| scooper | !genda | 12:27 |
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| jelkner | good day, scooper | 12:30 |
| scooper | Good morning Jeff | 12:30 |
| jelkner | !agenda | 12:30 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 12:30 |
| LittleWebster | Need for an assistant coordinator to aid Spencer (added by jelkner) | 12:30 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss budgeting, accounting, and reporting (added by jelkner) | 12:30 |
| scooper | how was your night??? | 12:30 |
| jelkner | very restful, scooper, thanks for asking, and yours? | 12:31 |
| scooper | Jallah will be here today | 12:31 |
| jelkner | excellent | 12:31 |
| jelkner | and Freena? | 12:31 |
| scooper | yes | 12:31 |
| jelkner | perfect | 12:31 |
| jelkner | Sahnun and I had a great opportunity to talk this morning over our "first face" ;-) | 12:32 |
| scooper | wow | 12:33 |
| scooper | sound good | 12:33 |
| jelkner | so he is prepped on our discussion today | 12:33 |
| scooper | My regards to him | 12:33 |
| shmohamud | yes | 12:33 |
| shmohamud | !agenda | 12:33 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 12:33 |
| LittleWebster | Need for an assistant coordinator to aid Spencer (added by jelkner) | 12:33 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss budgeting, accounting, and reporting (added by jelkner) | 12:33 |
| jelkner | good day, tboimah | 12:34 |
| tboimah | good day to everyone | 12:34 |
| shmohamud | good day everyone | 12:34 |
| dcammue | Good day Jeff | 12:36 |
| jelkner | Good day, dcammue | 12:36 |
| mulbah | Good morning jeff | 12:36 |
| dcammue | How are you? | 12:36 |
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| jelkner | good day, mulbah | 12:37 |
| mulbah | How are you doing | 12:37 |
| jelkner | Good day janet | 12:37 |
| janet | Hi Jeff | 12:37 |
| shmohamud | Good day Mulbah | 12:38 |
| mulbah | Good day shmohamud how are you doing | 12:39 |
| dcammue | Good day shmohamud | 12:40 |
| dcammue | How are you | 12:40 |
| shmohamud | Doing well, thank you for asking :) | 12:40 |
| shmohamud | How are you both doing? | 12:40 |
| dcammue | welcome | 12:40 |
| dcammue | doing fine | 12:41 |
| mulbah | I'm doing good | 12:41 |
| scooper | Jeff | 12:43 |
| jelkner | yes, scooper | 12:43 |
| scooper | I m experieing error why pushing the report to gitea can use the email and cc everyone | 12:44 |
| scooper | error: failed to push some refs to 'origin' | 12:44 |
| scooper | from both repository | 12:45 |
| jelkner | so, scooper, we really need to use the 1:30 to 2 pm daily work sessions to resolve things like that | 12:45 |
| jelkner | one of the reasons i think we need a full time assistant now | 12:45 |
| jelkner | thehedgeh0g or tmickelson are your best resources for resolving that | 12:45 |
| jelkner | we hope tboimah and mulbah will focus on learning these skills | 12:46 |
| scooper | can I try github for now | 12:46 |
| jelkner | shmohamud was talking about how long it took him to learn IT skills | 12:46 |
| jelkner | it's *a lot* of work | 12:46 |
| jelkner | it won't happen overnight | 12:47 |
| jelkner | we need years to become a viable business | 12:47 |
| jelkner | but step-by-step | 12:47 |
| jelkner | we'll get there | 12:47 |
| mulbah | sure | 12:47 |
| scooper | I have some question in that report as well for you...... | 12:47 |
| jelkner | anyway, mulbah and tboimah- you should work with thehedgeh0g and tmickelson to learn git | 12:47 |
| jelkner | shoot, scooper | 12:48 |
| scooper | ok | 12:48 |
| mulbah | Okay | 12:48 |
| scooper | What is the different between the return and print statement? and return only work in a function body?? | 12:48 |
| scooper | and why * return | 12:49 |
| jelkner | so, print sends text to standard output | 12:50 |
| jelkner | question: what do computers do? | 12:50 |
| jelkner | answer: input, storage, processing, out | 12:50 |
| jelkner | output | 12:50 |
| jelkner | sorry | 12:51 |
| jelkner | that's what they do | 12:51 |
| jelkner | if you think about *all* the things computers do, it boils down to those things | 12:51 |
| jelkner | Python's print function is about output | 12:51 |
| jelkner | it sends strings to what is called "standard output" | 12:52 |
