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| jelkner | GM, nrcerna | 09:48 |
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| jelkner | see you at 9:45 your time | 09:48 |
| jelkner | (about an hour) | 09:48 |
| nrcerna | Hello jelkner | 09:57 |
| nrcerna | Sorry I was away | 09:57 |
| nrcerna | see you then jelkner | 09:57 |
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| jelkner | GM, GFbot and nrcerna | 10:47 |
| jelkner | i'm running late, sorry | 10:47 |
| jelkner | i've only got a minute, actually | 10:47 |
| jelkner | since i need to get ready for my class | 10:47 |
| jelkner | anything pressing? | 10:47 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, GFbot? | 10:48 |
| nrcerna | Hello | 10:49 |
| GFbot | hi | 10:49 |
| jelkner | anything pressing? | 10:49 |
| jelkner | if not, can we meet tomorrow? | 10:49 |
| nrcerna | Well we need to know if you showed the link to Ingrid? | 10:49 |
| jelkner | not yet | 10:49 |
| jelkner | i talked to her | 10:49 |
| jelkner | i'm supposed to show it to them this afternoon | 10:50 |
| jelkner | we had no chance | 10:50 |
| jelkner | we were meeting and marching | 10:50 |
| nrcerna | Ok we jus need it to know that | 10:50 |
| jelkner | i talked to her about it while we were walking | 10:50 |
| jelkner | ok, let's talk tomorrow | 10:50 |
| jelkner | i'll update you then | 10:50 |
| nrcerna | Sure jelkner | 10:50 |
| nrcerna | see you mañana | 10:51 |
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| replaceafill | GFbot, ping | 11:32 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, ping | 11:34 |
| nrcerna | pong | 11:34 |
| GFbot | replaceafill, hey | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, como le has llamado a la aplicacion en tu proyecto? | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | libreorganize-avatar? | 11:35 |
| GFbot | libreorganize_avatar | 11:35 |
| GFbot | si | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | si haces eso, tenes que cambiar todas las refencias dentro de la aplicacion a ese nombre | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | ejemplos: | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | https://gitlab.com/libreorganize/libreorganize-avatar/blob/master/models.py#L10 | 11:36 |
| GFbot | :0 | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | https://gitlab.com/libreorganize/libreorganize-avatar/blob/master/urls.py#L6 | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | y asi | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | ah, las migracion tambien | 11:36 |
| GFbot | :o | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | el nombre en templates, etc | 11:37 |
| GFbot | no sabia eso, bueno algo nuevo que aprendo. | 11:37 |
| replaceafill | ya? | 11:37 |
| GFbot | si | 11:37 |
| replaceafill | asegurate que ya no exista ningun profile_picture | 11:37 |
| replaceafill | como nombre de app, paquete o directorio | 11:37 |
| GFbot | replaceafill, bien, lo hare ahora mismo | 11:37 |
| replaceafill | y no se te olvide correr la migracion | 11:37 |
| replaceafill | no creo que lo hayas hecho porque te hubiera fallado | 11:38 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, escribime cuando lo hayas tratado de integrar nuevamente | 11:39 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, nrcerna o/ | 11:39 |
| GFbot | replaceafill, si, gracias tio | 11:39 |
| GFbot | :d | 11:39 |
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| jelkner | mjsir911, are you around? | 13:54 |
| mjsir911 | I am | 13:54 |
| jelkner | did you see glenda's email? | 13:55 |
| mjsir911 | nope, checking now | 13:55 |
| jelkner | it just came in at 1:55 pm | 13:56 |
| jelkner | 3 minutes ago ;-) | 13:56 |
| jelkner | mjsir911, thoughts? | 14:01 |
| mjsir911 | uhhh, sorry, just got back to it. | 14:01 |
| mjsir911 | Apache upgrade should be super simple | 14:01 |
| mjsir911 | *should* | 14:01 |
| jelkner | should? | 14:02 |
| jelkner | so, can i tell her we will confer about this on thursday night, and i'll get back to her friday? | 14:02 |
| mjsir911 | if everything goes well, it should really just be a bump to the apache proxy version | 14:02 |
| mjsir911 | yeah, that sounds good | 14:03 |
| jelkner | excellent | 14:03 |
| jelkner | can you be on irc during our meetup? | 14:03 |
| jelkner | 6 to 8 pm | 14:03 |
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| jelkner | so we can make sure mattva01 weighs in as well | 14:03 |
| jelkner | mjsir911, if you can confirm that, i'll let you go until thursday at 6 pm | 14:04 |
| jelkner | mjsir911, and i'll give glenda a call | 14:04 |
