| ubuntourist | No one came out to play. Giving up for the night. | 00:56 |
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| abuchholz | !remind | 14:07 |
| ubuntourist | Well, I borked Jitsi Meet. Fortunately, I have backups of everything. | 14:11 |
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| ubuntourist | !remind | 14:59 |
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| jelkner | ubuntourist, just got your message | 15:08 |
| jelkner | kevin at seven, i like the sound of that | 15:08 |
| jelkner | did you get the jitsi test done | 15:08 |
| jelkner | or do we want to try now? | 15:08 |
| ubuntourist | !remind Set remind autofire to report in a separate window / tab for easy reference? | 15:08 |
| "Set remind autofire to report in a separate window / tab for easy reference?" added to message queue | 15:08 | |
| ubuntourist | jelkner: I'm on it now. See recent e-mail. Now password protected. | 15:09 |
| jelkner | cool | 15:09 |
| jelkner | let me read | 15:09 |
| jelkner | still having morning coffee | 15:10 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner: I'm trying to pace my Diet Coke habit... So, now on first O.J. of the a.m after Diet Coke. ;-) | 15:10 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner: But sadly, practicing binge sobriety for several weeks now. ;-) | 15:11 |
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| nrcerna | !remind | 15:15 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist[m], great email to haiku thread! | 15:15 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, i don't see any email with the password | 15:19 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner: ??? Sent to everyone@ and primes@ ... Subject: Re: 7:42 PM Saturday: Anyone available to test? | 15:20 |
| ubuntourist | (A reply / followup to last night's request for testers.) | 15:21 |
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| ubuntourist | abuchholz: CMoran: Seen the " Re: 7:42 PM Saturday: Anyone available to test?" e-mail from this morning? Care to try before IRC meeting? | 15:33 |
| abuchholz | I'm a little busy at the moment. I'm sorry. | 15:34 |
| ubuntourist | abuchholz: No problem. | 15:34 |
| ubuntourist | nrcerna: mjsir911: You should have also seen that message. | 15:35 |
| CMoran | i can help | 15:35 |
| ubuntourist | CMoran: Excellent! I'll be able to see your attempt to join (and even if video / audio not working, Jitsi chat should) | 15:36 |
| ubuntourist | CMoran: See the password in the e-mail message. | 15:36 |
| nrcerna | ubuntourist, I just tried it | 15:37 |
| nrcerna | it says that it was an error | 15:37 |
| ubuntourist | nrcerna: CMoran: Sadly, I'm seeing that too. | 15:38 |
| CMoran | same here | 15:38 |
| ubuntourist | Damn. I've apparently made it worse, not better. | 15:39 |
| mjsir911 | A bit pre-occupied, I'll try later | 15:39 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911: No need. ;-) | 15:39 |
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| SameenA | Good Morning! | 15:54 |
| kjcole | SameenA, Hiya | 15:54 |
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| kjcole | !time | 15:59 |
| LittleBrother | 2020-04-05 15:59:53.405102 | 15:59 |
| bcassatt : SITarabuta : SameenA : GFbot : amina : lbolz : @kjcole : CMoran : nrcerna : +jelkner : abuchholz : @mjsir911 : @ubuntourist[m] : wolcen : @ChanServ | 16:00 | |
| Test video... again? 😜 (ubuntourist) | 16:00 | |
| Set remind autofire to report in a separate window / tab for easy reference? (ubuntourist) | 16:00 | |
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| nrcerna | Hello everyone! | 16:00 |
| jelkner | Good morning! | 16:00 |
| lbolz | hello! | 16:00 |
| kjcole | Good whatever | 16:00 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 16:00 |
| SITarabuta | morning! | 16:00 |
| kjcole | (morning, afternoon, evening) | 16:01 |
| nrcerna | Well I think our agenda today will be brief | 16:01 |
