IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2020-08-16

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jelknerHappy B'day, Louie!12:43
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inana_16jelkner, I'm filling out the survey now, I'm not sure about one question13:23
inana_16#713:23
jelknerinana_16, put whatever you think best13:50
jelknerthere are no right or wrong answers13:51
inana_16ok13:51
jelknerthe purpose is to find out what we think, know, and believe13:51
jelknerinana_16, save your answers13:51
inana_16yes13:51
jelknerthnx!13:51
jelkner!remind13:51
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jelkner!remind Django study plan for Louie and interns13:52
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jelkner!remind Jelkner's last week full time13:52
LittleBrotherInvalid arguments: No closing quotation.13:52
jelkner!remind Jelkner\'s last week full time13:52
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jelkner!remind Business Tracker presentation at Show and Tell13:53
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inana_16!remind California Rural Legal Assistance Project in partnership with Agaric14:08
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inana_16!remind plans for this week14:27
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inana_16ACTION AWAY14:27
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inana_16HAPPY BDAY! lelkneralfaro ;)14:47
lelkneralfaroinana_16, thank you!!! :)15:03
jelknerHAPPY BIRTHDAY, HIJO!!!15:14
jelkner(aka lelkneralfaro)15:14
lelkneralfarothanks jelkner! aka papi :)15:15
jelknerinana_16, can you please join me on hangout?15:15
inana_16I cant now I'm working with zOnny on the CIDU's issues that we need to deliver today15:17
jelknerok15:17
inana_16since I'm going out, this is the time we need to do that15:17
jelknerinana_16, understood15:17
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inana_16Thanks ;)15:17
jelkneri'll catch up with you tomorrow15:17
inana_16+115:18
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ubuntourist!remind15:33
Django study plan for Louie and interns (jelkner)15:33
Jelkner's last week full time (jelkner)15:33
Business Tracker presentation at Show and Tell (jelkner)15:33
California Rural Legal Assistance Project in partnership with Agaric (inana_16)15:33
plans for this week (inana_16)15:33
jelknerlelkneralfaro, can you meet us on hangout15:34
jelkner?15:34
ubuntourist!remind Any report-back on BCI? Did we all do the survey? etc., etc.15:35
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jelknerlelkneralfaro, i want to introduce you to our interns15:35
jelknerwho are all there now15:35
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inana_16!remind15:40
Django study plan for Louie and interns (jelkner)15:40
Jelkner's last week full time (jelkner)15:40
Business Tracker presentation at Show and Tell (jelkner)15:40
California Rural Legal Assistance Project in partnership with Agaric (inana_16)15:40
plans for this week (inana_16)15:40
Any report-back on BCI? Did we all do the survey? etc., etc. (ubuntourist)15:40
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SITarabuta : abuchholz : amina : PAldea : cmoran : @ubuntourist : zOnny : lelkneralfaro : inana_16 : +jelkner : @mjsir911 : wolcen : @ChanServ16:00
Good afternoon everyone!16:00
It's 16:00 UTC and NOVA Web Development's bi-weekly meeting is starting.16:00
This is the agenda for today:16:00
Django study plan for Louie and interns (jelkner)16:00
Jelkner's last week full time (jelkner)16:00
Business Tracker presentation at Show and Tell (jelkner)16:00
California Rural Legal Assistance Project in partnership with Agaric (inana_16)16:00
plans for this week (inana_16)16:00
Any report-back on BCI? Did we all do the survey? etc., etc. (ubuntourist)16:00
Have a nice day!16:00
inana_16Hello Everyone!16:00
jelknerGood morning!16:00
abuchholzGood Afternoon!16:00
PAldeaMorning!16:00
SITarabutaGood afternoon!16:00
ubuntouristACTION pops open a can...16:00
zOnnyhola16:01
lelkneralfaroHi16:01
SITarabutaIf it's all open, I am excited to say Good evening when I'll be in Europe.16:01
SITarabutas/open/local/16:01
SITarabutawhy did I say open.. o_O16:01
jelknerlet's go, inana_16 16:02
inana_16Alright,16:02
inana_16first item: Django study plan for Louie and interns16:02
jelknerthis we covered in hangout over the previous 30 minutes16:02
jelknerlelkneralfaro, the b'day boy, agreed to coordinate study with interns16:03
jelknerACTION done16:03
