IRC log of #novawebdev for Saturday, 2026-07-11

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jelkner!create Jetro Web Mid Sprint Meeting 2026-07-11 11:0009:28
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jelkner!add 9C5Y Jetro website User Stories09:29
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jelkner!add 9C5Y Plan for creating a design team09:30
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jallah-koleahGood morning, folks10:49
jallah-koleahHow are you all doing10:49
thomasboimah!list10:49
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thomasboimahGood morning jallah-koleah 10:49
thomasboimah!agenda 9c5y10:49
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jallah-koleahthomasvoimah: how are you doing bro10:49
jallah-koleah*boimah10:50
jelknerGood morning jallah-koleah 10:53
jelknerGood to see you here!10:53
jallah-koleahjelkner: It's good to see you too10:54
jelknerI've been sick for the past two days, so my productivity has been small small, but i did get some JSE notes done and stayed on top of emails. Today i'm feeling better, so i'll be working on both the web programming book and solidarity economy entrepreneurship book, as well as talking with jetro members about their development plans. No blockers.11:00
jelknerACTION done11:00
thomasboimahWe are on our sprint here, so last week we were working on the blog for Jelkner and Svaye, the customer. Today I will be here working with the dev team. No blockers.11:00
jallah-koleahHello, ZOnny11:00
thomasboimahACTION done11:00
dcammueI have been studying JavaScript with jelkner while we on our spring season.11:00
dcammueno block11:00
dcammue*sprint11:01
dcammue*blocker11:01
dcammueACTION done11:01
zOnnyGood morning team! This past week I've been putting my focus on LibreOrganize and working through its updates. I've been digging into the project, making steady progress. Looking forward to sharing more updates as things continue to develop. No Blockers.11:01
zOnnyACTION done11:01
jelknerjallah-koleah: we want to orient you to our stand up meeting format11:01
jelknerwhen i leave, we will resume having meetings 5 days at week at 11:00 UTC: monday, wednesday, friday, saturday and sunday11:02
jelknerthe meeting during the week especially need to be short and productive11:02
zOnnyjelkner: I hope you are feeling better11:02
jallah-koleahjelkner: okay11:02
jelknerbecause i'll be in school, and i only have a few minutes until my students come11:02
jelknerso, watch how we do it, jallah-koleah, until you get the idea11:03
jelknerit'11:03
jelknerit's called a "stand up meeting" because in agile practice it is down standing up11:03
jelknerno one is allow to sit down, because when you sit down you get too comfortable and the meeting takes a long time11:04
jelknerwe will be online11:04
jelknerso we can be sitting11:04
jelknerbut since we are in irc11:04
jelknerwe can all go at once11:04
zOnnylol :)11:04
jelknerthomasboimah and i play a game, trying to hit enter at exactly 11:0011:04
jelknerwatch us and you'll notice we are usually pretty good at that ;-)11:05
jallah-koleahI was ask to udate the link on the jetro web dev page, enabling all links to work properly, I'm creating other account to link it to the web page su as: LinkedIn, Tiktok, Twitter, Github. I'll be done soon as we are experience the spring season11:05
jallah-koleahno blocker11:05
jelknernice jallah-koleah, you learn quickly!11:05
jelknerok, zOnny, i have been pretty blown away by the progress the dev team made this week!11:06
jelknerdid you see what they did?11:06
zOnnyjelkner: about to see it11:06
zOnnyjelkner:  I saw the branch11:06
jelknerlet me summarize zOnny 11:06
jelknerso we can move on11:06
jelkneryou can look later11:06
jelkneri need you to do that11:07
jelknerand give feedback11:07
jelknerbut let me just say this11:07
jelknerwe had two customer meetings on the blog with svaye and jelkner as customers11:07
jelkner(mostly jelkner)11:07
dcammueGood morning zOnny, and jallah-koleah 11:07
jelknerwe filed 3 big user stories:11:07
jelkner1. Change from reST to Markdown11:08
jelkner2. Add comments (svaye requested that)11:08
jelkner3. Add an insert image button11:08
jallah-koleahthanks, jelkner11:08
zOnnyjelkner: I see11:08
jelknerthe dev team knocked all three our *fast*!11:08
