IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2020-06-21

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SITarabuta!remind How did the Sound Advice meeting go?01:07
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SITarabuta!remind Taxes?01:10
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jelknerGood morning, ubuntourist 07:38
ubuntouristACTION yawns, blinks08:08
ubuntouristjelkner, Hail.08:08
ubuntouristjelkner, I'm finally cleaning out my dc.loco inbox, where I'm way over-subscribed.08:09
ubuntouristjelkner, In so doing, I'm finding ignored messages re: Loomio, The Open Co-Op, etc, and trying to cherry-pick information to share with NWD.08:10
ubuntourist(BRB)08:10
jelknercool08:11
jelknerubuntourist, if you have a minute, i'd like to ask you for some sound advice ;-)08:12
jelknerbtw, i'm scheduled to call tom hoffman at 908:12
jelknerit will be great to catch up with him08:12
ubuntouristACTION is back08:19
jelknerubuntourist, can you join me on hangout?08:19
ubuntourist!remind Worst practices: \"fragile\" development and \"Unsound Advice\" 😉08:20
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ubuntourist!remind Am I a twit, twitter, the twittest? Socially networking.09:51
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inana_16I Like Flint sense of humor jelkner 11:13
inana_16!remind Plans for this week (Really Brief)11:22
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jelknerGood morning abuchholz 11:46
abuchholzhey11:46
jelknerwe are on hangout11:46
jelknerSLewis, you too11:46
abuchholzyep. have been in there for the last 15 minutes11:46
jelkneroh, ok11:46
jelknerlots of us today11:46
jelkneri didn't see you ;-)11:46
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inana_16Hello Everyone!12:00
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GFbot : PAldea : zOnny : SITarabuta : abuchholz : SLewis : inana_16 : +jelkner : @ubuntourist : @mjsir911 : @ChanServ : wolcen12:02
Talk about how the forums app will work (abuchholz)12:02
Taxes? (SITarabuta)12:02
Worst practices: "fragile" development and "Unsound Advice" 😉 (ubuntourist)12:02
Am I a twit, twitter, or the twittest? 😉 Socially (socialist?) networking. (ubuntourist)12:02
Plans for this week (Really Brief) (inana_16)12:02
inana_16Ok lets start!12:02
inana_16first item: PDF print from NOVALACIRO wiki still not working (jelkner)12:02
jelknerYup, news on that?12:02
abuchholzIt has been pushed to master12:02
SITarabutaBUT12:02
SITarabuta:12:02
abuchholzhowever... someone deleted .git on Novalaciro12:02
abuchholzso12:03
inana_16?12:03
abuchholzwe cant pull or do anything12:03
SITarabutagood lucking pulling12:03
jelknerouch12:03
abuchholzsomeone deleted it12:03
jelknerok, zOnny and GFbot need to fix that12:03
jelknerone other quesiton12:03
abuchholzYou probably need to reclone the repo and copy things over and make sure things are in sync12:03
jelknernow that we have this PDF working, would it be easy to port to The Blog?12:03
abuchholzfor the most part12:04
SITarabutalol12:04
abuchholzI can look into it12:04
jelknercool12:04
jelknerACTION done12:04
inana_16thanks abuchholz,SITarabuta 12:04
inana_16Ok, next item: 12:04
SITarabutaabuchholz you love making things seem easier than they are don't ya12:04
inana_16Ask ubuntourist about electronic payments (jelkner)12:04
ubuntouristIt was a question: Do we have a means of accepting electronic payments? I didn't see a need for an agenda item...12:04
jelknerthis was a reminder of something you brought up, ubuntourist 12:05
jelknerok12:05
jelknerACTION never mind12:05
ubuntouristI know it's come up before, I just wanted to know if it had been resolved?12:05
jelknerno12:05
ubuntouristACTION is done12:05
inana_16Alright12:05
inana_16next one: Talk about distribution of patronage and Business Tracker (jelkner)12:05