| jelkner | or just standard out | 12:52 |
| jelkner | which by default is the computer screeen | 12:52 |
| jelkner | screen | 12:52 |
| jelkner | i won't get into it now, but unix allows you to change where standard out goes | 12:52 |
| jelkner | but for now, let's just think of it as the computer monitor | 12:53 |
| jelkner | the return statement, on the other hand | 12:53 |
| jelkner | is more about processing | 12:53 |
| jelkner | a function "returns" a value to the part of the program that "called" it | 12:53 |
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| jelkner | i can create put examples in our git repo, scooper | 12:55 |
| jelkner | that will be my homework for this weekend | 12:55 |
| scooper | OK I use another method to upload and it work..... | 12:55 |
| scooper | Ok it there now the three files added are, Budget, programmingMenu and Programming.py which is the program | 12:59 |
| LittleWebster | shmohamud : thehedgeh0g : scooper : jelkner : mulbah : janet : dcammue | 13:00 |
| LittleWebster | Tick Tock! | 13:00 |
| LittleWebster | It's 13:00 UTC o'clock and NOVA Web Development's meeting is starting. | 13:00 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for today: | 13:00 |
| LittleWebster | Need for an assistant coordinator to aid Spencer (added by jelkner) | 13:00 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss budgeting, accounting, and reporting (added by jelkner) | 13:00 |
| LittleWebster | Have a nice day, Websters! | 13:00 |
| scooper | shmohamud | 13:02 |
| scooper | how are you doing??? | 13:02 |
| shmohamud | Doing well Scooper | 13:03 |
| shmohamud | How are you? | 13:03 |
| scooper | I m fine | 13:03 |
| scooper | Sorry for the late reply to your mail | 13:03 |
| shmohamud | Good to hear! | 13:03 |
| jelkner | scooper, do you have an ETA (estimated time of arrival) for Freena and Jallah? | 13:03 |
| shmohamud | No worries at all - we'll surely link up this week if you're available. | 13:03 |
| scooper | I m expecting Freena any movement from now | 13:04 |
| scooper | But Jallah give me the assurance that he will connect from home today | 13:04 |
| scooper | since he has a little family issue | 13:04 |
| scooper | Shmohamud did you see my mail yesterday | 13:05 |
| shmohamud | I did. I understand there were some technical difficulties. | 13:06 |
| jelkner | so we can start talking now | 13:06 |
| jelkner | so that tboimah mulbah dcammue and janet can weigh in | 13:06 |
| jelkner | everyone, i put two items on the agenda for today | 13:06 |
| dcammue | Okay, | 13:07 |
| jelkner | and they both relate to the gradual "professionalization" of our project | 13:07 |
| jelkner | the goal from the beginning, which i shared with you in august last year before i left | 13:07 |
| jelkner | and invited you all to join | 13:07 |
| jelkner | is a project to create a worker cooperative business in Monrovia to provide web development services | 13:08 |
| jelkner | to make this possible, we will eventually need all the skills involved in that project | 13:08 |
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| jelkner | including business and management in addition to our core "product skills" - web development and system administration | 13:09 |
| jelkner | our dear leader scooper, who i like to call "the most popular man in Monrovia" ;-) | 13:10 |
| jelkner | has too many responsibilities | 13:10 |
| jelkner | we need to provide him assistance | 13:10 |
| jelkner | or he becomes the bottleneck blocking our progress together | 13:10 |
| jelkner | so he needs and assistant | 13:10 |
| jelkner | someone who can: | 13:10 |
| jelkner | 1. Show up *every* day at our 1:30 to 2 pm meetings | 13:11 |
| jelkner | 2. coordinate communication with the other members of the team | 13:11 |
| jelkner | those are the two most essentail tasks | 13:11 |
| jelkner | but if it is a full time job | 13:12 |
| jelkner | others will emerge as we start the process | 13:12 |
| jelkner | so, i'm hoping we can find such a person now | 13:12 |
| jelkner | what do you all think? | 13:12 |
| scooper | Like I said and continues to say Jeff | 13:13 |
| mulbah | It's cool | 13:13 |
| mulbah | I think that is a great idea | 13:13 |
