IRC log of #novawebdev for Thursday, 2025-05-08

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johan_f!agenda13:28
WebsterssAgenda for meeting 'NovaWebDev':13:28
WebsterssUpdated Accountability Blog (added by: johan_f)13:28
WebsterssOld DNOVA decidim server (added by: klarios_)13:28
WebsterssVOCA Updates? (added by: johan_f)13:29
Webstersschange db password for libre organize branches (added by: klarios_)13:29
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thomasboimahGreeting everyone19:01
klarioshi thomasboimah !19:03
klarioshi all19:03
klarios!19:03
thomasboimahHi klarios 19:03
klarioshow are you doing thomasboimah ?19:04
klariosI heard it almost your bday is that right? thomasboimah 19:04
thomasboimahMy bday is September 819:05
klariosooo so it wasnt you19:05
klarioswell now we have the date saved up19:05
thomasboimahI think it is mkolleh 19:05
klarioswhen is your bday mkolleh ?19:05
mkollehMay 1719:06
mkollehis my birthday19:06
klariosoooh so your bday is soon then 19:06
mkollehYes19:06
klariosnicee nice 19:06
klariosu have anything planned?19:06
mkollehNot really19:07
mkollehI'm not celebrating it19:08
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klariosi see 19:17
klariosthats alright we can do a little celebration from thousands of miles away!19:17
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klarioshi jkollie how are you19:29
jkollieI'm good and you?19:30
klariosim doing good thank you19:30
klariosjeff is a bit busy with old colleague so lets catch up a little 19:31
mulbahOkay19:32
jkolliealright19:33
klariosjelkner needs a server19:35
klarioswe want the .org mail server and database to be backed up19:36
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klariosso that we can use them for the webapps19:37
klariosthomasboimah: are you on?19:47
mulbahklarios which webaps19:47
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thomasboimahjelkner, said that we are going to decide on that in the meeting here before carrying on with the work.19:49
thomasboimahsorry my connection drop19:49
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mkollehHi anthony_p19:59
anthony_phey mkolleh19:59
mkollehHow are you doing19:59
thomasboimahGreeting anthony_p 20:00
thomasboimahLongtime20:00
anthony_pstressed with the end of the semester20:00
anthony_palmost over20:00
shallonHola jelkner 20:00
anthony_phey thomasboimah20:00
thomasboimahHola shallon :-)20:00
mkollehHow are you doing svaye20:00
shallonHi anthony_p thomasboimah mkolleh 20:00
shallonHow are you guys doing?20:01
mkollehanthony_p klaros was talking about a webapps 20:01
mkollehcan you please tell us which webapp20:01
anthony_pi don't have any context for that20:03
anthony_pah, it was about nova's mail server20:05
anthony_pshe was talking about setting up our organizational accounts so that we can use new addresses for our .coop tld for those, like admin@novawebdevelopment.coop rather than .org20:06
anthony_pto have our webpages and decidim servers send automated emails from those accounts using the new tld20:07
jelknerHola shallon, que tal?20:15
jelknerklarios and i are here with zOnny, the former worker-owner of NOVA Web20:16
jelknerhe is meeting klarios for the first time20:16
jelknerhe knows all our current customers20:17
jelknerlike Maryland Latino Legislative Caucus, etc.20:17
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jelknerSince he did the websites for them originally20:18
jelknerthomasboimah, gabriel_jetro, mkolleh 20:18
jelknerwe have work to do tonight if possible20:18
mkollehYes20:18
mkollehokay20:18
thomasboimahAnytime for jelkner 20:18
thomasboimah*you20:19
gabriel_jetrosure20:19
mkollehwe are really20:19
jelkneri promised cjones we would have a server for him by tomorrow morning20:19
jelkneri am trying not to pay for yet another linode20:19
jelknersince the bill gets bigger and bigger20:19
jelknerand we don20:19
jelknerand we don't do what we need to do to keep it from blowing up20:20
jelknerso, let's try to do that20:20
jelknerzOnny can't stay20:20
jelknerhe has all the skills and knowledge we would need to solve these problems20:20
jelknerbut he is about to graduate (from UoPeople) with his CS degree!20:21
jelknerso he needs to leave20:21
jelknerand study20:21
