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klarios | hey all | 18:55 |
klarios | ! | 18:55 |
klarios | !createmeeting 03/27/25 3:00:00 pm EST | 18:56 |
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anthony_p | hello all | 18:56 |
johan_f | hello | 18:56 |
klarios | !createmeeting Decidim 03/27/25 3:00:00 pm EST | 18:56 |
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klarios | okay lets plan the demonstration for tomorrow | 18:57 |
klarios | we had some plans yesterday but jeff gave us better perspective | 18:58 |
klarios | he basically wants us to show the DNOVA members how to access their own decidim | 18:58 |
klarios | I was telling johan_f I was worried about demoing the page because they have not used all of the decidim features yet | 18:59 |
anthony_p | that was what I got from talking to ben about ti | 18:59 |
anthony_p | that it was about helping the dnova folks use the dnova instance | 18:59 |
johan_f | understood | 19:00 |
anthony_p | so we need to explain the basic usage, and i think that should include signing up | 19:00 |
johan_f | +1 | 19:00 |
klarios | +1 | 19:00 |
anthony_p | part of the issue that we have in our decidim instances is the unnecessary extra accounts that people have created for themselves using multiple email addresses | 19:00 |
anthony_p | that makes it a nightmare for admins because we don't know which account they're going to log in as | 19:01 |
johan_f | and there isnt an easy way to remove the multiple accounts as an admin | 19:01 |
anthony_p | correct, the easiest way to remove extra accounts easily is to have users do it themselves | 19:01 |
johan_f | and for that they would need to enter the account | 19:02 |
jkollie | Greetings everyone | 19:02 |
anthony_p | hello jkolli | 19:02 |
klarios | unfortunately I cant delete my account because I used the old nova web dev email and thats been deleted | 19:02 |
anthony_p | should be still available? | 19:02 |
anthony_p | i still get my .org emails, and you can log into it and change the email as well | 19:03 |
klarios | it was an old account that I deleted because it didnt work | 19:03 |
klarios | I could try to make the account again with the same old email | 19:04 |
klarios | but im not sure if that would work | 19:04 |
anthony_p | you should try logging in with that email, and if you can, you should delete it or see if you can change the email | 19:05 |
anthony_p | try lots of passwords | 19:05 |
anthony_p | we haven't implemented any failed login policies so you should be able to retry | 19:05 |
jkollie | Hi jelkner | 19:06 |
klarios | okay Ill try it anthony_p | 19:06 |
johan_f | so other than a login part what else should we have the presentation | 19:06 |
johan_f | cover | 19:06 |
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anthony_p | basic things that users can do should be the focus | 19:07 |
dcammue | Good day, folks | 19:07 |
jelkner | hello dcammue | 19:07 |
dcammue | hello jelkner | 19:08 |
jelkner | will thomas and freena be here today, dcammue? | 19:08 |
anthony_p | hello dcammue | 19:08 |
dcammue | +1 | 19:09 |
klarios | we should cover components or things users would use daily | 19:09 |
jkollie | jelkner did you see my mail? | 19:09 |
dcammue | I want to know if devesh will attend the meet today | 19:09 |
dcammue | how are you anthony_p | 19:10 |
jkollie | they should be here any moment from now jelkner | 19:10 |
anthony_p | i'm doing okay dcammue | 19:10 |
dcammue | there we go with freena | 19:10 |
dcammue | that's great to know | 19:11 |
anthony_p | so i think we should cover meetings, blogs, and proposals at a minimum | 19:11 |
johan_f | +1 | 19:11 |
freena | Greetings jelkner, anthony_p, johan_f, klarios and anupama | 19:11 |
klarios | +1 | 19:11 |
anthony_p | those three things are how they share information with each other, with everyone outside, and how members can share ideas | 19:12 |
johan_f | I think it would also be valuable to explain the differences between a process and assembly | 19:12 |
anthony_p | yes | 19:12 |
klarios | Yeah. Maybe we can add a budget component as well | 19:12 |
