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| jelkner | Good afternoon scooper and mulbah! | 12:47 |
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| scooper | Good morning Jeff | 12:47 |
| mulbah | Good morning jef | 12:48 |
| scooper | how are you doing this morning | 12:48 |
| jelkner | ready to plan, scooper | 12:48 |
| scooper | yes | 12:48 |
| mulbah | How you and your family doing jeff | 12:48 |
| scooper | sorry for not replying to your mail yesterday | 12:48 |
| jelkner | btw. https won't work for me | 12:48 |
| jelkner | i have to enter my password each time | 12:49 |
| scooper | But I when thought it | 12:49 |
| scooper | hmmm | 12:49 |
| jelkner | i think it is because i'm using the cli | 12:49 |
| jelkner | you must be using vscode? | 12:49 |
| scooper | but way | 12:49 |
| jelkner | i don't use any gui tools | 12:49 |
| jelkner | just cli | 12:49 |
| scooper | I try it but it only asked me for user name and password once | 12:50 |
| jelkner | from the cli? | 12:50 |
| scooper | yes | 12:50 |
| scooper | and vscode too | 12:50 |
| jelkner | anyway, i'll ask my friend matt about that | 12:50 |
| jelkner | but for now, i will continue to use ssh | 12:50 |
| jelkner | which always works | 12:50 |
| scooper | vscode work | 12:51 |
| scooper | cli work too | 12:51 |
| jelkner | i hear you | 12:51 |
| fkoikoi | Good morning Jeff | 12:51 |
| jelkner | but not for me | 12:51 |
| scooper | hmmmm | 12:51 |
| scooper | sound strange..... | 12:51 |
| jelkner | not at all | 12:51 |
| jelkner | if it works, it means your "secrets" are being stored somewhere | 12:52 |
| jelkner | since we don't know where they are being stored, i can't predict the behavior | 12:52 |
| jelkner | with ssh, i understand the process | 12:52 |
| jelkner | 1. you put your public key on the server | 12:53 |
| jelkner | 2. you have your private key | 12:53 |
| jelkner | authentication is confirmed using "private key cryptography" | 12:53 |
| jelkner | anyway, i'll stick to that | 12:53 |
| jelkner | but if it's working for you, keep doing https | 12:53 |
| scooper | When I first clone a directory from the remote server | 12:54 |
| jelkner | when i teach students, i'll tell them about ssh, since i can reliably reproduce the behavior i want | 12:54 |
| scooper | and add folder or files when pushing for the first time | 12:54 |
| scooper | It when I being asked for user credentials | 12:55 |
| scooper | after ward I don't experience addition request for user credentials | 12:55 |
| dcammue | Good day to you Jeff. | 12:56 |
| tboimah | Good day Jeff | 12:56 |
| jelkner | Good afternoon all! | 12:59 |
| scooper | Good morning Jeff | 12:59 |
| LittleWebster | tboimah : thehedgeh0g : scooper : jelkner : mulbah : janet : fkoikoi : dcammue | 13:00 |
| LittleWebster | Tick Tock! | 13:00 |
| LittleWebster | It's 13:00 UTC o'clock and NOVA Web Development's meeting is starting. | 13:00 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for today: | 13:00 |
| LittleWebster | Resume discussion of Summer plan and schedule (added by jelkner) | 13:00 |
| LittleWebster | Have a nice day, Websters! | 13:00 |
| jelkner | Great, let's get started | 13:00 |
| dcammue | Good morning Jeff | 13:00 |
| jelkner | you are all near the end of your exams, yes? | 13:00 |
| jelkner | next Saturday, you'll be graduates! | 13:00 |
| jelkner | is that true? | 13:00 |
| tboimah | +1 | 13:01 |
| jelkner | excellet | 13:01 |
| jelkner | i hope the exams are going well for everyone | 13:01 |
| tboimah | yeah thanks God | 13:01 |
| jelkner | so, we only have one agenda item this morning | 13:01 |
| jelkner | finishing our discussion of our Summer plan | 13:01 |
| jelkner | which begins next week | 13:01 |
| jelkner | my last day at work for this school year is June 16 | 13:02 |
| jelkner | my wife and i will be traveling from June 17 to June 23 | 13:03 |
| jelkner | i begin teaching a Summer class at the community college on June 26 | 13:03 |
| jelkner | the PRIME interns begin working with me July 10 | 13:03 |
| jelkner | and I start back at APS for the new school year on August 17 | 13:04 |
| jelkner | so we need to plan what we are going to do between now and August 17 | 13:04 |
| jelkner | we will need a new plan once the school year starts | 13:04 |
| jelkner | there are two main questions to answer: | 13:05 |
| scooper | If you done kindly allow me to submit my view??? | 13:05 |
| jelkner | please, scooper | 13:05 |
