IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2026-02-08

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thomasboimahGood morning jelkner 11:54
jelknerGood day thomasboimah 11:54
zOnnyGood morning World!11:59
jelknerGood morning zOnny!11:59
thomasboimahGood morning zOnny 12:00
jelkneri spent all day, 8:15 am to 5:30 pm, at the high school programming contest yesterday12:00
jelkneri got some work done while i was there, but not enough12:00
jelknerso i told you i'd drop in, but then i got to get back to my tasks12:01
jelknerwhat is the plan for ANCCF?12:01
zOnnyjelkner good question12:01
zOnnyI haven't been cc'ed in the emails12:02
jelknerhmmm...12:02
zOnnyI amssuming we need to get the demo and invoice it, yes?12:02
jelknerdid we get a linode from them?12:02
jelknerwhat you can do is reach out to kei12:02
jelkneri'm trying to find out if NOVA Web is ready for business12:03
zOnnysure12:03
jelkneri don't have the answers12:03
jelknerbut i know what questions to ask12:03
zOnnyshe does reply to texts easily12:04
zOnnywhat is the question jelkner 12:04
jelknerwell then, my friend, text her12:04
jelknershe is young12:04
jelknerand developing professional skills like checking emails is not yet something she does12:04
jelknerwe'll need to work on that12:04
jelkneri won't feel comfortable looking for more business until i am confident when i find it you will be able to deliver12:05
jelknerwe will soon have a reputation for service12:05
jelknereither good service, or bad service12:05
zOnny+112:06
jelknerif it's bad service, we won't be in business long12:06
zOnnythe key part of this is good communication12:06
zOnnyI think that is something we need to work more 12:06
jelkneryes, and here thomasboimah, is where jetro can fit in12:06
jelknerwe do need someone here in the us to represent NOVA Web12:07
jelkneri hope that can be kei12:07
jelknerbut the rest of the team can help her by being the squeeky wheels12:07
zOnnyjelkner, that is why I feel I can step on what Kei needs to do it12:07
jelkner+112:07
jelkneryou totally can12:07
zOnnyit is kinda my managerial experience12:07
jelkner+112:08
jelknerawesome!12:08
jelknerthat's what i'm saying12:08
zOnnybut I don't want to do it without communication 12:08
zOnnyotherwise we would be out of the track12:08
jelkneryou are so right12:08
jelknerok, so what you need from me sounds like:12:08
jelkner1. call kei today and get an update on how she is handling ANCCF12:09
jelkner2. if she isn't handling it effectively, i need to send an email to them saying you will be their main point of contact12:09
jelknersound good?12:09
zOnny+112:09
jelknerok, that's on my ToDo list for today12:10
jelkneranything else?12:10
zOnnyjelkner yes12:10
zOnnybefore shutting down one of the linode servers today12:10
zOnnyI want to ask if you need something from carterforvirginia?12:11
jelknerzOnny, we need to back it up12:11
jelknerbut no, i don't need anything12:11
zOnnyjust back it up 12:11
zOnnygot it12:11
jelknerhe pretty much dropped off the map12:11
jelknerand the odds are *very* small that we will hear from him again12:11
zOnnyI see12:11
jelkner*BUT*12:11
jelknerwe don't want what happened to MLLC to happen again!12:12
jelknerthat was because of our inexperience12:12
jelknerwe lost valuable data from an important partner12:12
jelknerso we need to just back it up12:12
zOnnyjelkner can you give us a little bit of update regarding SECOSOL?12:12
zOnnybesides hiring staff12:13
jelknersince the odds are so small, it doesn't even have to be easy to restore it, just possible12:13
zOnnywhat are the goals for it12:13
jelkneroh yes, very good question!12:13
jelknerwell, we have two worker cooperatives we would like to help get started this coming year:12:14
