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| freena | Hello johan_f | 18:35 |
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| klarios | hello all! | 18:56 |
| johan_f | hello everyone | 18:58 |
| klarios | hey johan_f | 18:59 |
| klarios | for some reason I can see users that arent connected? | 18:59 |
| klarios | its been happening for a bit now | 19:00 |
| johan_f | what users? | 19:00 |
| klarios | IRC users | 19:00 |
| klarios | freena, ved, anthony, and jelkner a bit ago | 19:00 |
| freena | Hi klarios | 19:00 |
| klarios | great! freena is here | 19:01 |
| freena | Hello johan_f | 19:01 |
| klarios | sorry IRC has been showing users that arent connected | 19:01 |
| klarios | I never know who is connected or not | 19:01 |
| klarios | anthony_p: are you active? | 19:01 |
| johan_f | so I know why Ved appears | 19:02 |
| johan_f | you might remember but last thursday we talked about how IRC was blocked on school computers | 19:03 |
| klarios | ooh | 19:03 |
| klarios | does that have anything to do with it? | 19:03 |
| johan_f | yes cause we had to use an alternative sit\ | 19:03 |
| johan_f | *site | 19:03 |
| klarios | Ah I see | 19:04 |
| klarios | that means you'll appear even if you disconnect | 19:04 |
| johan_f | that site offers for a user to be always active in IRC | 19:04 |
| johan_f | so that they have all the logs | 19:04 |
| klarios | makes sense | 19:04 |
| johan_f | I assume anthony_p and jelkner could be using something similar | 19:05 |
| klarios | it may be a one time thing | 19:05 |
| klarios | ive never see anthony_p or jelkner stay active while unactive | 19:05 |
| klarios | well its okay | 19:05 |
| klarios | next time I can just ask who is active and I can be returned a +1 | 19:06 |
| johan_f | +1 | 19:06 |
| fkoikoi | +1 | 19:06 |
| klarios | great! Alright I have a bit of an agenda Item due this friday | 19:06 |
| klarios | I wont use the bot because itll take me too long | 19:07 |
| klarios | but I can just paste it here | 19:07 |
| klarios | We need to give the DNOVA council a step-by-step demonstration of decidim | 19:07 |
| klarios | or a demo basically | 19:07 |
| klarios | I believe its good if we start by giving two different perspective or 2 different presentations | 19:08 |
| klarios | 1 on the user side | 19:08 |
| klarios | and 1 on the admin side | 19:08 |
| johan_f | I agree | 19:09 |
| klarios | now we dont have to put together a presentation but if that works better to organize a demo let me know | 19:09 |
| klarios | how should we do it? | 19:09 |
| klarios | also because of logistics the meeting will be at 10 am on friday both you or anthony cant make that probably so I wil be presenting | 19:10 |
| johan_f | i was about to ask who was going to present | 19:10 |
| klarios | No worries, jelkner already assigned me that | 19:10 |
| klarios | I also wanted to ask if you guys believe doing a demo on the Nova web decidim would be better than the dnova decidim | 19:11 |
| johan_f | I'm not sure what would be necessarily better, but if you are more comfortable would with a presentation then I think that would be better | 19:11 |
| klarios | since theres not much content on the dnova decidim I am worried we can show them all the app has to offer | 19:11 |
| klarios | johan_f: I think a presentation would be good so that we can distribute it to others interested | 19:12 |
| klarios | it wont be the entire product but like an elevator pitch of what decidim offers | 19:13 |
| johan_f | Ah I see | 19:13 |
| klarios | https://dnova.nextsystem.org/assemblies/council | 19:14 |
| klarios | here is the dnova decidim | 19:14 |
| klarios | compared to https://decidim.novawebdevelopment.org/ | 19:14 |
| klarios | our decidim | 19:14 |
| klarios | which one should we demo? | 19:14 |
| johan_f | If it's like an elevator pitch and a presentation then I think we could theoretically use DNOVA Decidim since it has everything working | 19:15 |
| klarios | I was thinking that too. But I also think it doesnt have enough of components to give a proper demo | 19:16 |
| johan_f | So would you be doing a short presentation and then a demo? | 19:17 |
| johan_f | I guess technically 2 short presentation | 19:17 |
