IRC log of #novawebdev for Thursday, 2020-04-09

jelknerzOnny, i'm learning to use Postgres! ;-)00:57
zOnnyjelkner: great!00:58
jelknerzOnny, your database class starts tomorrow, yes?00:58
jelknerzOnny, are you in CS 2203?00:59
zOnnyACTION is checking00:59
jelknerthat's Databases 101:00
zOnnyjelkner: right01:00
jelknercool01:01
jelknerlet's compare notes01:01
jelknerbtw, zOnny, i just created a new git repo01:01
jelknerhttps://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/postgres-mail-scripts01:01
jelkneri figured out how to create a postgres user for myself, and configure access to the database i needed to manage aliases for our mailing lists01:02
jelkneri'm going to sleep now01:02
jelknerbut i'll work on that more tomorrow01:02
jelkner*after* i start my classwork for my Marketing class! ;-)01:03
zOnnyjelkner: ok01:03
jelknertalk to you tomorrow01:03
jelknerACTION signs off for the night01:03
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abuchholz!remind13:46
jelknerabuchholz, i can't login to our website14:03
jelkneroh yeah, we lost our accounts14:04
abuchholzyeah in the database disaster of 2020 ;)14:05
abuchholzjelkner you have access14:06
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jelkner!remind14:23
jelkner!remind Brief update on business plan14:25
"Brief update on business plan" added to message queue14:25
ubuntourist!helo14:40
ubuntourist!help14:40
LittleBrotherAvailable commands: !event, !help, !ping, !remind, !time14:40
ubuntourist!help event14:40
LittleBrotherCreate event on novawebdevelopment.org14:40
ubuntourist!remind14:41
ubuntourist!event Thursday Jam, Weekly Thursday IRC gathering, 2020-04-09 12:00, 2020-04-09 12:30, URC, infinity14:43
The event "Thursday Jam" has been created.14:43
ubuntouristabuchholz, did you actually check-in? That was QUICK. Or are you auto-checking-in to events?14:45
abuchholzI actually checked in14:45
abuchholzWe have some CSS issues probably something we should ask Edzon or German to look at14:45
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ubuntourist!remind Make wiki pages hierarchical again to reduce TOC menu.15:24
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ubuntouristMidst compile.  Be right there...15:59
lbolz : SameenA : SITarabuta : CMoran : nrcerna : abuchholz : @ubuntourist : +jelkner : @mjsir911 : @ubuntourist[m] : wolcen : @ChanServ16:00
Brief update on business plan (jelkner)16:00
Make wiki pages hierarchical again to reduce TOC menu. (ubuntourist)16:00
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ubuntouristMade it.16:01
nrcernaHello everyone!16:01
SITarabutaMorning!16:01
lbolzhello!16:01
jelknerTop of the day to ya!16:01
ubuntouristHey-ho,16:01
nrcernaWell I think the first two items are realted16:02
jelknerand the last, nrcerna 16:02
jelknerwe should talk about them all at once16:02
nrcernaCan you talk about the wiki? abuchholz, SITarabuta 16:02
nrcernayes jelkner 16:02
abuchholzhttps://novawebdevelopment.org/wikis/home/ its live16:03
SITarabutaAlright16:03
jelknerYippee!16:03
SITarabutaAnd, because jelkner requested this loudly16:03
abuchholz+116:03
SITarabutahttps://novawebdevelopment.org/wikis/setting-up-your-nwd-mail/16:03
SITarabutathese are instructions on setting up your email16:03
abuchholzIt is easily available on the home page under "Important Links"16:04
SITarabutaI mean it just works16:05
SITarabutaTry it out16:05
abuchholzThat's essentially it for now16:05
jelkner+!16:05
jelkner+116:06
jelknerlet's use it16:06
abuchholz+116:06
SITarabutaIt's WYSIWYG, so enjoy16:06
SITarabuta*mostly*16:06
ubuntouristCould it become heirarchical again? Right now all the nested stuff has flattened out in the ToC.16:06
jelknerwe should talk about ubuntourist's request16:06
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SITarabutaYes. We should. I am trying to think of a nice way of doing it. It ain't easy though16:07
jelknerubuntourist, we talked yesterday about having the view according to most recently modified16:07
