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| jelkner | hello matt_ | 17:26 |
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| matt_ | Hellloooooo | 17:26 |
| jelkner | you're the first one here ;-) | 17:26 |
| matt_ | I haven't use IRC in 4ever | 17:26 |
| jelkner | after me, that is | 17:27 |
| jelkner | we LOVE irc! | 17:27 |
| Guest11261 | it's pretty neat | 17:27 |
| jelkner | it is late 1980s tech | 17:27 |
| jelkner | so it is *very* light weight, and reliable | 17:27 |
| Guest11261 | why did IRC change my name tho, does it need a specific format? | 17:27 |
| jelkner | be forwarned | 17:27 |
| jelkner | this channel is publicly logged by our bot | 17:28 |
| Guest11261 | affirmative | 17:28 |
| jelkner | so everything we type here ends up on https://irclogs.novawebdevelopment.org/ | 17:28 |
| Guest11261 | okay, thanks for the call out | 17:28 |
| jelkner | its our own bot, which we've been hacking on a bit lately in the hopes of improving it | 17:29 |
| jelkner | Websterss is its name right now | 17:29 |
| Guest11261 | that's the Websterss? | 17:29 |
| Guest11261 | got it | 17:29 |
| jelkner | let me see if Tony is available early | 17:29 |
| jelkner | Tony should be here soon. | 17:33 |
| Guest11261 | cool | 17:33 |
| jelkner | Guest11261, why not make your nick MattDennis ? | 17:33 |
| jelkner | that will make it much easier to introduce you | 17:34 |
| Guest11261 | I had an easy nickname before but it got automatically changed for some reason to guest 11261 | 17:34 |
| jelkner | or even just mdennis, going with the unix vibe | 17:34 |
| Guest11261 | i'll relog and try to set it again like urs | 17:34 |
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| jelkner | no | 17:34 |
| jelkner | you can just run /nick [new nick] | 17:35 |
| jelkner | provided it isn't taken | 17:35 |
| jelkner | there you go | 17:35 |
| mdennis | let's see if it sticks this time | 17:35 |
| mdennis | maybe it didn't like the underscore i had in it earlier | 17:35 |
| jelkner | mine is registered | 17:35 |
| jelkner | so no one can use it but me | 17:35 |
| mdennis | is that what the "@" indicates? | 17:35 |
| jelkner | i don't see any "@" | 17:36 |
| mdennis | weird, to me your name is formatted "<@jelkner>" | 17:36 |
| jelkner | hmmm... | 17:36 |
| jelkner | you're using the web client | 17:36 |
| mdennis | ye | 17:36 |
| jelkner | i'm on a debian box using hexchat | 17:36 |
| mdennis | you ever try out nixos? | 17:37 |
| jelkner | no | 17:37 |
| jelkner | i have heard of it | 17:37 |
| jelkner | what's special about it? | 17:37 |
| mdennis | I got a raspberry pi 5 i'm gonna try to load it up with | 17:37 |
| mdennis | it's got a "declarative configuration" so everything is configured via a json-like file | 17:38 |
| mdennis | i think a lot of people have been using it like a "super docker" because you can easily spin up a new config | 17:38 |
| jelkner | yeah, i see | 17:38 |
| mdennis | there's a bunch of other stuff that frankly escapes my understanding of the unix environment | 17:38 |
| jelkner | it means you avoid dependency hell | 17:39 |
| mdennis | yea | 17:39 |
| mdennis | exactly | 17:39 |
| mdennis | very specific | 17:39 |
| mdennis | i think it will be very good for edge computing with things like raspi | 17:39 |
| jelkner | but at the cost of a lot of redundancy | 17:40 |
| jelkner | i'm *OLD* matt | 17:40 |
| mdennis | where's the redudancy come in? | 17:40 |
| mdennis | haha, understood | 17:40 |
| jelkner | each package can be isolated because it carries all its dependancies with it | 17:41 |
| jelkner | i guess like SNAPs from Ubuntu, or flatpacks | 17:41 |
| mdennis | hrmmmm, interesting to think about, i haven't delved enough into nixos to know if it has a way to handle that or not | 17:41 |
| jelkner | let me know how you like it | 17:42 |
| mdennis | i'll probably be infuriated by it XD | 17:42 |
| jelkner | since i've been with Debian since 1993, i'll probably stick with it ;-) | 17:42 |
| jelkner | hey anthony_p | 17:42 |
| mdennis | hello | 17:42 |
| jelkner | anthony_p, meet mdennis, mdennis, meet anthony_p | 17:42 |
| anthony_p | hello mdennis, jelkner | 17:43 |
| jelkner | anthony_p, i'm trying to add the agenda nairuti sent me to the decidim | 17:44 |
| jelkner | but i can't figure out how | 17:44 |
