| jelkner | Good morning scooper | 11:40 |
|---|---|---|
| scooper | Good morning jelkner | 11:40 |
| jelkner | Did you see my email? | 11:40 |
| scooper | I spoken with Mr. Zawolo yes | 11:41 |
| scooper | yes | 11:41 |
| jelkner | great! | 11:41 |
| jelkner | I didn't | 11:41 |
| scooper | https://git.mcssliberia.org/webcoop/PlanningDocs/src/branch/scooper/SummerSprint2024/Bankdetail.md | 11:41 |
| scooper | He said was calling you | 11:41 |
| scooper | He said he was calling you | 11:41 |
| jelkner | My phone doesn't ring | 11:42 |
| scooper | although while taking yesterday he had a car break down | 11:42 |
| jelkner | We have a communcations protol issue ;-) | 11:42 |
| jelkner | I want asynchronous communication first | 11:42 |
| jelkner | Since I need to focus | 11:42 |
| jelkner | I can't be interrupted by my phone | 11:42 |
| jelkner | My phone works for me, I don't work for it! | 11:42 |
| scooper | LOL | 11:42 |
| jelkner | So since Isaac won't email or text | 11:43 |
| jelkner | We can't communicate easily | 11:43 |
| jelkner | This is great, scooper | 11:43 |
| jelkner | let me see if i can get to the bank again this afternoon | 11:43 |
| scooper | Did you see that repository link? | 11:43 |
| jelkner | yes, that's what i'm talking about | 11:43 |
| jelkner | it has everything i need | 11:43 |
| scooper | Mr. Saydee did that again for us | 11:44 |
| jelkner | I look forward to meeting him | 11:44 |
| scooper | Sure | 11:44 |
| jelkner | ok, so assuming we can get the $2500 transferred into your account | 11:44 |
| jelkner | are you telling me you won't be able to get anything out? | 11:44 |
| scooper | No! that is not my account | 11:45 |
| scooper | but Jetro Web Account | 11:45 |
| jelkner | By "your" I mean (as we say in Virginia) y'all | 11:45 |
| jelkner | y'all's account ;-) | 11:45 |
| jelkner | Jetro Web's | 11:45 |
| jelkner | that's what i mean | 11:45 |
| scooper | until the person who Mr. Zawolo recommended bring Jetro Web business registration receipt | 11:46 |
| jelkner | so | 11:46 |
| jelkner | well, what do we do then? | 11:46 |
| scooper | according to Mr. Saydee | 11:46 |
| scooper | I m hoping of getting the receipt this coming Friday | 11:46 |
| scooper | according to the guy from the Liberia Business registration office | 11:46 |
| jelkner | so it is ok to transfer the funds? | 11:46 |
| jelkner | now, i mean | 11:47 |
| jelkner | or should i wait? | 11:47 |
| scooper | jelkner, | 11:47 |
| scooper | let few member of the team turn up here | 11:47 |
| jelkner | perfect | 11:47 |
| scooper | them we all can make that decision together | 11:47 |
| jelkner | Love it! | 11:47 |
| jelkner | will do | 11:47 |
| scooper | jelkner, | 11:48 |
| scooper | it's possible you meet with Mr. Zawolo before coming??? | 11:48 |
| scooper | jelkner, | 11:49 |
| scooper | last update | 11:49 |
| scooper | I was update to get basis information from the pastor yesterday. according to his family went out off Monrovia | 11:50 |
| jelkner | I hope so scooper | 11:50 |
| scooper | I was unable to get basic update from the pastor yesterday. according to his family he went out off Monrovia | 11:51 |
| jelkner | Kevin wants him to come to our meeting with Commy on 7/27 | 11:51 |
| jelkner | But he hasn't responded to me | 11:51 |
| jelkner | And he didn't show for our SJC board meeting | 11:51 |
| jelkner | so i don't know what to expect from him | 11:51 |
| scooper | We talk but all he said to me on the phone is that he is really busy | 11:51 |
| jelkner | Too busy for us, I guess :-( | 11:52 |
| scooper | But promise to return your calls | 11:52 |
| scooper | I done think so jelkner | 11:52 |
| jelkner | I'll try him again later today scooper | 11:52 |
| scooper | because I even informed about the fellow he recommend | 11:52 |
| jelkner | Did you talk to him about picking me up at the airport? | 11:53 |
| scooper | Because I even informed him about the fellow he recommend | 11:53 |
| scooper | No, not yet | 11:53 |
| scooper | But we talk that you will be logging at my place | 11:53 |