inana_16Great!16:03
inana_16next item: Jelkner's last week full time16:03
inana_16ACTION sad about it :(16:03
jelknerinana_16, this is mostly for me and you to deal with16:03
jelknerbtw. next Summer we do it again in Santa Ana! ;-)16:03
jelkneranyway, we will be moving thursday meetings after this week to 20:00 UTC16:04
SITarabutaOh crap. Now the bot can't say "It's 16:00 UTC".16:04
SITarabutaIt's already out of date16:04
jelknerwe are ready16:04
jelknerwe work really well as a coordinated team16:05
jelknerand i'll still dedicate around 16 to 20 hours a week16:05
jelknerbut you'll have to not count on me for monday to friday stuff16:05
jelknerACTION done16:05
inana_16Thanks jelkner 16:06
inana_16Next item: Business Tracker presentation at Show and Tell 16:06
jelknerbig shout out to inana_16 and zOnny 16:06
jelknerwho got a web page up on short notice16:07
jelknerstill needs a bit of tweaking on desktop16:07
jelknerSITarabuta will be demoing BT at Show and Tell next Wednesday16:07
ubuntouristI've been advertising this a bit. I thought about putting out wide (e.g. Twitter), but then, I don't want to overwhelm the regulars on BBB.16:07
jelknerwe should promote this as much as we can16:07
SITarabutaindeed16:07
jelkneri hope that BCI will attend16:08
jelknerACTION done16:08
SITarabutathat is why I am thinking of finally spending those damned $100 Google gave us for "FREE"16:08
jelkner+116:08
SITarabutaofc we are agreeing to donating our soul to the devil - Google16:08
ubuntouristWell, then. Out it will go. (I've already hit Mastodon, Discord, Mattermost, and Scuttlebutt, but they're more marginal than Twitter)16:08
SITarabutabut eh..16:08
SITarabutaScuttlebutt - that sounds interesting...16:09
jelknernot sure how effective Google will be, SITarabuta 16:09
SITarabutajelkner, well.. better than letting it expire I guess16:09
jelknersince our audience is really the cooperative and free software communities16:09
jelknerbut it can't hurt16:09
jelknerso please go ahead16:09
inana_16Do we need business tracker social media or should I create some post on the NWD we have for it?16:09
SITarabuta+116:10
jelknerinana_16, you and ubuntourist have a better sense of that16:10
inana_16Ok16:10
abuchholzits another account 16:10
SITarabutadepends if we have social media for libreorganize inana_16 16:10
inana_16We dont16:10
SITarabutaso don't create another one then16:10
abuchholznot sure why business tracker would be an exception16:10
SITarabutaat least for now, I think16:10
abuchholz+116:10
inana_16but I think it could be something that we can do16:11
inana_16ok16:11
inana_16not now16:11
SITarabuta+116:11
jelknerinana_16, let's talk more tomorrow16:11
ubuntouristMy sense is that we don't have enough non-boring, non-repetitive news to sustain separate accounts for every project.16:11
abuchholz+116:11
inana_16but yeah I'm going to create some design for it as well so we can post it on SM16:11
jelknermy only concern is the overhead ongoing cost16:11
jelknerif you start it, you need to keep it up16:11
SITarabutaubuntourist, best argument - sold16:12
jelknerso be intentional and wise16:12
inana_16+116:12
ubuntouristI say post it whatever under NWD, and tag it with the specifics e.g. #BusinessTracker16:12
jelkner+116:12
inana_16I like that ubuntourist 16:13
inana_16sure16:13
inana_16Ok, next item:16:13
inana_16California Rural Legal Assistance Project in partnership with Agaric16:13
ubuntouristHashtags and links should be enough to drive people in the right direction (as well as "trend" it a bit).16:13
ubuntouristACTION is done16:13
inana_16I'm glad to announce that I'm going to work on this project with Agaric16:14
jelknerawesome!!!16:14
ubuntouristinana_16, Very nice. I wanna hear more about this on hangout, probably.16:14
jelknerinana_16, i'm looking forward to hearing more about it16:14
inana_16We're looking forward to help with the design, Benjamin sent a confirmation that they received the approval16:14
jelknerthis is great on two levels:16:15
jelknerit's the kind of social justice work we want to do16:15
inana_16$27K project16:15
jelknerwe are building our partnership with Agaric further16:15
SITarabutaamazing!16:15
ubuntouristKa-ching! 😉16:15
inana_16the main goal is that zOnny can learn drupal16:16
inana_16so we can market ourselves as a front end team16:16
jelknerwe need that, to continue providing value to Agaric16:16
ubuntouristAh, So we are going down the Drupal road a bit. Been there. Done that.16:16
inana_16an have some collaborations with them16:16