| jelkner | mdennis, if you are interested in seeing decidim in use, make an account for yourself on https://dnova.nextsystem.org | 17:45 |
| jelkner | anthony_p, i don't think the video link works yet either, right? | 17:45 |
| anthony_p | so if you want to add the agenda to the meeting using the agenda functionality, you do so from the Planning component of the Summit process | 17:46 |
| mdennis | jelkner, will do, I must say though, my first impression poking around at decidim is that it has been very quiet recently | 17:46 |
| mdennis | I don't suppose you have a feel for the pulse of decidim, if it will continue to be maintained etc | 17:47 |
| jelkner | mdennis, i'll be meeting with someone from https://en.octree.ch/decidim-civic-tech/ | 17:47 |
| jelkner | on April 1st | 17:47 |
| jelkner | i'll ask him about it | 17:47 |
| anthony_p | it is being maintained, though the devs do seem to be relatively quiet | 17:47 |
| jelkner | mdennis, they published a book recently | 17:48 |
| mdennis | that's great to hear, that it is being maintained, maybe worth a brief mention to them, i get how annoying "keeping a presence" online is but it does have value | 17:48 |
| jelkner | https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-50784-7 | 17:48 |
| anthony_p | they just pushed a bunch of changes in the repo a few hours ago actually | 17:49 |
| mdennis | very cool | 17:49 |
| jelkner | they develop it for the citizens of Barcelona | 17:49 |
| anthony_p | https://github.com/decidim/decidim/commit/a04d63a325ed94c49c8a20e4912ce4a9200f243b | 17:49 |
| anthony_p | most recent commit | 17:49 |
| mdennis | yea, i saw that people were still updating in github, but it just seems like, from a high level it's gotten quieter, and if we plan on specializing in the platform it's probably a good idea for us to try and get vision of where they see it going in the next 3-5 years | 17:50 |
| mdennis | imo | 17:50 |
| jelkner | mdennis, sounds good, but what i want to know more than anything is: | 17:50 |
| anthony_p | they hold a monthly development call on the last thursday of the month | 17:50 |
| jelkner | does it serve the people? | 17:50 |
| jelkner | in other words, is a tool that makes our lives better | 17:51 |
| jelkner | which could mean a whole bunch of things | 17:51 |
| mdennis | sure | 17:51 |
| jelkner | but if the answer is yes | 17:51 |
| jelkner | it is free software | 17:51 |
| jelkner | so we can maintain it ourselves ("we" being our community of users) | 17:51 |
| mdennis | yea, i was poking around, it is a very large platform, lots of details | 17:51 |
| jelkner | if we want to | 17:51 |
| jelkner | yes | 17:51 |
| jelkner | anthony_p has gotten a taste of that | 17:52 |
| mdennis | I think a good first activity for us, if i may be so bold, would be to implement "the smallest deployment" of decidim and see how it works? maybe even to use within the co-op | 17:52 |
| jelkner | a mammoth platform | 17:52 |
| jelkner | definitely! | 17:52 |
| jelkner | you're already on the same page we are mdennis | 17:53 |
| mdennis | yea, then we can try and extend the functionality, see how it works is the best way to know how good it is | 17:53 |
| mdennis | great | 17:53 |
| jelkner | we've been trying to do just that | 17:53 |
| jelkner | i'm thinking it may be worth our while to run one of the SaaS instances on octree | 17:53 |
| jelkner | since they are hosting it professionally already | 17:54 |
| mdennis | do we have a place where we are structuring our plans, strategies, etc? | 17:55 |
| jelkner | i've already heard interest from comrades at May First (https://mayfirst.coop/en/) about offering it to their members | 17:55 |
| mdennis | i assume you, jelkner, you have some spreadsheet alternative that was written by ken thompson in the late 80s :P | 17:55 |
| jelkner | perhaps we will be able to help with that someday in the not too distant future | 17:55 |
| jelkner | mdennis, we need to do that | 17:55 |
| jelkner | our plan was to dogfood decidim | 17:56 |
| mdennis | what's dogfood? | 17:56 |
| jelkner | but we haven't gotten it to work well enough yet | 17:56 |
| jelkner | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_food | 17:56 |
| mdennis | got it | 17:57 |
| mdennis | my *default* is just to use google sheets and such but if there's an alternative I'm all ears | 17:58 |
| mdennis | sorry, use it for storing ideas, dates, etc | 17:58 |