| scooper | the incoming graduate are the one I think I can really count on | 13:13 |
| scooper | like I told you previously........ they all are very reliable | 13:13 |
| tboimah | That is cool but i suggest we wait ontill June them we all will be free by that time | 13:13 |
| jelkner | tboimah, i hear you | 13:14 |
| jelkner | but that means another month delay | 13:14 |
| jkoleah | Hello everyone | 13:14 |
| jelkner | maybe we have to do that | 13:14 |
| scooper | Since our goal is to select one or two person we have a way of doing selection here | 13:14 |
| jelkner | Good day, jkoleah | 13:14 |
| scooper | welcome jallah | 13:14 |
| shmohamud | Hi Jkoleah | 13:14 |
| jkoleah | how are yoiu doing Jeff? | 13:14 |
| jelkner | i'm really excited we have shmohamud with us | 13:15 |
| scooper | That keep us together without hard feeling | 13:15 |
| jkoleah | how are you doing also shmohamud | 13:15 |
| jelkner | since he can help provide us with the real world industry perspective that help us set our goals | 13:15 |
| jelkner | we talked this morning | 13:15 |
| shmohamud | Doing well jkoleah thanks for asking | 13:15 |
| scooper | But if you insist I have no option Jeff | 13:16 |
| shmohamud | I'm excited to be here jelkner | 13:16 |
| jelkner | he agrees with me that we have a long way to go and need to move with all deliberate speed | 13:16 |
| mulbah | jeff I think what tboimah is saying is true because we will be taking our WASSCE and we will not be having time to come to the lab | 13:16 |
| jkoleah | you're welcome shmohamud | 13:16 |
| jelkner | we obviously can't move faster than we can | 13:16 |
| jelkner | (or like a rocket, we might explode ;-) | 13:16 |
| jelkner | but we need to approach that speed | 13:16 |
| jelkner | if we move too slow, the world will pass us by | 13:17 |
| mulbah | hahaha | 13:17 |
| janet | Exactly | 13:17 |
| jelkner | so, my proposal is this | 13:17 |
| jelkner | we agree to hire someone who is availble now | 13:18 |
| jelkner | and "try them out" | 13:18 |
| jelkner | we are going to run this business democratically | 13:18 |
| jelkner | we will all decide together how to allocate our resources | 13:18 |
| jelkner | and we will succeed or fail together | 13:18 |
| jelkner | (i'm sure we will succeed! ;-) | 13:19 |
| scooper | +1 | 13:19 |
| mulbah | +1 | 13:19 |
| scooper | By God grace | 13:19 |
| tboimah | +1 | 13:19 |
| janet | +1 | 13:19 |
| shmohamud | +2 | 13:19 |
| shmohamud | +1 | 13:19 |
| jkoleah | +1 | 13:19 |
| jelkner | most days of the week thehedgeh0g, tmickelson, and i get on irc at 1:30 pm | 13:19 |
| dcammue | Jeff, I think what tboimah and scooper are saying will be the best for us because we have no time in school only one month left for us. So that will be the best and I support that suggestion. | 13:19 |
| jelkner | and no one is there | 13:19 |
| jelkner | dcammue: yes, i want you to graduate | 13:20 |
| jelkner | that is the top priority | 13:20 |
| jelkner | but we can't wait | 13:20 |
| jelkner | for a whole month and half of wasted opportunity | 13:20 |
| jelkner | by june 7, thehedgeh0g and tmickelson will be leaving for the summer | 13:20 |
| jelkner | they won't come any more | 13:20 |
| jelkner | and we will miss the chance to learn from them | 13:21 |
| scooper | Ok let go with Freena | 13:21 |
| dcammue | So who do you think will be the best for that position | 13:21 |
| jelkner | where is Freena? | 13:21 |
| jelkner | Only Freena and Jallah are available now, yes? | 13:21 |
| jelkner | So we have a few possibilities | 13:22 |
| jelkner | 1. we could choose one of them to try this out | 13:22 |
| jelkner | 2. they could both share the responsibility half time each | 13:22 |
| jelkner | 3. something else i'm not thinking of? | 13:22 |
| jelkner | also, i need guidance from everyone on what the salary should be | 13:23 |
| dcammue | For now you will do the selection and we will support it. | 13:24 |
| shmohamud | 3. Why don't we start by asking the two of them if they're interested | 13:24 |
| dcammue | sure | 13:24 |
| dcammue | we need to do that first | 13:24 |
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| shmohamud | If one of them is not interested, then the problem is solved. If both of them are interested, we can ask them to either work together or decide who it should be. | 13:25 |