SITarabutaSo it will take a bit of time16:07
jelkneri think that would actually be the most collaboratively useful view16:07
jelknersince it would encourage us to look at "what's new"16:07
ubuntourist(I see Alan's this, Alan's that, Alan, Alan... Alan, ad nauseum, and then all the other pages.)16:08
jelkneryes, ubuntourist 16:08
jelknerthat's because SITarabuta hasn't made the change yet16:08
jelkneri need to file an issue first16:08
ubuntouristAh. OK. Move on then.16:08
jelknerthen it would be temporal, not lexigraphical order16:09
SITarabutaOk, let's move on..16:09
jelknerSITarabuta, abuchholz we will need this on the NOVALCIRO site as well16:09
jelknerACTION done16:09
ubuntouristBlogs are temporal. Wikis I'm not so sure about.16:10
jelknerubuntourist, let's talk later16:10
nrcernaOk next item: Changing the way LibreOrganize is structured (particularly the 2 repos) (SITarabuta)16:10
SITarabutaOh boy ok so16:10
SITarabutaUh I don't know about you, but the way we are doing the "setup" is kind of bad16:11
SITarabutaif you want to run libreorganize you need to also get custom designs16:11
SITarabutathey are kind of dependent on each other16:11
SITarabutaand custom designs is private16:11
ubuntouristSITarabuta, I noticed. ;-)16:11
SITarabutaso if someone clones libreorganize, good luck running it16:11
SITarabutayeah16:11
SITarabutaso my plan is to move the base template into LibreOrganize16:11
SITarabutaand Change the Custom Designs to a "Theme"16:11
ubuntourist+116:12
jelkner+116:12
SITarabutawhich also has 2/3 .py files with theme settings16:12
SITarabutanow this is a transition16:12
SITarabutaand because NWD and NOVALACIRO16:12
SITarabutaalready run16:12
SITarabutait is not an easy git pull16:12
SITarabutaso it will take around 1 week maybe more16:12
SITarabutathose with instances on your own machine, be prepared to work with broken stuff16:13
jelknerbetter now than later16:13
SITarabutayes16:13
ubuntouristSITarabuta, who will need to pull during the week? I can certainly hold off.16:13
SITarabutaWell, it is best to wait a bit16:13
SITarabutaBut I will try to work in a different branch16:13
SITarabutato not disrupt16:13
SITarabutaso you should be fine16:14
ubuntouristSITarabuta, in fact, what I'll probably do is "rm -rf" followed by "git clone" ;-)16:14
SITarabutakind of16:14
SITarabutayes16:14
SITarabutathat would be the best ubuntourist16:14
SITarabutathis is about it16:14
SITarabutaACTION done16:14
ubuntourist(Speaking of "rm -rf" Jitsi is purged and being rebuilt from the ashes.)16:15
SITarabuta*fingers crossed* we get that working so i can share my screen with Jeff16:15
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SITarabutabecause he doesn't want to install discord ;)16:15
jelkner+116:15
abuchholzlol16:16
jelknersoftware freedom!16:16
ubuntouristdemocracy!16:16
ubuntourist;-)16:16
jelknerpeace, love, justice!16:16
SITarabutaLiberte!16:17
SITarabutaok16:17
SITarabutawhat are we doing16:17
jelknernrcerna, you're driving, right?16:17
nrcernayes,16:17
nrcernanext : Brief update on business plan (jelkner)16:17
jelknerok, we need to be ready to market our business at the beginning of june16:18
jelknerwe'll need to keep up the wonderful progress we have been making for that to be possible16:18
jelknerspecifically we need to:16:18
jelkner1. use our new wiki together to find bugs and refine it16:18
jelkner2. get it running on novalaciro so they can use it to share info with members16:19
jelknerthen it's time to setup customer #316:19
jelknerour revolution arlington16:19
SITarabutaI am excited to see the pile of issues on Sunday16:19
SITarabuta;)16:19
jelkneri'll reach out to the steering committe today16:19
jelknerand setup a meeting with them16:19
jelkneri'll report back on that on sunday16:20
jelknerACTION done16:20
nrcernaThanks jelkner 16:20
nrcernaanyone wants to share anything?16:21
ubuntouristQuestion for abuchholz: How "standardized" is the Wiki stuff? Specifically:16:21