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jelkner!agenda20:29
WebsterssAgenda for meeting 'NovaWebDev':20:29
WebsterssUpdated Accountability Blog (added by: johan_f)20:29
WebsterssOld DNOVA decidim server (added by: klarios_)20:29
WebsterssVOCA Updates? (added by: johan_f)20:29
Webstersschange db password for libre organize branches (added by: klarios_)20:29
klarios!endmeeting20:30
klarios!list20:30
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Websterss📅 Scheduled meetings:20:30
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jelknerhi all20:30
jelknerklarios, if you want, i can chair tonight20:30
klariosthank you jelkner !20:30
jelkneri only have one agenda item20:31
jelknerwe need to free up a server for cjones to deploy the Django application we will be demoing at Pycon next week20:31
jelknerdoes anyone have anything else?20:31
jelknerhearing nothing20:33
anthony_pi don't have anything specific20:33
jelknerok, then let's dive in20:33
anthony_pdon't know if you are aware of this file: https://share.mayfirst.org/s/dYkffxr5cbzFdZG20:33
mulbahkolleh__can we conclude on the forwarding of the mail20:33
anthony_pthat's a server list from 2023 that lists what a bunch of the linode servers are supposed to be20:34
jelknerYes, anthony_p, that's what we need20:34
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jelknerthomasboimah, here is a chance for you to get more closely familiar with our infrastructure20:36
klariosit needs to be updated too 20:36
klariosits more than 92 per month20:36
jelkneryes, it sure does20:36
jelknerthomasboimah, *this* is the kind of thing Jetro can invoice us for20:36
jelknersince until we develop the ability to manage our own infrastructure20:36
jelknerwe aren't ready to do business20:36
jelknerwe need to go through each of these servers20:37
jelknerfigure out which ones are no longer needed, and shut them down!20:37
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jelknerthat will save us money that we are just wasting now20:37
jelknerwhen we could be using it to hire Jetro! ;-)20:37
jelknerso thomasboimah, gabriel_jetro, mulbahkolleh__ 20:38
jelknertake a look and start asking questions20:38
thomasboimah+120:38
jelknerwe want to give thomasboimah all the access he needs to do anything y'all need to do20:38
jelkneraccess to our linode account20:38
jelkneretc.20:38
klariosOn my part I can get contact all the clients that have their linodes and are paying for them but I need to know that the development team can move the servers20:39
mulbahkolleh__okay20:40
mulbahkolleh__so when you want us to clear the serve for cjones20:42
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jelknermulbahkolleh__, gabriel_jetro, thomasboimah, no one is using that mcss mail server, right?20:46
mulbahkolleh__yes20:46
thomasboimahyes20:46
gabriel_jetroi guess20:46
jelknerthomasboimah, mulbahkolleh__, gabriel_jetro, jkollie_, where is freena?20:48
klariosanthony_p: is the excel in the nova web nextcloud?20:48
anthony_pYES20:48
anthony_pyes20:48
klariosok 20:48
thomasboimahfreena is a bit sick20:48
anthony_pit's under Documents > Server Information20:48
klariosdo you know what folder its in?20:48
klariosthank you20:48
jelknerjetro folks, i'm sitting here with klarios talking20:48
jelknerwe're in the same room, so you didn't hear what we were saying ;-)20:49
jelknerbut you know the basic story already20:49
jelknerwe need to figure out how to become a viable business20:49
jelkneri'm going to keep working with you to think about what that means20:49
jelknerwe are making huge progress on the dev side20:49
jelknerbut we need to make progress on the business side too20:50
jelkneri'll be expecting freena to be in charge of that20:50
jelknershe's the other current staff person, after all20:50
jelknermake sense?20:50
gabriel_jetro+120:50
mulbahkolleh__+120:50
jelknerkeep in mind that i made the decision this time, but *YOU* as a coop should make it next time20:51
jelknerNOVA Web will tell you what we need and what we are willing to pay for20:51
jelknerbut you tell us how you organize delivery20:51
jelknerthat's the goal20:51
mulbahkolleh__sure20:51
jelknerour quickest path to becoming a viable business is to be simply your access to the U.S. market for now20:52
jelknerwe'll need help with everything20:52