jelkneri need to be honest11:08
zOnnyjelkner: I'm running it 11:09
jelkneri haven't felt this good working with a dev team since the days of stefan and adrian!11:09
jelknerthomasboimah *DELIVERS*!11:09
dcammueACTION goes attend to his JS lesson11:09
zOnnyjelkner: Good to know that11:09
jelknermy blog was updated, working perfectly with the new features, and leaving the customer with a huge smile on his face saying "WOW!"11:10
jelknerthey are ready to go11:10
jelknerzOnny, you and i need to talk about how to start finding customers11:10
jelknerASAP11:10
jelknerok, that's the update11:10
jelknerzOnny: please look over the commit history so i can talk to you about it tomorrow11:11
zOnnyjelkner: great11:11
jelknerok i added a meeting11:11
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thomasboimah!start 9c5y11:12
WebsterssMeeting '9C5Y - Jetro Web Mid Sprint Meeting' is now active!11:12
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dcammueGood morning folks, 11:12
thomasboimahGood morning dcammue 11:12
jelknergood morning dcammue!11:13
zOnnyjelkner: +111:13
jallah-koleahGood morning, dcammue11:13
dcammuewelcome to our all important meeting for every sunday and saturday11:13
dcammuewe have our agenda 11:13
dcammue#111:13
dcammuejetro website Mid Sprint 11:14
dcammuejetro website stories11:15
jelknerthat's mine11:15
dcammuejelkner, can talk more on this11:15
dcammuejelkner, shoot11:15
jelknerHere are my two User Stories for the early part of week two of our sprint11:15
jelkner1. As an outreach and marketing person for Jetro / NOVA Web, I want to a URL I can link to when I refer to one of the Jetro members on this page: https://jetrowebdevelopment.org/about/11:17
jelknerthis has already been implemented for NOVA Web, so it shouldn't take long11:17
jelknerperhaps it should be assigned to one of the newer devs11:17
jelknerlike jallah-koleah ;-)11:17
jelknerso they can learn to hack on their own website11:17
jelkner2. As a marketer for Jetro Web looking for customers, I want to be able to point to the team page and brag about the industry certifications that the team members have earned11:19
jelknerso i want links to the certficates for PCEP, JSE, WDE, etc to be on the page for each member that were created in part 1 of this item11:19
jelknerACTION done11:19
dcammueThanks jelkner for your taught on the jetro site, and i will ask my team to hack on ti11:20
dcammue*it11:20
dcammuethomasboimah, can you guide jallah-koleah to do this?11:21
thomasboimahThat is a great user stories jelkner. The dev team will get on that ASAP.11:21
thomasboimahsure dcammue 11:21
dcammuethanks11:21
zOnnyNicely done dcammue 11:22
dcammuethis was with the site at first, where every members has their important information on the site11:22
dcammuehow long will it take thomasboimah 11:22
dcammuea day or two?11:23
zOnnyLooking this initiative about task that Jetro can handle and assign collaborators :)11:23
dcammueokay, while we wait on thomasboimah to let us know how long it takes the task done, we move on11:25
thomasboimahlet say two dcammue 11:25
dcammueagenda #211:25
dcammue!agenda11:25
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dcammueplan for the creating a design team 11:26
dcammueby jelkner 11:26
dcammuejelkner, shoot11:26
jelknerok, this isn't a user story11:26
jelknerit's a request to set a new sprint goal for week 2 of our sprint11:26
jelknerAs we well know, both Jetro and NOVA have a "weak link" in our skill set11:27
jelknerwe lack a design team11:27
dcammuesure11:27
jelknerDereck was brought on board for that purpose11:27
jelknerand he has been coming to the sprint each day11:27
zOnnyhttps://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/libreorganize-customization/libreorganize-themes/-/work_items/1511:28
jelknerlearning html and css11:28
jelknerbut this week, we should have a "design team meeting" where we talk about medium range goals11:29
jelknerincluding:11:29
jelkner1. Who could work with Derek on the design team so he isn't alone?11:29
jelkner2. What online resources are available for the equivalent of these two courses:11:30
jelknerhttps://courses.vccs.edu/courses/ART116-DesignfortheWebI11:30
mulbahGood morning to all11:30
jelknerhttps://courses.vccs.edu/courses/ART117-DesignfortheWebII11:31