| jelkner | anthony_p, we never discussed details, but my hunch from our 1 hour conversation last saturday is that mdennis is comfortable with Python | 17:58 |
| anthony_p | https://dnova.nextsystem.org/processes/summit2025/f/2/meetings/11 | 17:59 |
| anthony_p | updated with agenda | 17:59 |
| mdennis | yes, I am comfortable in python | 17:59 |
| jelkner | so i want to introduce him to jocconor | 17:59 |
| anthony_p | sounds good | 17:59 |
| jelkner | and let him get a look at the work we did for ARTraffic | 17:59 |
| jelkner | and talk to james about the work we are doing for CPA | 17:59 |
| jelkner | mdennis, don't know what you're schedule is, but that meeting won't be for 2 1/2 hours | 18:00 |
| jelkner | in the mean time, anthony_p | 18:01 |
| jelkner | can i get your help with the DNOVA Summit meeting today? | 18:01 |
| anthony_p | yes | 18:01 |
| mdennis | I think I can attend that meeting, should be free | 18:01 |
| anthony_p | i'll be there | 18:01 |
| anthony_p | is there something specific you need? | 18:01 |
| jelkner | a few specific things | 18:02 |
| jelkner | i'm here: https://dnova.nextsystem.org/processes/summit2025/f/2/meetings/11 | 18:02 |
| jelkner | and i have a document nairuti sent me with the agenda for today | 18:02 |
| jelkner | i'd like to add it | 18:02 |
| jelkner | but i can't figure out how | 18:02 |
| anthony_p | look at the meeting, it's all already in there | 18:02 |
| jelkner | I see Agenda: | 18:03 |
| jelkner | followed my nothing | 18:03 |
| anthony_p | refresh it? | 18:03 |
| anthony_p | you might have it cached | 18:03 |
| jelkner | yup | 18:03 |
| jelkner | only thing is, anthony_p | 18:04 |
| jelkner | you need to teach me | 18:04 |
| jelkner | so you don't have to do it yourself all the time! | 18:04 |
| anthony_p | https://meet.mayfirst.org/decidim | 18:04 |
| anthony_p | i can screen share and walk you through it | 18:05 |
| jelkner | what is our url for the meeting at 5 pm? | 18:05 |
| jelkner | why not just meet there so we don't have to switch? | 18:05 |
| anthony_p | because we're going to be meeting for the decidim and normal thursday meeting and that won't be in jitsi, so i'll be closing it anyway | 18:06 |
| jelkner | but i won't have to | 18:06 |
| jelkner | i'll keep it open | 18:07 |
| mdennis | I'm reading through the JMK innovation prize stuff, is there a specific effort we are planning to submit? | 18:07 |
| jelkner | mdennis, we have two tiny non-profits | 18:07 |
| jelkner | https://sjcompute.org/ | 18:08 |
| jelkner | https://secosol.us/ | 18:08 |
| jelkner | with highly overlapping (but not completely) folks involved | 18:08 |
| jelkner | i want to build the solidarity economy | 18:09 |
| jelkner | i'm really excited by what is going on with Industrial Commons in nearby NC | 18:09 |
| jelkner | https://www.theindustrialcommons.org/ | 18:09 |
| jelkner | and we are working now to help build an event in April | 18:09 |
| jelkner | https://nextsystem.gmu.edu/projects/dnova/summit | 18:10 |
| jelkner | i don't know how to write grants | 18:10 |
| mdennis | yea, that industrial commons thing is great, i've been thinking a LOT about creating local industrial capacity in critical areas lately | 18:10 |
| jelkner | another ambitious effort is https://cooperationjackson.org/ | 18:11 |
| jelkner | i don't know where we're heading | 18:12 |
| jelkner | but i do know that ain't nobody coming to save us from our times of trouble but ourselves! | 18:12 |
| jelkner | s/times of trouble/time of troubles | 18:13 |
| jelkner | ;-) | 18:13 |
| mdennis | i agree, my feeling is that the current, reigning global order is like a bouncey castle, propped up by constant fuel consumption, when it gets too expensive they will turn off the fan and it will deflate quickly, leaving many people with insufficient local industry | 18:13 |
| jelkner | indeed | 18:14 |
| jelkner | anthony_p, no one is in the decidim mayfirst meeting | 18:15 |
| jelkner | it says "waiting for a moderator" | 18:15 |
| jelkner | are you going to start it? | 18:15 |
| anthony_p | i moved it: https://meet.mayfirst.org/DNOVA_Summit_2025 | 18:16 |
| jelkner | lol | 18:16 |
| jelkner | hold on | 18:16 |
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| mdennis | did the meeting crash? | 18:32 |
| mdennis | i rejoined | 18:33 |
