IRC log of #novawebdev for Thursday, 2025-03-27

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klarioshey all18:55
klarios!18:55
klarios!createmeeting 03/27/25 3:00:00 pm EST18:56
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anthony_phello all18:56
johan_fhello 18:56
klarios!createmeeting Decidim 03/27/25 3:00:00 pm EST18:56
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klariosokay lets plan the demonstration for tomorrow18:57
klarioswe had some plans yesterday but jeff gave us better perspective18:58
klarioshe basically wants us to show the DNOVA members how to access their own decidim 18:58
klariosI was telling johan_f I was worried about demoing the page because they have not used all of the decidim features yet18:59
anthony_pthat was what I got from talking to ben about ti18:59
anthony_pthat it was about helping the dnova folks use the dnova instance18:59
johan_funderstood 19:00
anthony_pso we need to explain the basic usage, and i think that should include signing up19:00
johan_f+119:00
klarios+119:00
anthony_ppart of the issue that we have in our decidim instances is the unnecessary extra accounts that people have created for themselves using multiple email addresses19:00
anthony_pthat makes it a nightmare for admins because we don't know which account they're going to log in as19:01
johan_fand there isnt an easy way to remove the multiple accounts as an admin19:01
anthony_pcorrect, the easiest way to remove extra accounts easily is to have users do it themselves19:01
johan_fand for that they would need to enter the account 19:02
jkollieGreetings everyone19:02
anthony_phello jkolli19:02
klariosunfortunately I cant delete my account because I used the old nova web dev email and thats been deleted 19:02
anthony_pshould be still available?19:02
anthony_pi still get my .org emails, and you can log into it and change the email as well19:03
klariosit was an old account that I deleted because it didnt work19:03
klariosI could try to make the account again with the same old email 19:04
klariosbut im not sure if that would work19:04
anthony_pyou should try logging in with that email, and if you can, you should delete it or see if you can change the email19:05
anthony_ptry lots of passwords19:05
anthony_pwe haven't implemented any failed login policies so you should be able to retry19:05
jkollieHi jelkner19:06
klariosokay Ill try it anthony_p 19:06
johan_fso other than a login part what else should we have the presentation19:06
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anthony_pbasic things that users can do should be the focus19:07
dcammueGood day, folks19:07
jelknerhello dcammue 19:07
dcammuehello jelkner 19:08
jelknerwill thomas and freena be here today, dcammue?19:08
anthony_phello dcammue19:08
dcammue+119:09
klarioswe should cover components or things users would use daily19:09
jkolliejelkner did you see my mail?19:09
dcammueI want to know if devesh will attend the meet today19:09
dcammuehow are you anthony_p 19:10
jkolliethey should be here any moment from now jelkner19:10
anthony_pi'm doing okay dcammue19:10
dcammuethere we go with freena 19:10
dcammuethat's great to know19:11
anthony_pso i think we should cover meetings, blogs, and proposals at a minimum19:11
johan_f+119:11
freenaGreetings jelkner, anthony_p, johan_f, klarios and anupama 19:11
klarios+119:11
anthony_pthose three things are how they share information with each other, with everyone outside, and how members can share ideas19:12
johan_fI think it would also be valuable to explain the differences between a process and assembly19:12
anthony_pyes19:12
klariosYeah. Maybe we can add a budget component as well19:12
anthony_pi haven't worked much with budget so it'll help me to see that as well19:12
klariosanthony_p: johan_f should we create the components in the DNOVA decidim so that we can show them?19:13
jkollieHi anupama, is great to have you here19:13
klariosanthony_p: sure me and johan_f have done it before19:13
johan_fklarios, I think we definitely could19:13
anthony_pi'm creating a workshop proposal section right now19:14
thomasboimahGreeting guys19:14
jelknerhello thomasboimah 19:14
anthony_phello thomasboimah19:14
klarioshi thomasboimah 19:14
dcammuehow are you thomasboimah 19:14
johan_fhello thomaboimah19:14
thomasboimahI'm Good19:14