thomasboimahgood morning mulbah 11:31
jelknermulbah: we love to see you11:31
jelknerbut *PLEASE* try to be here at 11:00!11:31
jelknerso we can get the meeting done right11:31
mulbahOkay11:31
jelkneri'll work with the team this week to plan11:32
mulbahso how are you doing now Jeff11:32
jelknerbut we need to reach out to Derek first11:32
dcammueWow! this old man brings idea from heaven to light the way of young web developers of Jetro and Nova Web :-)11:32
jelknerok, that's all i have11:33
jelknerACTION done11:33
dcammueokay great hearing that proposal or request from jelkner 11:33
jelknerwhat do y'all think?11:33
dcammuethanks jelkner for bringing this to our focus11:33
jelknernp, dcammue 11:34
jelkneras the marketing person, i can't help it11:34
jelkneryou want me to find you work11:34
dcammuewe need to get Derick to do what he came for ;-)11:34
jelknerso i am always thinking about how to sell Jetro11:34
zOnny+111:34
jelknerand know what i need to do that11:34
dcammueit could be a grate help for both sister coops11:34
jelkner+111:34
jelknerthey both need it11:35
dcammueso we can get Derick noted if he comes today or Monday11:35
dcammueto get start with who every interested in joining him on this journey11:36
dcammueanyone has something to say?11:36
jelknerbtw, everyone, since this is your first sprint11:37
jelknerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4pCbnb5xN411:37
jelkneri didn't watch it yet11:37
jelknerbut it's short11:37
jelknerit's a new vocab word for everyone but zOnny and jelkner 11:37
jelknertake a few minutes to think about it11:37
jelknersince we are doing it11:37
jelkneryou'll remember after this week what it is11:38
zOnnyjelkner: quick question on this matter with Dereck. Are you looking something that he can ear a certification?11:39
jelknersomeday we will be attending DjangoCON11:39
jelknerhttps://2026.djangocon.us/sprints/11:39
zOnnyjelkner: **earn11:39
jelknerhttps://2026.djangocon.eu/sprints/11:39
zOnnyjelkner: no way, CHICAGO!!11:40
jelknerlol11:40
jelknersomewhere11:40
jelknerwe need revenue 1st11:40
jelknerzOnny: regarding a cert, that would be nice if there is a good one11:40
jelknerbecause it can help the self-learner stay focused11:40
zOnnyjelkner: I was just thinking on the best resources he can rely on11:41
jelknerand have a measurable result11:41
jelknerme too zOnny 11:41
jelknerif you have any good suggestions, send them to me11:41
zOnnyjelkner: Since  UoPeople rely heavily in CodeCademy for some courses 11:41
jelknergood to know11:41
zOnnyjelkner: yup but it is free at limited courses11:42
jelknerhttps://www.codecademy.com/learn/intro-to-ui-ux11:42
jelkneri'll do some research today11:42
zOnnyjelkner: it doesn't offer validated certs but it offer great path to learn in the best way possible 11:42
jelknerand report back to you tomorrow zOnny 11:43
zOnnyjelkner: sure.11:43
jelkneranything else for me before i go?11:43
zOnnyjelkner: not from me 11:43
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zOnnyjelkner: since our weekend meetings are becoming focus on the Jetro team build up11:44
jelkneryes?11:46
zOnnywho?11:46
jelkneroh, i get it now11:46
jelkneryou are saying, "not from me since our meetings are about jetro web team build up"11:46
jelknerbut that gives me another issue then, zOnny 11:47
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jelknerthat relates just to you! ;-)11:47
zOnnyjelkner: go for it11:47
jelknerin my view, both co-ops need to focus on supporting Jetro11:47
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jelknersince Jetro is where we can begin generating a regular revenue stream the quickest11:48
jelknerand we very badly need to do that11:48
jelknerif you are down for it, zOnny 11:48
jelknerit could really be you and me that focus on that11:48
jelknerfor two reasons:11:48
jelkner1. We are the ones who are available on weekends to meet with Jetro11:49
jelkner2. We will need one or two (two would be better) NOVA folks to work often as the customer facing member of the project team11:49
jelknermake sense zOnny?11:50
zOnnyjelkner: It does11:50
zOnnyjelkner: we have already gone this path at some point11:50
jelkneralso, with your experience with web projects like MLLC and JCgroup11:50
jelkneryou are in the best position to do that11:50