| scooper | and he say that is wonderful | 11:53 |
| jelkner | so hopefully he will help me get to your place :-) | 11:54 |
| jelkner | from the airport, i mean | 11:54 |
| scooper | I will be at the airport on Aug 2 | 11:54 |
| scooper | to bring home myself my dear friend | 11:55 |
| jelkner | thanks, scooper! | 11:55 |
| scooper | you are welcome jelkner | 11:55 |
| scooper | My wife was asking me what will you like to eat on your first day at our home??? | 11:56 |
| jelkner | hmmm... | 11:56 |
| scooper | But I told her I will email asking you about your favorite America or Liberia dash | 11:56 |
| scooper | dish | 11:57 |
| jelkner | i think the best way to make things easy for her | 11:57 |
| jelkner | is to say that i prefer to eat vegitarian food that is not too spicy | 11:57 |
| jelkner | i am old | 11:57 |
| jelkner | and i had my gallbladder removed | 11:57 |
| jelkner | right when i got back from liberia last time, actually | 11:57 |
| jelkner | so if i eat too much spice food | 11:58 |
| jelkner | while i love it | 11:58 |
| jelkner | it does not love me back! | 11:58 |
| jelkner | i suffer | 11:58 |
| jelkner | i can't sleep | 11:58 |
| jelkner | i wake up in the middle of the night and vomit sometimes | 11:58 |
| scooper | Please email me your food menu for breadfast, lunch and dinner | 11:58 |
| jelkner | i love rice and beans (not too spicy) | 11:59 |
| scooper | hmmm | 11:59 |
| jelkner | pasta | 11:59 |
| scooper | hahahaha | 11:59 |
| jelkner | salads | 11:59 |
| jelkner | i don't know | 11:59 |
| jelkner | what my options are | 11:59 |
| jelkner | if i had choices, i could pick | 11:59 |
| scooper | in liberia we usually say that rice and bean are building food | 11:59 |
| scooper | *body building food | 11:59 |
| jelkner | otherwise, we could just stop by one of those Lebanese owned grocery stores i visited last time | 12:00 |
| jelkner | and i could get cans of soup, etc. from there | 12:00 |
| jelkner | Good morning dcammue! | 12:00 |
| jelkner | right on time | 12:00 |
| jelkner | thank you for your initiative | 12:01 |
| dcammue | Good morning jelkner and scooper | 12:01 |
| jelkner | time to start the meeting | 12:01 |
| jelkner | let's roll | 12:01 |
| scooper | good morning dcammue and think for giving me that timely reminder about jelkner email | 12:01 |
| scooper | *thank | 12:01 |
| jelkner | dcammue, scooper with the link scooper gave me, i have all i need i think to do the wire transfer | 12:02 |
| jelkner | should i do it? | 12:02 |
| dcammue | we saw your message about the transfer | 12:02 |
| dcammue | one question first | 12:02 |
| dcammue | jelkner, | 12:02 |
| jelkner | dcammue, | 12:02 |
| dcammue | I want to know if that money is | 12:03 |
| dcammue | for the logoistic | 12:03 |
| jelkner | yes | 12:03 |
| jelkner | scooper, sent me a budget | 12:03 |
| jelkner | i am responding to that | 12:03 |
| dcammue | but we don't have the certificate for the business registry yet | 12:04 |
| dcammue | hoow will we get it out | 12:04 |
| jelkner | so what do you want me to do? | 12:04 |
| jelkner | i don't know | 12:04 |
| jelkner | that's why i'm asking | 12:05 |
| jelkner | you tell me what to do | 12:05 |
| dcammue | i think you should bring the cash with you | 12:05 |
| dcammue | is not better? | 12:05 |
| jelkner | so we won't have a generator, fuel, internet or other supplies when i arrive? | 12:05 |
| jelkner | i don't need air conditioning | 12:05 |
| jelkner | but i don't want to be anywhere without electricity | 12:06 |
| dcammue | because if you send it to the bank account | 12:06 |
| jelkner | so i can have a fan | 12:06 |
| jelkner | i do not want to get eaten alive by mosquitos while i try to sleep | 12:06 |
| jelkner | so at least a fan i need | 12:06 |
| scooper | LOL | 12:06 |
| scooper | Don't my air condition is work | 12:07 |
| dcammue | it can't be withdrew till the certificate presented to the bank | 12:07 |
| scooper | *working | 12:07 |
| jelkner | i am depending on you to tell me what to do | 12:07 |
