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| nrcerna | !remind NOVALACIRO Progress (ask German) | 09:53 |
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| nrcerna | !remind Reading / research about API, API REST, django and some back-end, front-end integration. | 09:53 |
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| nrcerna | ACTION meeting with Douglas | 10:41 |
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| jelkner | !remind | 10:53 |
| jelkner | !remind Gallaudette meeting and how we meet their needs | 10:53 |
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| GFbot | jelkner, gm | 10:54 |
| jelkner | GM, GFbot | 10:54 |
| jelkner | !remind The importance of effective communication | 10:54 |
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| GFbot | jelkner, today im going to chair the meeting and tell my report after that I'll leave, i'm kind of sick. | 10:56 |
| +jelkner : GFbot : lbolz : nrcerna : @mjsir911 : wolcen : @ChanServ | 10:56 | |
| Reading / research about API, API REST, django and some back-end, front-end integration. (nrcerna) | 10:56 | |
| Gallaudette meeting and how we meet their needs (jelkner) | 10:56 | |
| The importance of effective communication (jelkner) | 10:56 | |
| jelkner | lbolz, is zOnny with you? | 10:58 |
| jelkner | sorry your not feeling well, GFbot | 10:58 |
| jelkner | Stefan is sick too | 10:58 |
| nrcerna | He feels like when you get sick here jelkner | 10:58 |
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| jelkner | sorry to hear that, GFbot, that wasn't fun | 10:59 |
| jelkner | Good morning, hrodriguez | 10:59 |
| hrodriguez | Good morning jelkner | 10:59 |
| GFbot | good morning! | 11:00 |
| nrcerna | Good morning! | 11:00 |
| jelkner | lbolz, are you here? | 11:00 |
| hrodriguez | Good morning everyone! | 11:00 |
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| nrcerna | jelkner, where is ubuntourist? | 11:00 |
| jelkner | that's what i want to know | 11:00 |
| nrcerna | I see | 11:01 |
| GFbot | can we start? | 11:02 |
| lbolz | ok z0nny and kevin are here with me | 11:02 |
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| nrcerna | shoot GFbot | 11:04 |
| GFbot | lets start | 11:04 |
| GFbot | First Item: "Understanding LibreOrganize - The NEA4OR Story" | 11:05 |
| jelkner | That's supposed to be mine, but given what happened this morning, i think we have a more urgent discussion we need to have | 11:05 |
| jelkner | GFbot, can i'd like to propose we substitute what is on the agenda for a broader discussion of what we do next | 11:06 |
| jelkner | what to people think? | 11:06 |
| jelkner | we had a meeting with Gallaudet, and will be getting a contract proposal from them | 11:06 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta is likely moving back to Romania | 11:07 |
| ubuntourist | (We hope) | 11:07 |
| SITarabuta | indeed | 11:07 |
| jelkner | so we can't plan on him being a key part of meeting that while he is in transition | 11:07 |
| ubuntourist | (We don't hope THAT. We hope the contract...) | 11:07 |
| jelkner | we have ubuntourist threatening to miss meetings to watch tv | 11:07 |
| ubuntourist | Yep. | 11:07 |
| jelkner | and lbolz and zOnny showing up unexpectededly without telling anyone they were coming | 11:08 |
| jelkner | so, here is our first order of business as i see it | 11:08 |
| jelkner | we need to figure out if we can take the Gallaudet contract | 11:08 |
| jelkner | and we need to let ubuntourist retire | 11:08 |
| jelkner | gradually | 11:08 |
| jelkner | but we need to make steady progress toward that | 11:09 |
| jelkner | so, this is a question for GFbot and zOnny | 11:09 |
| ubuntourist | and jelkner making decisions at 6:30 and expecting everyone else can accommodate. | 11:09 |
| jelkner | can we handle the Gallaudet contract? | 11:09 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, whatever | 11:09 |
| jelkner | i do the best i can | 11:09 |
| jelkner | i didn't make decision | 11:09 |
| jelkner | i just told you i couldn't make it to the location | 11:10 |
| jelkner | i try to do that out of deference to you, ubuntourist | 11:10 |
| jelkner | but you don't have a modern way to communicate | 11:10 |
| jelkner | so i sent the email | 11:10 |
| jelkner | in my view, you should just plan to go to HacDC and work on your own things | 11:11 |
| jelkner | and be there in case we show up | 11:11 |
| jelkner | otherwise, it is my responsiblity | 11:11 |
| jelkner | and i am coming from far | 11:11 |
| jelkner | and can't always get there easily | 11:11 |
| jelkner | so, 1st question is, can we handle the gallaudet contract? | 11:11 |
| jelkner | 2nd questions is, should we continue to meet at HacDC? | 11:12 |
| jelkner | if ubuntourist isn't coming, it doesn't make any sense | 11:12 |