| tboimah | the two them can share the responsibility, if one if then not show up the other will be able to show up | 13:26 |
| tboimah | of | 13:26 |
| jelkner | the problem, tboimah, is if none of them show up | 13:27 |
| jelkner | so we need to be clear that our expection would be that one of them is there *every day*! | 13:27 |
| jelkner | so why don't we ask them if they are interested? | 13:28 |
| scooper | If we are using the two of them that mean they have to show up everyday | 13:28 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:28 |
| jelkner | so let's ask jkoleah | 13:28 |
| scooper | skipping day will affect our progress still | 13:28 |
| jelkner | what do you think of this, jkoleah? | 13:28 |
| tboimah | that can be posible the two of them will sat and plan it better, i don't think the two of them will have the same busy time | 13:29 |
| jkoleah | I'm interested Jeff | 13:30 |
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| jelkner | jkoleah: can you make it to MCSS office each day and be there at 1:30 pm when we have our daily meeting? | 13:30 |
| scooper | Jeff | 13:31 |
| jelkner | scooper | 13:31 |
| mulbah | been interested is that you should be able to come everyday to the lab ooo | 13:31 |
| scooper | is this the plan we talked about | 13:31 |
| jelkner | do you think it isn't scooper? | 13:31 |
| scooper | only showing up by 1:30 and end 2 | 13:31 |
| jelkner | no | 13:32 |
| scooper | the plan was full time | 13:32 |
| jelkner | yes | 13:32 |
| jelkner | sorry, scooper | 13:32 |
| scooper | But I m seeming only 1:30 | 13:32 |
| jelkner | i did not mean to imply that was the only task at all | 13:32 |
| jelkner | but it is crucial | 13:32 |
| jelkner | since we are mainly loosing opportunity now because no one is there most of the time to work with the mentors during that time | 13:33 |
| scooper | Secondly I they transitioning from Python to Sys Admin | 13:33 |
| jelkner | who is transitioning? | 13:33 |
| jelkner | i'm confused | 13:33 |
| scooper | because we want someone who will use they system admin skill learn from Aaron and Tmickeson | 13:34 |
| scooper | right??? | 13:34 |
| scooper | *their | 13:34 |
| jelkner | ah, i see your point | 13:34 |
| jelkner | great question, scooper | 13:34 |
| jelkner | but it isn't as much of problem as you think | 13:34 |
| jelkner | we will *all* need to learn a little bit about all these related skills | 13:35 |
| jelkner | even though we will specialize in the ones that interest us the most | 13:35 |
| jelkner | every python programmer needs to understand the basicis of configuring python applications | 13:35 |
| jelkner | which involves some system administration | 13:35 |
| jelkner | so, while the sys admins will take on the task of setting up a gitea server, for example | 13:36 |
| jelkner | we all need to learn how to use it | 13:36 |
| jelkner | in reccent conversations with thehedgeh0g and tmickelson | 13:37 |
| jelkner | i identified learning git as the primary task | 13:37 |
| jelkner | since we will be using our gitea host for most of our communication | 13:37 |
| shmohamud | I can help teach git in addition to thehedgeh0g and tmickelson | 13:37 |
| jelkner | so we need people who understand: | 13:37 |
| scooper | Though we will learn this system admin skill our goal is to learn from Aaron and Tmicker before they leave us right??? | 13:37 |
| jelkner | 1. ssh key generation and authentication | 13:38 |
| scooper | Thanks shmohamud | 13:38 |
| jelkner | 2. markdown | 13:38 |
| jelkner | 3. basic git workflow | 13:38 |
| shmohamud | you're welcome scooper | 13:38 |
| jelkner | those are the things that have been blocking us the most recently, scooper | 13:38 |
| scooper | Got you | 13:38 |
| jelkner | your questions, for example, have mostly been about not being able to manage commits | 13:39 |
| jelkner | we need folks on your side of the pond, as the brits say, to know how to do that | 13:39 |
| jelkner | does that answer your question, scooper | 13:40 |
| jelkner | ? | 13:40 |
| jelkner | jkoleah is learning python | 13:40 |