| jelkner | it's not my show ;-) | 13:05 |
| jelkner | take it away | 13:05 |
| scooper | Finish first Jeff | 13:05 |
| jelkner | ok, i was going to finish with the "framing questions" | 13:06 |
| jelkner | 1. How do we best organize our human resources (ourselves, in other words), so that we can increase our collective skills as fast as we can? | 13:06 |
| jelkner | 2. How do we organize our time (a related, but particular question) so that we can work together? | 13:07 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 13:07 |
| scooper | Thanks Jeff | 13:07 |
| scooper | I m in | 13:08 |
| scooper | Firstly by visiting the lab or increasing our time toward constant practices | 13:09 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:09 |
| scooper | Two: By demonstrating what was learned from the book in the lab, since we have a whole lab to experiment with | 13:09 |
| jelkner | +2 ;-) | 13:10 |
| jelkner | scooper, let's talk in more detail about that | 13:11 |
| scooper | By posting frequent question in our gitea if we had a situation that was not resolve or solve doing our practices | 13:11 |
| mulbah | I think we can by spending more time to computer because we will not be in school and you helping us of the thing that will be giving us hard time and teaching us with voice not just only texting | 13:11 |
| scooper | Last Jeff | 13:11 |
| scooper | Last Jeff | 13:12 |
| scooper | Lastly Jeff I recommend: | 13:12 |
| scooper | That you ask Cole to schedule time with out Sys Admin team | 13:12 |
| scooper | Just the same way Shanun is always online with us by keeping us on our toes | 13:13 |
| jelkner | I can ask Kevin | 13:13 |
| jelkner | i bet he would enjoy that | 13:13 |
| scooper | Will this I strongly believe it will definitely help our Sysadmin team... before from the look of the future there is alot need to be learn and the only way | 13:14 |
| jelkner | scooper, the sys admin team needs to learn to use the lab as their "playground" | 13:15 |
| jelkner | only when they feel comfortable doing that will they break out | 13:15 |
| jelkner | and move forward fast | 13:15 |
| jelkner | you have *a lot* of available resources | 13:15 |
| jelkner | but you need to learn to use them | 13:15 |
| jelkner | scooper, can we back up and talk in more detail please? | 13:16 |
| scooper | ok | 13:16 |
| scooper | +1 | 13:16 |
| jelkner | about our financial resources... | 13:16 |
| scooper | +1 | 13:17 |
| jelkner | it looks like APS will ask me to teach an extra class next year | 13:17 |
| jelkner | that means i can keep sending $800 per month during the next school year | 13:17 |
| jelkner | but, we need more than that! | 13:17 |
| jelkner | i want to say how happy i am with having fkoikoi at work each day! | 13:18 |
| jelkner | this is now a job for her | 13:18 |
| jelkner | that is our goal | 13:18 |
| jelkner | we need to do the math | 13:18 |
| jelkner | and make our business plan | 13:18 |
| jelkner | how many of you want to do what fkoikoi is doing - make this your job? | 13:18 |
| jelkner | how much will that cost? | 13:18 |
| jelkner | how do we work toward being able to bring in the revenue we need? | 13:19 |
| jelkner | we can't answer all these questions now | 13:19 |
| jelkner | and the immediate steps that scooper presented are what we need to focus on now | 13:19 |
| jelkner | i am working on keeping nova web development going at the same time we are working in monrovia | 13:20 |
| jelkner | the goal, as i have said from the beginning, is for you to develop the skills you need to take over most of the paid work that nova web development currently has | 13:21 |
| jelkner | that will produce the revenue we need for a successful business in monrovia | 13:21 |
| jelkner | but you need *a lot* more skills | 13:21 |
| jelkner | so we need to focus on getting them | 13:21 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 13:21 |
| jelkner | thoughts? | 13:22 |
| shmohamud | +1 | 13:23 |
| scooper | go ahead programmer | 13:23 |
| jelkner | scooper, how are you going to make do with only $800 now that everyone is graduated and looking for a job? | 13:23 |
| shmohamud | lol I meant I am following and thot was a helpful breakdown of questions we're facing | 13:23 |
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| jelkner | question: how many of you want to do what fkoikoi is doing - have this be your full time job at $150 per month, if we could afford it? | 13:25 |
