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| jelkner | Good morning | 10:30 |
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| Sambrem | Good morning! | 10:30 |
| jelkner | Just an FYI, kgrieco and Sambrem | 10:30 |
| kgrieco | good morning | 10:30 |
| jelkner | if you message with me with my user, jelkner, it pops up an alert | 10:30 |
| kgrieco | got it jelkner | 10:31 |
| jelkner | one of the only alerts i allow, actually, since i the constant interruptions that are so much a part of 21st century IT! | 10:31 |
| jelkner | so i would have known you were here | 10:31 |
| Sambrem | So, do I just say jelkner, or do I have to link you somehow? | 10:31 |
| jelkner | kgrieco, you can just say "good morning jelkner" | 10:32 |
| jelkner | and an little bing will ring and a popup notice will appear | 10:32 |
| jelkner | so, do you know what to work on today? | 10:32 |
| jelkner | kgrieco, | 10:32 |
| jelkner | Sambrem, i am assuming you are working out your assignment with nrcerna | 10:33 |
| jelkner | she won't be here today | 10:33 |
| jelkner | so monday will be the next time you see her | 10:33 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: yes I'm taking notes right now in an rtf document on the restructured text primer website you gave me | 10:33 |
| jelkner | cool | 10:33 |
| Sambrem | I'll be doing the wireframes for the mock ups of the website. | 10:33 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: i'm about halfway done. i just want to make sure i know what i'm doing | 10:34 |
| jelkner | using your own copy of the incomplete book | 10:34 |
| jelkner | make changes | 10:34 |
| jelkner | see if you can morph it into "The LibreOrganize Book" | 10:34 |
| jelkner | https://libreorganize.org/ | 10:34 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: what do you mean "morph"? | 10:35 |
| jelkner | i mean rather than creating a sphinx project from scratch | 10:35 |
| jelkner | you can take the one i gave you, and change it step by step into what you want | 10:35 |
| jelkner | it is often much easier to do it that way | 10:35 |
| jelkner | or if you prefer, you can start from scratch | 10:36 |
| jelkner | but i'm lazy | 10:36 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: ok i'll use that method | 10:36 |
| jelkner | and almost always start with a project i have and just "morph" it into a new project i want to create | 10:36 |
| jelkner | ok, i'm going to get back to work | 10:36 |
| jelkner | my focus today is deploying Django to a live server | 10:37 |
| jelkner | so i'll be working on that | 10:37 |
| jelkner | if you want my attention, mention "jelkner" in your message :-) | 10:37 |
| kgrieco | will do | 10:37 |
| jelkner | let's check in monday when you get to the library on your progress | 10:38 |
| kgrieco | ok | 10:38 |
| jelkner | i'll talk about our plan for the LibreOrganize Book at our meeting Sunday | 10:38 |
| jelkner | and more to say then | 10:38 |
| jelkner | oh, one more thing, kgrieco | 10:39 |
| jelkner | use small steps, and rebuild | 10:39 |
| jelkner | that will be your best way to learn | 10:39 |
| jelkner | make a small change | 10:39 |
| jelkner | then "make html" | 10:39 |
| kgrieco | ok jelkner. so i should make a copy of the directory | 10:39 |
| kgrieco | and then slowly rebuild | 10:39 |
| jelkner | when you git cloned it, you have a copy | 10:40 |
| jelkner | you can start with something like "$ mv pp4awdd libreorganizebook" | 10:41 |
| kgrieco | ok sounds good | 10:41 |
| jelkner | inside that directory you will find a .git hidden directory | 10:41 |
| jelkner | remove it | 10:41 |
| kgrieco | okay | 10:41 |
| jelkner | then it will no longer be a git repository | 10:41 |
| jelkner | then "make html" to make sure it builds | 10:41 |
| jelkner | "make clean" to delete the build | 10:42 |
| jelkner | make small changes, like change the title to "LibreOrganize Book" in the index.rst file | 10:42 |
| jelkner | rebuild | 10:42 |
| jelkner | when things break | 10:42 |
| jelkner | since your changes were small and incremental | 10:43 |
| jelkner | it will be easy to see what went wrong | 10:43 |
| jelkner | and you'll learn | 10:43 |
| jelkner | best of luck to you, kgrieco! | 10:43 |
| kgrieco | thanks jelkner | 10:43 |
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| kgrieco | jelkner: i've made minor changes like changing the title and last updated date, in addition to the logo and index hyperlink at the top of the page. i just don't know what to do next | 13:14 |
| jelkner | ok, i have a few suggestions | 13:15 |
| jelkner | kgrieco, take a look at the website i sent you earlier: | 13:15 |
| jelkner | https://libreorganize.org/ | 13:15 |
| jelkner | 1. Redesign the index page to use the logo from LibreOrganize | 13:16 |
| jelkner | and to have chapters for each of the four features listed as part of the application | 13:16 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: okay. I already did the logo but I'll work on the chapters | 13:17 |
| jelkner | btw, kgrieco were you able to view your changes in a browser after you built the site? | 13:17 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: yes, they looked fine and no error messages occurred while building | 13:17 |