| mjsir911 | yep, I'll be around | 14:04 |
| mjsir911 | sounds good | 14:04 |
| jelkner | cool, mjsir911, talk to you thursday | 14:05 |
| mjsir911 | +1 | 14:05 |
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| jelkner | nrcerna, you here? | 14:29 |
| jelkner | ping GFbot, nrcerna | 14:29 |
| nrcerna | hello jelkner | 14:29 |
| GFbot | hi | 14:29 |
| GFbot | jelkner, | 14:29 |
| jelkner | can i give you a quick call, nrcerna | 14:30 |
| jelkner | GFbot, are you with nrcerna? | 14:30 |
| GFbot | from 9 to 5 | 14:30 |
| GFbot | ;) | 14:30 |
| nrcerna | yes jelkner | 14:31 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, GFbot this is bad | 15:43 |
| jelkner | the server is not running | 15:43 |
| jelkner | i tried to show it to Darlene | 15:43 |
| GFbot | jelkner, let me check | 15:43 |
| GFbot | it is | 15:44 |
| GFbot | jelkner, | 15:44 |
| GFbot | http://45.79.45.71:27960/ | 15:44 |
| jelkner | never mind, she has | 15:45 |
| jelkner | it | 15:45 |
| GFbot | 1+ | 15:45 |
| GFbot | jelkner, it works right? | 15:50 |
| jelkner | It does work | 16:06 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, GFbot, I just had a long conversation with Darlene. | 16:06 |
| jelkner | My job is going to be customer management | 16:06 |
| jelkner | We need to train our customer how to think about and communicate about websites | 16:07 |
| jelkner | Most people aren't used to thinking about that | 16:07 |
| jelkner | even we have only limited experience | 16:07 |
| jelkner | so she pointed me to the VEA website | 16:07 |
| jelkner | https://www.veanea.org/ | 16:07 |
| jelkner | We do want to use that as kind of a model | 16:08 |
| GFbot | they like it or not? | 16:08 |
| nrcerna | she didnt like it? | 16:08 |
| jelkner | Well, its not "they", it's only she | 16:08 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, her first impression was good | 16:08 |
| jelkner | but you need to understand, it's a looooong way from finished | 16:08 |
| jelkner | you've got three boxes that say "Testing News" | 16:09 |
| nrcerna | ? I dont understand | 16:09 |
| nrcerna | yes | 16:09 |
| jelkner | what don't you understand | 16:09 |
| jelkner | did you look at the VEA website? | 16:09 |
| jelkner | let's talk about that | 16:09 |
| nrcerna | We are going to add the info they have ont the website as well | 16:09 |
| nrcerna | this was a test | 16:09 |
| jelkner | yes, nrcerna, i understand | 16:09 |
| jelkner | the problem for us in designing them a site | 16:10 |
| jelkner | is what are the categories they need? | 16:10 |
| jelkner | and how should they be layed out? | 16:10 |
| jelkner | and how do we design them to be flexible enough to create form edit options for them? | 16:10 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, you'll need to talk to GFbot about this | 16:11 |
| GFbot | i dont get it | 16:11 |
| jelkner | you don't get what, GFbot? | 16:11 |
| GFbot | what you mean exactly | 16:11 |
| jelkner | Let me try to school ya, than | 16:11 |
| jelkner | please look at the VEA website | 16:11 |
| jelkner | tell me when you are on it | 16:12 |
| jelkner | do you need the url? | 16:12 |
| nrcerna | We're looking | 16:12 |
| jelkner | So let's talk about it. | 16:12 |
| jelkner | We start at the top with menu options: | 16:13 |
| jelkner | About, Membership & Benefits, Take Action, Tips & Tools, News and Events, and Contact | 16:13 |
| jelkner | You can only have so many menu choices | 16:14 |
| jelkner | Too many is confusing | 16:14 |
| jelkner | so they need to be chosen well | 16:14 |
| jelkner | We need to discuss that with them and help AEA decide what it wants | 16:14 |
| jelkner | Next is a slide show section with headline news | 16:15 |
| jelkner | and tabs: | 16:15 |
| jelkner | Our Members, Take Action, Videos, and Events | 16:15 |
| jelkner | Below that is "The Latest" | 16:15 |
| jelkner | and interesting section | 16:15 |
| jelkner | it has a three column layout | 16:15 |
| jelkner | it displays the top two rows | 16:16 |
| jelkner | and has a "View More" button | 16:16 |
| jelkner | that reveals you can add as many rows as you want | 16:16 |
| jelkner | since you git a numbered pages view of the table | 16:17 |
| jelkner | see what I mean when you click "View More"? | 16:17 |
| jelkner | it also appears you can set an item to have a colspan of 2 | 16:17 |
| nrcerna | yes | 16:17 |
| jelkner | that looks nice on the homepage | 16:17 |
| jelkner | the big "Fund OUr Future Rally" spans two columns | 16:18 |
| jelkner | I'm sure this is a CMS | 16:18 |