jelknerin fact, i'm dreaming of a year from now when the very bright, very talented students cjones and i get in our classes will be learning from you.20:53
jelkneryou'll be telling them what to do and helping them learn20:53
jelknerwe are there, but we want to move in that direction20:53
jelknerso now let's get back to our immediate task20:53
jelknerwe need this spreadsheet updated20:53
jelknerwithout accurate information, we can't make good business decisions20:54
jelknersimple as that20:54
klarios+1 yep 20:54
mulbahkolleh__sure jelkner20:55
mulbahkolleh__That sound great20:55
klariosThe course of action is that we need someone to go through our linode and update that spreadsheet20:56
klariosand we need to free up a server asap for cjones20:56
klariosthats our priority 20:56
thomasboimahI've successfully accessed the Linode dashboard and can see all active servers including claudiajones, decidim, students, etc. I’ll begin reviewing each server, cross-referencing them with the list Anthony shared, and will follow up with questions where needed20:59
thomasboimahPlease let me know if i am in the wrong21:00
anthony_pthe sooner we clear up email, the sooner we can drop that server21:00
mulbahkolleh__where should we backup the email21:00
anthony_pi think that it should probably be done by email address if possible21:02
anthony_pmine don't need to be backed up because i already transferred all of my old emails into my new .coop box and they're stored on the may first servers21:02
anthony_pimap is convenient like that21:02
anthony_panyone with an address on the may first servers can do the same21:03
mulbahkolleh__so the main stuff here is the forwarding of the mail21:04
anthony_pwhich means that the only emails we would need to worry about backing up would be those in email boxes held by past members that wont have a new box. in that case, we can probably just download their emails into individual archives and make them available for those individuals to download from one of our already existing servers or from the nextcloud in individually assigned folders21:05
mulbahkolleh__sure that will be cool21:06
anthony_ponce those old emails are archived/backed up like that, and we have the .org set up on may first, we can just shut down the old server21:06
mulbahkolleh__okay21:08
mulbahkolleh__so what about the mail forwarding21:09
anthony_pthat should all be done through mayfirst21:09
anthony_pwe should have mayfirst set up to receive and then forward all novawebdevelopment.org addresses21:09
mulbahkolleh__we wanted to do it with all the mail but jeff side he will choose which one to do the forwarding with21:10
anthony_pso that customers that have the old addresses can still contact us through them if they don't have the new address21:10
johan_fklarios, anthony_p, I wrote a blog post about Participants Impersonations. It essentially allows those who don't completely understand how to create an account to easily create one through an admin or participant manager.21:10
johan_fhttps://decidim.novawebdevelopment.org/assemblies/novaweborg/f/18/posts/4321:10
klarios+1 I took a look at it thank you johan_f !21:10
johan_fI had a lot of success with implementing it in the test server21:10
anthony_pyep, i figured that one out a while back, it's why i had some basic authorization stuff already enabled in our live and the dnova decidim server21:11
johan_fNice21:11
anthony_pbut i was using a manual hand jammed list of emails for organizational authorizations21:12
klarioscool anthony_p we will definitely be using that in our manual21:12
anthony_pwe need to learn how to do the authorizations for other customers, and it's also a means for limiting certain administrative functions, but it's primary usefulness i think is if you want to confirm identities for any voting in a municipal context21:13
johan_f+121:13
klarios+121:13
anthony_pwhich would require the identity documents probably, and we'll need to figure that system out21:14
klariosyep right now everyone is just an admin which isn't realistic to how it should be 21:14
johan_fMy blog post mainly focused on the custom forms and how you can promote an impersonation participant to a regular one.21:14
klariosyep, I especially want to see the census system etc. 21:14