| jelkner | i can make the wire transfer | 12:07 |
| jelkner | or not | 12:07 |
| jelkner | you decide | 12:07 |
| jelkner | just tell me | 12:07 |
| scooper | jelkner, | 12:08 |
| jelkner | scooper, | 12:08 |
| scooper | bring the money along | 12:08 |
| scooper | when coming to liberia | 12:08 |
| jelkner | how about this, scooper | 12:08 |
| jelkner | i make a smaller wire transfer | 12:08 |
| jelkner | $1000.00 say | 12:08 |
| jelkner | so that we know the process works | 12:08 |
| scooper | though the guy who Mr. Zawolo recommend giving me the assure that this friday we will have our document | 12:08 |
| jelkner | and bring the rest with me when i come | 12:08 |
| scooper | but I recommend you bring it along with you | 12:08 |
| jelkner | what about that? | 12:09 |
| jelkner | we can "hedge our bets" as the expression goes | 12:09 |
| scooper | when the document is avaialable in our handle we will know what to do next | 12:09 |
| jelkner | i'll tell you what | 12:09 |
| dcammue | yes, I think that will be better to send the $1000 to know it the account is really active | 12:10 |
| jelkner | that's my thought, dcammue | 12:10 |
| scooper | no that is not a good idea | 12:10 |
| jelkner | ok, scooper | 12:10 |
| jelkner | tell me why | 12:10 |
| scooper | it will cost more tariff | 12:10 |
| scooper | which is 50.USD On each send | 12:10 |
| scooper | The account is active dcammue | 12:11 |
| jelkner | scooper, once i return, that will be the only way we can do this | 12:11 |
| jelkner | so i agree with dcammue that it is worth this expense so we know our process works | 12:11 |
| scooper | the only hold on here is for Jetro Web to provide the business registration receipt before they can withdraw from the account | 12:11 |
| dcammue | have you make a deposit to the bank account scooper since | 12:11 |
| jelkner | listen to me, my friends, we have a lot to do! | 12:11 |
| jelkner | and some of it will be an adjustment for the Jetro Web members | 12:11 |
| dcammue | you don't know if that will work perfectly for us | 12:12 |
| jelkner | for example, you all need to decide who wants to earn what, and what you are ready to do for it | 12:12 |
| jelkner | no more stipends, remember | 12:12 |
| jelkner | ? | 12:12 |
| jelkner | billable work | 12:12 |
| jelkner | you need to send SJC invoices | 12:12 |
| jelkner | which it will pay | 12:12 |
| jelkner | that's how businesses are run | 12:13 |
| jelkner | and we need to learn how to do this | 12:13 |
| jelkner | i've been thinking about this a lot | 12:13 |
| jelkner | until now, we have operated within the "informal economy" | 12:13 |
| jelkner | under the table, so to speak | 12:14 |
| jelkner | many folks who have very little resources all around the world need to do that | 12:14 |
| jelkner | since the government regulations, designed by rich people to serve their own needs | 12:14 |
| jelkner | don't work for us working stiffs | 12:15 |
| tboimah | Good morning jelkner scooper and dcammue | 12:15 |
| dcammue | good morning tboimah | 12:15 |
| scooper | morning tboimah | 12:15 |
| jelkner | but now we are trying to break into the formal sector | 12:15 |
| jelkner | we need to, since we need to raise funds through grants and donations, as well as legitimate business | 12:15 |
| jelkner | so we need to learn to play by the rich people's rules | 12:16 |
| jelkner | to study how they do things | 12:16 |
| jelkner | and see if we can make it work for us | 12:16 |
| jelkner | NOVA Web is in that same process | 12:16 |
| jelkner | i am hoping the two coops can work very closely together to make this happen | 12:17 |
| jelkner | we will need the team to step up | 12:17 |
| jelkner | i need to be able to ask, for example, jetro's sys admin team to learn how to set up business tracker | 12:17 |
| jelkner | that our own (NOVA Web's, I mean) project that we use to track our hours and bill our clients | 12:18 |
| jelkner | so we will need to do a lot of thinking about this, and a lot of learning | 12:18 |
| jelkner | i understand your economic situation | 12:18 |