anthony_p | i haven't worked much with budget so it'll help me to see that as well | 19:12 |
klarios | anthony_p: johan_f should we create the components in the DNOVA decidim so that we can show them? | 19:13 |
jkollie | Hi anupama, is great to have you here | 19:13 |
klarios | anthony_p: sure me and johan_f have done it before | 19:13 |
johan_f | klarios, I think we definitely could | 19:13 |
anthony_p | i'm creating a workshop proposal section right now | 19:14 |
thomasboimah | Greeting guys | 19:14 |
jelkner | hello thomasboimah | 19:14 |
anthony_p | hello thomasboimah | 19:14 |
klarios | hi thomasboimah | 19:14 |
dcammue | how are you thomasboimah | 19:14 |
johan_f | hello thomaboimah | 19:14 |
thomasboimah | I'm Good | 19:14 |
johan_f | If they are planning on doing project management then the accountability module could be explained but otherwise it might be best not to | 19:15 |
thomasboimah | ACTION going read the log | 19:16 |
anthony_p | i think we can hold off on accountability for now | 19:17 |
johan_f | alright | 19:17 |
klarios | alright | 19:17 |
klarios | I can create the budget | 19:17 |
anthony_p | i think we have a lot of other stuff to cover | 19:17 |
jkollie | hello bluberry | 19:17 |
bluberry | hi jkollie! | 19:18 |
klarios | yeah I dont know if we should treat this as a product showcase or just a simple demonstration | 19:18 |
jkollie | is great to have you here bluberry | 19:18 |
jkollie | Did you see the mail I sent you? | 19:19 |
johan_f | maybe a simple demonstration? | 19:21 |
jkollie | bluberry | 19:21 |
bluberry | thank you! It's great to have you here too jkollie! When did you send me an email, I don't see one from recently. | 19:21 |
freena | jelkner: | 19:22 |
anthony_p | i think a simple demonstration is best | 19:22 |
jkollie | yesterday 12:10 my time | 19:23 |
bluberry | to what email? | 19:24 |
thomasboimah | I just read the log guys, That sounds like a solid plan. A simple demonstration focusing on key features like meetings, blogs, and proposals will help the DNOVA members get comfortable with Decidim. Maybe we can also prepare a short guide or FAQ to help with common issues, like multiple accounts? | 19:24 |
klarios | we could show them scopes as well | 19:24 |
thomasboimah | ACTION just giving an input | 19:25 |
jkollie | blu.medina@novawebdevelopment.coop | 19:26 |
anthony_p | okay, so I put in a new proposal module and initial proposal: https://dnova.nextsystem.org/processes/summit2025/f/10/proposals/1 | 19:27 |
jelkner | thomasboimah, i saw your pastebin | 19:28 |
jelkner | same problem | 19:28 |
anthony_p | and https://dnova.nextsystem.org/processes/summit2025/f/10/proposals | 19:28 |
jelkner | the key you gave me won't work | 19:28 |
thomasboimah | Hmmmmm | 19:28 |
jelkner | keys are one line | 19:28 |
jelkner | not two | 19:28 |
bluberry | the only nova web development email I have access to is a .org email. Not a .coop jkollie | 19:28 |
johan_f | anthony_p I like what you put but wouldn't it be better to put it into the assembly instead of the process? | 19:29 |
thomasboimah | But jelkner that is what i am see when i do: cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | 19:29 |
thomasboimah | in the terminal | 19:29 |
thomasboimah | *seeing | 19:29 |
anthony_p | johan_f: no, it's specific to the process. it's a proposal module specifically for proposing workshops for the summit | 19:29 |
anthony_p | a functional example created in the context of the operating process that is ongoing | 19:30 |
jkollie | I thought the .org was'nt working | 19:30 |
jelkner | wow | 19:30 |
jelkner | now i'm confused thomasboimah | 19:30 |
thomasboimah | About what jelkner | 19:31 |
anthony_p | jelkner and thomasboimah, if it comes out in two lines, you should be able to remove the extra line break, when confirming against a public key, white space and line breaks are ignored | 19:31 |
jkollie | I'll just send it again bluberry | 19:31 |
bluberry | okay, got it! | 19:31 |
jelkner | look at what you send thomasboimah https://pastebin.com/L5XHsPu0 | 19:32 |
jelkner | it has two lines | 19:32 |