jelkner1. a translators (English-Spanish) cooperative12:14
jelkner2. a bookkeeping cooperative12:14
jelknerDilcia and Leslie are focusing on 1.12:14
jelknerI'm working with Johanna, Heylin, Kei, and perhaps others on 2.12:15
jelknerwe need to get through taxes this year12:15
jelknerand be ready to do payroll correctly with the new staff12:15
jelknerwe voted to have two 1/2 time people instead of 1 full time12:15
jelknerLeslie and Kei12:15
jelknerthat is *very* good12:16
jelknerbecause kei is young and smart, but inexperienced12:16
jelknerLeslie is wise and calm, and a great mentor12:16
zOnnyThis kind of meeting should be posted in the blog app SECOSOL has requested12:16
jelknerso the 2 of them agreed to come up with a proposal for their goals and how they will operate12:17
jelknerto be presented at our board meeting in march12:17
zOnnyjelkner thanks for the update12:18
jelknerone more thing, perhaps a bit more of a hope than a concrete plan at this point12:18
zOnnyhow about Magic broom12:18
zOnnyare they both related?12:18
jelknermagic broom is the co-op Dilcia and Leslie started with Madre Tierra12:18
jelknerit is functioning well12:19
jelknerwe talked about trying to do a dinner for the worker owners of the 3 cleaning co-ops in our area: Magic Broom, Mujeres Manos a la Obra, and Dulce Hogar12:19
zOnnyDulce Hogar?12:19
jelknerhold on...12:20
jelknerhttps://www.dulcehogarcleaning.com/12:20
zOnnySweet home == Dulce Hogar :)12:20
jelknerThey are not connected with us at all yet.12:20
jelknerBut BCI helped start them12:21
zOnnyI see12:21
jelknerand the whole point of the solidarity economy is to build collective power12:21
jelknerso we need to work with them if we can12:21
zOnnyDo these the co-ops work closely and have meetings at least?12:21
zOnny*three*12:21
jelknerin fact, zOnny, did you and i ever discuss the Brightly co-ops?12:22
zOnnyNo12:22
zOnnywhat is that about12:22
jelknerah, ok, i need to give just a little info now, and much more later12:22
zOnnyI remember you also shared other co-ops links in an email last week12:23
jelknerhttps://www.start.coop/case-studies/brightly12:23
jelkneri kept busy while you were away, my dear friend12:23
jelknerso a lot has transpired12:23
jelkneri took a class in platform cooperativism through the New School in NYC12:23
jelkneronline12:23
jelkneractually, i think Nana participated in that too12:24
zOnnyShould I ask her to keep it simple12:24
jelkneranyway, i've had conversations with the web tech coop in ithica ny about the platform they build for the brightly co-ops12:24
jelknerthere are 5 of the co-ops in the ny area12:25
jelknerwe need to study their experience to learn lessons from it as we move forward with our own efforts here12:25
jelknerso once you are ready12:25
jelknerwe could get funding for you to build a platform for cleaning co-ops12:26
zOnnyI see12:26
jelknerone that would allow on-line reservations, support financial management for the co-op members, etc.12:26
jelknerthere is so much that we can do12:26
jelknermy feeling has long been that given the limited resources available, this will depend on Jetro maturing12:27
jelknersince they can do work at a lower cost12:27
jelknerit opens a lot of opportunities12:27
jelknerthat's been key to my 4th reboot plan all along12:27
jelknersince i'm too old for a 5th reboot! :-(12:28
zOnnyjelkner let's make it happen then12:28
jelkner+112:28
jelknerok, i think that enough for now12:28
jelknerkeep coming with these question, zOnny 12:28
zOnnythanks jelkner for the overview of these co-ops12:28
jelknerit's great for thomasboimah to see how you operate12:28
zOnnyI really want to know how they connect each other12:29
thomasboimahyeah12:29
jelknerso he can see what i mean by "taking ownership" of our project12:29