| dcammue | me / me | 13:26 |
| jelkner | thanks, dcammue! | 13:26 |
| jelkner | anyone else? | 13:26 |
| tboimah | I'm in | 13:26 |
| tboimah | yes I'm in | 13:26 |
| jelkner | that's 2 | 13:27 |
| mulbah | i'm in to | 13:27 |
| jelkner | 3 | 13:27 |
| mulbah | i'm in too | 13:27 |
| jelkner | i just counted you, mulbah ;-) | 13:28 |
| mulbah | okay | 13:28 |
| jelkner | alright, we can talk about this again next week | 13:28 |
| jelkner | here is why i am asking | 13:28 |
| jelkner | i mentioned to you earlier that i will have 5 full time interns during the month of july | 13:28 |
| jelkner | one of our top goals will be to get "Social Justice Computing" established as what we call in the US a 501(c)3 non-profit organization | 13:29 |
| jelkner | when we have that, we can apply for grants | 13:29 |
| jelkner | and ask for other folks to contribute to our effort | 13:29 |
| jelkner | so we need to begin to think of what are budget is | 13:30 |
| jelkner | so we can state clearly what we are asking for and what we intend to use it for | 13:30 |
| jelkner | scooper, shmohamud, and fkoikoi, this should be our job for now | 13:31 |
| jelkner | the rest of the folks need to focus 100% on skills building | 13:31 |
| jelkner | so, last question for today - when should we hold our weekly meeting during the Summer - Saturday or Friday? | 13:32 |
| scooper | Saturday if it's inline with your schedule Jeff | 13:32 |
| jelkner | i can do either | 13:32 |
| scooper | Saturday for me | 13:33 |
| jelkner | the only reason i'm asking is that i thought friday would be easier since MCSS is open | 13:33 |
| jelkner | but if saturday works for you | 13:33 |
| jelkner | let's keep saturday | 13:33 |
| scooper | Saturday is a quit day it MCSS | 13:33 |
| jelkner | it will need to be saturday after august 17 in any case | 13:33 |
| jelkner | everyone agree? | 13:33 |
| shmohamud | +1 | 13:34 |
| fkoikoi | +1 | 13:34 |
| scooper | It is opinion oooo | 13:34 |
| tboimah | +1 | 13:34 |
| scooper | *my | 13:34 |
| janet | +1 | 13:34 |
| jelkner | mulbah? | 13:34 |
| mulbah | +1 | 13:35 |
| dcammue | +1 | 13:35 |
| jelkner | it's unanimous | 13:35 |
| jelkner | done | 13:35 |
| jelkner | we keep meeting saturdays as usual | 13:35 |
| mulbah | okay | 13:35 |
| jelkner | that means we don't need to reprogram LittleWebster | 13:35 |
| jelkner | that's nice | 13:35 |
| mulbah | sure | 13:35 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi: can i ask you to be the chair of our meeting next week? | 13:36 |
| fkoikoi | Sure | 13:36 |
| jelkner | awesome | 13:36 |
| jelkner | so you need to: | 13:36 |
| jelkner | 1. talk with scooper, shmohamud, and jelkner during the week to plan the agenda | 13:36 |
| jelkner | 2. add items to the agenda using LittleWebster | 13:37 |
| jelkner | 3. lead the discussion when the meeting starts next week | 13:37 |
| jelkner | those are your tasks for the coming week | 13:37 |
| fkoikoi | alright | 13:37 |
| jelkner | anything else to discuss today? | 13:38 |
| fkoikoi | Jeff can I say something about the questions you ask when we first started the meeting? | 13:38 |
| jelkner | please | 13:38 |
| fkoikoi | I think with Jeff, shmohamud, and tmickelson around we can work on our skills faster | 13:40 |
| fkoikoi | because you all are always willing and ready to share your ideas with others | 13:41 |
| jelkner | keep in mind that tmickelson may not be regularly available during the Summer | 13:41 |
| jelkner | they'll be back on august 28 | 13:41 |
| jelkner | but we are hoping kevin cole can fill in during that time | 13:42 |
| jelkner | i'll ask him | 13:42 |
| fkoikoi | and make sure that people can learn something from you guys. if you can just have two of Jeff and shmohamud here and by us focusing on our studies and practicing more than we can move faster | 13:42 |
| jelkner | actually, fkoikoi, we need to constantly strive to make the learning community in Monrovia self-sustaining | 13:43 |
| jelkner | I have a dream that three years from now i will be asking you to mentor my students here | 13:44 |
| jelkner | since you will be professionals working in the business | 13:44 |
| jelkner | so for now, yes, we need to be available to help | 13:44 |
| jelkner | but we need to teach you how to use the Internet and your own initiative to figure things out | 13:45 |
| fkoikoi | okay | 13:45 |
| scooper | Lastly before fkoikoi climax | 13:45 |
| jelkner | that's how it's done in thie business | 13:45 |