| kjcole | It's mostly me failing at stuff. 😜 | 16:01 |
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| nrcerna | the first item its yours kjcole | 16:02 |
| nrcerna | Hosted video meetings: Achieved. Yay! ;-) (ubuntourist) | 16:02 |
| kjcole | So, Both 1 and 4: Yay, and boo. | 16:03 |
| nrcerna | Yes, | 16:03 |
| nrcerna | are we going to try again? | 16:03 |
| nrcerna | and when? | 16:03 |
| kjcole | I have the early vestiges of Jitsi Meet going, but briefly a few issues: | 16:03 |
| kjcole | 1. Yesterday each user could see and hear themselves and text-chat w/ other participants but nothing more. | 16:04 |
| kjcole | 2. I thought it was a firewall issue and opened a port. | 16:04 |
| kjcole | 3. Now it seems to go into a loop of kicking people out and retrying the connection. | 16:04 |
| kjcole | 4. I tried briefly this morning to implement security to prevent ZoomBombing but failed at that. Turned it off. | 16:05 |
| kjcole | Just about everything I've done (I hope EVERYTHING) is in a file out on the server: captains.log.md. | 16:05 |
| kjcole | ACTION is done with both agenda items 1 and 4. | 16:06 |
| jelkner | i'd like to put in my 2cents | 16:06 |
| jelkner | kjcole, this is super cool tech | 16:06 |
| jelkner | and definitely high on our wish list | 16:06 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 16:06 |
| jelkner | but i want to make sure we don't let it distract us from our top priorities | 16:07 |
| SITarabuta | when i hear jelkner's 2cents, i am scared that he is going to shut off the experiment | 16:07 |
| jelkner | to remind us | 16:07 |
| kjcole | Oh, brief aside before I forget: Nightly dump / backup of SQL appears to be working okay. | 16:07 |
| jelkner | if we can't bring in around $6K per month minimum by end of august, we're done | 16:07 |
| SITarabuta | kjcole oh thank god | 16:07 |
| jelkner | so we need to keep being reminded of that | 16:07 |
| kjcole | SITarabuta, 😜 | 16:07 |
| jelkner | i pitched this to the primes | 16:08 |
| jelkner | but SITarabuta abuchholz need to focus on getting LO working with features people need | 16:08 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 16:08 |
| abuchholz | +1 | 16:08 |
| nrcerna | But jelkner this could help to improve LO and then market it to get that budget | 16:08 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, not any time soon | 16:09 |
| jelkner | certainly not by august | 16:09 |
| nrcerna | mmm Ok | 16:09 |
| jelkner | it's just too challenging technically | 16:09 |
| jelkner | bigger efforts with far more resources fail | 16:09 |
| jelkner | we need to make the most from our *very limited* resources to have any chance of success | 16:10 |
| jelkner | it's not voice and video we need | 16:10 |
| jelkner | it's text | 16:10 |
| jelkner | information | 16:10 |
| jelkner | document management | 16:10 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 16:10 |
| jelkner | working out resolutions documents with a group of people with some sane workflow | 16:10 |
| jelkner | that's what people are stumbling over all over the world right now | 16:11 |
| kjcole | jelkner, as you mentioned (and I concur) screen-sharing is probably even higher on the list than video (except for your "suit and tie" interview needs). | 16:11 |
| jelkner | +1 kjcole | 16:11 |
| jelkner | definitely | 16:11 |
| jelkner | for presentations | 16:11 |
| jelkner | we need that more | 16:11 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 16:11 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 16:12 |
| nrcerna | Ok lets continue: Add marco.sirabella@novawebdevelopment.org to everyone@novawebdevelopment.org (ubuntourist), SITarabuta and abuchholz can you please take care of this? | 16:12 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, he is on the list | 16:13 |
| SITarabuta | yeah.. | 16:13 |
| jelkner | i'm wondering if we told him we aren't forwarding any more | 16:13 |