| ubuntourist | I think we're up to about four times in the last 6 or 7 weeks. | 11:12 |
| jelkner | look, ubuntourist, i tell the other members they need to communicate directly with you | 11:13 |
| jelkner | it isn't my decision that we meet | 11:13 |
| jelkner | but i am the only one who can let people in | 11:13 |
| jelkner | so if i have that responsibility | 11:13 |
| jelkner | and can't be there to let people in | 11:13 |
| jelkner | i tell them not to come | 11:13 |
| jelkner | they have to do a good bit of traveling to get there | 11:14 |
| jelkner | it is disrespectful in the upmost to not be there when they arrive | 11:14 |
| jelkner | and, with winter break coming, there will be more sundays i can't be there | 11:14 |
| jelkner | so, should we continue to meet at HacDC? | 11:15 |
| jelkner | lbolz, zOnny, you really should have let someone know you were coming | 11:15 |
| jelkner | i didn't even notify you i wouldn't be there since i had no reason to suspect you would show up | 11:15 |
| jelkner | well? | 11:16 |
| ubuntourist | (Discussion happening...) | 11:17 |
| nrcerna | I suggest we can set up a process to avoid this kind of misunderstandings | 11:18 |
| GFbot | right! | 11:18 |
| SITarabuta | maybe we can use some kind of "check-in" app thingy online? | 11:18 |
| nrcerna | ?thoughts | 11:18 |
| SITarabuta | i am probably overthinking | 11:18 |
| nrcerna | we cand discuss that SITarabuta ;) | 11:19 |
| ubuntourist | nrcerna, Speaking for myself only, on Sundays, I'm usually running out the door. Not checking e-mail and not doing much else in my "Dark and Surly" moments. | 11:19 |
| ubuntourist | nrcerna, So, I find that early-morning changes in plans screw me up. | 11:20 |
| lbolz | jelkner, we'll notify you next time before we come in | 11:20 |
| nrcerna | I see | 11:20 |
| jelkner | +1 lbolz | 11:20 |
| nrcerna | thanks lbolz | 11:21 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, the only solution i see is if you see going to HacDC on sunday morning as something you do regularly | 11:21 |
| jelkner | even if no one else shows up | 11:21 |
| nrcerna | We need to find the way to make this smooth | 11:21 |
| jelkner | that way you won't be pissed off | 11:21 |
| nrcerna | I mean the communication | 11:21 |
| jelkner | and we can continue meeting there | 11:21 |
| jelkner | when people get sick, or things come up at the last minute | 11:22 |
| jelkner | email is the only way we reach you, ubuntourist | 11:22 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 11:22 |
| jelkner | so if you don't check it before you leave, what do you expect us to do? | 11:22 |
| jelkner | i text the others | 11:22 |
| jelkner | but i can't do that wit you | 11:22 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, we don't need an app | 11:23 |
| jelkner | This is a human problem, not one with a "tech fix" | 11:24 |
| ubuntourist | OK, so then I will continue to show up, but with the understanding that on occasion other people might. | 11:24 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:24 |
| jelkner | if you think of it that way | 11:24 |
| jelkner | you won't get pissed off (i hope ;-) | 11:24 |
| ubuntourist | Dark. Surly. Good luck. | 11:24 |
| jelkner | lol | 11:25 |
| jelkner | GFbot, before you go to sleep | 11:25 |
| jelkner | we need to talk about Gallaudet | 11:25 |
| GFbot | jelkner, cool | 11:25 |
| jelkner | since i strongly suspect there will be a contract proposal coming | 11:26 |
| jelkner | this is a very important business decision we all need to make together | 11:26 |
| jelkner | as nrcerna and GFbot know, replaceafill didn't want to do this work | 11:26 |
| jelkner | he did it two you years ago | 11:26 |
| jelkner | and he did it well, but he didn't want to make that his work | 11:27 |
| jelkner | he didn't want to do "gig work" | 11:27 |
| jelkner | and he was in a position to make that kind of choice | 11:27 |
| ubuntourist | I'm hoping to loop a Gallaudet RSIA employee, Larry Musa, into future conversations, since he's used Linux, and knows what a database is -- unlike one of the people we met with. | 11:27 |
| GFbot | jelkner, well | 11:27 |
| jelkner | ACTION is all ears waiting for GFbot to weigh in | 11:28 |
| GFbot | in my opinion if you are talking about Gallaudet Im don't what can i do for them | 11:28 |
| ubuntourist | I'm still not sure that they're aware of what they have or what they want, but, coming out of the conversation on Friday, the two bits that seemed clear: | 11:28 |
| GFbot | im dont know* | 11:28 |
| ubuntourist | 1) Create additional fields and views for the International Visitors Request Form | 11:29 |
| ubuntourist | 2) Move the International Policy Manual from its current Drupal / PHP life to something more suitable. (It's BASICALLY a wiki, but not public.) | 11:30 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is done with that summary | 11:31 |