| jelkner | you can't be a python developer without knowing git workflow | 13:40 |
| jelkner | so this isn't "switching focus" | 13:40 |
| jelkner | just using the available opportunity - thehedgeh0g and tmickelson's availblility - to our best advantage | 13:41 |
| jelkner | make sense, scooper? | 13:41 |
| scooper | Yes Sir | 13:41 |
| tboimah | we that sound good because we all need a full start web developer | 13:41 |
| jelkner | so that brings us back to the main discussion | 13:41 |
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| jelkner | yes, tboimah full stack is what we want to be! | 13:42 |
| tboimah | yes | 13:42 |
| tboimah | +1 | 13:42 |
| jelkner | so, if Freena coming? | 13:42 |
| jelkner | we need her to conclude this discussion | 13:43 |
| jelkner | right? | 13:43 |
| tboimah | she is in trafic Jeff | 13:43 |
| jelkner | got it | 13:43 |
| jelkner | while we wait for her | 13:43 |
| jelkner | i need help from you all | 13:43 |
| mulbah | okay | 13:43 |
| jelkner | what is a fair and just salary for this based on Monrovia norms? | 13:43 |
| jelkner | in other words, how much should this position pay? | 13:44 |
| jelkner | we will have conversations like this a lot in the years ahead | 13:44 |
| jelkner | we'll start with what is fair and just | 13:44 |
| jelkner | and also look at our ability to pay | 13:44 |
| jelkner | what are our available resources? | 13:44 |
| jelkner | then we will work to arrive at a plan | 13:45 |
| jelkner | i can't do this | 13:45 |
| jelkner | you all know, i don't | 13:45 |
| jelkner | speak up, my dear friends, what do you think? | 13:46 |
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| scooper | Jeff | 13:47 |
| scooper | will this person be pay from our budget | 13:47 |
| jelkner | scooper, at least partly | 13:47 |
| svaye | Are we going to pay the person from the monthly budget? | 13:48 |
| jelkner | that comes down to availble resources | 13:48 |
| shmohamud | What does the average teacher make per month in Monrovia? | 13:48 |
| jelkner | svaye, i'm glad you asked that | 13:48 |
| shmohamud | Or more specifically, private tutor salary per month | 13:48 |
| jelkner | because that is the 2nd item on our agenda | 13:48 |
| scooper | base on qualification | 13:49 |
| shmohamud | What are our available resources, total resources, not just to allocate to paying this salary? | 13:49 |
| jelkner | great, shmohamud and svaye | 13:50 |
| jelkner | let's take a few minutes to talk about agenda item number 2 | 13:50 |
| shmohamud | +1 | 13:50 |
| jelkner | Discuss budgeting, accounting, and reporting | 13:51 |
| shmohamud | Maybe we should appoint someone in this group to be our chief financial officer? | 13:51 |
| jelkner | at present, i am sending $650 per monthy | 13:51 |
| jelkner | month | 13:51 |
| shmohamud | Who is responsible for doling out salaries and paying bills? | 13:52 |
| jelkner | that is our monthly budget | 13:52 |
| scooper | scooper | 13:52 |
| jelkner | we want to increase our monthly budget | 13:52 |
| jelkner | this summer i plan to launch a non-profit organization, Social Justice Computing | 13:53 |
| jelkner | in part so that other folks can support our effort | 13:53 |
| jelkner | and increase our budget | 13:53 |
| jelkner | in the short term, you all might be able to negotiate with me to increase our budget now | 13:54 |
| scooper | Jeff thanks for the input | 13:54 |
| jelkner | not a lot, since i can't afford it | 13:54 |
| jelkner | but perhaps a bit | 13:54 |
| jelkner | i want you to negotiate with e | 13:54 |
| jelkner | me | 13:54 |
| jelkner | what am i getting for that $650 per month? | 13:54 |
| shmohamud | Do we have a breakdown of our current expenses? Like how the existing 650 is being spent | 13:54 |
| jelkner | you know my motivation, i want to change the world ;-) | 13:54 |
| jelkner | is that happening? | 13:55 |
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| jelkner | are we moving toward creating a group that can positively impact the future of Liberia? | 13:55 |
| jelkner | what are we doing each month with the amount i send now? | 13:55 |
| jelkner | it's time we had some reportingt | 13:55 |
| jelkner | reporting | 13:55 |
| shmohamud | +1 | 13:55 |
| jelkner | a monthly report | 13:55 |