| nrcerna | I dint noticed, sorry | 16:13 |
| jelkner | that's probably the issue | 16:13 |
| abuchholz | +1 | 16:13 |
| jelkner | mjsir911, r u here? | 16:13 |
| mjsir911 | I am | 16:14 |
| kjcole | mjsir911, Are you getting emails now? | 16:14 |
| jelkner | is that the issue? | 16:14 |
| SITarabuta | we have a different mailserver now mjsir911 | 16:14 |
| mjsir911 | I don't see anything | 16:14 |
| SITarabuta | mail.novawebdevelopment.org | 16:14 |
| jelkner | we are hosting our own mail server now, mjsir911 | 16:14 |
| jelkner | no more forwarding | 16:14 |
| mjsir911 | ah, sounds good | 16:15 |
| jelkner | you need to setup pop or imap | 16:15 |
| mjsir911 | I've always used IMAP though, so not much of a change | 16:15 |
| SITarabuta | log in to your mailbox at mail.novawebdevelopment.org, username is your email, password is password | 16:15 |
| kjcole | Sounds like a post-meeting discussion betwixt mjsir911 & SITarabuta | 16:15 |
| SITarabuta | please change it | 16:16 |
| SITarabuta | true kjcole | 16:16 |
| kjcole | (or now 😜 You guys are reasonably quick.) | 16:16 |
| jelkner | let's move on... | 16:17 |
| nrcerna | Ok the next is yours jelkner | 16:17 |
| nrcerna | Ask how to handle users in multiple alias email lists (jelkner) | 16:17 |
| jelkner | this is also a post meeting discussion | 16:18 |
| jelkner | i just wanted it in the minutes | 16:18 |
| jelkner | and to present the problem | 16:18 |
| jelkner | we currently use a forwarding table in our database for "aliases" or "lists" | 16:18 |
| jelkner | the problem is that if one account is in multiple "aliases" | 16:19 |
| jelkner | will they receive multiple copies of the same email | 16:19 |
| SITarabuta | well yeah. when it goes to primes and everyone | 16:19 |
| SITarabuta | i don't see how we can change that | 16:19 |
| jelkner | so that's a pretty serious problem | 16:19 |
| jelkner | not huge, but not trivial | 16:19 |
| jelkner | let me talk to ubuntourist[m] about it | 16:20 |
| jelkner | he has the most database experience | 16:20 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 16:20 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 16:20 |
| SITarabuta | this is not a database issue. anyway | 16:20 |
| abuchholz | +1 | 16:20 |
| kjcole | +1 | 16:20 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, let's talk after | 16:20 |
| nrcerna | Ok and the last one: Set remind autofire to report in a separate window / tab for easy reference? (ubuntourist) | 16:20 |
| kjcole | Minor, and maybe not really important to anyone but me: | 16:21 |
| kjcole | Never mind. As I started to explain it I saw a problem: I wanted to have the agenda in a separate window or tab, but | 16:22 |
| kjcole | that would be a private message and wouldn't open a separate tab for everyone. So... | 16:22 |
| kjcole | ACTION retracts the last item and is done. | 16:23 |
| nrcerna | Ok | 16:23 |
| nrcerna | anything else? | 16:23 |
| nrcerna | anyone? | 16:23 |
| nrcerna | or are we done? | 16:23 |
| kjcole | Re presentations on the web... I may have an idea. Post-meeting discussion. | 16:23 |
| jelkner | kjcole, awesome | 16:24 |
| nrcerna | Sure we can talk it after :) | 16:24 |
| nrcerna | So... I think we are done. | 16:25 |
| nrcerna | ACTION Drops the bag of gravel | 16:25 |
| kjcole | PRIMES et al, don't run off. | 16:25 |
| nrcerna | thanks everyone. | 16:26 |
| kjcole | Very briefly, try out the web slide presentation demo at https://revealjs.com/ and see what you think of it. | 16:26 |
| mjsir911 | I *think* I've got email working but im not seeing any new ones | 16:26 |
| kjcole | (Now you can run off. I may send a reminder of the slide presentation system in e-mail.) | 16:27 |
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| nrcerna | kjcole, https://slides.com/pricing?h=1 | 16:27 |
| mjsir911 | kjcole: I have some experience with [hovercraft](https://hovercraft.readthedocs.io/en/latest/), which uses impress.js which seems to be similar to reveal.js | 16:28 |