| jelkner | and don't forget to maintain the ARA next year | 11:31 |
| jelkner | so here is the issue, GFbot | 11:31 |
| jelkner | i understand you don't know what needs to be done | 11:31 |
| jelkner | since we haven't been looping you into that work | 11:31 |
| jelkner | for better or worse, nrcerna and i thought it made sense to have ubuntourist and SITarabuta work on that | 11:32 |
| nrcerna | It seems like GFbot could take charge of the first part, right? | 11:32 |
| jelkner | so you could focus on LibreOranize | 11:32 |
| jelkner | but we now have a new situation | 11:32 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, They still seem very unsure of where they're going with the ARA. There will be work there, but whether it's integrating / porting to InterFolio, or, as I suspect, waiting til the last minute and panicking again... | 11:32 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta's availability is likely to be interrupted at unexpected times | 11:33 |
| jelkner | that means we should have him work on short cycle deliverables, not long term projects | 11:33 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, i understand the "unsure" part | 11:33 |
| jelkner | but past experience suggests some contracts will come out of this | 11:34 |
| SITarabuta | i wouldn't necessarily say that it will be interrupted | 11:34 |
| SITarabuta | i have a pretty linear life haha | 11:34 |
| jelkner | not now you don't, SITarabuta | 11:34 |
| jelkner | since it will branch in unexpected ways | 11:34 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION laughs (and gets the reference) | 11:34 |
| jelkner | you're graduating high school | 11:34 |
| jelkner | and heading into a period of transition | 11:35 |
| jelkner | anyway, ubuntourist, gallaudet will very likely want work from us | 11:35 |
| jelkner | from a business point of view | 11:35 |
| jelkner | if we decide this makes sense for us | 11:35 |
| jelkner | we should do what we need to do to meet their needs | 11:35 |
| jelkner | otherwise, replaceafill is right and we should not pursue it | 11:36 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, dare I ask about ... sorry, don't recall her name ... your ASL guest? | 11:36 |
| jelkner | so, we have a *very* important business decision to make | 11:36 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, no point discussing rachael now | 11:36 |
| ubuntourist | OK. | 11:37 |
| jelkner | that was future planning | 11:37 |
| jelkner | predicated on us wanting to continue our relationship with gallaudet | 11:37 |
| jelkner | can we make this the first agenda item for next sunday? | 11:38 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 11:38 |
| jelkner | and have GFbot, zOnny, SITarabuta and ubuntourist share information about the work so that they can have an informed opinion next week what we should do | 11:38 |
| ubuntourist | before GFbot weighs in, I think, perhaps a look at the repos. Particularly the ARA. This is what got zOnny in trouble: The beast was much bigger than he was told. | 11:38 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:38 |
| jelkner | The goal should be to bring zOnny back in when he is ready | 11:39 |
| jelkner | but not to throw him in the deep end before he is ready | 11:39 |
| jelkner | that was my fault | 11:39 |
| jelkner | for which i apologized many times | 11:39 |
| jelkner | now we can only learn from that experience and not repeat it | 11:40 |
| jelkner | so GFbot, you're opinion of this is really important | 11:40 |
| ubuntourist | I will open up access to GFbot and send links. Also, I will suggest that GFbot fill out a "visitor request" but make it clear in every field that this is a bullshit / test request from NOVA Web Development, and that they should not actually schedule a visit from him. | 11:40 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, can you work with GFbot on that? | 11:41 |
| GFbot | well we need to see first | 11:41 |
| nrcerna | sure | 11:41 |
| GFbot | we have things to do | 11:41 |
| nrcerna | Yes | 11:41 |
| GFbot | with novalaciro. | 11:41 |
| jelkner | yes, GFbot, we do | 11:41 |
| ubuntourist | I'll CC nrcerna, either or both of you should test out the live request form. | 11:41 |
| jelkner | and that is the tough part of trying to launch a successful business | 11:42 |
| jelkner | we have to make decisions | 11:42 |
| jelkner | decisions have consequences | 11:42 |
| nrcerna | In order of urgency jelkner? what its on top? | 11:42 |
| jelkner | and tradeoffs | 11:42 |
| nrcerna | we know jelkner | 11:42 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, this isn't my decision | 11:42 |
| jelkner | it is our decision | 11:42 |
| nrcerna | is our | 11:42 |
| nrcerna | I know | 11:42 |