jelknerok, i've already talked with most of you about this12:06
jelknerbut just for the record12:06
jelknerwe are fast approaching the point where we will need to have heart to heart discussions and add to our operating agreement12:06
jelknerrules on "distribution of patronage"12:07
jelknerthe USFWC is insisting on it12:07
jelknerwe are still flying by the seat of our pants12:07
jelknerso we have a new gig working to get Business Tracker to do what our friends at Agaric need it to do12:07
jelknerSITarabuta is working on that12:08
jelkneri am proposing that instead of the normal 50/50 split we have informally agreed to12:08
jelknerfor this one time, SITarabuta should get all the renumeration for this12:08
jelknermy reasoning is thus12:09
jelknerhe will be spending more time than we could ever charge for the work12:09
jelknerbut it will help us in *very* important ways12:09
jelknerwe will get to work closely with Agaric12:09
jelknerand learn from them how they manage these things12:10
jelknerwe need that mentorship12:10
jelknerand we will have a tool as a result to help us manage our data12:10
jelknerthat's all i've got12:10
ubuntouristDon't patronize me? Patronize me? 😉 I find it all so patronizing. 😉 (meaning #2: to adopt an air of condescension toward : treat haughtily or coolly)12:10
jelknerACTION done12:10
inana_16Great12:11
inana_16so...12:11
inana_16next item: Talk about how the forums app will work (abuchholz)12:11
SITarabutaso me and abuchholz had a very different view of the forums app12:12
SITarabutaand we couldn't come to an agreement12:12
abuchholzmore of an after the meeting question. but I want to talk about how we do forums. I had a very different vision than Stefan and before changing it we wanted to talk to others12:12
abuchholzACTION is done.12:12
SITarabutaso we thought that we should talk to others12:12
abuchholz+112:12
SITarabutaACTION done12:12
inana_16Sure12:12
jelknerlet's have our after meeting discussion on hangout12:13
jelknersince we're all there already12:13
inana_16+112:13
inana_16next item: Taxes? (SITarabuta)12:13
jelknersadly, SITarabuta my eldest son was in no position to discuss this yesterday12:13
SITarabutaso jelkner should talk more about this than me, but what is going on?12:13
SITarabutaokay jelkner12:14
jelknerbut i will put this on my todo list for this week12:14
SITarabutabut i put it here because this is not only for me, i know abuchholz needed some help as well12:14
jelknerand deliver a reasoned reply to you on thrusday12:14
abuchholzyep12:14
jelkneris that ok?12:14
SITarabutasure12:14
abuchholzjust need to forms12:14
SITarabutaACTION done12:14
inana_16next item: Worst practices: "fragile" development and "Unsound Advice" 😉 (ubuntourist)12:14
ubuntouristSo: Sound Advice, to the best of my knowledge is still running reasonably well on the Mac OS X system at Gallaudet.12:15
ubuntouristHowever.12:15
SITarabutaAlso known as macOS now ;-)12:15
ubuntouristMy own hardware and OS have gone through changes, and I'm finding that resurrecting the code is a bit problematic.12:16
ubuntouristAny Docker experts? It looks like I need to go that direction.12:16
SITarabuta*silence*12:16
jelkneri'm proposing abuchholz and zOnny be tasked with this one12:16
abuchholzI know some docker12:16
abuchholzI messed around with it while working on LibreOrganize12:17
jelknerit is our biggest contract12:17
jelknerand it requires onsite visits to Gallaudet12:17
abuchholzI could try I just need to see the source code and be given time12:17
ubuntouristThe Mac was fussy when it came to trying to get Python3 and Qt5 working right. So, I was stuck with Python 2 and Qt4. Now I'm having trouble moving back to that on Ubuntu 20.04.)12:17
jelknerso they are the logical ones to be in charge12:17
jelknerasking for help where they need it12:17
jelknerwe know a docker expert in mattva0112:17