| jelkner | and that the members need to earn some income | 12:19 |
| jelkner | but now, they will have to *do something* concrete for that income | 12:19 |
| jelkner | that we can account for as billable | 12:19 |
| jelkner | do you understand what i'm saying? | 12:19 |
| jelkner | questions? | 12:19 |
| jelkner | ACTION stops now to see what folks think | 12:19 |
| tboimah | if i may ask jelkner | 12:19 |
| jelkner | ask away, tboimah, that's what i just asked you to do! | 12:20 |
| tboimah | the transfer from the sjc or you | 12:20 |
| jelkner | transfer is from sjc | 12:20 |
| jelkner | from now on, that's how it will work | 12:20 |
| jelkner | sjc account to jetro account | 12:20 |
| tboimah | so we will not receive the $4000 from sjc? | 12:21 |
| jelkner | i don't know what you mean. | 12:21 |
| jelkner | who is "we"? | 12:21 |
| tboimah | you said that sjc has $4000 for us | 12:22 |
| jelkner | i said that sjc has $4000 which the board agreed can be used for this project | 12:22 |
| jelkner | i'm not sure what you mean by "for us" | 12:22 |
| jelkner | what i mean by "for the project" is that invoices and documentation (like the budget scooper made) | 12:23 |
| tboimah | when jetroweb has a bank account sjc will transfer $ 4000 to the account is what you said | 12:23 |
| jelkner | can me submitted, and paid by SJC | 12:23 |
| jelkner | i don't think i said that | 12:23 |
| tboimah | okay | 12:23 |
| jelkner | but if i did, it was a mistake | 12:23 |
| jelkner | so i don't think you are getting what i am trying to say yet | 12:24 |
| jelkner | and you need to, since it will prevent us from moving forward if you don't | 12:24 |
| jelkner | jetro web needs to: | 12:24 |
| jelkner | 1. start functioning as a business | 12:24 |
| jelkner | 2. communicate with clients (starting with SJC) to identify needs (and goals, which are a kind of need) | 12:25 |
| jelkner | 3. meet those needs | 12:25 |
| jelkner | 4. bill for the time spent doing that | 12:25 |
| jelkner | that's how businesses work | 12:25 |
| jelkner | and i've been saying for about 1/2 a year now that Jetro would need to learn to do this soon | 12:26 |
| jelkner | *NOW* is the time | 12:26 |
| jelkner | i am learning this along with you | 12:26 |
| jelkner | so i'm no expert | 12:26 |
| jelkner | but we will need to learn together | 12:27 |
| jelkner | we will need our business team | 12:27 |
| jelkner | who, btw, are missing again today | 12:27 |
| jelkner | we can't have meetings where the required people don't show | 12:27 |
| jelkner | it just won't work | 12:27 |
| jelkner | simple as that | 12:27 |
| jelkner | so, while it is your decision | 12:27 |
| jelkner | i would propose that dcammue replace one of the other two business managers | 12:28 |
| jelkner | since he shows day after day and week after week | 12:28 |
| jelkner | and sjc (with me as its representative) will need to depend on that to make this work | 12:28 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 12:28 |
| jelkner | ACTION waiting for feedback | 12:29 |
| scooper | ACTION buttress jelkner decision | 12:29 |
| jelkner | it's not my decision to make, scooper | 12:29 |
| dcammue | inline too | 12:29 |
| jelkner | i can suggest | 12:29 |
| tboimah | with jelkner | 12:29 |
| jelkner | but i am not a member of jetro | 12:29 |
| jelkner | you all have to make that decision yourselves | 12:29 |
| jelkner | i'm only suggesting | 12:29 |
| dcammue | we need to get the views of the others | 12:30 |
| scooper | ACTION recommend that dcammue and freena work inline if Shallon is not active | 12:30 |
| scooper | though Freena to is missing but she did communicate about her absence from today meeting | 12:30 |
| scooper | *too | 12:31 |
| scooper | Anyway | 12:31 |
| jelkner | scooper, we are struggling with this same issues at NOVA Web | 12:31 |
| scooper | we will have an internal meeting between those two managers in person of | 12:31 |
| jelkner | so we can share our experiences, and learn together | 12:31 |
| scooper | Freena and Shallon about their in effectiveness during the past weeks | 12:32 |