| jelkner | and it should be informed by careful consideration | 11:42 |
| nrcerna | I just asked the order | 11:43 |
| jelkner | if we don't move fast enough on LibreOrganize, we will miss the current political season | 11:43 |
| jelkner | and may have to wait a few years for an opportunity like that again | 11:43 |
| jelkner | on the other hand | 11:43 |
| jelkner | we get paid, and paid well by gallaudet | 11:43 |
| jelkner | we don't know if or when that will happen with LibreOrganize | 11:43 |
| jelkner | although we do know we have unclaimed NOVALACIRO money | 11:44 |
| jelkner | waiting if we can claim it | 11:44 |
| jelkner | so, nrcerna, part of our task is to weigh these tradeoffs | 11:44 |
| nrcerna | I know jelkner | 11:45 |
| jelkner | and decide what to recommend as to how we allocate our very limited resources | 11:45 |
| jelkner | GFbot, it's hard for me to do that when i don't have the data | 11:45 |
| jelkner | how close are we to giving hrodriguez a LibreOrganzie system she can use? | 11:45 |
| jelkner | at which point we can invoice and bring in a few more thousand dollars | 11:46 |
| jelkner | when you feel better, GFbot, i'd like you to communcate that as clearly as you can to nrcerna | 11:46 |
| jelkner | so she and i can talk about it | 11:46 |
| nrcerna | do you think we could generate revenue (whit this) to have a part time support for GFbot? jelkner | 11:46 |
| GFbot | ok | 11:46 |
| GFbot | sounds good to me | 11:46 |
| jelkner | in any case, it is worth at least 1/2 day for you, GFbot, to look at the Gallaudet work to see if you think you can help ubuntourist, zOnny, and SITarabuta with it | 11:47 |
| jelkner | zOnny, do you think you'll be at ACC next Thursday? | 11:47 |
| jelkner | i'd like to check in with you about how you feel your progress is going | 11:47 |
| jelkner | it was very impressive to see how fast you got sign and read going | 11:47 |
| ubuntourist | As for Gallaudet, for better or worse, I am the "institutional memory bank" and if I get hit by a bus (or go watch TV til I die), NWD is screwed on that front. | 11:48 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:48 |
| ubuntourist | So, I need to pour as much of that institutional history int as many of you as I can. | 11:48 |
| jelkner | we need to gradually work toward making you not a single point of failure ubuntourist | 11:48 |
| jelkner | we need someone in the DC area who can go to campus for that | 11:48 |
| jelkner | so zOnny is the logical choice | 11:48 |
| jelkner | if he thinks given time and effort, he could do that | 11:49 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta could help him | 11:49 |
| zOnny | right zOnny? | 11:49 |
| jelkner | lol | 11:49 |
| jelkner | zOnny, are you coming next Thursday? | 11:49 |
| nrcerna | ajaja | 11:49 |
| nrcerna | zOnny, are you going next Thursday? | 11:50 |
| zOnny | jelkner: I don't know yet | 11:50 |
| jelkner | zOnny, can you commit to communicating with me between now and next Sunday? | 11:51 |
| jelkner | if you can make it thursday, we can talk then | 11:52 |
| nrcerna | I just wanted to let you all know that I was doing research about API and front end , back end stuff | 11:52 |
| jelkner | if you can't we need to schedule another way to do that | 11:52 |
| GFbot | jelkner, anything else that i need to know before leave? | 11:52 |
| nrcerna | but before that I would like to chair the meeting next sunday | 11:52 |
| jelkner | phone call could work | 11:52 |
| nrcerna | It is ok? | 11:52 |
| nrcerna | ACTION is Waitig... | 11:53 |
| nrcerna | hello? | 11:53 |
| zOnny | jelkner: works | 11:54 |
| nrcerna | Ok I chair the next | 11:54 |
| ubuntourist | BTW, Testament is proceeding (Books to Prisons) | 11:55 |
| jelkner | excellent! | 11:55 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, you have lbolz and zOnny there | 11:55 |
| jelkner | can you work with them on that today? | 11:55 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, hence my comment. zOnny, lbolz anything you wish to add? (No pressure.) | 11:56 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, you give me the word when i pay them | 11:56 |
| GFbot | jelkner, i'll drop the bag | 11:56 |
| jelkner | get well GFbot | 11:57 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, i'll call you in about an hour | 11:57 |
| GFbot | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 11:57 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION goes off to write up an institutional history, open repository access, etc, etc. | 11:58 |
| GFbot | jelkner, see you tomorrow, i'll talk with nrcerna about Gallaudet | 11:58 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:59 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off | 11:59 |
| nrcerna | Bye everyone | 11:59 |
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