| jelkner | here is what came in | 13:56 |
| jelkner | here is where it went | 13:56 |
| jelkner | we all need access to that | 13:56 |
| scooper | Please paste the gitea link so every body can view | 13:56 |
| jelkner | we are building a democratic business | 13:56 |
| jelkner | so we all get a say | 13:56 |
| shmohamud | +1 | 13:56 |
| scooper | https://git.mcssliberia.org/python-team/PythonStudy.git | 13:57 |
| jelkner | if you can start producing a monthly financial report for me, i bet svaye could persuade me to up the amount a bit ;-) | 13:57 |
| shmohamud | +1 | 13:57 |
| jelkner | so do we want to decide now or next week? | 13:57 |
| jelkner | if you think you all need more time to discuss this locally, we can wait a week | 13:58 |
| jelkner | to give you the time you need to process | 13:58 |
| jelkner | it's 10 o'clock our time, friends | 13:59 |
| jelkner | let shmohamud and me know what to do | 13:59 |
| shmohamud | +1 | 14:00 |
| scooper | please rephrase the question | 14:00 |
| shmohamud | Do we want to decide who and how to prepare a monthly financial report? | 14:00 |
| jkoleah_ | Jeff | 14:00 |
| shmohamud | Now or next week? | 14:00 |
| jelkner | jkoleah | 14:01 |
| scooper | with the present budget??? | 14:01 |
| jelkner | yes! | 14:01 |
| jelkner | i have no idea how the $650 i send each month gets spent | 14:01 |
| svaye | I think it will be better if we discuss now shmohamud | 14:01 |
| scooper | The link I send you has it all | 14:02 |
| scooper | Jeff | 14:02 |
| shmohamud | ok svaye | 14:02 |
| scooper | in a markdown file called budget | 14:02 |
| jkoleah_ | So I'm to be at the office from morning to evening everyday right? | 14:02 |
| shmohamud | Has anyone here taken an accounting course? | 14:02 |
| jelkner | awesome | 14:02 |
| jelkner | scooper: that is a great idea | 14:02 |
| shmohamud | +1 | 14:03 |
| jelkner | svaye: i'm not sure what step to take next | 14:03 |
| jelkner | scooper has a proposal to put our monthly expense report on our git repo in markdown | 14:04 |
| scooper | Jeff if assistant will be pay them you need to have some consideration on me | 14:04 |
| jelkner | i love that idea, because: | 14:04 |
| scooper | because I too work tireless to make this happen | 14:04 |
| jelkner | 1. it will be public, so that all our future funders can know what they are helping with | 14:04 |
| jelkner | 2. it will help us learn the skills we are focusing on | 14:04 |
| jelkner | scooper: +1 | 14:05 |
| jelkner | i've said that for a long time | 14:05 |
| jelkner | i totally agree | 14:05 |
| shmohamud | scooper +1 | 14:05 |
| jelkner | you all need to decide that together | 14:05 |
| jelkner | svaye: you can help with the discussion | 14:05 |
| scooper | I been tapping from the 650 budget that on a monthly basis right, it is not support to be that way | 14:05 |
| jelkner | i'm picking on you because you spoke up, which is great | 14:05 |
| jelkner | you all have to think about this together if we are going to be successful | 14:06 |
| jelkner | this will be a common story for us | 14:06 |
| jelkner | we have needs, and we have resources | 14:06 |
| jelkner | how do we most effectively use our limited resources to most effectively address our needs | 14:06 |
| jelkner | in a way that helps us thrive into the future | 14:06 |
| jelkner | so, svaye, do you all want to disucss this locally and talk about it next week? | 14:07 |
| jelkner | or do you think we can do here and now? | 14:07 |
| jelkner | if here and now, you need to start throwing out some numbers | 14:07 |
| scooper | for let discuss right now | 14:07 |
| scooper | for * me | 14:08 |
| svaye | Jeff I think we should discuss it now and be done with it | 14:08 |
| svaye | Everyone can give their point of view | 14:08 |
| jelkner | that sounds great, svaye | 14:08 |
| jelkner | so, what is a fair, just, and reasonable salary? | 14:09 |
| fkoikoi | Hi Jeff, sorry I'm late | 14:09 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi: we heard about the traffic | 14:09 |
| jelkner | glad you could make it | 14:09 |
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| shmohamud | Hi fkoikoi glad you could join us | 14:11 |