| jelkner | back to my discussion, though | 12:32 |
| jelkner | do you understand what i mean by billable work? | 12:32 |
| jelkner | let's talk about that | 12:32 |
| scooper | +1 | 12:32 |
| jelkner | scooper, can you give me some examples, please? | 12:32 |
| dcammue | yes I do | 12:32 |
| scooper | It's have to do with work the jetro member is able to handle equally | 12:33 |
| jelkner | dcammue, you too. | 12:33 |
| dcammue | okay | 12:33 |
| jelkner | ACTION waits for dcammue | 12:34 |
| dcammue | billable work, for example, if you get a customer that wants a site or other job done | 12:34 |
| jelkner | yes, dcammue | 12:34 |
| dcammue | and you charge that person for some amount | 12:34 |
| jelkner | excellent | 12:34 |
| jelkner | now this is what is called in economics "an exchange" | 12:35 |
| jelkner | we need to think about the concrete kinds of things jetro can charge for | 12:35 |
| jelkner | so, one example might be... | 12:35 |
| jelkner | set up an instance of Business Tracker | 12:36 |
| jelkner | billable for $500, say | 12:36 |
| jelkner | i don't know the amount | 12:36 |
| jelkner | but that's an example | 12:36 |
| jelkner | i picked that because we just did that with NOVA Web | 12:36 |
| jelkner | i wanted an instance of Decidim | 12:37 |
| jelkner | and hired the dev team to set it up for me | 12:37 |
| jelkner | we now have it | 12:37 |
| jelkner | https://decidim.novawebdevelopment.org/ | 12:37 |
| jelkner | and i paid the invoice for that | 12:37 |
| jelkner | or rather SJC did | 12:37 |
| jelkner | SJC is a non-profit | 12:37 |
| jelkner | it's mission is to promote social justice computing | 12:38 |
| jelkner | the board (Jeff, Isaac, Ved, Vrishin, and Stephen) decides how to do that | 12:38 |
| jelkner | we started with $8000.00 that i donated | 12:38 |
| jelkner | the board agreed to my proposal that 1/2 of this would go to supporting Decidim development in the U.S. | 12:39 |
| jelkner | and the other half would go toward supporting a web tech coop in Liberia | 12:39 |
| jelkner | i will continue to make donations to SJC to support these projects | 12:40 |
| jelkner | but soon, we will be able to ask others to support them as well | 12:40 |
| jelkner | so, i am willing to ask for a Jetro Web Development website that tells the Jetro Web story to supporters | 12:40 |
| jelkner | and to decide with you all on how much can be charged for delivering that | 12:41 |
| jelkner | then, you all decide who does the work | 12:41 |
| jelkner | you do it | 12:41 |
| jelkner | and send SJC the bill | 12:41 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 12:41 |
| scooper | +1 | 12:41 |
| scooper | jelkner, can we cut it a day for today meeting??? | 12:42 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:42 |
| jelkner | ?? | 12:42 |
| tboimah | +1 | 12:42 |
| scooper | I need to do something urgently | 12:42 |
| jelkner | sure | 12:42 |
| jelkner | email me when you want to meet again | 12:42 |
| scooper | ok | 12:42 |
| tboimah | okay | 12:42 |
| scooper | ACTION signing out | 12:42 |
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| dcammue | so we will decide how to do the transfer | 12:43 |
| dcammue | right? | 12:43 |
| jelkner | can you take charge of that? | 12:43 |
| dcammue | okay | 12:43 |
| jelkner | i am ready to make a $1000 transfer today | 12:43 |
| jelkner | but i'll hold off if you tell me to | 12:44 |
| jelkner | i'm visiting family Friday through Sunday | 12:44 |
| dcammue | i will email you later jelkner | 12:44 |
| jelkner | thanks, dcammue! | 12:44 |
| jelkner | you rock | 12:44 |
| dcammue | okayo then | 12:44 |
| jelkner | i'm available tomorrow if you want to meet | 12:44 |
| jelkner | just let me know | 12:44 |
| dcammue | see you next meeting | 12:44 |
| jelkner | then not again until Monday | 12:44 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off | 12:44 |
| tboimah | see you jelkner | 12:45 |
| jelkner | see you tboimah | 12:45 |
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