IRC log of #novawebdev for Saturday, 2026-05-09

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zOnnyGood morning gabriel_jetro 10:57
jelknerGood morning zOnny!10:58
zOnnyGood morning jelkner 10:58
thomasGood morning comrade 10:59
jelknerGood morning to you, comrade!10:59
jelknerYesterday i worked with Kara, Ben and Josh on testing their library reservation system app, and met with a potential Summer intern for NOVA Web that Rachel introduced to us. Today i'll be working on grading tests. No blockers.11:00
jelknerACTION done11:00
thomasYesterday, I was assisting Kara with her Django application deployment through emails. Today, I will be working with zOnny, probably on updating the BT invoice to include the Nova Stripe account. No blockers.11:01
thomasACTION done 11:01
zOnny Over the past few days, I spent time exploring MayFirst's functionality and worked alongside Rachel to evaluate the best use of their tasks and boards applications. No blockers.11:01
zOnnyACTION done11:01
jelknerA few questions before i go and start grading tests.11:01
jelkner1. Would getting help with TheBlog take long?11:02
jelkneri want to start blogging again as part of our outreach and marketing11:02
jelknerthe time is now to do that11:02
zOnnyjelkner: what is blocking you on doing it?11:02
jelknerSmall things11:02
gabriel_jetrozOnny: I told jelkner about what you told me and he said I should ask you because he's only the customer,11:03
jelknerI want to make a few small changes to the text (including updating the copyright)11:03
jelknerand my "who am i" page11:03
jelkneri'm wondering about the workflow11:03
jelknerdo i check out the repo locally, make changes, commit them, and then ask you to deploy them on our host?11:04
zOnnyjelkner: Does that work for you?11:04
jelknersure11:04
zOnnyjelkner: why changes locally?11:04
jelkneri don't understand the question11:05
jelkneri don't have access to the repo on may first11:05
jelknerand it seems best practice that i don't11:05
zOnnyjelkner: you do hard-code your content?11:05
jelknernot the posts, my friend11:05
jelknerbut the other stuff is hardcoded i believe11:05
zOnnyjelkner: you do the type post locally?11:05
jelknerposts are in the database11:06
jelknerbut the changes i'm talking about are not11:06
zOnnyjelkner: I can look into it. it seems to be minimal updates11:06
jelknerhttps://weblog.elkner.net/11:06
zOnnyjelkner: who does have access to that mayfirst?11:07
jelkneri think thomas 11:07
zOnnyjelkner: is that a separate membership?11:07
jelknerno11:07
jelknerit's under my personal membership i believe11:07
zOnnythomas: are you good to access to it?11:07
jelknerbut i'm old11:07
jelknerand my mind is going :-(11:07
jelknerso i can't say for sure11:07
zOnnyjelkner: got you11:07
zOnnyjelkner: let me get clear your workflow11:08
thomasI don't have access to your personal membership jelkner 11:08
jelkneri do have access to my personal membership11:08
jelknerhold on11:08
jelkneri can ssh into elkner.net11:08
jelknerwhich is on may first11:08
jelknerand update my website11:08
jelknerhttps://elkner.net/11:09
jelknerwhich is also on may first11:09
jelknerbut it is a static website11:09
jelknerthe blog is a django app11:09
zOnnyjelkner: we will need to access to it in order to make it easier for you11:09
thomasjelkner: can you send the link to the repo for the site?11:09
jelkneri don't know how to deploy those on may first11:09
thomasIf I am not mistaking it was James that deployed it right?11:11
jelknerIs this it: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/the-blog/-/tree/jelkner?ref_type=heads11:11
jelknerremember, i'm just the customer here11:12
jelkneri didn't deploy11:12
jelknerit11:12
jelkneri just use it11:12
jelkner(and pay my invoices *on time* for work done on it, i should add ;-)11:12
zOnnyjelkner: good customer11:13
gabriel_jetroSure jelkner you're just the customer but you should tell what you would love to pay for, I'm i right 11:13
jelkner+111:13
jelknerthat's what i'm doing now, gabriel_jetro 11:13
thomasjelkner: can you please give access to your personal membership 11:13
zOnnyjelkner: we can get it done and you test it tomorrow or during the week, that works for you?11:14