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| mdennis | hello johan, do you have the link to the meeting? | 19:06 |
| freena | Hello jelkner and johan_f | 19:12 |
| johan_f | hello freena | 19:12 |
| johan_f | jelkner is in a jitsi meeting with mdeniis right now | 19:13 |
| freena | How are you today?? | 19:13 |
| freena | Oh okay | 19:13 |
| johan_f | I'm doing well | 19:13 |
| johan_f | freena do you have some information on the locations you are interested in for the office? | 19:15 |
| johan_f | oh btw I don't know why but the nextcloud link to the images you had don't work anymore | 19:17 |
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| freena | johan_f: | 19:20 |
| johan_f | yes | 19:20 |
| freena | jelkner: propose that the office space should be around Fendell University | 19:21 |
| freena | And after doing some research, vacent office space were found around the fendell belt | 19:22 |
| freena | The location include: FDA, Mount Barclay, Bernard's farm | 19:23 |
| freena | These are the locations for now | 19:23 |
| johan_f | I see, I want to start placing specific locations and their info the proposals | 19:24 |
| johan_f | The information doesn't need to be complete either. We can continuously update it as more info is found | 19:24 |
| freena | Okay, | 19:24 |
| freena | Alright, | 19:27 |
| jelkner | hi freena | 19:27 |
| jelkner | great to see you! | 19:27 |
| jelkner | you know the time changed | 19:27 |
| jelkner | so we started 30 minutes ago | 19:27 |
| jelkner | we gotta let everyone there know | 19:27 |
| freena | Oh | 19:28 |
| jelkner | i told everyone | 19:28 |
| jelkner | but i understand how stupid this is | 19:28 |
| jelkner | and hard to adjust to | 19:29 |
| jelkner | i wish we didn't do it | 19:29 |
| jelkner | but we do :-( | 19:29 |
| freena | I thought since the time change, the meeting will be 7:00pm instead of 8:00pm | 19:29 |
| jelkner | YES! | 19:29 |
| thomasboimah | Good day folks | 19:29 |
| jelkner | great, thomasboimah | 19:29 |
| jelkner | i just found another mentor for you, my friend | 19:29 |
| jelkner | i'll be introducing you soon by email | 19:29 |
| thomasboimah | Okay, That's Good to know | 19:30 |
| jelkner | another experience professional who will be working with us | 19:30 |
| jelkner | glad the two of you are here | 19:30 |
| jelkner | my first favor to ask you is if you can organize everyone for our meeting saturday for a new time? | 19:30 |
| thomasboimah | sure! | 19:31 |
| thomasboimah | by what time | 19:31 |
| thomasboimah | ? | 19:31 |
| jelkner | i would like to meet at 13:30 UTC | 19:31 |
| jelkner | that will be 9:30 my time | 19:31 |
| thomasboimah | Okay I will send message to everyone tonight | 19:31 |
| jelkner | great | 19:31 |
| jelkner | freena, we need to talk before then | 19:32 |
| jelkner | so now is a good time | 19:32 |
| freena | Alright | 19:32 |
| jelkner | i'm preparing for the wire transfer at the end of the month | 19:32 |
| jelkner | https://codeberg.org/jelkner/SolidarityEconomyNotes/src/branch/main/SocialJusticeComputing/JetroWeb/April2025transferBudget.md | 19:33 |
| jelkner | take a look | 19:33 |
| jelkner | now i'm expecting *a lot* from you two! | 19:33 |
| jelkner | so please continue to step up | 19:34 |
| jelkner | you two will need to take initiative, be proactive | 19:34 |
| jelkner | and put in a lot of hard work | 19:34 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah is already doing that | 19:34 |
| jelkner | freena, it would be great to see more emails from you | 19:34 |
| jelkner | with what you're doing | 19:34 |
| jelkner | encouraging the rest of jetro to move forward | 19:34 |
| jelkner | i asked questions about the area where we plan to get the office | 19:35 |
| jelkner | i'm expecting you, freena, to provide answers | 19:35 |
| freena | About that jelkner | 19:35 |
| jelkner | yes? | 19:35 |
| freena | I talked to johan_f and asked whether to just put it in Decidim | 19:36 |
| jelkner | yes, we are having problems with our decidim | 19:36 |
| jelkner | so we may need to work around that until we figure that out | 19:36 |
| jelkner | i have a meeting with someone from octree on april 1 | 19:36 |
| freena | But I can send you a mail containing the information gather for now about the location of the office space | 19:37 |