jelknerok, zOnny see you here next saturday12:29
jelknerbut i'll text you after i talk with kei today12:29
zOnnyjelkner see u12:30
zOnnystay warm12:30
jelknerhave a great and productive day dev team!12:30
zOnnyit is too cold out there12:30
jelkner+112:30
jelkneri'm staying in12:30
jelknerwhere it's warm12:30
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zOnnythomasboimah how are you12:31
thomasboimahI'm feeling a bit better now12:31
zOnnythomasboimah give me 5min 12:31
zOnnyI need to finish making my coffee12:31
zOnnymy hot water is ready12:31
thomasboimahokay12:31
zOnnythomasboimah good to know12:32
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zOnnythomasboimah do you drink coffee or tea?12:38
thomasboimahYes I do12:38
thomasboimahI drink both12:38
zOnnyboth?12:39
thomasboimahYes12:39
thomasboimahI am not that too picky ;-)12:39
zOnnycool12:39
zOnnyI love coffee12:39
zOnnyI'm very into it12:40
thomasboimahcool12:40
zOnnyI really like Ethiopia coffee12:40
zOnnyI like the sweet of that coffee12:40
thomasboimahnice12:40
zOnnyin my other Job we import very expensive beans of coffee from around the world12:41
zOnnyWorking there I got addicted to coffee12:41
thomasboimahWow, That's great12:41
zOnnyI also like teas but not all the time12:41
zOnnyalright back to our work12:42
thomasboimahYou're very determine, You are to some many places12:42
thomasboimah*working*12:42
thomasboimahOkay12:42
zOnnythanks thomasboimah 12:43
zOnnyfew things about mmalo12:43
thomasboimahI saw that the css now work 12:43
thomasboimahgreat12:43
zOnnyyesterday I was trying to get it work which I think I does work now12:44
zOnnyso besides that12:44
zOnnywe need to back it up the other projects there12:44
zOnnywe done with that server12:45
zOnnynot sure if you have realized 12:45
zOnnybut12:45
zOnnycarterforviginia is using plain django12:45
thomasboimahzOnny, did you delete my ssh key on this server(PRT-06)? i can't ssh anymore12:47
zOnnythomasboimah12:49
zOnnyno12:49
zOnnyI realized that linode doesn't save ssh keys forever12:49
zOnnysomething that I haven't look into it12:49
zOnnyweird12:49
thomasboimahHmm, but on the other server like NWD my ssh key is save all the time12:50
zOnnyI just added again12:50
thomasboimahSo what is the plan for carterforvirginia and jamesdempseyhealingarts?12:52
zOnnyback them up12:53
zOnnynot sure where the repo for carterforvirginia is12:53
zOnnygive me 5 min 12:55
zOnnyI;m backing them up12:56
zOnnyI meant getting the project in my local computer12:56
zOnnyso we don't lose it ata ll12:56
zOnny*all*12:56
zOnnythomasboimah are you there13:06
thomasboimahyes13:07
zOnnythomasboimah did you see this13:24
zOnnyhttps://www.cidu-cwa7777.org/13:25
zOnnythis is another lost partner13:25
thomasboimahYeah, But the site seem to be down13:25
zOnnyI'm sure they got tired of not having a good communication with us13:26
zOnnythey moved on and host it in squarespace13:26
zOnnythomasboimah13:32
zOnnyI was looking at the carterforvirginia project13:32
zOnnygood morning gabriel_jetro 13:33
zOnnyI cannot find his database13:38
zOnnyI think there isn't a database13:38
zOnnyyes?13:38
tboimah+113:39
zOnnyso we don't need to back it up them13:39
tboimahyeah13:39
zOnnythe repo is up to date13:39
zOnnyhttps://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/projects/carterforvirginia13:39
zOnnyjust for reference13:39
tboimahnice13:40
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zOnnygabriel_jetro: are you here?13:41
zOnnythomasboimah are you having network issues?13:41
thomasboimahSomething like that. But no worries13:41
zOnnythomasboimah: 13:54
zOnnywhat is the mcss13:54
thomasboimahit is was the high school i graduated from website13:55