jelknerthomas, didn't you deploy this on may first?11:14
jelkneror did toby?11:14
thomasNo it was not me11:14
jelknerah11:14
thomasBut I remember 11:14
jelknerzOnny, can you investigate and let me know tomorrow11:14
jelknermaybe we can ask resl today at 1 pm11:15
jelknersince we need to figure out how to manage this going forward11:15
thomasWhen you link me up with someone to help me when I was deploying my ToDo app to help me because they have deployed you blog app before 11:15
gabriel_jetrozOnny: would you like to relay to jelkner about what you told me to reach out to him about?11:15
jelknerthat was toby11:15
jelknertmickelson11:15
zOnnyjelkner: I can, but clearly you have access to it11:15
jelknerbut they are a senior now11:15
jelknerand graduating11:15
jelknerso we need to take over11:15
thomasThat was when I learn how to deployed on mayfirst 11:16
jelkner+111:16
jelkneri remember11:16
jelknerand now you are an old pro, right thomas?11:16
jelknerso you can figure this out ;-)11:16
thomasSure 11:16
zOnnyjelkner: any change we can have access to your mayfirst?11:17
thomasBut can you give me access to your personal membership 11:17
jelkneri could11:17
jelknerbut that is not the best practice11:17
jelkneri'm wondering if i can give you access using your own authentication rather than giving you my secrets11:17
jelknerpassword, etc.11:18
jelknerbest practice is not to just hand out your personal password11:18
thomasahhh, but on mayfirst before you access the servers through the shell you need to access the control panel first 11:18
jelknergot you11:18
jelkneri'm wondering if i can create another user under my personal account11:19
jelknerand give them admin11:19
jelknerthat would be the best practice11:19
thomasYes11:19
jelknerin a lot of ways11:19
thomasYou can do that11:19
jelknerlet's do that11:19
jelknerhold on...11:19
jelknerlol11:20
jelknerwow, i had already done this11:20
thomasHmmm11:20
zOnnygabriel_jetro: can you recall what I told you?11:20
jelknernot for you thomas 11:20
jelknerbut for ledmer and jocconer11:20
jelknerjames11:20
thomasYes11:20
jelknerlet me remove them11:20
jelknerand add you11:20
thomasIt was James that deployed your blog app11:21
zOnnyjelkner: ledmer seems that has the last commit on your blog's branch11:21
thomasAnd he was the one that help me with my ToDo11:21
gabriel_jetrozOnny: I won't stay long here for now because my battery is dying and we don't have electricity at my end currently so when you have task for me just leave it in the chat I'll come back to read the log and delivery.11:21
zOnnygabriel_jetro: sure11:22
jelknerthomas, what should your login be?11:22
thomastboimah 11:22
thomasIf they say that is already in used. You can use Thomas 11:23
jelknerUser: tboimah_weblog11:27
thomasThanks, you can send paaswd: privately 11:27
jelknerjust sent you an email with the u know what11:28
thomasme going to check his email 11:28
jelknerzOnny, while thomas does that11:28
jelknercan we talk about item 2?11:28
jelknerzOnny?11:29
zOnnyjelkner: yes11:29
jelknerdo you have a few minutes?11:30
zOnny jelkner i DO11:30
jelknergreat, so here is the 2nd item11:30
thomasACTION in11:30
jelknerperfect thomas 11:30
jelknerlet me know what other access you need11:30
jelknerzOnny, cjones says it is time for us to learn ansible11:31
jelkneri wanted to know if you have any experience with it?11:31
thomasNow let get things cleaned. Can you state what you want again?11:31
zOnnyjelkner: I little bit, I was learning it with replacefill11:31
zOnnyjelkner: we did have our ansible repos but they seem to be gone11:33
jelknerAs a user of the_blog for my personal blog, i want to update the copyright year, and make changes to the Welcome to Jeffrey Elkner's Weblog! and About me pages so that i can resume blogging11:33
jelknerok, well, since we are at the point where we need to deploy the Django apps that cjones's students have built11:33
jelknerwe had a great discussion yesterday about how to make sure we are properly document our deployment recipes11:34
jelknercjones said the best way to document them is to turn them into code11:34
jelknerby using ansible11:34
jelknerso we are going to learn that11:34