| jelkner | i'm thinking of just getting a decidim instance from them | 19:37 |
| jelkner | sure, freena | 19:37 |
| jelkner | email works | 19:37 |
| freena | Alright | 19:37 |
| jelkner | and we can put it in a git repo too | 19:37 |
| jelkner | we want to use decidim to plan | 19:37 |
| jelkner | but we need a working deployment to do that | 19:37 |
| jelkner | and we don't have that yet | 19:37 |
| johan_f | freena, most info can be placed though issues with pdfs, and images will occur | 19:38 |
| freena | Alright johan_f | 19:39 |
| freena | jelkner: | 19:39 |
| freena | I'm going to send you a email after the meeting | 19:40 |
| freena | johan_f: | 19:41 |
| jelkner | Marin, how are you feeling? | 19:41 |
| johan_f | freena, okay | 19:42 |
| freena | jelkner: | 19:45 |
| jelkner | freena? | 19:46 |
| jelkner | i'm waiting? | 19:46 |
| freena | I'm confused about the linked you posted | 19:47 |
| jelkner | in what way? | 19:48 |
| jelkner | let's talk | 19:48 |
| jelkner | that's why i posted it | 19:48 |
| freena | Alright | 19:48 |
| freena | It's about the first item on the list | 19:49 |
| jelkner | ok | 19:49 |
| jelkner | what about it? | 19:49 |
| freena | I just want to know why $750 is for six of Jetro's members | 19:51 |
| jelkner | that's how it's been for a long while now | 19:51 |
| jelkner | why is that strange? | 19:51 |
| Marin | Hey Jeff! I am still not feeling very well from the surgery so I will probably be in and out of the meeting! | 19:51 |
| jelkner | Great to hear that Marin! | 19:52 |
| jelkner | freena, i don't understand. | 19:52 |
| freena | Oh sorry jelkner | 19:52 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, can I come in on what freena is saying? | 19:52 |
| freena | I get it now | 19:53 |
| jelkner | *PLEASE*! | 19:53 |
| jelkner | speak your mind, friends | 19:53 |
| jelkner | i'm counting on you to do that | 19:53 |
| thomasboimah | The 750 it is for only April? | 19:53 |
| jelkner | yes | 19:54 |
| freena | I get it now jelkner | 19:54 |
| jelkner | i've been sending 2 months at a time | 19:54 |
| thomasboimah | Okay then it is fine | 19:54 |
| jelkner | but i can't afford to do that now | 19:54 |
| thomasboimah | I got it now | 19:54 |
| jelkner | this is going to be hard for me | 19:54 |
| jelkner | since i'm sending more than i can afford to send | 19:54 |
| jelkner | but we need to do it | 19:54 |
| jelkner | so i'm *really* asking you two to step up! | 19:54 |
| thomasboimah | Thanks for your help again jelkner | 19:55 |
| jelkner | we are close to becoming a real business | 19:55 |
| thomasboimah | Jetro web appreciate | 19:55 |
| jelkner | and if we put in the time now, in 6 months we can be there | 19:55 |
| freena | We appreciate your efforts jelkner and we are going to work much harder to make sure that Jetro's starts doing billable work | 19:55 |
| jelkner | i wish svaye was here now too | 19:55 |
| jelkner | i was just talking with Ved and devesh | 19:56 |
| jelkner | they could train svaye and dcamune to keep books | 19:56 |
| jelkner | there are lots of small businesses and organizations here that need help with bookkeeping | 19:56 |
| jelkner | so if they can learn from Ved and Devesh how to do it | 19:57 |
| freena | Okay | 19:58 |
| Ved | yes we've been working with svaye and dcammue, i am giving them the bank record for secosol for 2024 so they can tinker and try to figure out how to do proper books on sheets | 19:58 |
| jelkner | excellent Ved, thanks! | 19:59 |
| jelkner | Tony's computer failed today | 19:59 |
| jelkner | he is very upset | 20:00 |
| jelkner | but he's working on that | 20:00 |
| jelkner | so i don't know when or if he will be back today | 20:00 |
| jelkner | but thomasboimah has been using email very effectively | 20:00 |
| jelkner | so he knows what to work on | 20:00 |
| jelkner | learning ruby, rails, and then decidim in that order | 20:00 |
| jelkner | it's a lot to learn | 20:00 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, i started looking into it | 20:01 |
| jelkner | and found what looks to be a good online resources | 20:01 |
| thomasboimah | that's good to know | 20:01 |
| thomasboimah | What resources are you using? | 20:01 |
| jelkner | https://www.theodinproject.com/paths/full-stack-ruby-on-rails | 20:02 |
| jelkner | i can't say i'm "using it" | 20:02 |
| jelkner | i was just looking for things to recommend to you | 20:02 |