jelkner | ssh keys are always on a single line | 19:32 |
jelkner | so this won't work | 19:32 |
johan_f | anthony_p, sorry i misunderstood what the proposal was meant for | 19:32 |
anthony_p | that is on a single line jelkner | 19:32 |
anthony_p | i just copy and pasted it into gedit and it came out on a single line | 19:32 |
jelkner | ok | 19:33 |
jelkner | my bad | 19:33 |
anthony_p | the slashes are just a convenient place for the renderer to put in visual line breaks i think | 19:33 |
anthony_p | but it's not putting those line breaks in the data itself, just when rendered | 19:33 |
thomasboimah | Thanks for this correction anthony_p | 19:34 |
anthony_p | so we have an example proposal for the demonstration within the summit process, we do need to do a bit on the dnova assembly though | 19:34 |
jelkner | thomasboimah, try to ssh in | 19:34 |
anthony_p | to that end, i think we should actually call it the DNOVA Council assembly to differentiate it | 19:35 |
jelkner | user tboimah | 19:35 |
jelkner | host | 19:35 |
johan_f | Sure Ill rename it | 19:35 |
jelkner | i just put in the personal chat | 19:36 |
thomasboimah | Sure! i see it | 19:36 |
anthony_p | jelkner does that make sense? if the decidim is meant to service dnova and the community they're trying to support, i feel like the general users are participants in the dnova organization, but we can have a dnova council assembly that represents the council itself as part of the dnova organization with the leadership pinned to the top as an assembly | 19:36 |
thomasboimah | I am in jelkner | 19:36 |
anthony_p | jelkner, does that make sense? | 19:36 |
jelkner | awesome thomasboimah | 19:37 |
jelkner | hold on... | 19:37 |
jelkner | anthony_p, i'm not the one to ask about this | 19:37 |
jelkner | but it would be a great question for the council meeting tomorrow | 19:37 |
klarios | Sorry I was gone | 19:38 |
jkollie | bluberry can you please check your mail | 19:38 |
johan_f | anthony_p I renamed it for now depending on the answer we can rename it again later | 19:39 |
jelkner | thomasboimah, just messaged you | 19:39 |
jelkner | let me know when you've changed your password | 19:40 |
thomasboimah | sure i see it | 19:40 |
anthony_p | sounds good johan_f | 19:40 |
anthony_p | i'm about to go in and make a little configuration change, because the budget is in euros | 19:40 |
klarios | anthony_p: I think we have to understand and ask them their needs as an organization. Since its the first time were introducing decidim, I am not sure if the DNOVA council is ready to make the decision to use it | 19:40 |
bluberry | jkollie I haven't received one yet | 19:40 |
thomasboimah | jelkner, just message you | 19:41 |
thomasboimah | ACTION done changing my password | 19:42 |
jelkner | thomasboimah, you and i are the only two who have an account on this machine at present | 19:43 |
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jelkner | we both have sudo | 19:43 |
jkollie | I dont think the .org email is working that's why I tried the .coop, but you can send me any other email that works for you | 19:43 |
jelkner | i blocked password login | 19:43 |
jelkner | so only users with ssh keys can log in | 19:43 |
thomasboimah | Okay | 19:43 |
bluberry | jkollie you can use bm83026@email.vccs.edu | 19:44 |
jelkner | thomasboimah, i documented the ruby setup i did here: | 19:45 |
johan_f | anthony_p what did you do to configure the euro issues? The same thing is occurring for NOVA Web decidim | 19:45 |
jelkner | https://codeberg.org/jelkner/learn_ruby | 19:45 |
jkollie | okay | 19:45 |
thomasboimah | Nice one | 19:46 |
dcammue | jkollie, just ask bluberry to past her email that is working here so you can use it instead. | 19:46 |
jkollie | she just did dcammue | 19:47 |
anthony_p | johan_f: i'm changing an environment variable for it | 19:48 |
anthony_p | and probably have to restart | 19:48 |
johan_f | oh alright | 19:48 |
klarios | okay | 19:48 |
johan_f | i wanted to see if i could change it myself | 19:49 |
anthony_p | i'll walk you through it for the other instances if it works properly here after a restart | 19:49 |
