknerand how customer use it11:20
jelknermr_german, can you say something please?11:20
mr_german;)11:20
replaceafilljelkner, to be honest, i'm worried how motivated mr_german is to do that11:20
mr_germanwell, thats true replaceafill 11:20
replaceafilljelkner, we can discuss mr_german discipline of work later if you want11:21
mr_germani need to understand questions and problems as you say11:21
jelknerand the best way to do that, mr_german, is to communicate11:21
jelknertalk to us, man, talk to us!11:21
jelkneralso you need to develop the confidence to stand your ground and tell me off sometimes11:22
jelknerlike, sorry, jelkner, we can't deliver that until march!11:22
jelkneror something like that11:22
jelknerwe are putting a lot on your shoulders11:22
jelknerand we need accurate info from you to make this work11:23
jelkneri'll be interfacing with our testers11:23
jelkneri need to manage their expectations11:23
jelkneri can't do that if i don't have accurate information11:23
jelknerok, enough on this for now11:23
jelknerthis is an ongoing discussion11:23
mjsir911okay, next item: ora meeting signup & what features we want our testers to use11:23
jelknermjsir911, this is really what we've been discussing11:24
jelknerthe only concrete thing is, mr_german can we answer tim's question?11:24
ubuntouristreplaceafill, would any of my crappy SQL scripts from the ARA project help anyone learn about Tendenci and PostgreSQL? (zOnny was saying he hasn't dug deep into PostgreSQL. Do people need to dig deep? Or is the Tendenci ORM enough?)11:25
replaceafillubuntourist, it's django orm and tendenci doesn't use much raw sql11:25
mr_germanjelkner, i need to read and understand11:25
jelknerbasically, people can't sign up for tomorrow's event11:26
jelknersince it is closed11:26
jelkner24 hours before the event starts11:26
replaceafillubuntourist, but they have a package that allows you to do raw queries to explore your data11:26
jelknertim asked about that last month11:26
replaceafillubuntourist, in that case knowing sql is tremendously valuable11:26
jelknerbtw. can you please confirm sign-in will work tomorrow night?11:26
jelkneri will be standing up at the beginning of the meeting asking people to sign in11:26
jelkneri don't want it to not work!11:27
jelknerACTION is done with that11:27
jelkneri'll ping mr_german tomorrow during my lunch to follow up11:27
replaceafilljelkner, word on that11:27
replaceafilljelkner, tomorrow i won't be able to do firefighting at meeting time11:27
jelknerhopefully we won't need it, replaceafill 11:27
jelknerif we have a system that requires live human intervention, we're SOL as they say11:28
jelknerSOL == shit outta luck11:28
replaceafilllet's go through the weeds of that (i really don't want to) after the meeting11:29
jelknerokie dokie11:29
replaceafill"let's have a meeting after the meeting" :D11:29
mjsir911Alright, last order of business: chair for next week. Any takers?11:29
replaceafilli can take it11:30
mjsir911replaceafill: that works, thanks!11:30
replaceafillthank you11:30
mjsir911ACTION drops the bag of gravel11:30
jelknernice job, mjsir911, thanks!11:30
jelknerreplaceafill, ready for our after meeting meeting?11:31
replaceafilljelkner, sure11:31
mjsir911replaceafill: I'll be working with diego to get myself paid, after that he will have a easier time doing that for you, too. Sound good?11:31
replaceafillmjsir911, sure, np11:31
replaceafilljelkner, can you hang out?11:31
replaceafilljelkner, my fingers are getting tired...11:32
jelknercool11:32
jelknerlet me see11:32
replaceafillACTION is pulling a jelkner on jelkner :D11:32
replaceafillubuntourist, to answer your tendenci 11 question, it's stable-ish but we don't have experience using it or migrating from 711:35
replaceafilloh call from jelkner11:35
replaceafillmr_german, you're working full time today, right?11:37
mr_germanreplaceafill, sure11:39
replaceafillmr_german, ok, we need to hang out with jelkner a bit later11:40
replaceafillmr_german, i mean, today, in a few minutes11:40
replaceafillmr_german, when jelkner is available11:40
replaceafillmr_german, so stay around and ready please11:40
jelknerreplaceafill, i'm ready11:43
replaceafilljelkner, cool, call me11:43
replaceafilljelkner, that seemed to work11:43
replaceafillmr_german, ready?11:44
jelknerjust sent invite11:44
jelknerwhere are you?11:44
replaceafilljelkner, well, spoke too soon i guess, it didn't show this time11:44
replaceafilljelkner, i'll try11:44
mr_germanok11:45
mr_germanim here11:45
jelknerreplaceafill, your not in the hangout either11:45
jelknerwe need to move fast11:45
replaceafilljelkner, https://hangouts.google.com/call/_jLHT9rUsdSdOncGnh7KAEEE11:45