| jelkner | what i like about it is that is seems informed by best practices | 20:02 |
| jelkner | and starts with ruby and continues to rails | 20:02 |
| jelkner | i will want to learn that myself, but i'll look to thomasboimah to help teach me | 20:03 |
| jelkner | after he learns ;-) | 20:03 |
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| thomasboimah | Sure my friend | 20:03 |
| jelkner | freena, you're main task is to project manage | 20:03 |
| jelkner | that means you need to be thinking about the "big picture" for jetro web | 20:04 |
| jelkner | you need to have conversations with mulbah, for example, and try to get him to understand why we are looking at the site near the new university | 20:04 |
| freena | +1 jelkner | 20:05 |
| freena | Got it | 20:06 |
| jelkner | i'll be looking to you as the person to go to when i want to know how everyone is doing | 20:06 |
| jelkner | what they are thinking | 20:06 |
| freena | jelkner: | 20:06 |
| jelkner | how we should proceed | 20:06 |
| jelkner | freena, | 20:06 |
| freena | Alright jelkner | 20:07 |
| jelkner | remember freena, it's *your* business! | 20:07 |
| freena | Can you please send the link to Mr. Zawolo proposal about the office space?? | 20:07 |
| jelkner | the link i just sent you, do you mean? | 20:08 |
| freena | Yes of course jelkner | 20:08 |
| freena | -1 | 20:08 |
| jelkner | -1? | 20:08 |
| freena | No jelkner | 20:09 |
| thomasboimah | Good day anthony_p | 20:09 |
| anthony_p | hello all | 20:09 |
| freena | I'm talking about the link that says the office should be around the University and also contain questions that need answers | 20:10 |
| svaye | Hi everyone | 20:10 |
| johan_f | hello anthony_p | 20:10 |
| jelkner | hold on | 20:10 |
| jelkner | https://codeberg.org/jelkner/SolidarityEconomyNotes/src/branch/main/SocialJusticeComputing/JetroWeb/OfficeProposal.md | 20:11 |
| jelkner | you have it now, freena | 20:11 |
| jelkner | please be proactive | 20:11 |
| jelkner | send it to mr. zawolo yourself | 20:11 |
| jelkner | my only role is to bug him if he doesn't reply ;-) | 20:11 |
| jelkner | but you want to have a direct relationship with him | 20:12 |
| freena | Okay jelkner | 20:12 |
| jelkner | not an indirect on | 20:12 |
| jelkner | one | 20:12 |
| freena | That's why I was asking for the Link jelkner | 20:12 |
| mulbah | Hello everyone | 20:12 |
| thomasboimah | Hello mulbah | 20:13 |
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| jelkner | hello mulbah | 20:14 |
| jelkner | we were just talking about you | 20:14 |
| jelkner | freena, to finish | 20:14 |
| jelkner | you don't want me in the middle of that conversation | 20:14 |
| jelkner | and i don't want to be in the middle | 20:14 |
| jelkner | we will need mr. zawolo's help | 20:14 |
| jelkner | and it's better if you develop a good working relationship with him yourself | 20:15 |
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| jelkner | does that make sense? | 20:15 |
| freena | +1 | 20:15 |
| jelkner | gabriel_jetro, mulbah, ledmer, since you are al here | 20:16 |
| jelkner | wanna talk about Websterss? | 20:16 |
| freena | jelkner: | 20:17 |
| freena | Can I leave now?? | 20:17 |
| freena | My computer is low and I want to work on something before it turn off | 20:17 |
| jelkner | i don't think we need you today | 20:18 |
| jelkner | wait | 20:18 |
| jelkner | what time will we meet on saturday? | 20:18 |
| jelkner | just checking ;-) | 20:18 |
| jelkner | we discussed it earlier | 20:18 |
| thomasboimah | 9:30 your time | 20:18 |
| jelkner | lol | 20:18 |
| jelkner | and your time, freena? | 20:18 |
| freena | 13:30pm | 20:18 |
| jelkner | +1 | 20:18 |
| freena | Alright | 20:19 |
| jelkner | see you saturday freena | 20:19 |
| freena | Have a great day jelkner | 20:19 |
| jelkner | get to work!! | 20:19 |
| jelkner | you too | 20:19 |
| freena | See you Saturday | 20:19 |
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| ledmer | gabriel_jetro, mulbah can we start the presentation | 20:21 |
| gabriel_jetro | +1 | 20:21 |
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| ledmer | ok | 20:22 |
| ledmer | you should start by exposing the new features along with the changes | 20:22 |
| gabriel_jetro | sure I share a draft or I should write it out in short notes? | 20:25 |