anthony_pthe census system is really just a list of emails21:15
klarios+1 21:15
anthony_pyou authorize individuals by confirming their membership in the organization using an offline method, then put their email in a csv that gets uploaded21:15
klariosto update we will back up and take down PRT-5 21:15
anthony_pyeah21:16
anthony_pthat one looked mostly useless to me21:16
mulbahkolleh__anthony_p will we be forwarding all the mail or a specific mail21:16
klariosand we will take down PRT-06 this weej21:16
klariosweek*21:16
anthony_pthe mail that will be forwarded will be a select list21:16
anthony_pif it is a user that has both a .org and a .coop it should be forwarded21:17
mulbahkolleh__can we get the list21:17
klariosthere are so many .org addresses that we dont use21:17
anthony_pshould also be forwarding admin@ .coop and info@ .coop i belive because both of those get used in older sites by customers21:17
klariosthis is going to be a lot of worl 21:18
mulbahkolleh__we want to be done with it tomorrow or today if possible21:18
anthony_pjelkner sent an email with the list of .org emails that need to be forwarded I believe21:18
klariosyep 21:18
anthony_pactually, no he didn't21:20
anthony_phe responded to the list you sent21:20
mulbahkolleh__He haven't email any list21:21
anthony_pand he didn't update anything in the response, just mentioned needing to also have forwards for admin@ and contact@21:22
anthony_pso i don't know who on that list needs a new box or forwarding21:22
klariosanother thing we want with the .org addresses is an auto-reply that says "Dont message us here" or somethign to anyone who reaches out to our .org 21:22
mulbahkolleh__okay21:23
mulbahkolleh__Just a message telling the user they we are now using .coop21:23
klariosiyep 21:24
klariosinstead of bouncing it would auto-reply 21:24
mulbahkolleh__so only admin@ and contact@ we will be forwarding right21:25
klariosis there a contact and a members?21:25
klariosanthony_p: is it possible to have auto-reply for people reaching us to the .org? 21:26
jelkneranthony_p, how much do you know about email?21:26
jelknerwe don't have that many customers21:27
anthony_pi don't know a whole lot about email servers, i only really understand how it moves through a network and how it can be used21:27
jelknerand we are really in a place where we could "retrain them" to use our .coop domain21:27
jelknerhere is what i am hoping to do:21:27
mulbahkolleh__okay21:28
jelkner1. Have a mail server for novawebdevelopment.org respond to *any* incoming mail request with an autoreply saying we have moved, and asking them to please email members@novawebdevelopment.coop21:28
jelkneri didn't need a 1, since that's it21:28
jelknerthere is no 2 ;-)21:28
jelknerthen we can shut down the IREDMail server21:29
jelknerand be done with it21:29
anthony_pthat's fine too21:29
jelknerso that's what we need to figure out21:29
jelknerthomasboimah, mulbahkolleh__, gabriel_jetro, you getting this?21:29
jelkneri was hoping mattva01 would be here tonight21:29
anthony_pbut we still want to download and archive any emails from past member boxes, and make them available to them for a limited time21:29
jelknersince he could of told us about this21:29
anthony_psome of that is potentially business information that they might want21:30
mulbahkolleh__we will work on that tomorrow 21:30
gabriel_jetroyes21:30
mulbahkolleh__and be done with it one and for all21:30
anthony_pbut the number 1 task is getting mayfirst to accept emails sent to novawebdevelopment.org and auto replying21:31
mulbahkolleh__I send mayfirst email concerning this 21:31
anthony_pwhich is something i wasn't involved in so i'm not sure how that went21:31
mulbahkolleh__they are okay with it21:33
mulbahkolleh__they side " if we can setup the novawebdevelopment.org domain through May First you can configure email addresses setup for that domain to forward to the novawebdevelopment.coop addresses."21:34
mulbahkolleh__I can forward their respond21:35
anthony_pi figured that would be the case21:38
anthony_pso, we should be able to just point the namecheap domain at the mayfirst name servers the same way we did with encirca for .coop21:39
anthony_pthen use the mayfirst dns to point the .org mx entries at the mayfirst mx servers21:39