johan_fIf they are planning on doing project management then the accountability module could be explained but otherwise it might be best not to19:15
thomasboimahACTION going read the log19:16
anthony_pi think we can hold off on accountability for now19:17
johan_falright19:17
klariosalright19:17
klariosI can create the budget19:17
anthony_pi think we have a lot of other stuff to cover19:17
jkolliehello bluberry19:17
bluberryhi jkollie!19:18
klariosyeah I dont know if we should treat this as a product showcase or just a simple demonstration 19:18
jkollieis great to have you here bluberry19:18
jkollieDid you see the mail I sent you?19:19
johan_fmaybe a simple demonstration?19:21
jkolliebluberry19:21
bluberrythank you! It's great to have you here too jkollie! When did you send me an email, I don't see one from recently. 19:21
freenajelkner: 19:22
anthony_pi think a simple demonstration is best19:22
jkollieyesterday 12:10 my time19:23
bluberryto what email?19:24
thomasboimahI just read the log guys, That sounds like a solid plan. A simple demonstration focusing on key features like meetings, blogs, and proposals will help the DNOVA members get comfortable with Decidim. Maybe we can also prepare a short guide or FAQ to help with common issues, like multiple accounts?19:24
klarioswe could show them scopes as well19:24
thomasboimahACTION just giving an input19:25
jkollieblu.medina@novawebdevelopment.coop19:26
anthony_pokay, so I put in a new proposal module and initial proposal: https://dnova.nextsystem.org/processes/summit2025/f/10/proposals/119:27
jelknerthomasboimah, i saw your pastebin19:28
jelknersame problem19:28
anthony_pand https://dnova.nextsystem.org/processes/summit2025/f/10/proposals19:28
jelknerthe key you gave me won't work19:28
thomasboimahHmmmmm19:28
jelknerkeys are one line19:28
jelknernot two19:28
bluberrythe only nova web development email I have access to is a .org email. Not a .coop jkollie19:28
johan_fanthony_p I like what you put but wouldn't it be better to put it into the assembly instead of the process?19:29
thomasboimahBut jelkner that is what i am see when i do: cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub19:29
thomasboimah in the terminal19:29
thomasboimah*seeing19:29
anthony_pjohan_f: no, it's specific to the process. it's a proposal module specifically for proposing workshops for the summit19:29
anthony_pa functional example created in the context of the operating process that is ongoing19:30
jkollieI thought the .org was'nt working19:30
jelknerwow19:30
jelknernow i'm confused thomasboimah 19:30
thomasboimahAbout what jelkner 19:31
anthony_pjelkner and thomasboimah, if it comes out in two lines, you should be able to remove the extra line break, when confirming against a public key, white space and line breaks are ignored19:31
jkollieI'll just send it again bluberry19:31
bluberryokay, got it!19:31
jelknerlook at what you send thomasboimah https://pastebin.com/L5XHsPu019:32
jelknerit has two lines19:32
jelknerssh keys are always on a single line19:32
jelknerso this won't work19:32
johan_fanthony_p, sorry i misunderstood what the proposal was meant for19:32
anthony_pthat is on a single line jelkner19:32
anthony_pi just copy and pasted it into gedit and it came out on a single line19:32
jelknerok19:33
jelknermy bad19:33
anthony_pthe slashes are just a convenient place for the renderer to put in visual line breaks i think19:33
anthony_pbut it's not putting those line breaks in the data itself, just when rendered19:33
thomasboimahThanks for this correction anthony_p 19:34
anthony_pso we have an example proposal for the demonstration within the summit process, we do need to do a bit on the dnova assembly though19:34
jelknerthomasboimah, try to ssh in19:34
anthony_pto that end, i think we should actually call it the DNOVA Council assembly to differentiate it19:35
jelkneruser tboimah19:35
jelknerhost19:35
johan_fSure Ill rename it19:35
jelkneri just put in the personal chat19:36
thomasboimahSure! i see it19:36
anthony_pjelkner does that make sense? if the decidim is meant to service dnova and the community they're trying to support, i feel like the general users are participants in the dnova organization, but we can have a dnova council assembly that represents the council itself as part of the dnova organization with the leadership pinned to the top as an assembly19:36