| ledmer | Write it out | 20:25 |
| ledmer | and answer jeff's questions | 20:25 |
| gabriel_jetro | okay.. | 20:25 |
| ledmer | copy and paste it if you want | 20:26 |
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| mulbah | gabriel_jetro let me do the presentation | 20:27 |
| gabriel_jetro | The purpose of the websterss bot is for streamlining meeting management in both the #novawebdevelopment and #jetrowebdev channel | 20:27 |
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| gabriel_jetro | key features are... | 20:27 |
| gabriel_jetro | creating, managing, and interacting with meetings on those channel | 20:28 |
| mulbah | Gabriel let me take it from here | 20:29 |
| gabriel_jetro | * New features and changes | 20:29 |
| gabriel_jetro | 1. Improve error messages for better user understanding. | 20:30 |
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| gabriel_jetro | New !Thursdaymeeting command to separate Thursday meetings. | 20:32 |
| gabriel_jetro | Enhance listmeetings command to hide weekly Thursday meetings. | 20:34 |
| gabriel_jetro | * Meeting management commands | 20:35 |
| gabriel_jetro | 1."!createmeeting" <ID> [time] [date] – To schedules a meeting. | 20:35 |
| gabriel_jetro | Example: | 20:36 |
| gabriel_jetro | !createmeeting team_meeting 10:00 01 10 ET 2023 | 20:36 |
| Websterss | Meeting 'team_meeting' created successfully for ET 2023-10-01 10:00. | 20:36 |
| gabriel_jetro | 2. "!startmeeting" <ID> – Is use to starts a meeting per the meeting "ID" provided. | 20:38 |
| gabriel_jetro | Example: | 20:39 |
| gabriel_jetro | !startmeeting team_meeting | 20:39 |
| Websterss | Meeting 'team_meeting' is now active. | 20:39 |
| ledmer | the comand startmeeting name should be changed to activatemeeting | 20:39 |
| jelkner | nice! | 20:40 |
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| ledmer | for clarification on what it does | 20:40 |
| jelkner | to be consistent, can we change stop meeting to deactivatemeeting? | 20:40 |
| mulbah | I did that but I didn't update the code on the server | 20:40 |
| ledmer | jelkner, sure | 20:40 |
| jelkner | i have another question | 20:41 |
| gabriel_jetro | I was just about to say, mulbah | 20:41 |
| ledmer | mulbah, make the deactivatemeeting change right now so I can update the bot quickly | 20:41 |
| jelkner | you activate a meeting, add agenda items, deactivate, activate another meeting, add agenda items to it, etc. | 20:41 |
| jelkner | that all sounds good | 20:41 |
| jelkner | how to you clear an agenda when the meeting is over? | 20:41 |
| mulbah | I finish with the changes let me push it to gitlab | 20:42 |
| ledmer | !help | 20:42 |
| Websterss | Available commands: !add, !agenda, !createmeeting, !endmeeting, !help, !listmeetings, !remove, !startmeeting, !stopmeeting | 20:42 |
| mulbah | no on my local machine | 20:42 |
| jelkner | hmmm... | 20:42 |
| ledmer | if the meeting is over you should just end it | 20:42 |
| jelkner | endmeeting vs stopmeeting sounds confusing to me | 20:42 |
| ledmer | !endmeeting | 20:43 |
| Websterss | Invalid arguments. | 20:43 |
| ledmer | !endmeeting help | 20:43 |
| Websterss | No meeting found with ID 'help'. | 20:43 |
| jelkner | this is the kind of place where good names are important | 20:43 |
| ledmer | !help endmeeting | 20:43 |
| Websterss | End a meeting and delete all its data. | 20:43 |
| jelkner | folks, we need to move on | 20:43 |
| jelkner | to other agenda itesm | 20:43 |
| jelkner | items | 20:43 |
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| jelkner | Ved, i don't see james | 20:43 |
| jelkner | since CPA is our *only* paying customer beside jelkner at the moment | 20:44 |
| jelkner | we need to focus on them and make sure we are handling that well | 20:44 |
| mulbah | you didn't get to talk about the !ask command | 20:44 |
| Ved | Okay, yes everything is going well | 20:44 |
| jelkner | mulbah, next time | 20:44 |
| Ved | We talk every couple of days | 20:45 |
| mulbah | okay | 20:45 |
| jelkner | ok, but like i've said, i won't be comfortable with only him knowing what is going on | 20:45 |
| jelkner | since if something comes up | 20:45 |
| anthony_p | Ved: does james need assistance with anything? | 20:45 |
| jelkner | we would be in a pickle | 20:45 |
| Ved | I think as of now everything is going well anthony_p | 20:46 |