anthony_pwhich should give us the ability to forward all known .org nova email addresses to a single do-not-reply .coop address that auto-replies with the new domain name21:40
gabriel_jetrookay21:42
anthony_pbut we also need to do a thorough test of all .org sites in namecheap for nwd .org domain and make sure none of them are still up21:42
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anthony_pbecause if we just point namecheap at mayfirst without making sure we won't break anyting important... like the irc log pages... then we have to deal with that headach21:42
anthony_pso step one is making sure every .org subdomain has a new .coop subdomain 21:43
anthony_pwhich means making sure it also functions, because those sites might break if you just change the dns and they have internal links and urls that point to .org21:45
klariosioo that sounds much easier in terms of getting all we want accomplished21:46
anthony_pwell, i just ran a test with the irclogs page21:46
anthony_pand we'll also need new certificates for all of them too21:46
anthony_pand need to update the webserver configuration to use the new url21:46
klariosok so that is on our to-do list as well 21:47
anthony_pyeah, i can ping irclogs.novawebdevelopment.coop and irclogs.novawebdevelopment.org, but irclogs.novawebdevelopment.coop doesn't resolve because there's a domain mismatch in the configuration and ssl certificate mismatch21:48
klariosit seems like the mail server process is going to take a lot of steps. in terms of what we need to get done it might halt us because we dont have enough knowledge of how to do it all correctly21:51
klarioswe dont want to break anything especially21:51
mulbahklarios I think we can21:53
gabriel_jetroWe just need more details that's all21:53
anthony_ppart of the problem is we need to move everything from .org to .coop before we can point the .org registrar at the .coop nameservers21:53
gabriel_jetrolike anthony_p is providing21:54
klariosI agree mulbah and gabriel_jetro, its a process of application as well 21:54
mulbahwe have to solve it step-step21:54
klariosapplying things is hard21:54
klariosyep 21:55
mulbahso have to complete on and move on the next one21:55
mulbahso let come up with the first problem we need to solve 21:55
mulbahif it's complete we move to solving the next one21:57
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anthony_pso, i'm looking in the nwd-01 server right now and it'll need to have certbot and nginx configuration updated for the irclog site21:57
klariosanthony_p: in terms of assigning or determining what needs to be done with this email server, how should we do it?21:57
anthony_pwhich i'm working on at the moment21:57
klariosso that we dont break anything21:57
mulbahfor the chat bot I can work on that 21:58
anthony_pwe can't move the .org to mayfirst nameservers until we have pointed all active .org websites to .coop21:58
anthony_pso we need to find all sights that point to novawebdevelopment.org and either 1) reconfigure for .coop or 2) shut them down21:59
anthony_pthat's the first step21:59
anthony_pthat's going to require folks that are familiar with webserver configuration, certbot, access to both mayfirst and namecheap dns settings22:00
anthony_pat a minimum22:00
mulbahI'm familiar with it22:00
anthony_pthe sites themselves that will be moved will also need to be looked over to ensure there are no hardcoded links that will become dead after migrating22:01
mulbahI have assess to there server 22:01
mulbahI work on the bot22:01
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mulbahwhich one is business_tracker on the nwd-0122:02
mulbahserver22:03
klarioshttps://tracker.novawebdevelopment.org22:03
anthony_pbusiness tracker is on nwd-0122:03
klariosthats business tracker, its on nwd 122:03
anthony_pand i am currently in the sites enabled folder for nwd-0122:03
anthony_pwho updated certbot when we moved the main site to .coop?22:05
mulbahyou asking who can update chatbot??22:06
anthony_pno, certbot not chatbot22:06
anthony_pssl certificate bot22:06
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gabriel_jetronot chatbot mulbah22:06
klariosanthony_p: im wondering when school ends for you?22:07
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anthony_pin a week22:08