jelknerjosh, ben and kara will do it first11:34
jelknerthey can teach you after they do11:35
jelknerto save you time11:35
jelknermake sense?11:35
thomas+111:36
jelknercjones has previous experience11:36
jelknerso he will work with them11:36
zOnnyjelkner: sounds good11:37
jelknersweet11:37
jelknerso let's all get to work11:37
jelknerzOnny, thomas can you join us at 1 pm EST today on jitsi?11:37
thomasYes11:37
jelknersweet11:38
zOnnyjelkner: sure11:38
jelknerto give you a "heads up" so you can think about it before then11:38
zOnnyjelkner: quick update11:38
zOnnyjelkner: I won't be here next Saturday11:38
jelkneri asked resl for that meeting to talk about building a custom crm for NS11:38
jelknergot you zOnny 11:39
jelknerbut Sunday you will be?11:39
zOnnyjelkner: yup11:39
jelknermaybe we should cancel our saturday meeting11:40
zOnnyjelkner: It is just one day. My brother signed me up for sky diving, I say yes yesterday11:40
jelkneri'm volunteering at the Friends of the Mount Rainier Library booth at Mount Rainier day next Saturday11:40
jelknernice, zOnny 11:40
zOnnyjelkner: he got me a free ticket11:40
jelknerjust be careful11:40
jelknerwe want to keep you alive! ;-)11:40
zOnnyjelkner: I cannot say not to free stuff  :)11:40
jelknerlol11:41
jelknerthat sounds great11:41
zOnnyjelkner: alright11:41
jelkneri have a good friend that ran a cafe at a skydiving place in New Jersey for many years11:41
jelkneri used to hang out with him and watch the sky divers11:41
zOnnyjelkner: nice11:42
jelknerhttps://www.skydivecrosskeys.com/11:42
zOnnyjelkner: I'm a little nervious about it but we don't live forever, do we?11:42
jelkner+111:42
jelknerand it is better to live11:42
jelknerthen to just stay alive11:42
jelkners/then/than11:43
jelknerso take chances11:43
zOnnyjelkner: not sure with this system  and rules :(11:43
jelknerand *really* live11:43
jelknerbtw. some of those regular skydivers can get a little crazy11:43
jelkneri remember one evening when they jumped out of the plane ... naked ;-)11:44
zOnnyjelkner: that is a great idea11:44
jelknera bunch of naked skydivers falling from the sky11:44
zOnnyjelkner: I will ask if I can11:44
jelknerlol11:44
jelknerok see you at 1 pm11:44
zOnnyjelkner: see you my friend11:44
jelknerthomas, let me know if you need more access or if you have what you need11:44
zOnnyjelkner: thanks for bringing up ansibles11:45
jelknerthank cjones11:45
thomasI will email if anything jelkner 11:45
zOnnyjelkner: I think that should be good to learn11:45
jelknerwe have a really great team assembled now zOnny 11:45
zOnnyjelkner: It is like having a remote control11:45
jelkneryes11:45
jelknerit is configuration as software11:45
zOnnyjelkner: automating deployments11:45
jelknerautomating them11:45
jelknerand it doesn't require installing anything on the server11:46
zOnnyjelkner: replacefill did want to teach me that11:46
jelkneraccess ssh11:46
jelknerwell, you'll be learning it soon11:46
zOnnyjelkner: unfortunately we didn't get the chance to get into it11:46
jelknernp, we'll do it now11:46
zOnnyjelkner: he left the repos11:46
jelknercjones has experience11:46
jelkner+111:46
jelknernice11:47
zOnnyjelkner: they are archives but it could help us as a references11:47
jelkner+111:47
jelkneri'm also going to see if we can find our old code for Sign and Read11:47
jelkneri'll ask kjcole and my brother11:47
zOnnyjelkner: cool11:48
jelknerok, see you at 1 pm11:48
zOnnyjelkner: can you tell me your workflow again with the blog11:48
jelknerACTION signs off for now11:48
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zOnnythomas: are you clear with the blog?11:48
thomasYeah a bit11:49
thomasI am currently on my way home to get on my computer to ssh in the server and see the structure 11:49
zOnnythomas: great11:51
thomasRight now I am thinking if I will have to do a box feature for him to update his about page and footer. Or he is going to do it on his local machine and push to the repo then I deployed it11:51
zOnnythomas: same here11:52
zOnnythomas: he left before I got clear it11:52
zOnnythomas: I was trying to understand his worflow11:52
thomasBut you think which one will be the best?11:52
thomasSo I can email him11:53