| klarios | theyve asked me to demonstrate using decidim which is the goal of meeting that day | 19:17 |
| klarios | we dont have to do the presentation entirely | 19:18 |
| klarios | or at all | 19:18 |
| klarios | but since the dnova decidim doesnt use all the components/ features of decidim, it would be useful for them to know them | 19:19 |
| johan_f | I see if you want to sort of demo then I guess you would probably use NOVA | 19:19 |
| klarios | I was thinking of presenting a component and then showing them how to use it | 19:19 |
| klarios | on the admin side ofc | 19:20 |
| johan_f | If we are doing a presentation on decidim as a whole then I wouldn't want to limit us to just our decidim instances | 19:20 |
| klarios | on the user side it would be, how does a user interact with that component | 19:20 |
| jkollie | Greetings everyone, I apologize for joining late | 19:20 |
| klarios | True, but unfortunately we are short of time | 19:20 |
| klarios | hi jkollie! thank you for coming | 19:21 |
| klarios | we are discussing the plans of giving a demonstration to an organization about decidim | 19:21 |
| klarios | johan_f: do you think we should do a presentation of decidim as a whole? | 19:22 |
| fkoikoi | can I say something?? | 19:22 |
| johan_f | yes fkoikoi | 19:23 |
| klarios | we wouldnt be able to demonstrate it but they would know of its features | 19:23 |
| klarios | yes fkoikoi please | 19:23 |
| fkoikoi | I this the presentation will help them understand what exactly the platform if like but | 19:24 |
| fkoikoi | the demo will also help people understand how the features are used too | 19:24 |
| fkoikoi | **think** | 19:25 |
| johan_f | klarios, I'm unsure. Assuming they don't know a lot then i think it would be more valuable to give a presentation on it as a whole and then demonstrate how currently NOVA is using it. | 19:25 |
| fkoikoi | That's the point I was trying to make johan_f | 19:25 |
| klarios | yes fkoikoi I wanted to do a presentation so that everyone can understand the features decidim offers | 19:26 |
| klarios | johan_f: yes I agree with you we should do that | 19:26 |
| klarios | if there arent any restrictions on time for the demo this can totally work | 19:26 |
| fkoikoi | that will be a great plan klarios | 19:26 |
| klarios | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1vNFEORUX8HfQhhdk9DHqyfyIuPfmSek6HC6nR3eceWc/edit | 19:27 |
| johan_f | cause technically the way NOVA uses the modules is somewhat different then how Decidim intended. | 19:27 |
| klarios | this is the only presentation we have of decidm | 19:27 |
| klarios | I still dont think its enough to explain everything | 19:27 |
| johan_f | yes I remember reading that presentation | 19:27 |
| klarios | johan_f: true but that is because were a small org and it works for us | 19:27 |
| klarios | if we explain to them how it works, they can use it at a bigger scale therefore in the intended way | 19:28 |
| klarios | or whatever way they need to | 19:28 |
| jkollie | I was just reading the log | 19:28 |
| johan_f | klarios, +1 | 19:29 |
| johan_f | I think to better show them the intended way to use it would be wise to have the presentation focus more on other uses like NYC | 19:30 |
| fkoikoi | or if there is less time than I this the presentation show only focus on key points and them you can do the rest in the demo klarios and johan_f | 19:30 |
| klarios | okay we should make a presentation then. I intend to present both the user and admin side. Should we make two presentations or do it a different way? | 19:30 |
| fkoikoi | *think** | 19:30 |
| klarios | We should give a small introduction and focus on keypoints like fkoikoi said. Keypoints being processes, assemblies, components, global varaibles, users, admins, etc. | 19:33 |
| jkollie | Can I ask a question? | 19:33 |
| johan_f | I think the presentation should focus on use in general but maybe more focused on users | 19:33 |
| johan_f | jkollie you can | 19:33 |
| klarios | I think its equally important to focus on both because a large group of admin would be managing and a larger group of users would be using. The person we are presenting is worried about both sides | 19:34 |
| jkollie | are we going to do the presentation individually? and secondly when will be the presentation? | 19:34 |