| nrcerna | jelkner, are you going to talk GFbot? since you couldnt on friday | 16:28 |
| nrcerna | he was waiting for it | 16:29 |
| kjcole | mjsir911, good to know. Is there a demo to wow people with? | 16:29 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, yes | 16:29 |
| jelkner | i'm talking with SITarabuta and abuchholz and lbolz on discord now | 16:30 |
| jelkner | about email | 16:30 |
| kjcole | mjsir911, The nice thing about reveal.js was that the web site sucks you into a demo pretty quickly to wet your whistle. | 16:30 |
| nrcerna | Ok | 16:30 |
| jelkner | after that i'll reach out to you | 16:30 |
| nrcerna | Ok jelkner | 16:30 |
| kjcole | ACTION is stepping away from the screen for a minute... | 16:30 |
| mjsir911 | +1 fair enough | 16:31 |
| mjsir911 | demo: http://regebro.github.io/hovercraft/#/step-1 | 16:31 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, we can't here you | 16:36 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, i just tried signal | 16:41 |
| jelkner | you didn't pick up | 16:41 |
| jelkner | s/hear/here | 16:41 |
| nrcerna | I guess I'm having issues with the internet, I muted mi micro on discord because I barely heard you | 16:42 |
| nrcerna | jelkner | 16:43 |
| nrcerna | I'm going to try again | 16:43 |
| nrcerna | Or we can talk after | 16:43 |
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| jelkner | Ahh, now you are. | 19:38 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, i just sent an email | 19:39 |
| nrcerna | I just read it | 19:39 |
| jelkner | can you handle setting that up? | 19:39 |
| jelkner | i think it is really important for the four of us to meet | 19:39 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, we could pick a time now if you like | 19:39 |
| nrcerna | I'm waiting for Edzon answer, after you called me I wrote them to talk about the schedule | 19:39 |
| jelkner | ok | 19:40 |
| jelkner | let me look at my schedule for tomorrow | 19:40 |
| nrcerna | ok | 19:40 |
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| GFbot | jelkner | 19:41 |
| jelkner | GFbot, nrcerna is trying to organize a meeting for you, her, and zOnny | 19:42 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, tomorrow at 6:30 pm your time is my only meeting | 19:42 |
| GFbot | jelkner yes she told us that. | 19:42 |
| jelkner | so let me know when, and i'll add it to my calendar | 19:42 |
| GFbot | sure | 19:42 |
| jelkner | and how too | 19:42 |
| GFbot | i can | 19:42 |
| jelkner | seems like discord voice doesn't work well from ES | 19:42 |
| jelkner | so whatever you want to use | 19:42 |
| nrcerna | It does | 19:43 |
| jelkner | we couldn't hear you, nrcerna | 19:43 |
| GFbot | lets use hangout | 19:43 |
| nrcerna | I had internet issues | 19:43 |
| GFbot | she was muted | 19:43 |
| GFbot | lol | 19:43 |
| nrcerna | so I muted | 19:43 |
| nrcerna | jelkner, | 19:43 |
| jelkner | you just tell me how to connect | 19:43 |
| jelkner | and the time | 19:43 |
| jelkner | and i'll be there | 19:43 |
| GFbot | jelkner you can join to the voice channel | 19:43 |
| GFbot | and then i can join | 19:43 |
| GFbot | easy | 19:43 |
| jelkner | on discord, right? | 19:44 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 19:44 |
| jelkner | i do that all the time with Adrian and Stefan | 19:44 |
| jelkner | like every day | 19:44 |
| jelkner | but we tried with nrcerna today | 19:44 |
| jelkner | and couldn't hear her | 19:44 |
| GFbot | she was muted | 19:44 |
| jelkner | yes, but i chatted that to her and she couldn't seem to be able to fix it | 19:45 |
| jelkner | anyway, whatever y | 19:45 |
| jelkner | y'all want to do | 19:45 |
| nrcerna | we can try the voice channel , voice #2 | 19:46 |
| nrcerna | are you able to see it? | 19:46 |
| jelkner | i'm in it now | 19:46 |
| nrcerna | can you try it please GFbot | 19:46 |