thomasboimahI am in jelkner 19:36
anthony_pjelkner, does that make sense?19:36
jelknerawesome thomasboimah 19:37
jelknerhold on...19:37
jelkneranthony_p, i'm not the one to ask about this19:37
jelknerbut it would be a great question for the council meeting tomorrow19:37
klariosSorry I was gone19:38
jkolliebluberry can you please check your mail19:38
johan_fanthony_p I renamed it for now depending on the answer we can rename it again later19:39
jelknerthomasboimah, just messaged you19:39
jelknerlet me know when you've changed your password19:40
thomasboimahsure i see it19:40
anthony_psounds good johan_f19:40
anthony_pi'm about to go in and make a little configuration change, because the budget is in euros19:40
klariosanthony_p: I think we have to understand and ask them their needs as an organization. Since its the first time were introducing decidim, I am not sure if the DNOVA council is ready to make the decision to use it19:40
bluberryjkollie I haven't received one yet19:40
thomasboimahjelkner, just message you19:41
thomasboimahACTION done changing my password19:42
jelknerthomasboimah, you and i are the only two who have an account on this machine at present19:43
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jelknerwe both have sudo19:43
jkollieI dont think the .org email is working that's why I tried the .coop, but you can send me any other email that works for you19:43
jelkneri blocked password login19:43
jelknerso only users with ssh keys can log in19:43
thomasboimahOkay19:43
bluberryjkollie you can use bm83026@email.vccs.edu19:44
jelknerthomasboimah, i documented the ruby setup i did here:19:45
johan_fanthony_p what did you do to configure the euro issues? The same thing is occurring for NOVA Web decidim19:45
jelknerhttps://codeberg.org/jelkner/learn_ruby19:45
jkollieokay19:45
thomasboimahNice one19:46
dcammuejkollie, just ask bluberry to past her email that is working here so you can use it instead.19:46
jkollieshe just did dcammue19:47
anthony_pjohan_f: i'm changing an environment variable for it19:48
anthony_pand probably have to restart19:48
johan_foh alright19:48
klariosokay19:48
johan_fi wanted to see if i could change it myself19:49
anthony_pi'll walk you through it for the other instances if it works properly here after a restart19:49
freenajelkner: you said that you were going to give some clarity on the apartment hunting/Secretary problem.19:51
johan_fanthony_p sounds food19:53
johan_f*good19:53
jkolliebluberry19:54
bluberryI responded to your email jkollie19:55
jkolliegood19:55
jelknerfreena, thomasboimah can we change the meeting time for saturday?19:57
jelkneryou saw i can't make our usual time, right?19:58
jelkneri emailed you about it.19:58
thomasboimahsure! madam chair freena 19:58
thomasboimahyou can do that 19:58
freenaChange the meeting to what time jelkner ??19:59
freenaOh, okay thomasboimah and jelkner 19:59
jelknerwould 17:00 UTC work for you?20:00
freena+1 for me 20:01
thomasboimahAnytime for you jelkner 20:01
thomasboimahThat way we are here for20:01
thomasboimahand receiving stipen20:02
thomasboimah*why20:02
jkollie+120:02
jelknerlol20:02
freena I Will send a message to everyone information them about the meeting time than 20:03
jelknerfreena, we have a difficult conversation we need to have20:03
jelkneras the expression goes "the well has run dry"20:03
freenaI'm here jelkner 20:03
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jelkneri can't keep up the amount i've been sending20:03
anthony_pjohan_f okay, i reset the currency symbol on dnova20:03
jelknerso we need to budget seriously20:03
johan_fnice anthony)p!20:03
jelknerfigure out how to get by with less, and develop a strategy for finding other funding sources20:04
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jelknerthat's what our meeting tomorrow will be about20:04
jelkneri'm making the promised April transfer now20:04
jelknerso it will be May and beyond we will be discussing20:04
jelknerthanks freena and thomasboimah 20:05
jelknergather folks up20:05
freenaMeeting tomorrow or Saturday jelkner???20:05
anthony_pjohan_f: to change the currency unit in an instance, you have to update the application.rb file in the application's config and add this line inside the application class20:05
anthony_pconfig.currency_unit = "$"20:05
anthony_pthen just restart20:05
johan_falright20:06