jelknersince those are the kinds of gigs we will go after at first11:51
zOnnyjelkner: Indeed11:51
jelknerzOnny: when we started the sprint, we did here what we did at your NOVA retreat11:51
jelknereach member said what they wanted / needed to earn11:51
jelkneri think setting a SMART goal here would be really helpful11:52
jelknerover the next 6 to 8 months11:52
zOnnyjelkner: good. that help us get clear at what income goals we are looking at11:52
jelknerwe should set a goal of generating at least $1500 per month of revenue for Jetro11:52
jelknerit is crucial to reach a goal like this11:53
jelknersince if we don't, keeping the team together over time will become ever more challenging11:53
zOnnyhttps://biz.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Management/Project_Management%3A_Navigating_the_Complexity_with_a_Systematic_Approach_(Oguz)/02%3A_Strategy_Objectives_and_Project_Selection/2.03%3A_SMART_Objectives11:53
jelknerif we do, keeping (and growing) the team will be easy11:53
jelkner+111:54
jelknerso this is a make or break period11:54
jelknerzOnny: i'm a bit nervous about it11:54
jelkneri'm feeling really good that i helped guide us to the point where we are now11:54
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jelknerbut i'm a teacher11:55
jelknerthat's the part i know how to do11:55
jelknerguide learning teams i mean11:55
jelknercapacity building11:55
jelknermarketing will be something i've done for awhile now11:55
jelknerbut i don't feel very confident11:55
jelknerso i'm going to need to push myself out of my comfort zone11:56
jelknerand learn how to do it!11:56
jelknermy plan is to work my network11:56
zOnnyjelkner: you are already doing it by being there11:56
jelknerit was *so* important for me to be here11:56
jelknerbut this is still all about capacity building, not marketing11:57
jelknercoming here has me convinced, the team is ready11:57
dcammueACTION goes out for 10minutes11:57
zOnnyjelkner:+111:57
jelknernow the marketing starts11:57
jelknerthe program i'm enrolled in at CUNY I believe will hep11:57
jelknerhelp11:57
zOnnyjelkner: I se11:58
jelknerThe first meeting i attended convinced me that was a good idea11:58
jelknerit is filled with experienced worker co-op / labor / solidarity economy folks11:58
jelknerso i'll be actively asking them for help11:59
zOnnyjelkner: I think that is just what you have been looking for11:59
jelkner+111:59
jelkneri was so impressed with the first meeting11:59
jelknercan't wait for class to start11:59
jelkneranyway11:59
jelkneri'll be actively looking for folks in the movement who need data management through the web services12:00
zOnnyjelkner: leaving jetro with capacity ready for getting work done is a good step12:00
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jelknerit was a crucial step12:00
jelknerwithout that, we have no product12:00
jelknernow we do12:00
jelkneranyway zOnny 12:01
jelknerDerek just arrived12:01
jelknerso i should log off to meet with him12:01
zOnnyjelkner: sure12:01
zOnnyjelkner: we can talk more about it once you are here12:01
jelkner+1 zOnny 12:02
zOnnyjelkner: I'm sure we will need to catch up on all of this12:02
zOnnyjelkner: we will probably be there for breackfast and lunch :D12:02
jelkneri'm thinking about talking with you a lot about this at that Indian restaurant near your house ;-)12:02
zOnnyjelkner: for sure12:02
jelknerok, let's talk tomorrow12:03
zOnnyjelkner: for now let's keep the focus on how to get everyone involve while you are there12:03
jelkner+112:03
jelknerthat's what i'm doing12:03
jelknerzOnny: you can help12:03
jelknerwhat's next for thomasboimah?12:03
zOnnyjelkner: glad that there are new members willing to bring time and skills 12:03
jelkneri'm concerned about the slow pace of the AMs project12:03
jelkneri was so hoping that project would be a big help to finding our path forward12:04
zOnnyjelkner: me too 12:04
jelknerin my fantasy world, it would go like this:12:04
zOnnyjelkner: I'm a little bit concern about it too12:05
jelkner1. We take on a challenging project at a low cost12:05
jelkner2. We over deliver12:05
zOnnyjelkner: I'm so badly looking for the first meeting and see what they think about it12:05
jelkner3. We go back and say "See what we can do?"12:05
jelknerwhat else can we do for you?12:05