thomasboimahBut they are not using it no more13:55
thomasboimahSo i don't think we need it13:55
zOnnyah14:02
zOnnyI just back it up 14:02
zOnnynot sure if there is any data14:02
zOnnyalright14:02
thomasboimahNice. Thanks14:02
zOnnytime to say bye to PRT-0614:03
zOnnyactually is PRT-0714:03
zOnnyaccording to my ssh14:03
thomasboimahyeah14:03
zOnnydid you notice that you ssh got deleted again14:03
zOnnyI have to put my ssh key again14:04
thomasboimahyeah14:04
zOnnynot sure what is doing it14:04
zOnnycould be an script or an cron job14:06
zOnnybut it is anoying me14:06
zOnnythomasboimah we aren't fogeting anything, yes?14:06
thomasboimahyes14:06
zOnnyit was a crob job14:15
zOnnyI kinda liked it if you want to authorize it temporarely14:15
zOnnywha ydo you think?14:15
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zOnnydone14:18
zOnnythomasboimah are you here14:18
thomasboimahyes14:18
zOnnythomasboimah next is PRT-0514:18
thomasboimahsure14:19
zOnnyI don't have the psswrd14:22
zOnnydo you?14:22
thomasboimahme neither14:22
thomasboimah-114:22
zOnnySheesh14:22
zOnnywhat choices we have14:35
zOnnyreset password?14:36
thomasboimahChanging the password14:36
zOnnyI cannot find it anyhere14:36
zOnny**anywhere14:36
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thomasboimahare you in now zOnny 14:44
zOnnyyes14:45
zOnnyI did add your ssh14:45
thomasboimahI am seeing prt0714:45
zOnnyyes14:45
zOnnyseem like they like that number14:46
thomasboimahsure i guess i am seeing you typing from my terminal14:46
zOnny?14:46
thomasboimahyeah i guess we too was trying to login the sametime14:46
zOnnyah14:47
thomasboimahusing LISH Console via SSH14:47
zOnnythat makes sense14:47
zOnnyare you in?14:47
thomasboimahyes14:47
zOnnyfrom the lish or terminal?14:48
thomasboimahfrom my terminal14:48
zOnnyalright14:48
zOnnywhat we got here14:49
zOnnywhat are we dealing with14:49
thomasboimahin the home dir i am seeing this: PRT-05.img.xz  snap  sserr.log and in the /srv dir i am seeing citizen_command_center14:50
thomasboimahWas you the one that work on citizen_command_center?14:50
zOnnyno14:50
zOnnynot sure what is this about :(14:51
zOnnyall I found is this https://citizencommandcenter.novawebdevelopment.org/commandcenter/14:51
zOnnynot sure if it is the same14:52
zOnnythat is where the nginx is pointing to14:53
thomasboimahThat is not even seen to be running14:54
thomasboimah*the site14:54
thomasboimahOh my bad14:54
thomasboimahit seen to be running14:55
zOnnyshould we just backup the data?15:04
zOnnyhi gabriel_jetro 15:04
tboimahyeah15:04
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zOnnyI think this is a migration from another django15:06
zOnnyklarioslast time we knew of prt 05, we agreed to shut it down right?12:18 klariosi think louis was the contact for them15:12
zOnnythis is from the loggs15:12
zOnnythomasboimah are you here15:36
thomasboimahyes15:36
zOnnythe backup is done15:36
thomasboimahGreat Thanks15:37
zOnnyalright15:42
zOnnyshutting it down15:42
zOnnyALRIGHT15:53
zOnnydone15:53
zOnnythomasboimah are you here?15:54
thomasboimahyes15:55
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zOnnyI think we got most of it, yes?15:57
thomasboimahyes15:57
zOnnyis there anything you are working on at the moment?15:57
thomasboimahnot really just doing my UoPeople assignment15:58
zOnnyI was trying to ask your help with gabriel15:58
zOnnyI think is needs a little bit of support getting the LibreOrganize project15:59
zOnny*he*15:59
zOnnyI would like to help the best I can15:59
thomasboimahYeah, me a gabriel meet at the office every MWF15:59
thomasboimahI can ask him when we meet if he need my help16:00
zOnnybut due my weekend availability only I don't feel helping him much16:00