| fkoikoi | Yes, how are you? | 14:12 |
| jkoleah__ | Jeff, I asked a question and you haven't response yet | 14:12 |
| shmohamud | Good good fkoikoi | 14:13 |
| jelkner | sorry jkoleah__ | 14:13 |
| jelkner | i don't see the question | 14:13 |
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| jelkner | svaye: it doesn't look like anyone has any numbers to suggest | 14:14 |
| jelkner | without that, we are stuck | 14:14 |
| jelkner | so maybe we need to wait until next week? | 14:14 |
| jelkner | and you can come with numbers in mind? | 14:14 |
| scooper | What it's Jeff | 14:14 |
| jelkner | or, can you start now? | 14:14 |
| shmohamud | +1 next week with numbers in mind | 14:15 |
| scooper | The question will I be include why my assistance get pay??? | 14:15 |
| svaye | Thomas is writing something | 14:15 |
| tboimah | scooper from the budget i am seeing 100USD For Spare parts and workmanship for the generator so i am getting confuss can you explain it better | 14:15 |
| scooper | Ok | 14:15 |
| jelkner | tboimah: where are you seeing the budget? | 14:16 |
| tboimah | is that every month | 14:16 |
| scooper | Ok | 14:16 |
| tboimah | from the link scooper send | 14:16 |
| scooper | January we had | 14:16 |
| scooper | a Damage generator which I told you about | 14:16 |
| tboimah | https://git.mcssliberia.org/python-team/PythonStudy/src/branch/main/Budget.md | 14:16 |
| scooper | and you inform me to go ahead let you know what the cost is | 14:17 |
| svaye | Jeff this is the link Scooper sent https://git.mcssliberia.org/python-team/PythonStudy.git | 14:17 |
| scooper | so I spent 100 on the generator starter, another item that is reponsible to send current and the guy workmanship | 14:18 |
| jelkner | ok, this is great | 14:18 |
| jelkner | i didn't know this existed | 14:18 |
| scooper | What | 14:18 |
| jelkner | we are in much better shape | 14:18 |
| jelkner | scooper, i am going to edit this | 14:19 |
| jelkner | to put the new stuff on top | 14:19 |
| scooper | I told you before and you even recommend to me if the need being of buying another generator wihtin our budget | 14:19 |
| jelkner | and the old stuff on the bottom | 14:19 |
| jelkner | i'll work on that on monday | 14:19 |
| jelkner | but now we have numbers | 14:19 |
| jelkner | my understanding is that a full time teacher earns about $200 per month | 14:19 |
| jelkner | that's what the Supe told me | 14:20 |
| tboimah | but in the budget i am seeing january to present 100Usd for generator that is why i am asking | 14:20 |
| scooper | 240 with 10000LD | 14:20 |
| jelkner | so, we need to talk about what a full time assistant should earn | 14:20 |
| scooper | NO It 240 plus 10000LD | 14:20 |
| jelkner | oh, ok | 14:21 |
| jelkner | got you | 14:21 |
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| jelkner | that is good data to help frame our discussion | 14:21 |
| scooper | Actually it 375 when tax deduction take place it reduce to 240USD Plus 10000 | 14:21 |
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| jelkner | ok, that is most helpful, scooper | 14:22 |
| jelkner | now, what does a full time person make hawing Orange and Lonestar data? | 14:22 |
| jelkner | or driving a Keke? | 14:22 |
| jelkner | s/hawing/hawking | 14:22 |
| jelkner | meaning selling | 14:23 |
| scooper | keke rider, excluding gasoline keke rider make 3500LD it equivalent is 20.00USD | 14:24 |
| jelkner | per month? | 14:25 |
| svaye | Per day | 14:25 |
| jelkner | ah | 14:25 |
| jelkner | that's $400 per month | 14:25 |
| jelkner | more than a teacher! | 14:25 |
| scooper | yes business pay then teaching | 14:26 |
| jelkner | so scooper, help me understand what we should pay for a full time assistant | 14:26 |
| jelkner | i asked these questions to give some context | 14:27 |
| jelkner | i need to leave in 30 minutes | 14:27 |
| jelkner | so let's see how far we can get by then | 14:27 |
| jelkner | scooper: do you have a proposal? | 14:28 |
| scooper | yes | 14:28 |
| jelkner | then we can ask the rest of the group what they think about it | 14:28 |
| jelkner | please, scooper, present your proposal | 14:28 |
| svaye | janet freena and i agree on $100USD per month | 14:28 |
| jelkner | i like that, svaye | 14:28 |