jelknerwho else do you know that could use our help?12:05
jelknerwhen is that meeting zOnny?12:06
jelkneri've been staying out of it12:06
jelknerbut let me know if i can be helpful in getting things unstuck12:06
zOnnyjelkner: I think tony will reply on it12:07
jelkneryes, but let's not leave tony hanging12:07
zOnnythis is from Ben "When do you think would be a good time for us to check in? Or do you want to let us know when you think there's a good point for us to have a meeting? " 12:07
jelknerso we are blocking on us!12:07
jelknernot so good :-(12:07
jelkneri'm not in the loop on these communications12:08
zOnnyjelkner: something like that 12:08
jelkneri want to stay out of the way if i'm not needed12:08
zOnnyjelkner: that makes sense, I though you were in this at least cc'd12:08
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jelkneri don't think i got that email12:08
zOnnyjelkner: since the conversation is between tony and Ben, I also want to be out of this conversation to avoid confusion12:09
zOnnyjelkner: Like I said in our last Novawebdev meeting 12:10
zOnnyjelkner: I'm looking t meet with them and see what changes we can work on12:10
jallah-koleahsent12:12
jelknerzOnny: let's try to resolve this at our tuesday meeting at the lastest12:12
jelknerin the mean time12:12
jelkneri'm out of user stories for thomasboimah 12:12
jelknerwhat do you have for him?12:12
zOnnyjelkner: thanks12:13
zOnnyjelkner: for thomasboimah I'm looking at the work he has done12:13
jelknercool12:14
jelknerthat's an idea12:14
zOnnythomasboimah: I see you have the work done using the Django 4.112:14
jelknercan you two do a code revue together?12:14
jelkneri'll leave you to that12:14
thomasboimahyes12:15
jelknercool, bye for now12:15
jelkneruntil tomorrow...12:15
jelknerACTION signs off12:15
zOnnythomasboimah: Will you be able to update it to 5.2?12:15
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thomasboimahsure I do that12:15
thomasboimah*can12:15
zOnnythomasboimah: that would be a great step12:16
thomasboimahsure, since we want to get our packages up-to-date12:16
zOnnythomasboimah: yup12:17
zOnnythomasboimah: this is an important step for you to help maintain the blog12:18
zOnnythomasboimah: I also have updated the LibreOrganize to Django 612:18
zOnnythomasboimah: which I'm not sure about keepin on using django6 or the django5.212:19
zOnnythomasboimah: I haven't push it yet but you will eventually see it12:19
thomasboimahokay12:19
zOnnythomasboimah: one thing to know which django you want to update into is looking on what has changed12:19
zOnnythomasboimah: I did the django6 bc I didn't see big changes going from the django5.212:20
zOnnyI was why not using the django6 since the django6.2 LTS release is the next year12:21
zOnnythomasboimah: it is very important for you to know what most developers rely more into the LTS release12:21
thomasboimahsure12:23
zOnnythomasboimah: that is all from me for now12:27
thomasboimahOkay, Please let me know if their is anything i can help with, for the AMS project12:27
zOnnythomasboimah: from my perspective LTS is the long boring safe choice for you dependencies packages running for at least 2 years12:29
zOnnythomasboimah: but if you are looking into the latest features of django and 8 months updates your choice is non-LTS12:30
zOnnythomasboimah: I will let you know12:31
thomasboimahOkay12:32
zOnnythomasboimah: also will you be able to help with jallah-koleah 12:32
thomasboimahYes12:32
zOnnythomasboimah: I was hoping mulbah and gabriel will help me with it12:32
zOnnythomasboimah: but they don't seem to be here12:32
thomasboimahI and jallah-koleah already starting working together12:33
zOnnythomasboimah: great, thanks 12:34
zOnnythomasboimah: I need to go to renew my Driver License and it will take me 1hr or more but I will let you when I am back12:35
thomasboimahOkay12:35
zOnnythomasboimah: sorry but I only can do it today due that I leave late during the week from my other jo12:35
zOnny**job12:35
zOnnyACTION steps away for going to the DMV12:36
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zOnnyACTION is back16:30
zOnnythomasboimah: are you here16:30
zOnnythomasboimah: let's catch up tomorrow about the blog16:32
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