anthony_pi have a big test tomorrow22:08
klarioswe're all taking test22:08
klariostests22:08
anthony_pyep22:08
anthony_pbut i'm supposed to be studying right now22:08
klariosalso given the fact that jelkner and tony and i are taking tests next week we should take next week off22:09
klariosthat's right anthony_p I'm supposed to be studying as well22:09
klariosjkollie: we will still have class on tuesday and friday22:10
mulbahcan we come up with a conclusion of how to make this happen22:11
klarioswell Nova web wont be avaliable to meet next week but jetro web can 22:12
klariosto discuss how the .org issue can be solved22:12
anthony_pi am about to try and make it hapen for tracker and irclogs22:12
klariosit will be up to the jetro web team to meet and figure out how to do it based on the conversation we had today22:12
klariosanthony_p: you will update ssl certs and nginx?22:13
mulbahalright we will email you if any information needed 22:14
mulbahEveryone May 17 will be my birthday 22:15
klariosHappy early birthday mulbah!!!!!!22:15
mulbahThank you Klarios22:16
klariosoops i meant shallon . we will still have class on tuesday and friday next week22:16
anthony_pi am trying to but i just got an error trying22:17
mulbahwhich error22:17
anthony_phttps://irclogs.novawebdevelopment.coop/22:20
anthony_pgot it22:20
klariosgreat!22:21
klariosive got to get ready to leave soon 22:21
anthony_pdoing business tracker next22:21
klariosbut thank you all for coming! and see you the 22nd22:21
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jelknersigning off for the evening everyone, thomasboimah, gabriel_jetro, mulbah, do you want to do stand up meeting tomorrow or do you think we don't need to?22:27
anthony_pcan someone try to go to tracker.novawebdevelopment.coop22:27
anthony_pto make sure it works22:27
anthony_pi screwed my dns and it won't resolve properly right now22:27
gabriel_jetroi got error message saying bad request (400)22:28
gabriel_jetroyes jelkner, we can22:28
anthony_pokay, yeah... that'll need fixed22:28
anthony_pthe .org site still works, not sure why there's a 400 for the .coop22:29
jelknersee you tomorrow at 11:00 UTC, gabriel_jetro 22:30
jelknergoodnight all!22:30
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mulbahI try it and get bad 400 request22:33
anthony_pit might be a problem with business tracker itself, a header configuration or something22:34
gabriel_jetrookay22:34
anthony_pwill require a little poking around in the code probably, and possibly an update22:35
anthony_pif there's a strict header setting, that might break it22:35
anthony_pi will look at that later22:35
mulbahOkay22:36
gabriel_jetroSo what next?22:36
anthony_pbut also, i don't know if the webster will need updated, i haven't worked on that at all22:36
mulbahjust let me know if anything I can help with 22:36
anthony_pi think we just to go through all of the subdomains for novawebdevelopment.org and find out which ones are up and running and then set them up at the coop until all of them are either mirrored on .coop or not needed, then we can stop using the namecheap nameservers and start using the mayfirst name servers for the .org domain22:38
anthony_pwhich is when we will be able to use the mayfirst mail servers for the .org i theink22:38
anthony_pbut i'm heading out. i have to do some studying and sleep for my certification exam tomorrow22:39
anthony_pthanks all22:39
mulbahokay22:40
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thomasboimahmulbah, gabriel_jetro 23:00
mulbahyes23:01
thomasboimahI just did some mail configuration on MayFirst, That when you send an email to members@novawebdevelopment.org   members@novawebdevelopment.coop will receive it23:01
mulbahit work23:02
thomasboimahBut i really don't know that is what Jeff was asking for or want23:02
thomasboimahBut i will compose an email to him about it23:02
mulbahit work23:04
thomasboimahyeah23:04
thomasboimahThat is what i was doing23:04
thomasboimahthat's why i was not really active in the discussion here23:04
mulbahwe have to do a lot of pointing of domain name23:05
mulbahfrom .org to .coop23:05
mulbahmostly on the nwd-1 server23:05
mulbahthere are how many server running on linode23:07
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