SITarabutaWe do have [[ ]] 16:21
SITarabutaAt least that16:21
abuchholz+116:21
ubuntouristIf I have markdown files, mediawiki files, etc, and I have `pandoc` how easy is it to convert and import old content into the new wiki?16:22
SITarabutayeah... not really. :(16:22
SITarabutamarkdown16:23
SITarabutawe do support that16:23
SITarabutamediawiki files, god, they need to be uploaded via the CKEditor16:23
SITarabutaand I wish I knew what pandoc is16:23
ubuntouristMarkdown was my primary concern. 16:23
jelknerSITarabuta, it's a swiss army knife written in haskel for converting among formats16:24
SITarabutaWe support that, but again, it is basically a Code Snippet inside CKEditor16:24
ubuntouristpandoc is a command-line tool for converting one form of markup to another. think the prefix "pan-"16:24
SITarabutaOh I see16:24
SITarabutaWell, the wiki is HTML16:24
SITarabutabasically16:24
ubuntouristI can feed pandoc a markdown or mediawiki file and ask it to produce an html file, but I want to avoid unnecessary "clutter"16:25
SITarabutaso if you can get it in HTML, then you would have it in the native format16:25
SITarabutaYou can keep Markdown if you wish16:25
jelknerso we are getting lost in the weeds here16:26
jelkneran important discussion16:26
jelknerbut an after meeting deep dive16:26
ubuntouristin those files. So, if I can hone close to what our wiki expects -- e.g. avoiding <div><div><div><span><span><span></span></span></span></div></div></div>16:26
ubuntouristwhen <div></div> will do.16:26
jelknernrcerna, can we close the meeting?16:27
nrcernayes jelkner 16:27
nrcernaACTION Drops the bag of gravel16:27
jelknerthanks nrcerna!16:27
jelknersee y'all sunday16:27
nrcernanp :)16:27
nrcernaSee you! 16:27
SITarabutaSee you16:27
ubuntouristOK. So it's now "later". Wikipedia is not a chronologically organized system, nor can I think of any useful wiki that is.16:29
ubuntourist(Well, to be honest, there is a SMALL portion of Wikipedia that is chronological, but by and large, that's not how it's used.)16:30
ubuntouristWiki != Blog.16:30
abuchholzubuntourist we understand16:30
abuchholzgive us a little bit of time we will reorganize some things. If you file an issue that is the greatest help to us16:31
SITarabutaWell, this is a fight between you and jelkner16:31
SITarabuta;)16:31
SITarabutajelkner would love if you could join Discord Voice #116:31
SITarabutaubuntourist16:31
ubuntourist(abuchholz, I was responding to jelkner's comment)16:32
ubuntouristSITarabuta, switching...16:32
abuchholzgreat16:32
jelkner!remind Talk about signing in on website17:30
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jelkner!remind17:30
nrcernahttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1jEvNaSUvjQMeB1gaxOGnaFnhnEZtnQ1KClQAxna_1D8/edit?usp=sharing17:33
nrcernaCan you see this 19:00
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ubuntouristJitsi Testing time... Anyone available?20:28
ubuntouristping jelkner nrcerna GFbot mjsir911 20:29
jelknerubuntourist, pong20:48
ubuntouristTry the test again. Same address as before (also in e-mail again.)20:48
mjsir911ubuntourist: does <kevin.cole@gallaudet.edu> still work? I need a few recommendations for a new job & this is the most relevent email (for the gallaudet work I did)20:53
ubuntouristmjsir911, I think so.20:53
ubuntouristBut can you try the Jitsi test?20:54
mjsir911alright, I'll send you an email first20:54
mjsir911will do20:54
mjsir911ubuntourist: what's the link? /Success?20:54
ubuntouristThanks. Testing but it's not scaling. Was able to get one-on-one with jelkner 20:55
mjsir911alright20:56
ubuntourist Success with jelkner and me but when others joined, it bounced him in and out.20:56
mjsir911for /Success?20:57
jelknerACTION signs off for the day20:57
ubuntouristmjsir911, verified: Email account still live.20:58
mjsir911alright, thanks20:58
ubuntouristmjsir911, (Haven't checked it in forever. ;-)20:58

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