jelknerwe can get help with that12:18
ubuntouristAnyway, probably moving back to an earlier Ubuntu and a container. that's it for that topic. 12:18
ubuntouristACTION is done12:18
inana_16next item: Am I a twit, twitter, or the twittest? 😉 Socially (socialist?) networking. (ubuntourist) 12:18
inana_16:D12:19
SITarabutathat profile picture on twitter is killing me ;)12:19
SITarabutaNEVERMIND, it was cached12:19
ubuntouristBriefly: I've been abusing our Twitter account and trying to make connections to co-ops, and posting a fair amount recently.12:19
ubuntouristDon't know if it will get us anywhere. "It's a dirty job but someone's got to do it" ♫12:20
ubuntouristACTION is done with that...12:20
inana_16That's really great12:21
inana_16thanks ubuntourist 12:21
inana_16So the last item: Plans for this week (Really Brief)12:21
inana_16who wants to start?12:21
jelknerwe can all type at once12:21
jelknerso they come flying in12:22
jelknerthen discuss briefly12:22
inana_16that's the idea12:22
jelkneri'll be working on 1. Taxes 2. NEA4OR 3. PRIMEs training12:22
inana_16 I'll be working on the website design, with Heylin on NOVALACIRO, and some marketing meetings12:23
SITarabutaI will be continuing work on Business Tracker, and helping people with tests; not actual code, more like giving clues ;)12:23
inana_16websites designs*12:23
ubuntouristACTION will be tweeting, twitting, t'whit, and continuing to resurrect Sound Advice on Linux, (and looking a LITTLE at a very cool Javascript alternative to the Python code for Sound Advice).12:24
abuchholzFunctional tests for LibreOrganize | Help Edzon with Unit Tests and Func tests on Business Tracker | Finish the Forums app | Investigating Sound Advice source code12:24
zOnnyI would like to poke with sound advice and get it working in my local machine in order to get familiar with it12:24
ubuntouristzOnny, good luck. 😉12:25
inana_16So I gues GFbot is going to work on some front end issues I found , and continue with the Spanish study group12:25
inana_16guess*12:25
jelknercool12:25
jelknerinana_16, you and i have to check-in regularly on sound advice12:25
inana_16Sure12:26
jelknersince we have to help manage the workflow12:26
jelknerACTION done12:26
inana_16right12:26
inana_16anything to add?12:26
ubuntouristI'll expound on hangout.12:26
inana_16ok12:26
inana_16ACTION Drops the bag of gravel12:26
jelknerThanks, inana_16!12:26
jelkneryou rock12:26
inana_16thank you everyone!12:27
inana_16;) jelkner 12:27
SITarabutaI will also talk about BT later ;)12:27
inana_16https://novawebdevelopment.org/events/25/ DONT FORGET THIS, PLEASE12:27
inana_16also side conversation: https://meet.novawebdevelopment.org/hangout12:27
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SITarabutahttps://gitlab.com/libreorganize/libreorganize-threaded-post12:33
inana_16jelkner, I'm filing some genera issues, later I'm going to focus on design12:53
inana_16general*12:53
jelknerinana_16, can you meet me on planning?12:54
inana_16sure12:54
inana_16https://www.artefactual.com/13:12
inana_16https://www.linkedin.com/company/artefactual-systems/?originalSubdomain=ca13:12
inana_16Accessibility feature on website: https://iww.org/13:21
jelknerCool! Douglas's company looks like a wonderful place to work13:21
inana_16https://userway.org/13:22
inana_16https://userway.org/pricing/widget 13:23
inana_16jelkner13:23
inana_16Doing some research about accessibility , I found this: https://github.com/IBMa/equal-access13:30
inana_16jelkner13:31
inana_16https://www.digitala11y.com/open-source-accessibility-tools/13:35
inana_16jelkner13:35
jelknerubuntourist, you all still in the middle of working?14:35
jelkneri'm participating in a "stress test" for BBB that micky just texted me about14:35
jelknerjust an FYI14:35
jelknertalk later if you're busy14:36
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