zOnnyawesome16:00
zOnnyIt is good to see his initative16:01
zOnnylet's keep it up16:01
zOnnyI know how it feel when you don't get any guidance and then the motivation is gone16:01
zOnnyI will be back to the novawebdev front end design16:02
zOnnyit is taking me time to get it done16:02
zOnnydue to the svg application16:02
zOnnybut I have made progress on it16:03
zOnnyI just need to finish the other pages 16:03
zOnnythat's all from me16:03
thomasboimahNicke16:03
zOnnyI think I will have ANFCC as well16:04
zOnnyWe will need to deliver it on time16:04
thomasboimahOkay, just let me know if their is anything that need my help on ANFCC16:04
zOnnyglad I made the LO upgrade before starting on it16:05
zOnnyI will 16:05
zOnnythomasboimah yesterday I was looking at the server of mmalo16:06
zOnnyI noticed you did some changes there. I understand that you made it there to make it work 16:07
thomasboimahyeah16:07
zOnnyI did delete them due that libreorganize already include them 16:07
thomasboimahI saw that16:07
zOnnyyou just need to update it in the .env 16:07
zOnnythe goal is to make it easier to pull changes only16:08
zOnnynot to generate conflicts 16:08
thomasboimahsure16:08
zOnnyI'm not saying there shouldn't be changes at all16:09
zOnnythere are some situations we as developers don't have a choice in doing it16:09
zOnnybut only if necessary16:09
zOnnyso what is next for us16:10
zOnnyI think I will need to focus on ANFCC this week16:11
zOnnybesides Novawebdev16:12
zOnnyI'm also going to send an invoice to mmalo for the last year hosting16:13
zOnnyI was hoping Kei doing it but I think she is busy 16:14
zOnnyI don't know who is the right person to send it16:14
zOnnyI will figure it out16:14
thomasboimahOkay16:15
zOnnywhat else I'm forgetting 16:15
thomasboimahNothing16:15
zOnnyI think that is all16:15
zOnnydo you have any questions?16:16
thomasboimah-116:16
zOnnyare you feeling good overall?16:16
thomasboimahyes16:16
zOnnycool16:17
zOnnyjust let me know if you need any time for yourself16:17
zOnnyit is important to take a break sometimes16:17
zOnnyI will let you do you UoPeople assignments16:18
zOnnywhat class are you taking now?16:18
thomasboimahcommunication and Networking16:19
zOnnynice16:19
zOnnyDo you like it?16:19
thomasboimahYeah16:19
thomasboimahthis week is my second week.16:20
zOnnynice16:20
zOnnyI have all my docs in my drive16:20
zOnnylet me know if you need any help on that16:20
thomasboimahAlright zOnny Thanks16:21
zOnnysee you next weekend thomasboimah 16:22
thomasboimahOkay zOnny thanks for today16:22
zOnnybtw16:22
zOnnyquick question16:22
zOnnyhow did you get the backup into the mayfirst server?16:23
zOnnydid you use scp?16:23
zOnnythe mmalo backup?16:23
thomasboimahyes you did used scp but their was little mistake16:24
zOnny?16:24
thomasboimahyou used this scp  mmalo_lo20260201.sql mmalo@shell.mayfirst.org:/home/sites/379858/include/mmalo/libreorganize/ instead of this: scp -r mmalo_lo20260201.sql mmalo@shell.mayfirst.org/include/mmalo/libreorganize/16:26
thomasboimahyou used this scp  mmalo_lo20260201.sql mmalo@shell.mayfirst.org:/home/sites/379858/include/mmalo/libreorganize/ instead of this: scp  mmalo_lo20260201.sql mmalo@shell.mayfirst.org/include/mmalo/libreorganize/16:26
thomasboimahthis was the right one : scp  mmalo_lo20260201.sql mmalo@shell.mayfirst.org:/include/mmalo/libreorganize/16:27
zOnnyso no need for /home/sites/379858/16:27
thomasboimahyeah16:27
zOnnysheesh16:27
zOnnythat is why I don't like absolute paths 16:28
zOnnythanks for letting me know16:29
thomasboimahsure16:29
zOnnyI will look into the logs for the next time16:29
zOnnysee you Saturday thomasboimah 16:29
thomasboimahOkay you too16:29
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