freenajelkner: ??20:06
jelknerfreena, ??20:06
freenaIs there meeting tomorrow or Saturday??20:07
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anthony_pi also updated the time zone as well20:07
freenajelkner: ??20:08
jelknerfreena, ??20:09
jelkneroh, lol20:09
jelknersaturday20:09
freenaAlright 20:09
jelkneri am at the DNOVA Council meeting tomorrow20:09
freenaI will just add what you were saying to the agenda for Saturday than20:09
jelknerklarios, and johan_f will be presenting Decidim to the council20:10
jelknerand anthony_p 20:10
freenaAlright 20:10
anthony_pgonna be an early morning for me20:10
anthony_pi do need the address of the location20:10
anthony_pprobably going to have to leave early to fight the 295 traffic20:11
klarios7950 Audubon Ave, Alexandria, VA 2230620:11
klarioswe thought you were coming remotely? anthony_p 20:12
klariosyou dont have to drive there20:12
freenaWish you all the best klarios, johan_f and anthony_p 20:12
klariosthank you freena !20:12
anthony_pare we doing it remotely? I thought they were hoping for folks to come in person?20:13
jelkneranthony_p, i assumed you and johan_f would join remotely20:14
jelknerthere are always a few remote people20:14
jelknermost people are in person20:14
jelknerbut it is hybrid20:14
jelknerso you could certainly come in remote20:14
anthony_palright20:15
anthony_pthat's fine then20:15
jelknercool20:15
freenaJelkner, you should please let me know if there is anything you will like to add on the agenda 20:15
anthony_pby the way, i have been working on trying to better understand the decidim infrastructure, and I am going to start looking at containerized deployment of the app using docker20:16
johan_fanthony_p, to restart the test server I would use sudo systemctl restart nginx?20:21
anthony_pi've found that it doesn't play friendly when you do that, because nginx is subservient to the application server, but the application server is a pain to restart. i've had the best results from simply rebooting the server20:22
anthony_psudo reboot now20:23
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klarioswho is chairing today?20:32
johan_fthank you anthony_p I was able to do it20:33
jelknercome on folks20:33
jelknerwhat's happening?20:33
anthony_p!meetings20:34
klariosalright since we dont have anything scheduled. Lets go over the things were working on20:34
anthony_p!help20:34
WebsterssAvailable commands: !add, !agenda, !createmeeting, !endmeeting, !help, !listmeetings, !remove, !startmeeting, !stopmeeting20:34
klarios!listmeetings20:34
WebsterssScheduled meetings:20:34
klariosyeah its not there20:34
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anthony_palright, we have no meeting and no agend, we can't let that happen again20:35
jelkner+120:35
jelknerwe can't20:35
klarios+120:35
anthony_pso, first thing we're going to do is decide on a chair for next meeting20:35
klarioswe need to organize these meetings better20:35
klariosI can be chair20:35
klariosanthony_p: 20:35
anthony_pwho's going to be responsible for organization at the next meeting?20:35
jelkneranthony_p, klarios the three of us are the legal owners of this coop20:36
jelknerand now that we are professionalizing20:36
anthony_palright, klarios is chair for the the next meeting20:36
jelknerwe need to take responsibility20:36
anthony_pi'll try and guide this one20:36
jelknerlet's have one of the three of us chair20:36
jelknerwe can take intern volunteers20:36
jelknerbut we can't expect them to follow through20:36
anthony_pfirst item, where are we at with CPA?20:36
jelknerwe have to20:36
klariosgreat! Its imperative for everyone to be aware that all meetings and discussions should be posted on decidim so that we are more organized20:36
jelknerthat's james, and he isn't here20:36
klarioswe have the tool we just need to use it20:37
anthony_pdoes Ved have any input?20:37
klarioshe might be not be connected20:37
anthony_palright, no update on CPA right now then20:38
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anthony_pnext item, Decidim20:38
anthony_pKei, Johan and I will be doing a presentation on it for the DNOVA council tomorrow morning20:39
anthony_pwe've done a bit of prep work, but we should take that a bit further, i would like to suggest, if johan an kei have time after, that we meet in jitsi to work on the presentation together with screen share and voice20:40