| jelkner | so that content editors can upload their own content through forms | 16:18 |
| jelkner | It's the kind of thing replaceafill build to the CDC | 16:18 |
| jelkner | for the CDC | 16:19 |
| jelkner | Then there is a Virginia Journal section | 16:19 |
| jelkner | and below that a "Member Voices" section | 16:19 |
| jelkner | Then Fund our Future, and finally the footer | 16:20 |
| jelkner | We want to look at this site for ideas | 16:20 |
| jelkner | but not just Virginia | 16:20 |
| jelkner | We should look at other NEA locals, AFT locals, and then other union websites in general | 16:21 |
| jelkner | to get ideas | 16:21 |
| jelkner | if we want to play in this space | 16:21 |
| jelkner | we will need to develop "domain knowledge" about unions and how to build effective websites for them | 16:21 |
| nrcerna | I see | 16:22 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, we talked about this before | 16:22 |
| jelkner | when i was there in the Summer i told you about a guy i know who made his entire living doing websites for volunteer fire departments | 16:22 |
| jelkner | you may not remember that story | 16:22 |
| jelkner | but the point i was trying to make is that there are a lot of web developers out there | 16:23 |
| jelkner | what makes us special? | 16:23 |
| jelkner | why would someone want to come to NOVA Web Development? | 16:23 |
| jelkner | the answer should include several things: | 16:23 |
| jelkner | 1. They are skilled developers who give you high quality work at a reasonable price. | 16:24 |
| jelkner | 2. They understand your business and can help guide you to make good choices | 16:24 |
| jelkner | for 2, we need to decided what kind of businesses we want to target | 16:25 |
| jelkner | kevin and i always wanted to be happy about what we were doing | 16:25 |
| jelkner | to, as he said, "help build the world we want to live in" | 16:25 |
| jelkner | so that means for me targeting "businesses" that serve humanity and make the world a better place | 16:26 |
| jelkner | we thought, given who we were and where we work, two specific targets make sense for us: | 16:26 |
| jelkner | 1. Educational institutions | 16:26 |
| jelkner | 2. Labor unions | 16:26 |
| jelkner | we have since added "Progressive grassroots organizations" | 16:27 |
| jelkner | but it is still not clear to me that they will ever have the resources to afford custom software | 16:27 |
| jelkner | let's see about that | 16:27 |
| jelkner | but schools and unions do | 16:27 |
| jelkner | i'm talking a lot again | 16:28 |
| jelkner | do you have questions? | 16:28 |
| jelkner | i need to know what you "don't get" | 16:28 |
| nrcerna | yes because you are talking about very custom software / design, | 16:28 |
| jelkner | that's our business, nrcerna | 16:28 |
| jelkner | we aren't selling a product | 16:29 |
| nrcerna | I mean GFbot and I said we dont get it because we used the same info they have and we tried to imagine the needs the have as well | 16:29 |
| nrcerna | We did a similar news section, with the difference that the design is kind of friendly since they dont have tendenci layout | 16:30 |
| nrcerna | I think our idea to create the news section was because we saw they need updated info | 16:30 |
| jelkner | yes, the news section is great | 16:31 |
| jelkner | but there is nothing else at this point | 16:31 |
| jelkner | Darlene liked the look of it | 16:31 |
| jelkner | and once we get her adding news, we can test how well it works | 16:31 |
| nrcerna | so to know their needs we need context, this is kind of tricky or hard when your not there, it would help us a lot to heve you or someone to collect this needs and then we can create | 16:32 |
| jelkner | i am doing that, nrcerna | 16:32 |
| jelkner | that's my job | 16:32 |
| jelkner | darlene needs to be trained in how to think about her needs | 16:32 |
| jelkner | she doesn't know | 16:32 |
| jelkner | so this will be a process | 16:33 |
| jelkner | what we need now, is a minimal viable product | 16:33 |
| jelkner | we need to get the website running with LO | 16:33 |
| nrcerna | Ok my question is, what are going to do now, meaning, are we pushing it? are we going to start over, are we going to wait ? | 16:33 |
| nrcerna | Ok got it | 16:33 |
| jelkner | What do you mean "pushing it" | 16:34 |
| jelkner | making it live? | 16:34 |
| nrcerna | yes | 16:34 |
| nrcerna | until she approve the design, right? | 16:35 |
| jelkner | https://www.obeythetestinggoat.com/ | 16:41 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the evening | 16:53 |
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