| scooper | Shmohnamud, since you are a professional web developer and can please help us mentor our web team just how you consistently engage us during the course of the week??? | 13:46 |
| shmohamud | scooper, how can I help besides what we already do? | 13:47 |
| scooper | Not for freena and me but we have the other, which include svaye and dcammue | 13:47 |
| jelkner | scooper, this is exactly what i am saying | 13:48 |
| scooper | Who Jeff selected to focus on web development | 13:48 |
| shmohamud | I'm happy to help them too. Would they join our sessions at the same time? | 13:48 |
| jelkner | YES! | 13:48 |
| jelkner | shmohamud, be mindful of your boundaries ;-) | 13:48 |
| jelkner | you are a volunteer | 13:48 |
| scooper | dcammue can you respond on behalf of you and svaye??? | 13:48 |
| shmohamud | I'm fine doing so :) I am mindful, I think we can take on two more during the week | 13:49 |
| jelkner | and we need to teach them how to help each other | 13:49 |
| jelkner | the whole "learn how to learn" thing | 13:49 |
| dcammue | +1 | 13:50 |
| shmohamud | Understood. I'll start leaving more resources for them to self-study | 13:50 |
| jelkner | excellent! | 13:50 |
| scooper | great | 13:50 |
| scooper | Thanks shmohamud that will definitely help dcammue and svaye | 13:50 |
| fkoikoi | thank you shmohamud | 13:50 |
| shmohamud | you're welcome! | 13:50 |
| scooper | HOw are you doing now in health shmohamud??? | 13:51 |
| dcammue | we are willing for shmohamud to helps us monitor our web when ever we make new progress. | 13:51 |
| shmohamud | I still have a cough but it's getting better every day | 13:51 |
| fkoikoi | that's good | 13:52 |
| dcammue | that will be a great appreciation to shmohamud when he helps us build more skill in our field. | 13:53 |
| shmohamud | you're most welcome dcammue | 13:54 |
| dcammue | I say sorry to shmohamud for the cough. | 13:54 |
| jelkner | anything else, comrades? | 13:55 |
| shmohamud | thank you | 13:55 |
| jelkner | if there is nothing else, let's call this meeting to a close | 13:55 |
| shmohamud | +1 | 13:56 |
| jelkner | i'll be available during the week from 1:30 to 2 pm your time each day | 13:56 |
| jelkner | see you all next saturday | 13:56 |
| scooper | Jeff | 13:56 |
| scooper | before you leave | 13:56 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, let's talk during those times | 13:56 |
| jelkner | yes, scooper? | 13:57 |
| fkoikoi | okay Jeff | 13:57 |
| scooper | It's possible that I have a time with Adrain | 13:57 |
| scooper | any time in next week??? | 13:57 |
| jelkner | Adrian will be back in Arlington, and he is coming to my classroom at 3 pm my time (8 pm your time) on Thursday | 13:58 |
| jelkner | but we are there to plan the Summer NOVA Web schedule | 13:58 |
| jelkner | why not message him? | 13:58 |
| jelkner | Asynchronous is best to reach hime | 13:58 |
| jelkner | him | 13:58 |
| jelkner | email or Zulip | 13:58 |
| scooper | I need your permission before doing so???? | 13:58 |
| jelkner | LOL | 13:59 |
| jelkner | No, my friend | 13:59 |
| jelkner | I was (half) joking about being his guardian :-) | 13:59 |
| jelkner | this is an important lesson | 13:59 |
| shmohamud | lol | 13:59 |
| jelkner | you can't exhaust your volunteers | 13:59 |
| jelkner | if you want them to stay around for a long time, you need to be *very* mindful of their time! | 14:00 |
| scooper | Sure...... | 14:00 |
| jelkner | Adrian is young, and didn't know how to set boundaries | 14:00 |
| jelkner | that often leads to problems | 14:00 |
| jelkner | frank, clear, and honest communication is the best way to handle those situations | 14:01 |
| jelkner | he is available to help, and likes to help | 14:01 |
| jelkner | but his time is very limited | 14:01 |
| jelkner | so you need to make sure you try all other means to solve your problem *before* asking him | 14:01 |
| jelkner | anyway, he'll be doing a Summer internship in Arlington for the Summer | 14:02 |
| jelkner | so send him a Zulip message | 14:02 |
| jelkner | He comes back tomorrow | 14:02 |
| jelkner | anything else, scooper? | 14:03 |
| scooper | will be send through mail....... | 14:03 |
| jelkner | great | 14:03 |
| jelkner | anything else? | 14:04 |
| fkoikoi | -1 | 14:05 |
| jelkner | okay everyone, see you all next saturday! | 14:05 |
| shmohamud | see you all next saturday! | 14:05 |
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