anthony_pif klarios and johan_f are up for that?20:40
anthony_panyone else would be welcome to join20:40
anthony_pthoughts?20:41
klariosyes I wanted to suggest that20:41
klarioslets do that right after this20:41
johan_fwe definitely should continue prepping20:41
anthony_pdo we have the summit planning meeting though?20:41
klariosjeff said we should do it at that time20:42
klariosso that DNOVA admins can also see the presentation20:42
jelkneranthony_p, not this week20:43
anthony_pokay, great20:43
jelknernext week we have a big one20:43
anthony_pso, meeting in after for the presentation20:43
anthony_pnext agenda item20:43
anthony_pinfrastructure20:44
anthony_pi'm currently in the process of figuring out how to run a dockerized version of decidim20:44
anthony_pmy goal is to have a completely containerized deployment of decidim that is configurable for future customers20:45
anthony_pwith a dockerized version of decidim and a kubernetes instance, we can make decidim instances that are resilient and reliable, and all of it is built on open software20:46
anthony_pi have been looking at the decidim team's own docker repo and working with that, but it's 5 months out of date and requires some work to use the latest version of decidim probably20:47
anthony_pany thoughts?20:48
klariosI am impressed. I truly have never used docker or any containerized versions of software but if you say its more resilient and configurable then that's exactly what we want20:48
jelkneryou're the man, anthony_p 20:48
klarioswe want to make this process 100 times easier than the first tie20:48
klariostime*20:48
jelknerwe need to be careful not to go down a rabbit hole20:48
jelknerwe have such limited resources20:48
jelknermaking good choices is what will determine whether we succeed20:49
klariosI think this is a good action to take20:49
jelkneranthony_p, our meeting next tuesday is a good time to learn more20:49
klariosif its mantained and makes your life easier while giving us the choice to configure easily20:50
jelknerwe'll be meeting with someone who can probably give us good guidance20:50
klariosfor costumers/ new instances, then its a dream come true20:50
anthony_pdoes anyone not know what docker or kubernetes are?20:50
klarios+120:50
klariosnever used it for anything but I have seen big projects on it20:51
anthony_pi will send some resources for folks to look at that will explain what docker and kubernetes are, and try  to describe how they will help us, we can discuss further in future meetings, but it's a lot and we don't have much time20:52
anthony_pare there any other concerns that anyone else wants to bring up?20:52
anthony_pam i missing anything jelkner or klarios?20:53
klariosthank you! that will be great resource for us20:53
klariosyes you are20:54
klariossorry20:54
klarioswe need to get rid of mail server nwd 0320:54
jelknergreat job grabbing the reins of the meeting anthony_p 20:54
jelknerthis was very productive20:54
jelknerthanks!20:54
johan_fi guess as a reminder the octree meeting will be on April 1st20:54
jelknernext week klarios will lead us in a discussion of the mail server20:55
klariosI'll make sure to back it up this week and we will bring it up next week20:55
jelkneryes johan_f 20:55
klariosokay were good, thank you for chairing anthony_p 20:55
anthony_pgreat, thanks!20:56
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anthony_pi'm starting a jitsi20:57
jelknerno need anthony_p 20:57
jelknerno one is coming20:57
anthony_pbut there is a need for the decidim presentation folks20:57
jelknerah yes20:57
jelknermy bad20:57
jelknerthanks all20:57
jelknerjetro folks, see you saturday at 17:00 UTC20:57
jelkneranthony_p, see you at 10:30 am on Jitsi for our meeting with Matt20:58
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thomasboimahOKay jelkner  we will be waiting to have a great conversation on Saturday20:59
thomasboimahwith you20:59
anthony_pjelkner, what day is that meeting?20:59
anthony_pwith matt?20:59
anthony_ptomorrow?20:59
jelknersaturday21:01
jelkneras usual21:01
jelkneri'll send out an email21:01
anthony_pjohan_f i set it up, kei left though21:04
anthony_phttps://meet.mayfirst.org/novawebdevelopment21:04
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jkollietake care everyone21:10
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