| jelkner | great | 13:17 |
| jelkner | whittle down the source as far as you need to | 13:18 |
| jelkner | once you add a chapter with a good title for each of our 4 features | 13:18 |
| jelkner | remove all the other chapters from the old site | 13:18 |
| jelkner | once you have the source simplified and cleaned up | 13:18 |
| jelkner | we can make a git repo for the book | 13:18 |
| jelkner | sound good, kgrieco? | 13:19 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: okay, so i'll let you know once i've done all that then | 13:19 |
| jelkner | great | 13:19 |
| jelkner | thanks | 13:19 |
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| kgrieco | okay jelkner I cleared up the index.rst and source directory | 14:04 |
| jelkner | can you great a git repo of everything and put it on gitlab? | 14:05 |
| jelkner | then i'll be able to easily look at it | 14:05 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: should i create it under my own kgrieco1 user? | 14:05 |
| jelkner | yes | 14:05 |
| kgrieco | okay | 14:05 |
| jelkner | add me to the repo | 14:05 |
| kgrieco | and do you want me to create a site for it too or should i not worry about that yet jelkner | 14:06 |
| jelkner | not yet | 14:06 |
| jelkner | we'll do that later | 14:06 |
| jelkner | let's get something worth looking at first :-) | 14:06 |
| kgrieco | also jelkner do you want me to push it with the build folder or without? if it matters | 14:08 |
| jelkner | kgrieco, you add the build directory to .gitignore | 14:08 |
| kgrieco | ok jelkner | 14:08 |
| jelkner | you want only source, not build | 14:08 |
| jelkner | it does matter | 14:08 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: okay I added you | 14:26 |
| jelkner | can you paste a link to the repo, kgrieco? | 14:26 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: https://gitlab.com/kgrieco1/libreorganize-book.git | 14:26 |
| jelkner | Nice work! | 14:27 |
| jelkner | You rock | 14:27 |
| jelkner | kgrieco, | 14:27 |
| jelkner | we are going to have to have a discussion about the next step | 14:28 |
| jelkner | so we are blocking on that at present | 14:29 |
| jelkner | LibreOrganize isn't ready to be documented yet | 14:29 |
| jelkner | so the big question is, would there be value in writing the documentation first? | 14:29 |
| jelkner | to allow us to do some kind of documentation driven development | 14:30 |
| jelkner | the way i'm thinking about that, you would work with Sambrem and nrcerna to design what the LibreOrganize UI *should* look like | 14:31 |
| jelkner | which could then be used as a guide for the developers | 14:31 |
| jelkner | but nrcerna doesn't work again until sunday | 14:31 |
| jelkner | i can discuss this with her then | 14:31 |
| jelkner | so when you come in on monday, we can be ready to talk to you | 14:31 |
| kgrieco | ok jelkner sounds fine | 14:32 |
| Sambrem | Sounds fine to me. | 14:32 |
| jelkner | how are you doing with hours? | 14:32 |
| jelkner | until when did you need to work today? | 14:32 |
| kgrieco | i need to work until 6pm | 14:32 |
| kgrieco | about 3 and a half more hours | 14:33 |
| jelkner | i don't have any immediate tasks for that time | 14:33 |
| jelkner | would you be able to spend sometime looking over the SchoolTool Book to see what i consider to be model documentation for an application like ours? | 14:33 |
| jelkner | i sent you the link, yes? | 14:34 |
| kgrieco | yes jelkner you did | 14:34 |
| jelkner | read through that | 14:34 |
| jelkner | not the whole thing | 14:34 |
| jelkner | but just enough to get a feel for how well it is written | 14:34 |
| jelkner | the author is an English teacher | 14:35 |
| jelkner | more tech docs should be written by English teachers! | 14:35 |
| kgrieco | okay will do | 14:35 |
| jelkner | it used to make me so happy each September when i had to setup SchoolTool | 14:35 |
| jelkner | since the docs were such a joy to read | 14:35 |
| jelkner | they worked, and they explained things clearly | 14:36 |
| jelkner | minimizing the frustration that often comes with that kind of process | 14:36 |
| jelkner | you have the ST Book source | 14:36 |
| jelkner | so you can read through it not only with an eye for writing, but for presentation as well | 14:36 |
| jelkner | and you can look at the ReST source to see how that is done | 14:37 |
| jelkner | sound good? | 14:37 |
| kgrieco | yep jelkner | 14:37 |
| jelkner | cool, kgrieco, have a great weekend | 14:37 |
| jelkner | i'll talk to you monday morning | 14:37 |
| kgrieco | okay thanks. just verifying that these can count for my hours today jelkner ? | 14:38 |
| kgrieco | (reading into schooltool book) | 14:38 |
| jelkner | but of course, kgrieco! silly question ;-) | 14:38 |
| kgrieco | okay great thanks jelkner | 14:38 |
| kgrieco | talk to you monday | 14:38 |
| jelkner | later | 14:38 |
| jelkner | and thanks again! | 14:39 |
| jelkner | kgrieco, Sambrem, i'm signing off for the day | 15:34 |
| jelkner | have a great weekend! | 15:34 |
| Sambrem | You too! | 15:35 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for today | 15:35 |
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