| Ved | Ill be checking in with one again | 20:46 |
| jelkner | best practice in agile development environments say "shared ownership of the code" | 20:46 |
| Ved | One update is that they have asked us to do additional work for them | 20:46 |
| anthony_p | where are we documenting what he is working on? | 20:46 |
| jelkner | that means in principle anyone on the team could step in in a pinch and solve problems | 20:46 |
| jelkner | that's an ideal | 20:46 |
| Ved | So at the rate of $50 an hour we will be fixing another issue for them | 20:46 |
| jelkner | it never really works that way fully | 20:46 |
| jelkner | something to strive for | 20:46 |
| jelkner | Ved, that is aweome | 20:47 |
| jelkner | i was hoping for repo links that i can share with matt this saturday | 20:47 |
| jelkner | where can i find them? | 20:47 |
| jelkner | matt specifically asked me "what kind of work are you doing for CPA?" | 20:48 |
| Ved | not sure, ill ask him | 20:48 |
| jelkner | ledmer, do you know | 20:48 |
| jelkner | ? | 20:48 |
| ledmer | no, I haven't worked with him in that project | 20:48 |
| jelkner | ACTION gets *very* scared!! | 20:49 |
| jelkner | this is what i'm talking about | 20:49 |
| jelkner | if james got sick | 20:49 |
| jelkner | and CPA called us with an emergency | 20:49 |
| jelkner | we would be fried | 20:49 |
| jelkner | out of business | 20:49 |
| anthony_p | it needs to be tracked either in gitlab or in decidim | 20:49 |
| jelkner | not a good plan you business folks | 20:49 |
| anthony_p | both would be best | 20:49 |
| jelkner | +1 | 20:49 |
| jelkner | Ved and Devesh | 20:50 |
| jelkner | who isn't here now | 20:50 |
| jelkner | svaye, we want to hire you to be our bookkeeper and to help plan this kind of stuff | 20:50 |
| jelkner | to know where things are and who is doing what for whom | 20:50 |
| jelkner | if you can learn to do that quickly svaye | 20:51 |
| jelkner | we can hire you | 20:51 |
| jelkner | svaye, what do you think? | 20:51 |
| Ved | Yes | 20:51 |
| svaye | I am willing to do that jelkner, I am doing my best to learn things as fast as I can | 20:51 |
| jelkner | great svaye | 20:51 |
| jelkner | i have the utmost confidence in you svaye | 20:52 |
| jelkner | you know mr. zawolo always speaks very highly of your skills | 20:52 |
| svaye | And communicating with Ved has really helped me a lot | 20:52 |
| jelkner | Ved, *please* get that info from james for me tomorrow | 20:52 |
| jelkner | Ved is amazing, svaye | 20:53 |
| jelkner | NOVA Web Development would not be here today if it wasn't for Ved | 20:53 |
| jelkner | i need to share it with Matt on Saturday | 20:53 |
| jelkner | if we want pros to work with us | 20:53 |
| jelkner | we need to begin acting like pros | 20:53 |
| jelkner | we have only 7 minutes | 20:54 |
| jelkner | and i have one more thing to ask about | 20:54 |
| jelkner | who is going to work on the NOVA Web Website? | 20:55 |
| jelkner | i wrote to contact@novawebdevelopment.coop | 20:55 |
| jelkner | ledmer, you need to get Ved setup with email! | 20:55 |
| ledmer | He is setup | 20:55 |
| Ved | i am setup | 20:56 |
| Ved | good to go | 20:56 |
| Ved | been receiving emails | 20:56 |
| jelkner | we need to remove Eduardo from the our team page | 20:56 |
| jelkner | and update the client page | 20:56 |
| jelkner | to remove stale clients and add new ones | 20:56 |
| Ved | devesh and i can work on the nova website if we have time today | 20:56 |
| jelkner | like CPA! | 20:56 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 20:56 |
| jelkner | anything else? | 20:57 |
| jelkner | let's close the meeting then | 20:57 |
| Ved | thats it for me | 20:57 |
| Ved | ok | 20:57 |
| ledmer | I think we are good | 20:58 |
| jelkner | until next week y'all | 20:58 |
| ledmer | great! | 20:58 |
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| svaye | Have a wonderful day jelkner | 20:58 |
| jelkner | you too! | 20:58 |
| jelkner | see you saturday svaye | 20:58 |
| gabriel_jetro | Okay jeff.. | 20:58 |
| gabriel_jetro | smiles | 20:58 |
| mulbah | okay jelkner | 20:58 |
| svaye | Alright jelkner | 20:59 |
| jelkner | see you saturday gabriel_jetro mulbah | 20:59 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, | 20:59 |
| thomasboimah | Have a nice day jelkner | 20:59 |
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