| klarios | No worries jkollie, I will take care of doing the presentation and demonstration | 19:35 |
| klarios | this will take place this friday | 19:35 |
| klarios | so we have a tight schedule | 19:35 |
| jkollie | okay, but I need the time so I can be following | 19:36 |
| klarios | sorry it is 10 am my time | 19:36 |
| klarios | it would be 2 pm your time | 19:36 |
| klarios | it wont be online I believe | 19:36 |
| klarios | I am not sure of those details yet | 19:37 |
| jkollie | hmm okay | 19:37 |
| klarios | well alright here are some of the decisions we've made so far: We have agreed that we will do a presentation and a demonstration. For the demonstration we will use Nova web development's instance | 19:37 |
| fkoikoi | +1 | 19:38 |
| klarios | I think we should make 2 presentations, 1 for users and 1 for admins so that they equally have focus | 19:38 |
| jkollie | alright | 19:38 |
| johan_f | klarios, Do we know how much they know about decidim | 19:39 |
| klarios | time has not been made a constraint by the organization so i will assume this wont be an issue | 19:39 |
| klarios | if you have access to the user count in decidim you will notice its mostly NWD people | 19:40 |
| klarios | the user count of the DNOVA | 19:40 |
| klarios | that makes me assume that only some have knwoledge of decidim | 19:40 |
| klarios | like elenor or nairuty | 19:41 |
| johan_f | alright, then I think I agree it should probably be split | 19:41 |
| klarios | here is a link to the decidim nextcloud | 19:43 |
| klarios | we dont have anything yet but I propose we work here | 19:43 |
| klarios | https://share.mayfirst.org/s/4XD7PrqZFBwJCZK | 19:43 |
| klarios | https://share.mayfirst.org/s/JS46XHn6EMkcLaF | 19:43 |
| klarios | this would be the link to the presentation file I just made | 19:43 |
| klarios | I will make another one for users | 19:43 |
| klarios | https://share.mayfirst.org/s/xe8Dt3CTnimXDMk | 19:44 |
| klarios | are you all able to access it? | 19:44 |
| johan_f | +1 | 19:45 |
| klarios | now its a matter of organizing and assigning the work. I recommend you keep track of time if youre getting paid | 19:46 |
| johan_f | how do we want to assign this? | 19:48 |
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| fkoikoi__ | klarios | 19:52 |
| klarios | Hey guys give me a sec jelkner is calling me | 19:53 |
| fkoikoi__ | okay | 19:53 |
| johan_f | +1 | 19:53 |
| jkollie | alright | 19:53 |
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| klarios | jeff's word 'the outcomes that we want is for members of the community to join their own decidim, not decidim in general, be very concrete" "show them the DNOVA decidim" | 20:02 |
| klarios | johan_f: this changes our plans | 20:02 |
| johan_f | +1 | 20:03 |
| klarios | more on the user side | 20:04 |
| klarios | you were right johan_f we should do the user presentation | 20:04 |
| klarios | we will have presentation for admins another day | 20:04 |
| klarios | theyre all older people so it has to be user friendly | 20:05 |
| johan_f | we also wouldn't be doing the demo with the NOVA decidim | 20:06 |
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| klarios | no we will use the DNOVA decidim | 20:06 |
| klarios | jeff said "lets work on it tomorrow" | 20:07 |
| johan_f | alright | 20:07 |
| klarios | that much better clarity and less work | 20:07 |
| klarios | we will get more out of him tommorrow | 20:07 |
| johan_f | +1 | 20:07 |
| klarios | especially the demographic of people since he knows them better | 20:08 |
| klarios | alright then is there anything else decidim related that we couldnt mention? | 20:08 |
| klarios | on my side, that was the biggest update. Of course ill be biased and say that yall should check out the assembly for spanish learners when you have time but other than that I have nothing more to share | 20:09 |
| johan_f | I don't have anything specific to mention | 20:09 |
| klarios | great! Thank you for your time. Lets have a conversation about the office space tomorrow at 3 since we have no time left | 20:10 |
| johan_f | sure | 20:10 |
| johan_f | bye everyone | 20:10 |
| klarios | alright bye all! | 20:10 |
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