freena | jelkner: you said that you were going to give some clarity on the apartment hunting/Secretary problem. | 19:51 |
johan_f | anthony_p sounds food | 19:53 |
johan_f | *good | 19:53 |
jkollie | bluberry | 19:54 |
bluberry | I responded to your email jkollie | 19:55 |
jkollie | good | 19:55 |
jelkner | freena, thomasboimah can we change the meeting time for saturday? | 19:57 |
jelkner | you saw i can't make our usual time, right? | 19:58 |
jelkner | i emailed you about it. | 19:58 |
thomasboimah | sure! madam chair freena | 19:58 |
thomasboimah | you can do that | 19:58 |
freena | Change the meeting to what time jelkner ?? | 19:59 |
freena | Oh, okay thomasboimah and jelkner | 19:59 |
jelkner | would 17:00 UTC work for you? | 20:00 |
freena | +1 for me | 20:01 |
thomasboimah | Anytime for you jelkner | 20:01 |
thomasboimah | That way we are here for | 20:01 |
thomasboimah | and receiving stipen | 20:02 |
thomasboimah | *why | 20:02 |
jkollie | +1 | 20:02 |
jelkner | lol | 20:02 |
freena | I Will send a message to everyone information them about the meeting time than | 20:03 |
jelkner | freena, we have a difficult conversation we need to have | 20:03 |
jelkner | as the expression goes "the well has run dry" | 20:03 |
freena | I'm here jelkner | 20:03 |
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jelkner | i can't keep up the amount i've been sending | 20:03 |
anthony_p | johan_f okay, i reset the currency symbol on dnova | 20:03 |
jelkner | so we need to budget seriously | 20:03 |
johan_f | nice anthony)p! | 20:03 |
jelkner | figure out how to get by with less, and develop a strategy for finding other funding sources | 20:04 |
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jelkner | that's what our meeting tomorrow will be about | 20:04 |
jelkner | i'm making the promised April transfer now | 20:04 |
jelkner | so it will be May and beyond we will be discussing | 20:04 |
jelkner | thanks freena and thomasboimah | 20:05 |
jelkner | gather folks up | 20:05 |
freena | Meeting tomorrow or Saturday jelkner??? | 20:05 |
anthony_p | johan_f: to change the currency unit in an instance, you have to update the application.rb file in the application's config and add this line inside the application class | 20:05 |
anthony_p | config.currency_unit = "$" | 20:05 |
anthony_p | then just restart | 20:05 |
johan_f | alright | 20:06 |
freena | jelkner: ?? | 20:06 |
jelkner | freena, ?? | 20:06 |
freena | Is there meeting tomorrow or Saturday?? | 20:07 |
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anthony_p | i also updated the time zone as well | 20:07 |
freena | jelkner: ?? | 20:08 |
jelkner | freena, ?? | 20:09 |
jelkner | oh, lol | 20:09 |
jelkner | saturday | 20:09 |
freena | Alright | 20:09 |
jelkner | i am at the DNOVA Council meeting tomorrow | 20:09 |
freena | I will just add what you were saying to the agenda for Saturday than | 20:09 |
jelkner | klarios, and johan_f will be presenting Decidim to the council | 20:10 |
jelkner | and anthony_p | 20:10 |
freena | Alright | 20:10 |
anthony_p | gonna be an early morning for me | 20:10 |
anthony_p | i do need the address of the location | 20:10 |
anthony_p | probably going to have to leave early to fight the 295 traffic | 20:11 |
klarios | 7950 Audubon Ave, Alexandria, VA 22306 | 20:11 |
klarios | we thought you were coming remotely? anthony_p | 20:12 |
klarios | you dont have to drive there | 20:12 |
freena | Wish you all the best klarios, johan_f and anthony_p | 20:12 |
klarios | thank you freena ! | 20:12 |
anthony_p | are we doing it remotely? I thought they were hoping for folks to come in person? | 20:13 |
jelkner | anthony_p, i assumed you and johan_f would join remotely | 20:14 |
jelkner | there are always a few remote people | 20:14 |
jelkner | most people are in person | 20:14 |
jelkner | but it is hybrid | 20:14 |
jelkner | so you could certainly come in remote | 20:14 |
anthony_p | alright | 20:15 |
anthony_p | that's fine then | 20:15 |
jelkner | cool | 20:15 |