jelknergreat role for zOnny to play, too16:17
inana_16ubuntourist and zOnny you can talk about that right? :D16:17
inana_16+116:17
inana_16I'll be updating you how that goes16:17
inana_16ACTION done16:17
ubuntouristinana_16, Some, yep. Not too hard as I recall -- except package / extension upgrades were a minor PITA.16:18
ubuntourist(PITA = Pain In The Ass)16:18
inana_16Alright,16:19
inana_16Thanks ubuntourist 16:19
inana_16next item: Plans for this week!16:19
inana_16time to share ;)16:19
abuchholzWork on LibreOrganize16:20
jelknerReach out to BCI, finish digital signing16:20
abuchholzEssentially just cleaning things up and working on some issues here and there16:20
ubuntouristI have fantasies about actually learning and maybe even liking test-driven development. Probably the former more than the later. 😉16:21
jelkneryou will like it, ubuntourist 16:21
jelkneri think you really will16:21
SITarabutaDoctestQuiz, more Business Tracker - finishing touches, RAGU - if Susan needs help16:21
lelkneralfaroACTION django django django. maybe try to continue through the postgres book "A Curious Moon" I'm about 1/3 of the way through16:21
ubuntouristThough not really an NWD project per se -- unless jelkner pays me for it 😉 -- I'll use TDD with GASP Qt.16:22
jelknerinana_16, you called the question, what about you?16:22
jelknerLoL16:22
jelknerwe should get APS to pay for it, ubuntourist 16:22
ubuntouristlelkneralfaro, Yeah, I keep meaning to look at that book, since both you and jelkner have brought it up a couple of times.16:23
zOnnyACTION Getting ready for CIDU's deployment and coordinate some merge requests into LO16:23
inana_16Keep reminding members that they need to use BT, CJ Flier, Meeting with Agaric, Deliver contrast Issues regarding CIDU's website, Create a BT video (demo), and some adv16:23
SITarabutabtw inana_16, you were right! There was an issue with Business Tracker and that pesky button. I fixed it ;-)16:23
ubuntouristVideo demo -- Accessibilty: Captions.16:23
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, it's good, it's helped me with my sql work with django, at least in helping me see all the best practices I am not implementing16:24
inana_16ACTION Checking now...16:24
SITarabuta*tick tock, 5 minutes on the clock*16:24
ubuntouristlelkneralfaro, You can be my co-author on "Worst Practices". 😉16:25
inana_16Thanks SITarabuta 16:25
SITarabutaI would like to take part in "The ugly of obfuscation" ubuntourist 16:25
inana_16Last item: Any report-back on BCI? Did we all do the survey? etc., etc.16:25
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, sounds like a plan, good to have a partner at the back of the race.16:25
jelknerubuntourist, and jelkner did16:25
jelknerwhat about the rest of y'all?16:26
SITarabutaI did too, but I am not happy with how it turned out16:26
lelkneralfaroACTION I finished16:26
SITarabutaespecially towards the end16:26
jelkneri really need it by tomorrow16:26
inana_16ACTION Done16:26
lelkneralfarojelkner, we are supposed to send it to you?16:26
jelknerlelkneralfaro, please send me your responses16:26
jelkneryup16:26
lelkneralfarojelkner, +116:26
SITarabutaoh boy..16:26
ubuntouristBTW don't believe jelkner. He's mathematically challenged. 36 questions, not 23. 😉16:26
jelkneryeah, my apologies16:26
jelkneri'm contacting BCI tomorrow16:27
SITarabutaYES THANK YOU! I was so confused when I saw question 24.16:27
jelkneri want to say "we did what you asked already"16:27
lelkneralfarojelkner, was trying to minimize it so that we weren't scared of16:27
inana_16That's exactly what I thought16:27
lelkneralfaro*off16:27
jelknercause we're awesome like that!16:27
jelknerACTION done16:27
SITarabutalelkneralfaro, you know him well ;-)16:27
zOnnyyeah I feel cheated for my co-worker16:27
ubuntouristlelkneralfaro, Sadly it worked. I was conned.16:27
inana_16anything else?16:27
SITarabutazOnny, o_o16:27
SITarabutaACTION done. I am done. SITarabuta is done.16:28
inana_16ACTION Drops the bag of gravel16:28
abuchholzyay16:28
inana_16Yay!16:28
jelknergreat job, inana_16!16:28
inana_16Thanks everyone16:28
jelkneryou got us through a big agenda on time16:28
inana_16Have a great week16:28
SITarabutaAnd as always, no bags of gravel were hurt during the meeting.16:28
inana_16ACTION Going back to work with zOnny on the CIDU's issues16:29
lelkneralfaroACTION away16:32
jelknerACTION logs off to get ready for lelkneralfaro's party17:25
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