zOnnythomas: I think he likes commiting his posts 11:53
zOnnythomas: I'm familiar with the blog app11:53
zOnnythomas: I think you too11:53
thomasYeah 11:53
zOnnythomas: It is the blog app that stefan crafted11:53
zOnnythomas: I was updating it in the django_cleaup branch11:54
zOnnythomas: bc that is what we do, update and maintain our core projects11:55
zOnnythomas: but no worries about it yet, we can update it later11:56
thomasYeah, I will soon reach home to get on my computer 11:56
zOnnythomas: sounds good11:57
thomasACTION will be back when I reach home 11:59
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zOnnyGood morning resl 13:07
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thomasboimahzOnny, Sorry for the long delay i got stuck in traffic13:55
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zOnnyACTION is back15:25
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jelknerresl, the meeting in the calendar doesn't list where it is being held.16:58
jelknerlol, when and where are the two crucial datums16:59
jelkneranything else is metadata ;-)16:59
jelknerzOnny, do you know?16:59
jelknernovawebdev i guess16:59
jelkneri'll jump on there17:00
zOnnyhttps://meet.mayfirst.org/novaweb17:00
zOnnyAction Networks and Google docs17:03
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zOnnythomasboimah: Do you need anything from me for the-blog?18:13
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zOnnythomasboimah: are you here18:18
tboimah_zOnny, are you sill here18:20
tboimah_my network is giving my headache18:21
zOnnytboimah_: all good18:21
zOnnytboimah_: I just want to make sure you know what to do with the-blog18:21
tboimah_Yeah, I was able to ssh to the server see the code structure and it is the same with the repo, and it also have the box feature for Jeff to update his about page18:22
tboimah_So i only need to update the footer18:23
tboimah_and create Jeff an account to be able to edit his about page18:23
zOnnytboimah_: cool18:24
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zOnnyresl: are you here?18:25
zOnnyresl: quick question18:25
zOnnytboimah_: Any questions about it?18:30
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thomasboimahNot really all good18:31
thomasboimahzOnny, I really not get all the information from the call because my network was giving me headach18:32
thomasboimahIs there a chance for you to fill me in18:32
thomasboimah?18:32
zOnnythomasboimah: sure18:33
zOnnythomasboimah: the meeting was really about deliverables and skills sets 18:34
zOnnythomasboimah: and also budgeting 18:34
zOnnythomasboimah: We at Novawebdev are trying to be at the same page where we all are happy with it18:35
zOnnythomasboimah: Next Systems (Ben) was the topic18:36
zOnnythomasboimah: Jeff was trying to see if we can give Ben a small Django app for what he does with Action Network and Google Spreadssheets18:38
tboimah_okay18:40
tboimah_That something we can look into when we have the user stories18:41
tboimah_and now how he is currently using google spreedsheet18:41
tboimah_*know18:41
zOnnyACTION on the phone with Jeff18:44
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zOnnytboimah__: yes19:14
zOnnytboimah__: it isn't determine yet but it should be something that we can built19:14
zOnnytboimah__: It is a TBD19:14
tboimah__yeah19:15
zOnnytboimah__: but Jeff wan'ts to make sure if we are ready for it19:15
zOnny**wants19:15
zOnnyif we are not, his marketing will be a nightmare19:16
zOnny:)19:16
zOnnytboimah__: there is a lot to talk about how we approach client's needs19:17
tboimah__yup19:17
zOnnytboimah__: but also help us to think who are ready for these taks19:17
zOnny**tasks19:17
zOnnytboimah__: as for know our goal should be getting better on what we are learning19:18
zOnny**now19:18
zOnnytboimah__: alright 19:19
zOnnydo you think you will be able to say Jeff that the blog is ready for him?19:19
zOnnytboimah__: tomorrow?19:20
zOnnytboimah__: I can look into what you have done tomorrow if you want me to19:23
zOnnytboimah__: one think you should be aware of Jeff's branch is that his blog's uses reExtructuretext19:24
zOnny**thing19:24
tboimah_yes19:26
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