freena | Jelkner, you should please let me know if there is anything you will like to add on the agenda | 20:15 |
anthony_p | by the way, i have been working on trying to better understand the decidim infrastructure, and I am going to start looking at containerized deployment of the app using docker | 20:16 |
johan_f | anthony_p, to restart the test server I would use sudo systemctl restart nginx? | 20:21 |
anthony_p | i've found that it doesn't play friendly when you do that, because nginx is subservient to the application server, but the application server is a pain to restart. i've had the best results from simply rebooting the server | 20:22 |
anthony_p | sudo reboot now | 20:23 |
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klarios | who is chairing today? | 20:32 |
johan_f | thank you anthony_p I was able to do it | 20:33 |
jelkner | come on folks | 20:33 |
jelkner | what's happening? | 20:33 |
anthony_p | !meetings | 20:34 |
klarios | alright since we dont have anything scheduled. Lets go over the things were working on | 20:34 |
anthony_p | !help | 20:34 |
Websterss | Available commands: !add, !agenda, !createmeeting, !endmeeting, !help, !listmeetings, !remove, !startmeeting, !stopmeeting | 20:34 |
klarios | !listmeetings | 20:34 |
Websterss | Scheduled meetings: | 20:34 |
klarios | yeah its not there | 20:34 |
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anthony_p | alright, we have no meeting and no agend, we can't let that happen again | 20:35 |
jelkner | +1 | 20:35 |
jelkner | we can't | 20:35 |
klarios | +1 | 20:35 |
anthony_p | so, first thing we're going to do is decide on a chair for next meeting | 20:35 |
klarios | we need to organize these meetings better | 20:35 |
klarios | I can be chair | 20:35 |
klarios | anthony_p: | 20:35 |
anthony_p | who's going to be responsible for organization at the next meeting? | 20:35 |
jelkner | anthony_p, klarios the three of us are the legal owners of this coop | 20:36 |
jelkner | and now that we are professionalizing | 20:36 |
anthony_p | alright, klarios is chair for the the next meeting | 20:36 |
jelkner | we need to take responsibility | 20:36 |
anthony_p | i'll try and guide this one | 20:36 |
jelkner | let's have one of the three of us chair | 20:36 |
jelkner | we can take intern volunteers | 20:36 |
jelkner | but we can't expect them to follow through | 20:36 |
anthony_p | first item, where are we at with CPA? | 20:36 |
jelkner | we have to | 20:36 |
klarios | great! Its imperative for everyone to be aware that all meetings and discussions should be posted on decidim so that we are more organized | 20:36 |
jelkner | that's james, and he isn't here | 20:36 |
klarios | we have the tool we just need to use it | 20:37 |
anthony_p | does Ved have any input? | 20:37 |
klarios | he might be not be connected | 20:37 |
anthony_p | alright, no update on CPA right now then | 20:38 |
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anthony_p | next item, Decidim | 20:38 |
anthony_p | Kei, Johan and I will be doing a presentation on it for the DNOVA council tomorrow morning | 20:39 |
anthony_p | we've done a bit of prep work, but we should take that a bit further, i would like to suggest, if johan an kei have time after, that we meet in jitsi to work on the presentation together with screen share and voice | 20:40 |
anthony_p | if klarios and johan_f are up for that? | 20:40 |
anthony_p | anyone else would be welcome to join | 20:40 |
anthony_p | thoughts? | 20:41 |
klarios | yes I wanted to suggest that | 20:41 |
klarios | lets do that right after this | 20:41 |
johan_f | we definitely should continue prepping | 20:41 |
anthony_p | do we have the summit planning meeting though? | 20:41 |
klarios | jeff said we should do it at that time | 20:42 |
klarios | so that DNOVA admins can also see the presentation | 20:42 |
jelkner | anthony_p, not this week | 20:43 |
anthony_p | okay, great | 20:43 |
jelkner | next week we have a big one | 20:43 |
anthony_p | so, meeting in after for the presentation | 20:43 |
anthony_p | next agenda item | 20:43 |
anthony_p | infrastructure | 20:44 |