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replaceafillmr_german, are you here?11:52
mr_germanreplaceafill, yes11:53
replaceafillmr_german, we cannot hear you11:53
mr_germanreplaceafill, i think my mic again11:53
mr_germanwait11:53
replaceafillmr_german, but you picked what jelkner said?11:53
mr_germanyes11:53
replaceafillmr_german, oops12:33
zOnnyreplaceafill: one question12:33
replaceafillmr_german, can you join again :D12:33
zOnnyreplaceafill: who can buy a domain with the novawebdev account ?12:34
replaceafillzOnny, louie used to12:34
replaceafillzOnny, jelkner "can"12:34
replaceafillzOnny, hhmm not sure on that last statement...12:35
zOnnyreplaceafill: Does it can be changed ?12:35
replaceafillzOnny, i don't know12:35
replaceafillzOnny, you'll need to bother louie12:35
replaceafillzOnny, are you leaving for lunch?12:36
zOnnyreplaceafill: yes, they are waiting12:36
replaceafillzOnny, i can explain what *i* see in namecheap that may make sense to you12:36
replaceafillzOnny, i'll be around for 1 more hour12:36
zOnnyreplaceafill: cool12:36
replaceafillzOnny, maybe we can talk when you come back12:36
replaceafillzOnny, kk enjoy lunch12:36
zOnnyreplaceafill: I really apreciate that12:36
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zOnnyhello replaceafill 13:57
replaceafillhey zOnny13:58
zOnnyreplaceafill: Did you get a chance to look at ?13:59
replaceafillzOnny, at what...?13:59
replaceafillzOnny, can you hang out?14:00
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replaceafillzOnny, my fingers get tired quickly now14:00
zOnnyreplaceafill: sure14:01
replaceafillzOnny, https://hangouts.google.com/call/3BltAgTOZjBmV1JXISC6AEEE14:02
DG123replaceafill: could we work out how much you're owed / your last invoice after your meeting with z0nny?14:03
replaceafillzOnny, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/ansible_role_tendenci/blob/master/tasks/project.yml14:31
replaceafillzOnny, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/ansible_role_tendenci/blob/master/tasks/project.yml#L16214:32
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replaceafillzOnny, http://rosslynrotary.net/en/14:35
replaceafilldg123, ping14:56
dg123replaceafill: I'm here14:57
replaceafilldg123, sorry that i didn't see your messages before14:57
dg123replaceafill, no problem14:57
replaceafilldg123, at this point i'd expect my october payment of $3k14:57
replaceafilldg123, it was supposed from us invoicing for the gallaudet work i did from september-november14:58
replaceafilldg123, it was supposed to come *14:58
replaceafilldg123, but i'm not sure if that's happened already14:58
replaceafilldg123, i mean, we just sent the last invoice last week14:58
replaceafilldg123, do you have access to our shared folder?14:58
dg123replaceafill, yes I do, but we're having a little trouble because some things that seem to be visible for other people aren't for me15:01
dg123replaceafill, that invoice was sent on Dec. 3rd, right?15:02
replaceafilldg123, correct15:02
replaceafilldg123, fyi so far i have never invoiced NOVA Web Development15:08
replaceafilldg123, and this probably will make your work more confusing, and sorry about that15:08
replaceafilldg123, but i have every transfer registered here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1thXxESyYdgnI1zXYIqmOj5JF2130xjh-EE_l1ois26c/edit#gid=015:08
dg123replaceafill, looks like they haven't paid yet, but it's only been a week. Since scheduled payday is very soon, I'll ask jelkner what protocol is in this case15:08
dg123replaceafill, and all those payments listed in that doc have gone through?15:09
replaceafilldg123, yes15:10
replaceafilldg123, that's every transaction coming to my bank account for salvadorean related business15:10
replaceafilldg123, sorry that is in spanish :(15:10
dg123replaceafill, not a problem :)15:11
replaceafilldg123, :)15:11
dg123jelkner is currently on a call, like I said I'll ask him what to do when payday is now but we have accounts receivable.15:12
replaceafilldg123, cool, thanks for taking care of this15:12
dg123replaceafill, any time. I'll go ahead & pay you right now. 15:15
replaceafilldg123, awesome, thanks!15:16
dg123replaceafill, so you said you'd never been paid directly out of NovaWebDev's bank account before, correct?15:22
replaceafilldg123, louie and jeff pays me through xoom15:23
replaceafilldg123, but i'm not sure about the specifics15:23
replaceafilldg123, i kind of remember louie saying that the bank account was linked to xoom15:24
dg123replaceafill: I don't think louie gave me the login info for xoom, give a couple minutes to figure that out15:27
replaceafilldg123, sure15:27
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