| jelkner | that seems very reasonable | 14:29 |
| scooper | 150 for assistant and 250 for me... that mean I m my assist will not touch the interns pay | 14:29 |
| shmohamud | +1 scooper | 14:29 |
| jelkner | good, we are getting somewhere | 14:29 |
| jelkner | svaye: let's review some history before we decide | 14:30 |
| mulbah | sure | 14:30 |
| svaye | +1 | 14:30 |
| jelkner | i originally proposed $100 back when we started | 14:30 |
| jelkner | you can see that in the budget scooper just shared | 14:30 |
| jelkner | but the understanding was that folks would put in 20 hours per week *in the lab* | 14:31 |
| jelkner | they could not | 14:31 |
| jelkner | and did not | 14:31 |
| jelkner | that slowed us down | 14:31 |
| jelkner | since the only way to develop our skills is with a lot of time | 14:31 |
| jelkner | so i like scooper's proposal | 14:31 |
| jelkner | scooper is already putting in the time | 14:31 |
| jelkner | the assistant would have to do the same | 14:32 |
| jelkner | if they don't show up | 14:32 |
| jelkner | we should not pay them | 14:32 |
| jelkner | we need them in the lab, putting in the time to learn, and helping us with the things we need | 14:32 |
| jelkner | so here is my proposal | 14:32 |
| jelkner | between now and august, that means for may, june, and july | 14:33 |
| jelkner | i will up our budget to $800 per month | 14:33 |
| dcammue | I'm going out of current Jeff | 14:33 |
| jelkner | only for those three months | 14:33 |
| dcammue | anytime from now | 14:33 |
| jelkner | if we go with scoopers proposal | 14:33 |
| jelkner | dcammue? | 14:34 |
| jelkner | got you, dcammue | 14:34 |
| jelkner | we can finish this next saturday | 14:34 |
| jelkner | but may 1 is monday | 14:34 |
| mulbah | jeff i want to ask you how are we doing the certificate test for august | 14:34 |
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| dcammue | so may first the person needs to start? | 14:35 |
| jkoleah_ | Jeff | 14:35 |
| jelkner | jkoleah_ | 14:35 |
| jelkner | dcammue: +1 | 14:36 |
| jelkner | or, we can delay a week | 14:36 |
| jelkner | and decide next saturday | 14:36 |
| jkoleah_ | Is it I and Freena needs to be at the office everyday from morning to evening? | 14:36 |
| jelkner | and they can start may 8 | 14:36 |
| jelkner | if you want the job, jkoleah_ | 14:36 |
| jelkner | that's what we are discussing | 14:36 |
| jkoleah_ | okay | 14:37 |
| jelkner | so to be clear, here is scooper's proposal | 14:38 |
| jelkner | with my addendum | 14:38 |
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| jelkner | We up the monthly budget to $800 for may, june, and july | 14:38 |
| jelkner | (to be reevaluated after that) | 14:38 |
| jelkner | 2. Scooper will draw a salary of $250 and the assistant a salary of $150 from that amount | 14:39 |
| jelkner | that means half will go to the two full time jobs | 14:39 |
| jelkner | with the rest divided up to meet other needs | 14:39 |
| jelkner | so, that's the proposal | 14:40 |
| jelkner | what to people think? | 14:40 |
| shmohamud | +1 | 14:40 |
| scooper | Can we conclude next week | 14:40 |
| jelkner | yes | 14:40 |
| jelkner | i think that is best | 14:40 |
| scooper | or tomorrow at this time | 14:40 |
| jelkner | since you all need to be united | 14:40 |
| jelkner | we don't want angry members | 14:41 |
| jelkner | so you disucss this during the week | 14:41 |
| jelkner | scooper: i will delay this months payment until next saturday | 14:41 |
| svaye | Jeff almost everyone laptop is down so I think it will be better if we discuss this next week | 14:41 |
| jelkner | +1 | 14:41 |
| jelkner | see you next week | 14:41 |
| scooper | +1 | 14:41 |
| svaye | Take care Jeff | 14:41 |
| jelkner | you too, svaye | 14:42 |
| svaye | And have a blessed weekend | 14:42 |
| jelkner | thanks for your help! | 14:42 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off | 14:42 |
| shmohamud | Have a blessed week everyone | 14:42 |
| jkoleah_ | Have a great weekend Jeff | 14:42 |
| shmohamud | ACTION signs off | 14:42 |
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| svaye | Have a blessed weekend shmohamud | 14:42 |
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