anthony_p | i'm currently in the process of figuring out how to run a dockerized version of decidim | 20:44 |
anthony_p | my goal is to have a completely containerized deployment of decidim that is configurable for future customers | 20:45 |
anthony_p | with a dockerized version of decidim and a kubernetes instance, we can make decidim instances that are resilient and reliable, and all of it is built on open software | 20:46 |
anthony_p | i have been looking at the decidim team's own docker repo and working with that, but it's 5 months out of date and requires some work to use the latest version of decidim probably | 20:47 |
anthony_p | any thoughts? | 20:48 |
klarios | I am impressed. I truly have never used docker or any containerized versions of software but if you say its more resilient and configurable then that's exactly what we want | 20:48 |
jelkner | you're the man, anthony_p | 20:48 |
klarios | we want to make this process 100 times easier than the first tie | 20:48 |
klarios | time* | 20:48 |
jelkner | we need to be careful not to go down a rabbit hole | 20:48 |
jelkner | we have such limited resources | 20:48 |
jelkner | making good choices is what will determine whether we succeed | 20:49 |
klarios | I think this is a good action to take | 20:49 |
jelkner | anthony_p, our meeting next tuesday is a good time to learn more | 20:49 |
klarios | if its mantained and makes your life easier while giving us the choice to configure easily | 20:50 |
jelkner | we'll be meeting with someone who can probably give us good guidance | 20:50 |
klarios | for costumers/ new instances, then its a dream come true | 20:50 |
anthony_p | does anyone not know what docker or kubernetes are? | 20:50 |
klarios | +1 | 20:50 |
klarios | never used it for anything but I have seen big projects on it | 20:51 |
anthony_p | i will send some resources for folks to look at that will explain what docker and kubernetes are, and try to describe how they will help us, we can discuss further in future meetings, but it's a lot and we don't have much time | 20:52 |
anthony_p | are there any other concerns that anyone else wants to bring up? | 20:52 |
anthony_p | am i missing anything jelkner or klarios? | 20:53 |
klarios | thank you! that will be great resource for us | 20:53 |
klarios | yes you are | 20:54 |
klarios | sorry | 20:54 |
klarios | we need to get rid of mail server nwd 03 | 20:54 |
jelkner | great job grabbing the reins of the meeting anthony_p | 20:54 |
jelkner | this was very productive | 20:54 |
jelkner | thanks! | 20:54 |
johan_f | i guess as a reminder the octree meeting will be on April 1st | 20:54 |
jelkner | next week klarios will lead us in a discussion of the mail server | 20:55 |
klarios | I'll make sure to back it up this week and we will bring it up next week | 20:55 |
jelkner | yes johan_f | 20:55 |
klarios | okay were good, thank you for chairing anthony_p | 20:55 |
anthony_p | great, thanks! | 20:56 |
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anthony_p | i'm starting a jitsi | 20:57 |
jelkner | no need anthony_p | 20:57 |
jelkner | no one is coming | 20:57 |
anthony_p | but there is a need for the decidim presentation folks | 20:57 |
jelkner | ah yes | 20:57 |
jelkner | my bad | 20:57 |
jelkner | thanks all | 20:57 |
jelkner | jetro folks, see you saturday at 17:00 UTC | 20:57 |
jelkner | anthony_p, see you at 10:30 am on Jitsi for our meeting with Matt | 20:58 |
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thomasboimah | OKay jelkner we will be waiting to have a great conversation on Saturday | 20:59 |
thomasboimah | with you | 20:59 |
anthony_p | jelkner, what day is that meeting? | 20:59 |
anthony_p | with matt? | 20:59 |
anthony_p | tomorrow? | 20:59 |
jelkner | saturday | 21:01 |
jelkner | as usual | 21:01 |
jelkner | i'll send out an email | 21:01 |
anthony_p | johan_f i set it up, kei left though | 21:04 |
anthony_p | https://meet.mayfirst.org/novawebdevelopment | 21:04 |
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jkollie | take care everyone | 21:10 |
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