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| jelkner | great, nrcerna GFbot zOnny we meet again next thursday at 2 pm (12 noon en el salvador) | 20:19 |
| nrcerna | Great | 20:19 |
| jelkner | by then i should have an invoice for novalaciro that needs to be entered in to the system | 20:19 |
| jelkner | and nrcerna should be ready to demo at least login to me | 20:20 |
| jelkner | sound good? | 20:20 |
| jelkner | nrcerna? | 20:20 |
| nrcerna | Ok :) | 20:20 |
| jelkner | lol | 20:20 |
| jelkner | cool | 20:20 |
| nrcerna | :D | 20:21 |
| jelkner | we'll meet in the same place | 20:21 |
| jelkner | discord Voice channel #2 | 20:21 |
| jelkner | and here at the same time | 20:21 |
| GFbot | 1 | 20:21 |
| GFbot | 1+ | 20:21 |
| jelkner | ok, brb, i need to move my laundry to the dryer | 20:22 |
| ubuntourist | can someone try the Jitsi test again, right now while I have it capturing data? (Same URL as in e-mail. I don't want to publish it on IRC. Not secure.) | 20:32 |
| ubuntourist | Same URL as in this morning (and last night's) e-mail, I mean. | 20:32 |
| ubuntourist | It will fail, but I want to capture the error messages of the failure. | 20:34 |
| ubuntourist | (I don't want to get on Discord, for fear that it will want to simultaneously use my audio or video and mess with Jitsi.) | 20:36 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, GFbot, nrcerna, mjsir911, zOnny ? | 20:39 |
| GFbot | ubuntouristi i cant right now. | 20:39 |
| ubuntourist | So much for brb... | 20:51 |
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| jelkner | ubuntourist, i was eating diner | 20:54 |
| jelkner | i'm back | 20:54 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, can you please paste the url here again? | 20:54 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, r u here? | 20:56 |
| ubuntourist | Sorry. Stood up to let jen in. | 20:57 |
| jelkner | np | 20:58 |
| jelkner | could you please paste the url again here? | 20:58 |
| jelkner | then i'll join | 20:58 |
| ubuntourist | Rather not paste as I'm worried about ZoomBombing but if you insist... | 20:58 |
| jelkner | is it just /jitsi at the end? | 20:58 |
| jelkner | i can try that | 20:59 |
| jelkner | not found | 20:59 |
| ubuntourist | Just /Testing on the end. | 20:59 |
| ubuntourist | But there's a pretty obvious prefix to our public URL -- which is why I didn't want to paste it here. | 21:00 |
| ubuntourist | (prefix to the domain name) | 21:00 |
| jelkner | ok | 21:00 |
| jelkner | but obvious isn't to a bear brain like me | 21:00 |
| jelkner | i got it though | 21:00 |
| jelkner | i see a screen with muted mic and camera | 21:01 |
| jelkner | and nothing i can do | 21:01 |
| jelkner | clicking unmute does nothing on either of them | 21:01 |
| ubuntourist | OK... I'm going to check the logs. I was expecting that it would "bounce" for you as it has for others. | 21:02 |
| ubuntourist | Every time someone joined today, it would kick both me and the other parties off, and then immediately try again to connect us | 21:03 |
| ubuntourist | ad nauseum. Hence the "bouncing" comment. | 21:03 |
| jelkner | The screen changed, ubuntourist | 21:08 |
| jelkner | Asking me for permission to use the camera and mic | 21:08 |
| jelkner | All i get now is a gray screen telling me it needs permission | 21:08 |
| jelkner | so no dice | 21:08 |
| ubuntourist | OK. Well, thanks for playing. I was hoping for a different kind of error... | 21:09 |
| jelkner | seems to have locked my browser, ubuntourist | 21:09 |
| jelkner | i have to go | 21:09 |
| jelkner | i have school board endorsement work to do for aea | 21:10 |
| ubuntourist | Yup. Bye. | 21:10 |
| jelkner | zOnny, GFbot, nrcerna i'm signing off for the evening | 22:27 |
| jelkner | i'll be back on tomorrow morning | 22:27 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off | 22:27 |
| GFbot | see you | 22:27 |
| nrcerna | Oki jelkner | 22:27 |
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